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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

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    Sadly, your 3rd darker point makes the most sense. There's no quicker way to stir up a hornets nest and bring the world closer to WW3 that to have Israel killing Muslims/Arabs regardless the reason for them to do so....
    Alex Jones agrees, also stating (as many others have) that there's no way Mossad didn't know this was coming. He also expresses his certainty that Iran is behind all thishaving become emboldened because they now have nuclear weapons. (Read that again. )
    Nothing good is going to come from all of this, that is for sure. Even if Iran does have these weapons, I don't think they'd use them without the permission and knowing they had the complete backing of Russia and China. (I would hope I'm right about that!!!!)

    What is really concerning me right now is the flood of people over the US southern border these last few years. I've been watching this happen and the majority of these "migrants" have been young adult males. I saw a number just last week that there's been over 2 million since Biden took office. No one really knows the true number, but if just 1% of the 2 million are actually fighters, thats 20,000 fighters. They can do a lot of damage here in a similar attack and it's ludicrous to think that something like that can't happen here.

    The time is now to really pay attention to everything that is going on, at home and abroad.....
    I'm not the only one being extremely concerned about this possibility. I've just spent the last hour surfing through X/Twitter and there are numerous threads with many people speaking about this open border issue and possible attacks here inside the US.

    I really hate to sound like downer debbie, but, I personally believe we are highly likely to see some type of attack within the US rather sooner than later. Just like the attack in Israel, this is also looking like it is being allowed to happen....

    Pro-Palestinian and Pro Israeli protests are already being organized to start here in the US and basically across Europe this coming week. I've seen clips of these protest on both sides happening already in New York City. This is already escalating from an Israeli/Hamas issue to a global issue.

    This is all rather sickening in my opinion. I've got a really bad feeling deep in my soul about all of this.
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    BOOM! Turkey Enters Israel-Palestine Fight -- Warns U.S. to STAY OUT
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...-s-to-stay-out

    From Me- If your from the United States and you have never been overseas to travel none of us have any idea what it is to have one country say to another ect ect. Not many here have a perspective that cultures, languages and currency all change within crossing a border. Were so use to here in the states going from Ohio to Kentucky and just seeing a road sign saying your in another state. It is literally a culture shock to see how just a border of a country changes from one to another and they are right next door to each other. As with Turkey making this statement above , all the countries are taking their positions now just like a chess game only this is real real. Playtime is over with and if this keeps escalating many are in for a culture shock in countries like the U.S.

    And yes silent feathers your right on if things let loose here in the states with all the elements crossing the border, it could be very chaotic in 1 hour. We have no idea who have come across and the sleeper cells within our society. Thats what my last post discusses as well with the 3 special force guys.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://x.com/haniefhaider/status/1711058055792631858


    https://x.com/colonelhomsi/status/1711001550070390944


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    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    So this is a really good roundtable with 3 special forces guys who are looking at this situation. Which leads into what Bill listed above , they are saying the same thing that this was all staged.

    Michael Jaco: Military Update - What’s Going On in Israel? Heading to DEFCON 1?? (Video)

    https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2023/10/michael-jaco-military-update-whats-going-on-in-israel-heading-to-defcon-1-video-3800510.html


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/GjF6TkGFRUs1
    Bump. Excellent conversation by some guys who have been there and done that. Heed their words. Please.

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    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/TUZyMatkP4NH


    Former Israeli Defense Force soldier telling it like it is:
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 9th October 2023 at 12:39. Reason: embedded the video

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    Quote Posted by Jeksey (here)

    The way I personally see the situation: Very soon there will be dramatic clashes in Europe (akin to those we saw recently in France, whatever happened to those btw?)

    https://x.com/mazzenilsson/status/1711150528615313408


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    https://x.com/AmirAminiMD/status/1711067842806694286


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    ...

    ... balanced and incisive analysis of the reported events:

    Tragedy and Fantastical Narrative 50:44

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    An expansion on my last livestream concerning developments in the ME.


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    https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1710836487061688669



    https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1710841386671501645



    https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1711095575012167949


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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    Hahaha hilarious title on this thread. This is a war in the same way as an MMA trained fighter with machine guns and machetes against a toddler with a cookie!


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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    Quote Posted by Libico (here)
    Just to share some thoughts as an Israeli:
    • The news is massively under-reporting this internally and playing this off as as failure of our government, which is a bit ridiculous. Israel has one of the most sophisticated human intelligence networks so I don't see how this wasn't picked up on. On telegram (thanks @Syzmon for sharing) you can see hundreds of Gazans crossing the border with next to no military response. This seems reminiscent of 9/11 with the orders to stand down when the military should have been acting with a much faster response time. I have family living in one of the settlement bordering Gaza and happened to see my Aunt there a few days ago who mentioned that she has seen a large amount of activity nearby that when she reported to the military was told not to worry as it was just Hamas 'training'.
    • Videos surfacing that I've seen show tens of soldiers dead and by my rough count 10+ soldiers captured - for Israeli society this is a massive blow to morale.
    • The timing of this shouldn't be lost on us - Israel has been in a crisis for the last 6-9 months facing the biggest internal schism since it's formation with polarization between right-left so it isn't too far fetched that TPTB would invite a traumatic event like this bring everyone back in line; let's deal with our security first and getting our troops home and THEN we'll deal with those silly freedoms and basic rights
    • With the extreme nationalist government in power, this is the perfect foundation for a mass-casualty event hitting Gaza. Jewish extremists have become more vocal and and belligerent lately knowing they are above the law. Once the sabbath is over in Israel I'm expecting there to be a significant retaliatory incident against the Arab residents of the West Bank... the army/police haven't done much to stop them lately and now will even be less so inclined to do so.
    Libico, I think these are extremely honest and correct observations, and from an insider! I wish you safe passage to The Netherlands!

