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    I'm no expert but I see all hell breaking loose VERY soon. This, the Middle East, is the true tinder box..... WW3????? it was never about Ukraine, Ukraine is just a huge bank very good at laundering money.

    I don't want to be all negative about this, but the timing of this and the severity of all the possible outcomes look VERY dark to me, I see no way this can work out peacefully.
    I'm no expert either, for sure. But I do feel myself agreeing with everything you say.

    The only thing I might add, which has already been suggested by many commenters, is that while this was no 'false flag' the Hamas attack may very well have been allowed (and even quietly encouraged) to happen.

    If so, one reason for this might be to divert attention from the rapidly foundering Ukraine fiasco. Another might be to justify Israel finally destroying Gaza, as a number of people who should know better have already been cheering about and seemingly looking forward to. A third, darker still, might be to deliberately start WW3... not in Europe or Asia, but in the Middle East.

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    https://x.com/mazzenilsson/status/17...763365227?s=20

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    🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇵🇸 SecDef announces he has directed the movement of the USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group to the Eastern Mediterranean, a show of force after Hamas attacks on Israel.

    He has also taken steps to augment U.S. Air Force F-35, F-15, F-16, & A-10 squadrons in the regions

    In addition, the US will be rapidly providing the Israel Defense Forces with additional equipment and resources, including munitions. The first security assistance will begin moving today and arriving in the coming days. - Pentagon Correspondent for Politico, Laura Seligman

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    🇷🇺🇮🇱🇵🇸 A Russian hacker group known by the name of Killnet has a message for Israel:

    "Israeli government, you are responsible for this bloodshed. Back in 2022, you supported the terrorist regime in Ukraine. You betrayed Russia. Today, Killnet officially informs you of this! All government systems of Israel will be subject to our attacks!"

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    2014 same year as the Maidan coup…

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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I'm no expert but I see all hell breaking loose VERY soon. This, the Middle East, is the true tinder box..... WW3????? it was never about Ukraine, Ukraine is just a huge bank very good at laundering money.

    I don't want to be all negative about this, but the timing of this and the severity of all the possible outcomes look VERY dark to me, I see no way this can work out peacefully.
    I'm no expert either, for sure. But I do feel myself agreeing with everything you say.

    The only thing I might add, which has already been suggested by many commenters, is that while this was no 'false flag' the Hamas attack may very well have been allowed (and even quietly encouraged) to happen.

    If so, one reason for this might be to divert attention from the rapidly foundering Ukraine fiasco. Another might be to justify Israel finally destroying Gaza, as a number of people who should know better have already been cheering about and seemingly looking forward to. A third, darker still, might be to deliberately start WW3... not in Europe or Asia, but in the Middle East.
    I think the money tree is being chopped down in Ukraine so to speak....
    Also, I don't think Israel will be "allowed" to completely destroy Gaza. I imagine within a week or so the media will be totally against Israel and showing the world nothing but war crimes being committed by Israel. It's pretty much impossible for Israel to bomb any "military target" in Gaza without killing civilians.
    Sadly, your 3rd darker point makes the most sense. There's no quicker way to stir up a hornets nest and bring the world closer to WW3 than to have Israel killing Muslims/Arabs regardless the reason for them to do so....
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Sadly, your 3rd darker point makes the most sense. There's no quicker way to stir up a hornets nest and bring the world closer to WW3 that to have Israel killing Muslims/Arabs regardless the reason for them to do so....
    Alex Jones agrees, also stating (as many others have) that there's no way Mossad didn't know this was coming. He also expresses his certainty that Iran is behind all thishaving become emboldened because they now have nuclear weapons. (Read that again. )

    This Infowars broadcast was 24 hours ago:


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    Netanyahu Tells Gaza Residents To Clear Out, Says IDF "Will Use All Its Strength" To "Destroy" Hamas

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    Update (1835ET): Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned residents of Gaza to "leave now, because we will operate forcefully everywhere."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...K68RC0DqSSN21Q

