Bill Ryan's Mission and His Lunchbox, Sociopath du Jour, and Unicorn Urine

[onawah]

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
And DON'T you dare pretend that's an answer!
I know you all too well.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat that's all made up nonsense

[Mike]

Raskolnikov, if we had free energy, that would take a major bite out of industry and therefore some of the biggest power players.. and we'd all save a sh!tload of $ in the absence of gas/electric expenditures. But there'd still be bankers and dead end jobs and wars. Maybe I'm just being thick, but it's not obvious to me at all how these things would suddenly just disappear in the presence of free energy. We'll still use money, and we'll still need to work for a living to buy food and pay rent and so on, and our weaponry would be infinitely more sophisticated with the new tech..so war would not only remain a major threat, but one that could possibly incinerate the planet with one reckless move. We'd need more regulations and infrastructure (government) to regulate it, wouldn't we?

I promise you, I'm not trying to be annoying! In my heart of hearts I want what you want; I want some version of the world you're articulating here, no doubt. I hate to be the curmudgeon in the room. I'd love to release all my skepticism and embrace this vision wholeheartedly, but my mind won't let me do it. It keeps dragging me back to reality.

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
And DON'T you dare pretend that's an answer!
I know you all too well.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat that's all made up nonsense

Well, "Women's Studies"?? Come on! That's one of those 'critical theories', like Lesbian Dance or Queer Theory or Post Colonial Studies. It's all woke gobbledygook.

It's a myth, just like saying black slaves built America, or black people are the original Brits, or that Joan of Arc was trans. It's a rewriting of history that's mostly based on faulty interpretations of symbolism.

'Feminist scholarship' is an oxymoron, I promise! And it's not because women are dumb or anything, it's just because it's a woke social science, which means it's not a science at all.

[Tintin]

In lieu of anything I may choose to write myself on this fast-becoming-very-interesting-thread this gem from Doc Malik packs heavily, and is of course 'on the shekel'. (Interesting history on the shekel here albeit admittedly wildly off-topic here )

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Most of my extended family, around 90 percent, live in America.
I have friends and family there. I have visited many times.
We even spent our honeymoon in Yosemite, my third time there.
I love Americans.
But I despise the American government.
A fifth column rules your nation. A shadow power that pretends to serve the people but drains the country like a parasite feeding off its host.
That host is now anaemic, fragile, and barely standing.

They have opened the borders to around 30 million illegal entrants, many of them criminals.
They have poisoned your youth with opioids and synthetic drugs.
They steal from you through fraudulent taxation.
They have assassinated your presidents.
They send your sons and daughters to fight endless wars, only to return dead, broken, or traumatised.
They create the very disasters they later pretend to fix.
They are not misguided. They are evil.

They have wrecked your communities, hollowed out your cities, and dismantled your culture.
They push woke ideology, DEI, ESG policies, and radical gender theory.
Their roots are Marxist. Their core is Satanic.
They blame foreign nations, especially Muslim countries, for problems they themselves created through decades of bombing and destabilisation.
They run the NGOs. They manage the logistics. They are behind the mass migration, even as they complain about its consequences.

They hate America. And they hate you.
When will Americans wake up and take their country back?
6:42 PM · Jun 18, 2025
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[Mike]

Posted by Tintin (here)
In lieu of anything I may choose to write myself on this fast-becoming-very-interesting-thread this gem from Doc Malik packs heavily, and is of course 'on the shekel'. (Interesting history on the shekel here albeit admittedly wildly off-topic here )

---------------

Most of my extended family, around 90 percent, live in America.
I have friends and family there. I have visited many times.
We even spent our honeymoon in Yosemite, my third time there.
I love Americans.
But I despise the American government.
A fifth column rules your nation. A shadow power that pretends to serve the people but drains the country like a parasite feeding off its host.
That host is now anaemic, fragile, and barely standing.

They have opened the borders to around 30 million illegal entrants, many of them criminals.
They have poisoned your youth with opioids and synthetic drugs.
They steal from you through fraudulent taxation.
They have assassinated your presidents.
They send your sons and daughters to fight endless wars, only to return dead, broken, or traumatised.
They create the very disasters they later pretend to fix.
They are not misguided. They are evil.

