Israel and Iran in conflict

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by norman (here)
Then there's the age old lore around here that 'ET' won't allow use of nukes.

The very first thing I thought when I heard this story. In fact, whenever nukes are mentioned in all this increasing war rhetoric I'm thinking nah-uh in the back of my mind.

UFO incursions at air bases and missile silos have been reported for many years, and were frequent during the cold war. These objects interfered with test-firings, and brought entire facilities offline. I strongly believe this was 'them up there' sending a message, simply put: we can put a stop to this any time we please so stop wasting your time. Nuclear weapons are out of bounds, and off-limits.

One wonders in fact if 'they' were the real reason for the subsequent non-proliferation treaties, and the ban on nuclear testing. It was a waste of time and money, for the superpowers would never get to use them. It makes more sense to me than them suddenly growing a conscience.

[norman]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by norman (here)
Then there's the age old lore around here that 'ET' won't allow use of nukes.

The very first thing I thought when I heard this story. In fact, whenever nukes are mentioned in all this increasing war rhetoric I'm thinking nah-uh in the back of my mind.

UFO incursions at air bases and missile silos have been reported for many years, and were frequent during the cold war. These objects interfered with test-firings, and brought entire facilities offline. I strongly believe this was 'them up there' sending a message, simply put: we can put a stop to this any time we please so stop wasting your time. Nuclear weapons are out of bounds, and off-limits.

One wonders in fact if 'they' were the real reason for the subsequent non-proliferation treaties, and the ban on nuclear testing. It was a waste of time and money, for the superpowers would never get to use them. It makes more sense to me than them suddenly growing a conscience.

If it turns out to be the case, of massive significance right here and now is what the great nuclear powers do to frame it/hide it, because their strategic stances are so dependant on the nuke threat.

Again, IF, true, they ( ET ) may have just ramped up the "coming to Jesus" moment for the great powers.

[Beren]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This Judge Napolitano interview with former CIA analyst Larry Johnson is scheduled for a couple of hours from now.

Did Israel Plan to Nuke Iran?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F6MtZO694Xo

Hi Bill,

Long time no see/hear.
Last time we saw each other was in Zurich in 2009. Anyways a lot of things happened in the world since then. Do you think this is still going on as "Anglo Saxon" plan posted here long time ago?

Or that many unseen factors changed this time-line and are stearing the events in unforseen to dark - pathways?

Thank you.

[Ravenlocke]

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This is undoubtedly the best analysis I've heard to date of the Iran strike on Israel. It's long-ish (about 10 minutes) but absolutely worth listening to.

The man speaking is Chas Freeman, former Assistant Secretary of Defense and, very relevant to the topic, former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

He's interviewed by
@PLottaz
, an Associate Professor at Kyoto University in Japan (this is the full video of the interview: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jLai2YG4NRc).

What Freeman argues is that Iran's strike "changes all the rules of the game in the Middle-East". The biggest deal for him is that "the Saudis, the Emiratis and others informed the United States that they would not permit American operations against Iran from their territory and Iran warned those states that if they did, they would become targets. So in a sense, Iran has achieved the neutralization of American forces in the Persian gulf that it long sought. So from a tactical military point of view it was a 'nothing burger' - nobody was killed, nobody was damaged - [...] but from a strategic point of view, from a soft power point of view, it was a huge success. Iran accomplished its objective and it left Israel with an intolerable dilemma. Israel cannot continue to behave as though it can act with impunity."

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Tintin]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
From Pepe Escobar today. (Scott Ritter has posted that he does not believe this. His twitter post is below.)

https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/11024[INDENT]EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

[ ... ]

Here's Ray McGovern, who was immediately asked for his opinion on this. McGovern is as wise as the Old Man of the Mountains, and he replied:

1. It sounded a little hard to believe, but he could not rule it out.
2. Such an incident could not remain hidden for very long, so if this really happened we'll be sure to know the truth fairly soon.
3. In the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see.

Absolutely, "Wait and see" or as I have contrived as a motto: "In tempore veritas"

In the meantime, another update from Pepe Escobar via X, below:

VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE

I now have TWO separate, definitive confirmations from TWO ultra high level intel sources from TWO separate Asian nations. Working to get a third - at least a partial acknowledgment.

I moved to Asia 30 years ago. Built a unparalleled network. Trust my top sources a billion per cent.

The original source that led to my first post reconfirmed he stands by it. His words:

"I'm honestly surprised that people are surprised. Do they really think if something like this happened it's gonna be presented to them in front of their TVs? It's like history has taught them nothing."

Working on a first column - probably out tomorrow.

Many thanks to all who offered informed, sharp comment and criticism. This should be a collective effort to get to what might have happened: the shape of it, not necessarily the details as they were leaked.
12:56 PM · Apr 21, 2024

The commentary in the thread is worth noting too.

Further follow-up from Pepe Escobar, here via X:

THE NUCLEAR F-35 MYSTERY - FINAL UPDATE

1. It’s now fully established that The Information was confirmed independently by the intel of a Big Power.

2. The Information was NOT relayed by Russia.

3. It then reached a third nation - and from that to me.

4. The players involved are not backing down an inch from The Information.

5. I was privately provided with two examples of the accuracy of recent intel by the Big Power on two separate big developments in West Asia .

6. The source that contacted me notes that “sometimes, after news has entered the media space, there is no choice but not to provide clarification."

Additionally, a senior Russian diplomat who does not know The Information, said to me the following:

1. “That is entirely possible.”

2. It shouldn't have been revealed to the public.

3. “If this is true, then all sides will be determined to cover it up.”