    Long article from Israeli news with videos showing brutality of attacks which can be accessed at the link above.
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    Many of the Islamic migrants in Europe will take offense when inevitably some European politicans (or other countries leaders) are pro Israel. Or when some segments of the general population side with Israel. I wonder if the migrants will start trouble in what ever country they have immigrated to... which might have been the greater plan along.
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    Netanyahu Tells Gaza Residents To Clear Out, Says IDF "Will Use All Its Strength" To "Destroy" Hamas

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    Update (1835ET): Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned residents of Gaza to "leave now, because we will operate forcefully everywhere."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...K68RC0DqSSN21Q

    Long article from Israeli news with videos showing brutality of attacks which can be accessed at the link above.
    Ukraine was supposed to be a bigger 'Israel', but . . . .

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    So many accounts on Twitter saying that the rapes, kidnappings and murders of civilians done by Hamas were justified.

    Regardless of whether this is a false flag or similar contrivance, someone who can hold the above view is an individual who would better society by their absence. It reeks of the same sort of pro-vaxxers and anti-trumpers who hide their evil beneath a veneer of righteousness.

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    Quote Posted by Eva2 (here)
    Netanyahu Tells Gaza Residents To Clear Out, Says IDF "Will Use All Its Strength" To "Destroy" Hamas

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    BY TYLER DURDEN
    SATURDAY, OCT 07, 2023 - 03:35 PM
    Update (1835ET): Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned residents of Gaza to "leave now, because we will operate forcefully everywhere."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...nted-incursion
    Long article from Israeli news with videos showing brutality of attacks which can be accessed at the link above.
    To my surprise, Zero Hedge is clearly (in my opinion) propagandizing on Israel's behalf. It wasn't in any way a careful, balanced report. I wasn't expecting that.

    Meanwhile. Alex Christoforou, who often plays goofball in his own videos and is very much the second string in The Duran's daily and most excellent presentations with Alexander Mercouris, has a very interesting summary analysis, just posted. The first half of his 40 minute update addresses the events in Israel.

    He suggests a possibility I'd not thought of and which I've not seen elsewhere, that this may have been allowed to happen because it could place a huge wedge between Iran and Saudi Arabia, potentially damaging or stalling BRICS+. Of course, that would be very much to the west's advantage.

    He also points out, I think correctly so far, that this has the potential to unify the west far more than the Ukraine issue has. We've already seen reported on this thread the immediate pro-Israel, warmongering responses from RFK Jr and Donald Trump. Viktor Orban has now echoed the same strong pro-Israel statements. That surprised me, too.


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    Sadly, your 3rd darker point makes the most sense. There's no quicker way to stir up a hornets nest and bring the world closer to WW3 that to have Israel killing Muslims/Arabs regardless the reason for them to do so....
    Alex Jones agrees, also stating (as many others have) that there's no way Mossad didn't know this was coming. He also expresses his certainty that Iran is behind all thishaving become emboldened because they now have nuclear weapons. (Read that again. )
    Nothing good is going to come from all of this, that is for sure. Even if Iran does have these weapons, I don't think they'd use them without the permission and knowing they had the complete backing of Russia and China. (I would hope I'm right about that!!!!)

    What is really concerning me right now is the flood of people over the US southern border these last few years. I've been watching this happen and the majority of these "migrants" have been young adult males. I saw a number just last week that there's been over 2 million since Biden took office. No one really knows the true number, but if just 1% of the 2 million are actually fighters, thats 20,000 fighters. They can do a lot of damage here in a similar attack and it's ludicrous to think that something like that can't happen here.

    The time is now to really pay attention to everything that is going on, at home and abroad.....
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    Quote Posted by Ami (here)
    Many of the Islamic migrants in Europe will take offense when inevitably some European politicans (or other countries leaders) are pro Israel. Or when some segments of the general population side with Israel. I wonder if the migrants will start trouble in what ever country they have immigrated to... which might have been the greater plan along.
    I am absolutely glad you shared this input of yours here. I thought about this last night and was pretty scared.