They have wrecked your communities, hollowed out your cities, and dismantled your culture.
They push woke ideology, DEI, ESG policies, and radical gender theory.
Their roots are Marxist. Their core is Satanic.
They blame foreign nations, especially Muslim countries, for problems they themselves created through decades of bombing and destabilisation.
They run the NGOs. They manage the logistics. They are behind the mass migration, even as they complain about its consequences.

They hate America. And they hate you.
When will Americans wake up and take their country back?
6:42 PM · Jun 18, 2025
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I agree entirely my friend. All very well said.

I just try to make a distinction between that fifth column (or "deep state") and what we might call the "good guys". But even the good guys are morally complex and often forced into lesser of the evil decisions.

This is Dennis' cue to return to the thread and remind us that they're all rotten to the core scumbags and no distinctions should be made at all!

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Mike (here)
Raskolnikov, if we had free energy, that would take a major bite out of industry and therefore some of the biggest power players.. and we'd all save a sh!tload of $ in the absence of gas/electric expenditures. But there'd still be bankers and dead end jobs and wars. Maybe I'm just being thick, but it's not obvious to me at all how these things would suddenly just disappear in the presence of free energy. We'll still use money, and we'll still need to work for a living to buy food and pay rent and so on, and our weaponry would be infinitely more sophisticated with the new tech..so war would not only remain a major threat, but one that could possibly incinerate the planet with one reckless move. We'd need more regulations and infrastructure (government) to regulate it, wouldn't we?

I promise you, I'm not trying to be annoying! In my heart of hearts I want what you want; I want some version of the world you're articulating here, no doubt. I hate to be the curmudgeon in the room. I'd love to release all my skepticism and embrace this vision wholeheartedly, but my mind won't let me do it. It keeps dragging me back to reality.

Ah the monkey mind, maybe when 100 other monkeys start seeing it my way, lol. It's all about the evolution of the individual, that's going to be the key component of what I speak. A society of real individuals as opposed to the collectivism being rammed down our throat by the American govenment desribed so well in Tintin's post, couldn't have said it better myself. Why would people war with one another if they have everything they could possibly want or need? It's a little pie in the sky but something deep down tells me this is where we come from and this is where we're going again, once we root out the parasites of course. Do your parasite cleanses everyone!

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Mike (here)
there'd still be bankers and dead end jobs and wars...it's not obvious to me at all how these things would suddenly just disappear in the presence of free energy. We'll still use money, and we'll still need to work for a living to buy food and pay rent and so on, and our weaponry would be infinitely more sophisticated

I realize I didn't properly address your concerns. The money issue always reminds me of what Alex Collier said about his extraterrestial friend asking him to explain money, and then just not understanding why a species has to pay to live on a planet that they were born on. Believe it's safe to say that everyone on this forum knows there are other life forms throughout the multiverse, that it's not woo-woo, just take a trip up to the Gilliland ranch if you still have doubts. Many of these races seem highly advanced with a superior intellect and have repeatedly likened our advancement to the toddler in the room who's reaching for the loaded revolver, Trump is a good example of this. So again, back to the evolution of the individual.

In an overunity society, money isn't necessary. Everything is abundant and at everyone's disposal at all times, free shelter, free transportation, free quality healthcare, free healthy food; while an aware and enlightened populace relishes their chosen fields of endeavor (everyone skilled in their own unique way) because they know it's a boon and a benefit to all, so it's both enjoyable and rewarding, real purpose and meaning, what a concept. Call me a homeless romantic, but that sounds pretty good to me.

[Mike]

I think the point of life is adventure, not happiness. Human beings are after fulfillment, not fun. We are designed to strive upwards and solve problems; that's where our meaning is derived. Happiness and fun are a part of that, but not the entre.

If there are no problems left to solve, humans beings will create problems. Utopia isn't the goal ultimately; meaning is the goal. Our personal evolution as you've called it will never erase our ambition, desire to compete, be better etc because if it did there would be no meaning to existence. Utopia would, ironically, kill our spirit.