One unanswered question for me is: Why did the Big Power source relay The Information to an intel agency from another nation? I tend to believe this was to erase its tracks in the chain. Particularly because my initial source has now revealed that the Big Power gained their intelligence firsthand - and that it was not transmitted to them by the Russians, Iranians or other direct parties to the hot war in West Asia.

To sum it all up, via the source who originally received The Information: “If anyone should be accused of fabrication it is the ’source’; but in this case the ’source’ remains confident of the accuracy."

I rest my case. I published raw intel the way I received it.

It’s up to a wider audience to judge whether - and how - The Information connects with new developments occurring at breakneck speed, and part of a New Paradigm.
5:18 PM · Apr 24, 2024

[norman]

This news item has popped up, and I can't help wondering if it's related to a failed attempt to explode a nuke over Iran.

If something stopped the mission from being successful the US military may have set up a test mission ( with a small nuke ) to see if whatever prevented the Iran hit would prevent the test flight/bomb drop . . ?

If so, they found out that a test flight over open ocean could complete the test mission, that'll make them scratch their heads.

Just thinking aloud here.

Posted by norman (here)
https://t.me/AzazelNews/586905




AND . . .according to a T post Lee Merritt posted.

An F35 shut off radar before the explosion.

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[norman]

I think most of the world already knew this, I know I did. The interesting part is that it's Fox News refreshing people's memories in a timely manner.


Iranian lawmaker declares Tehran obtained nuclear bombs
May 12, 2024

https://www.foxnews.com/world/irania...-nuclear-bombs

[truthandfreedom247369]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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Hey there is this your account? If so I'd like to add you so I am able to view them and share with you as well! Peace and blessings!

[norman]

Iran confirms indirect talks with United States


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[bojancan]

Helicopter carrying Iranian president crashes | Al Jazeera Newsfeed

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=is6GPox6944

Raisi's convoy helicopter accident: Helicopter in Iranian president's convoy in accident: State TV

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZkLoUC6FU

Sixteen rescue teams trying to reach Iran's president after helicopter accident

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sntTFia4LfM

[bojancan]

Al Jazeera English | Live

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gCNeDWCI0vo

[Ravenlocke]

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🇮🇷A chopper carrying Iran's President Ibrahim Reisi and his Foreign Minister Amirabdolahian has been involved in an "incident" in Jolfa region, according to Iranian media reports.

A deputy provincial governor general says the chopper has crashed, and rescue teams have been dispatched, but Iran's state TV says it has had an "emergency landing" amid foggy weather.

Three helicopters were in the convoy, with two reaching their destination safely, according to media reports.
The IRGC-affiliated Tasnim News says Raisi's companions managed to establish contact, raising hopes for a resolution without loss of life.
The foggy weather is hindering rescue efforts.

Rescue teams are using drones to find the Iranian president's chopper in an area between Kalibar and Varzaghan regions, said the head of the Iranian Red Crescent Society's Relief and Rescue Department.

All their phones are now out of service, the IRGC-affiliated Fars News reported.

Update: A brief contact was made with someone on the helicopter carrying President Raisi. Then screaming and ambulance soreness are heard and the contact was lost.

The rescuers have not been able to reach the location of the incident, the other outposts reporting.

Tasnim News Agency: according to local residents: Due to fog and bad weather conditions in the area, the status of the helicopter that carries President Reisi is still unknown.

IRNA: 16 rescue teams headed to the area of the Iranian President’s plane accident.

Tasnim News Agency: Massive rescue operation ongoing after a helicopter carrying Iran's president suffered an accident.

The helicopter has not been located yet per Tasnim News Agency.

KurdishFrontNews

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[Ravenlocke]

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Though many outlets are reporting different information, the only thing that is clear at this time is:

IRNA reporter's field report of the search and rescue operation of the helicopter carrying the president

🔹 According to the reports given by the residents of the surrounding villages, the helicopter carrying the president and his companions has had an accident in the forest area of ​​Dizmar between the villages of Uzi and Pir Dawood.

Residents of this area, which is located in the north of Varzeghan in East Azarbaijan province, told IRNA reporter that voices were heard in this area an hour ago.

More than 20 rescue and rescue teams with full equipment, including drones and search dogs, have been sent to the area, and along with them, groups of rangers and special forces of the armed forces are also present in the area to help with search operations.

Due to the impassability of the area as well as adverse weather conditions, especially thick fog in the area, search and rescue operations take time.
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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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Interior minister confirms hard landing of helicopter carrying President Raisi

Iran's Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi has confirmed to the national TV that one of the copters of the president's convoy had a hard landing.

"Various rescue groups are moving towards the site, but due to the fog and bad weather, it may take time to reach the area. The work is under control," Vahidi said.

"There have been contacts with [the president's] companions, but given that the area is mountainous and it is difficult to establish contacts, we hope that the rescue teams will reach the site of the incident sooner and give us more information," the interior minister added.

Local Iranian media have reported that it is heavily raining in the area in Varzaghan District and it is hard for the rescue and search teams to walk in the dense fog.

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[Ravenlocke]

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🇪🇺🇮🇷 European Union Emergency Commissioner: At the request of Iran, we are activating the rapid response service regarding the helicopter accident of the president of this country. -SEPAHCYBERY

Janz Lenarcic, European Commissioner for Crisis Management at X:

"According to Iran's request for assistance, we are activating the European Union's Copernicus EMS rapid response mapping service in light of the helicopter accident that was reported to be carrying Iran's president and its foreign minister."

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[Ravenlocke]

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