    The EU supports Israel, yes. As per the usual, completely ignoring the atrocities Israel has commited, the support is strong. But there are so many, SO MANY, muslims in Europe specifically in the heart of Europe - Germany and France - that things are just bound to go awry. The flow of immigrants is also not stopping, as a matter of fact it is increasing. The floods in Libya, the earthquake in Afghanistan and now this. Quite possibly there will be some other event which will bring even more refugees towards Europe.

    The way I personally see the situation: Very soon there will be dramatic clashes in Europe (akin to those we saw recently in France, whatever happened to those btw?) because of this ongoing conflict. These clashes, combined with the "re-emerging" of covid, will force the governments to do the only things they know how to do: Segregate, isolate and completely mishandle any crisis.

    To what end? Complete and final destabilization of an already destabilized Europe. I see unfortunately no other alternative. In short I do believe that a part of the greater plan is to destabilize Europe with the sole exception of Poland possibly, which has become the USA's main satellite there.
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    I know virtually nothing about the history of the politics of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, in spite of the fact that they have been in the news from time to time most of my life. The whole thing seems profoundly complicated to me with nuances and histories that I could not possibly grasp as an outsider. However, I certainly smell a rat somewhere. As others have said, there is no way the Mossad could not have known about this. No way.

    In any case, I came across this map today and thought it was instructive for someone like me who is just learning about the conflict between these two peoples.



    It comes from this website:
    https://www.palestineportal.org/wp-c...97-Present.jpg
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    Quote Posted by ErtheVessel (here)
    I know virtually nothing about the history of the politics of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, in spite of the fact that they have been in the news from time to time most of my life. The whole thing seems profoundly complicated to me with nuances and histories that I could not possibly grasp as an outsider. However, I certainly smell a rat somewhere. As others have said, there is no way the Mossad could not have known about this. No way.

    In any case, I came across this map today and thought it was instructive for someone like me who is just learning about the conflict between these two peoples.



    It comes from this website:
    https://www.palestineportal.org/wp-c...97-Present.jpg
    Many thanks, as always, for your most thoughtful (and honest! ) posts.



    The history is labyrinthine and filled for 75 years with truly terrible things. The ingrained hatred, which is now almost a genetically inherited thing (and maybe it is!), seems impossible to eradicate.

    That hatred is already visible everywhere on social media, even from those with a leadership role who should know better. And as we can see already from the many images of illuminated buildings in the 'west' and the Arab worlds, everyone is now choosing a side, and they're doing it very quickly and clearly too.

    As best I can see right now, only three major entities are advocating a ceasefire and immediate dialog: Russia, China, and the African Union.

    Everyone else wants war. And with that many voices rooting for war, both on the streets and in the many countries' governments, it's going to be very hard to stop this escalating — conceivably with the most devastating consequences.

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    Thanks, Bill.

    The rapid global taking-sides phenomena might possibly be an intended consequence of this terrible conflict.

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    Two quotes worth recording. (There are many many more!)

    https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update
    I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces.
    There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming.
    A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this??
    What happened to the “strongest army in the world”?
    How come border crossings were wide open??
    Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
    https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/statu...94054953553927
    Ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available.
    "If a bird came close we knew."
    "If even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew."
    "How did 400 Hamas pass through today?"

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    So this is a really good roundtable with 3 special forces guys who are looking at this situation. Which leads into what Bill listed above , they are saying the same thing that this was all staged.

    Michael Jaco: Military Update - What’s Going On in Israel? Heading to DEFCON 1?? (Video)

    https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2023/10/michael-jaco-military-update-whats-going-on-in-israel-heading-to-defcon-1-video-3800510.html


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/GjF6TkGFRUs1
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 8th October 2023 at 22:48. Reason: embedded the video

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