    It has been very much the M.O. of Israel to goad a reaction and then overreact, pushing forward their plan to annihilate Palestinians and steal all of Palestine. "Slow motion genocide." Three steps forward, one step back.

    Israel controls everything going into Palestine, from food and medicine to cement. But somehow, somehow, there is suddenly a Palestinian Air Force of untralight powered gliders? A thousand rockets? Right!

    The CIA and Mossad created alQaeda in Syria, recruited, trained, armed them, gave satellite tactical advice, supplies, and reloaded their ammunition. The zealots and schmucks in alQaeda probably had no clue that they were just stooges. I suspect the same here - Hamas was probably infiltrated and controlled by the Mossad. Now, the 98% of Palestinians that are not part of Hamas will pay, with their lives. This is the biggest excuse for Israel to crush Palestine, ever. If Palestine isn't 100% wiped off the map, then the Israeli mlitary will occupy into all that is left of Palestine, and do what the American military did in Iraq: drag every male out of their house and execute them as "insurgents." I could also see Israel launching nuclear missiles into Iran, blaming Iran for Hamas. The Israeli deep state caused this, I'd bet a lot of shekels!


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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    I see targeting of civilians, which would not be militarily strategic by Hamas. Very strange tactic, very suspicious, Palestinians could not possibly gain anything from this. However, it is excellent strategy for Mossad, to rally Israel and crush Palestine.

    I also see the missile damage on the road must have involved some sort of sophisticated targeting systems, not old USA-made shells repaired and reused or pipe bomb rockets. There is no way on earth that Hamas was able to target all of the cars on that road with such deadly accuracy using homemade and repurposed shells as rockets. No way.

    It looks as if the entire thing was orchestrated by Mossad. Strong similarities to 9/11, where the US Air Force and NORAD let it all happen.

    (I have always been on the Palestinians side, and have watched the Israeli military and Mossad commit horrific acts - from target-practice sniper murders to spraying Palestinian villages with raw sewage to cutting down olive orchards to bulldozing Rachel Corrie trying to protect a Palestinian home. I have never seen the PLO or Hamas waging war on a bunch of civilians - it has usually been a homemade rocket or two shot uncontrollably at Israel - landing wherever. I certainly do not condone massacring civilians and simply cannot believe that what we are seeing is actually orchestrated by Hamas as there is no way they could "win" anything, and they would know that the retaliation will be enormous and devastating. Goodbye Palestine.


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    --7 min--Israel Declares War on Hamas: What Happens to Saudi-Israel Peace Deal? | Vantage with Palki Sharma

    As war clouds gather, has peace in West Asia been put on hold?

    The Saudi Arabia-Israel normalisation deal was closed to being finalised.

    As Israel declares war on Hamas, what happens to the peace deal?

    Was this attack an attempt to derail the deal?

    Palki Sharma tells you.

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    --9 min--404,798 views Oct 9, 2023
    The residents of the besieged enclave of Gaza faced a night of death and destruction as Israeli war planes launched a series of air strikes.

    Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday vowed to reduce Gaza “to rubble” after Hamas’ unprecedented attack.

    Al Jazeera’s Michael Appel has this report.

    Mouin Rabbani is non-resident Fellow at the Center for Conflict and Humanitarian Studies and Co-Editor of Jadaliyaa.
    He joins us from Yerevan, Armenia.

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    Cui bono? Some pundits reckon this tragedy will/may save Netanyahu's controversial political office

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    He was deeply unpopular in polls before this war. His shady and massively unpopular judicial reforms, which he engineered to stop prosecutions against his power base, imo

    Don't forget that the guy was in power during 911 when he said it was "very good". I mean, some of this just doesn't add up... the "security failures" just like 911

    Condolences to Palestinian/Israeli/Human families caught up and suffering in the middle of this

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    If we could just hit pause for one moment and stop the tape. What was happening over 2 days ago, Netanyahu was in the ropes, Biden was on the ropes, his son too. The dollar and economy ready to crash, the economic reset getting ready to take place of the brics and quantum financial system.the federal reserve loosing billions and treasury bonds looking dimmer.

    Now with the tape paused.....

    Bankers make more money in 1 day of war than in 1 year of peace!

    Think about that before we all hit the play button and continue this thread , I am astonished how fast in 2 days how things were to what's happening now.

    Ok let's hit the play button .

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

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    Libico, I think these are extremely honest and correct observations, and from an insider! I wish you safe passage to The Netherlands!