I'm not sure if you were serious about the parasite thing, but that's another one of those things that I often hear utopians talk about. It's all remarkably simple in their eyes. If only we got rid of the parasites! Everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for religionists it's, if only we all converted to Christianity or Islam everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for vegans it's, if only we all stopped eating meat everyone would behave compassionately and in the interests of the group; for UFO people it's, if only we all listened to the space brothers everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group; for woke people it's, if only we all equalized outcomes among all the marginalized people everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group etc etc etc

But no one wants to grapple with the gritty details. Specific questions about these utopias are avoided like the plague and even discouraged ultimately. Implicit in this attitude is something like , come on, if you'd just believe and stop asking all these pesky questions we could manifest this wonderful utopia! See, it works on faith, and in that way it's no different than a religion.

I'm reading what you're writing here, and I have a great appreciation for the spirit of it (and would have even made the same exact arguments just a few short years ago) but I'm still none the wiser on how it would actually look in reality. Even if we lived in abundance (still not sure exactly what that means tbh) and everything was free..people would still have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis, ones they would eventually grow to resent no matter how evolved you imagine this society to be. Show me the man who would raise his hand to clean ****ty toilets for the rest of his life..because it's a boon and benefit to all. Show me the man who would volunteer to work at a garbage dump because "someone needs to do it". Here's the thing: if we're all left to merely choose our field of endeavor, and the reward is exactly the same, no one is gonna choose menial labor.

And those doctors working 70 hour weeks to provide that free healthcare.. they're gonna get pissed off eventually, especially when they see all the free loaders doing nothing because the incentive structure has collapsed. Same with the farmers breaking their backs to provide that free healthy food...and so forth.

Money is just an expression of effort and time. Some humans are willing to put in far more effort and time than others, and deserve to be rewarded for it. That's how I'd explain it to any confused extraterrestrials

[onawah]

That's just idiotic Mike. There has been plenty of information about Matriarchy for centuries before Wokeism ever appeared.
You obviously must think I'm dumb for even suggesting such a thing. Well, back 'atcha.
Marijah Gimbutus, a very legit and respected researcher, would be a very good place for you to start to see how wrong you are, but I don't expect you will take the trouble.
So end of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
And DON'T you dare pretend that's an answer!
I know you all too well.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat that's all made up nonsense

Well, "Women's Studies"?? Come on! That's one of those 'critical theories', like Lesbian Dance or Queer Theory or Post Colonial Studies. It's all woke gobbledygook.

It's a myth, just like saying black slaves built America, or black people are the original Brits, or that Joan of Arc was trans. It's a rewriting of history that's mostly based on faulty interpretations of symbolism.

'Feminist scholarship' is an oxymoron, I promise! And it's not because women are dumb or anything, it's just because it's a woke social science, which means it's not a science at all.

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
That's just idiotic Mike. There has been plenty of information about Matriarchy for centuries before Wokeism ever appeared.
You obviously must think I'm dumb for even suggesting such a thing. Well, back 'atcha.
Marijah Gimbutus, a very legit and respected researcher, would be a very good place for you to start to see how wrong you are, but I don't expect you will take the trouble.
So end of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
And DON'T you dare pretend that's an answer!
I know you all too well.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat that's all made up nonsense

Well, "Women's Studies"?? Come on! That's one of those 'critical theories', like Lesbian Dance or Queer Theory or Post Colonial Studies. It's all woke gobbledygook.

It's a myth, just like saying black slaves built America, or black people are the original Brits, or that Joan of Arc was trans. It's a rewriting of history that's mostly based on faulty interpretations of symbolism.

'Feminist scholarship' is an oxymoron, I promise! And it's not because women are dumb or anything, it's just because it's a woke social science, which means it's not a science at all.

Alot of smart people are swayed by things that aren't true. Happens all the time. Happens to me, you, everyone. It doesn't suggest dumbness, and I'm not calling you dumb

But this matriarchal socialist paradise that Gimbutis suggests is a myth. I don't need to take the trouble to look into her because I've already done it, otherwise I wouldn't have even bothered commenting. What she offers is something like a psychological myth being presented as reality. It's no more real than what your buddy Kimberly Goguen puts out.