    It has been very much the M.O. of Israel to goad a reaction and then overreact, pushing forward their plan to annihilate Palestinians and steal all of Palestine. "Slow motion genocide." Three steps forward, one step back.

    Israel controls everything going into Palestine, from food and medicine to cement. But somehow, somehow, there is suddenly a Palestinian Air Force of untralight powered gliders? A thousand rockets? Right!

    The CIA and Mossad created alQaeda in Syria, recruited, trained, armed them, gave satellite tactical advice, supplies, and reloaded their ammunition. The zealots and schmucks in alQaeda probably had no clue that they were just stooges. I suspect the same here - Hamas was probably infiltrated and controlled by the Mossad. Now, the 98% of Palestinians that are not part of Hamas will pay, with their lives. This is the biggest excuse for Israel to crush Palestine, ever. If Palestine isn't 100% wiped off the map, then the Israeli mlitary will occupy into all that is left of Palestine, and do what the American military did in Iraq: drag every male out of their house and execute them as "insurgents." I could also see Israel launching nuclear missiles into Iran, blaming Iran for Hamas. The Israeli deep state caused this, I'd bet a lot of shekels!
    Thanks Dennis - Hamas was actually created / allowed to thrive by Israel as a way to challenge Arafat's power but of course as they became more extreme and Israel had a chance to nip this in the bud but they didn't... having a rapid dog on your southern border is always a great thing for right wing politicians, for the paltry cost of a few civilian deaths each year they have a perpetual boogeyman hanging over the populace to keep the cycle of hatred and reliance on government going.

    I too empathize greatly with the Palestinian people and the **** they have to go through every day. It sickens me seeing the amount of suffering and the majority of Israelis continue to live in a simplified existence of we are good and they are bad. They may give lip service saying yeah the situation is complicated, but in the end it's a very simple equation of how they see the world.

    I've seen first hand humiliations and war crimes when I was a solider... at the time I'm ashamed to admit it didn't phase me, but that was part of my indoctrination (and the trauma post-2001 that led me to move to Israel to defend my people from the Islamist enemy), and even though it felt wrong I simply wasn't strong enough to deal with those feelings and go against the herd back then to say something.

    I will say that Hamas fighters truly are barbaric on the same level as ISIS and al-Qaeda - they are 100% a product of their environment and culture that is not allowed to progress to a more advanced state due to trauma and circumstance... how many of them have lost fathers, mothers, siblings and children? I know that if I were Gazan and grew up in a constant state of fear from bombings, seeing a little brother blown up or crushed under rubble, having my father slapped by an Israeli soldier in front me, all the while growing up in abject poverty, 99% chance I would turn out the same way. The viciousness of their actions clearly demonstrate that for many of them their humanity has been broken and have finally been given a chance to lash out at anything that closely represents their oppressors.

    Unfortunately I don't see a way out the current situation without erasing Hamas and giving the Palestinians the ability to govern themselves with leaders that aren''t fanatics... but that will involve even more death to Palestinian civilians as they are so enmeshed in their society and have no qualms about sacrificing half of Gaza for their agenda... and even if Hamas is wiped out, Hamas 2.0 will take their place since all that loss of life will radicalize the next group/generation.

    I truly think the only way we can ever possibly move forward is if Israel and it's citizens recognize the horror that we have inflicted on Palestinians and make great strides to make amends and help them rebuild themselves starting from infrastructure, economy, education, and eventually true independence which involves ceding territories (a tough sell with fundamentalists making up a significant minority of our population). Even if that happens perfectly, it will be a precarious transition and take at least a generation or two for blood to cool down from both sides. But Israel isn't anywhere near ready to do that soul searching - maybe I'm wrong and once the anger has passed over this new war there will be true reflecting (after much death on both sides) but I think the victim/self-defense paradigm is so strong in Israel that it will be very difficult to break it - we need to able to set aside our anger and pain and take responsibility for our part in perpetuating this endless conflict. Trauma can sometimes break these paradigms - time will tell if this will be enough to do this.

    Even Moshe Dayan, an ardent Zionist and one of Israel's founding leaders and military generals lived under no illusions of what we were doing to Palestinians - nowadays we just label everything as anti-semitism but what was said 60 years ago hold just as true today. I've copied an excerpt of a eulogy he gave for a settler that was murdered at the border of Gaza:

    Yesterday with daybreak, Roi was murdered. The quiet of a spring morning blinded him, and he did not see the stalkers of his soul on the furrow. Let us not hurl blame at the murderers. Why should we complain of their hatred for us? Eight years have they sat in the refugee camps of Gaza, and seen, with their own eyes, how we have made a homeland of the soil and the villages where they and their forebears once dwelt.

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine: a New Middle East War

    --13 min-Oct 9, 2023 #israel #israelpalestineconflict #gaza
    Israel is at war with Hamas and more than 1,100 people have been killed on both sides since the war broke out on Saturday after Hamas reign thousands of rockets on Israel in a surprise pre-drawn attack from Gaza. Lately, the Israeli leadership have cautioned the nation for a long difficult War.

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