[onawah]

My "buddy" Kimberly Goguen? I've done nothing but expose what a fraud she is.
As I said, Mike, discussion over as far as I'm concerned. Your opinion on the matter of Matriarchy is pretty typical in this patriarchal age, but that doesn't make it accurate.

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
That's just idiotic Mike. There has been plenty of information about Matriarchy for centuries before Wokeism ever appeared.
You obviously must think I'm dumb for even suggesting such a thing. Well, back 'atcha.
Marijah Gimbutus, a very legit and respected researcher, would be a very good place for you to start to see how wrong you are, but I don't expect you will take the trouble.
So end of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
And DON'T you dare pretend that's an answer!
I know you all too well.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat that's all made up nonsense

Well, "Women's Studies"?? Come on! That's one of those 'critical theories', like Lesbian Dance or Queer Theory or Post Colonial Studies. It's all woke gobbledygook.

It's a myth, just like saying black slaves built America, or black people are the original Brits, or that Joan of Arc was trans. It's a rewriting of history that's mostly based on faulty interpretations of symbolism.

'Feminist scholarship' is an oxymoron, I promise! And it's not because women are dumb or anything, it's just because it's a woke social science, which means it's not a science at all.

Alot of smart people are swayed by things that aren't true. Happens all the time. Happens to me, you, everyone. It doesn't suggest dumbness, and I'm not calling you dumb

But this matriarchal socialist paradise that Gimbutis suggests is a myth. I don't need to take the trouble to look into her because I've already done it, otherwise I wouldn't have even bothered commenting. What she offers is something like a psychological myth being presented as reality. It's no more real that what your buddy Kimberly Goguen puts out.

[Mike]

Nat the 'buddy' comment was an obvious joke!

I wouldn't call my attitude towards socialist utopias patriarchal. I'd just call it realistic.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Mike (here)
I think the point of life is adventure, not happiness. Human beings are after fulfillment, not fun. We are designed to strive upwards and solve problems; that's where our meaning is derived. Happiness and fun are a part of that, but not the entre.

If there are no problems left to solve, humans beings will create problems. Utopia isn't the goal ultimately; meaning is the goal. Our personal evolution as you've called it will never erase our ambition, desire to compete, be better etc because if it did there would be no meaning to existence. Utopia would, ironically, kill our spirit.

I'm not sure if you were serious about the parasite thing, but that's another one of those things that I often hear utopians talk about. It's all remarkably simple in their eyes. If only we got rid of the parasites! Everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for religionists it's, if only we all converted to Christianity or Islam everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for vegans it's, if only we all stopped eating meat everyone would behave compassionately and in the interests of the group; for UFO people it's, if only we all listened to the space brothers everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group; for woke people it's, if only we all equalized outcomes among all the marginalized people everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group etc etc etc

But no one wants to grapple with the gritty details. Specific questions about these utopias are avoided like the plague and even discouraged ultimately. Implicit in this attitude is something like , come on, if you'd just believe and stop asking all these pesky questions we could manifest this wonderful utopia! See, it works on faith, and in that way it's no different than a religion.

I'm reading what you're writing here, and I have a great appreciation for the spirit of it (and would have even made the same exact arguments just a few short years ago) but I'm still none the wiser on how it would actually look in reality. Even if we lived in abundance (still not sure exactly what that means tbh) and everything was free..people would still have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis, ones they would eventually grow to resent no matter how evolved you imagine this society to be. Show me the man who would raise his hand to clean ****ty toilets for the rest of his life..because it's a boon and benefit to all. Show me the man who would volunteer to work at a garbage dump because "someone needs to do it". Here's the thing: if we're all left to merely choose our field of endeavor, and the reward is exactly the same, no one is gonna choose menial labor.

And those doctors working 70 hour weeks to provide that free healthcare.. they're gonna get pissed off eventually, especially when they see all the free loaders doing nothing because the incentive structure has collapsed. Same with the farmers breaking their backs to provide that free healthy food...and so forth.

Money is just an expression of effort and time. Some humans are willing to put in far more effort and time than others, and deserve to be rewarded for it. That's how I'd explain it to any confused extraterrestrials

“I think the point of life is adventure, not happiness. Human beings are after fulfillment, not fun. We are designed to strive upwards and solve problems; that's where our meaning is derived. Happiness and fun are a part of that, but not the entre.”

Well I never implied that meaning is derived from fun or happiness. Meaning comes from finding your purpose in life and pursuing that purpose. It’s ironic that in the early days “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” was actually, “life, liberty, and property.” But now it’s “you’ll own nothing and be happy.” Imagine the looks on the founders faces upon reading such a statement, tea tax got nothing on that!

And I know I’m painting myself as the outcast to even mention free sh!t in the era of libtard entitlement and woke meltdowns, where free sh!t is expected and government is the daddy that must provide, because slavery and Hitler happened and you will always be guilty for being white.

“Our personal evolution as you've called it will never erase our ambition, desire to compete, be better etc because if it did there would be no meaning to existence.”

Buddha, Jesus, the great sages of India, Greece, and Rome would all beg to differ with that assessment. Personal evolution is the only thing that will ever check ambition and desire and allow one to see if there's still any traces of vanity behind such drives, because otherwise we will be left chasing the voices of our monkey minds for eternity and be none the better because it’s nothing but mindless chatter.

And Utopia’s nothing but a dog whistle used to demean anyone trying to make a meaningful argument about a different version of society based upon something other than restrictive government. For one, this different version of society would not kill our spirit, it would give us a renewed sense of life and meaning, the current form of government is killing our spirit, both figuratively and literally.

And yes, I was serious about parasites, both physical and spiritual. Let me quote a passage from 36,000 years ago to support my argument:

“Only through blood could they form being, only through man could they live in the world…Aye, when the blood was offered, forth came they to dwell among men. In the form of man moved they amongst us, but only to sight, were they as are men. Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted, but appearing to man as men among men. Crept they into the councils, taking form that were like unto men. Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms, taking their form and ruling o’er man. Only by magic could they be discovered, only by sound could their faces be seen. Sought they from the kingdom of shadows, to destroy man and rule in his place.” The Emerald Tablets of Thoth

These are the parasites of which I speak; these are the parasites that have infested our world.

In truth, I’m asking the same pesky questions as you, and it’s not stemming from religion. Maybe from faith, a faith that our human history is more than we’ve been led to believe, why else the massive coverup?

"I'm reading what you're writing here, and I have a great appreciation for the spirit of it (and would have even made the same exact arguments just a few short years ago) but I'm still none the wiser on how it would actually look in reality. Even if we lived in abundance (still not sure exactly what that means tbh) and everything was free..people would still have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis, ones they would eventually grow to resent no matter how evolved you imagine this society to be. Show me the man who would raise his hand to clean ****ty toilets for the rest of his life..because it's a boon and benefit to all. Show me the man who would volunteer to work at a garbage dump because "someone needs to do it". Here's the thing: if we're all left to merely choose our field of endeavor, and the reward is exactly the same, no one is gonna choose menial labor."

But would a free people actually “have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis?” Couldn’t a population with unlimited resources and an abundance of time create new ways to perform such menial tasks? Couldn’t we construct cities where everything is utilized, ala the Flux Capacitor to the nth degree, so that jobs that create such resentment would never have to be performed by human beings and could maybe be automated? And come on, in a society of healthy productive individuals, doctors will not have to work 70 hours a week. Most likely they’ll be put out of work altogether except to create new forms of health that surpass and enhance normal states, because why the hell not! In China, doctors used to only be paid when their patients remained healthy, and profits ceased when the patients became ill. That makes much more sense to me than what we have today. And farmers will no longer be breaking their backs in a society that understands the laws of physics, the laws of nature, and the laws of all other branches of science, I refer you again to the breakthroughs of Wilcock’s Source Field Investigations.

You have a great analytical mind, Mike, that would make any Harvard professor proud (not meant as an insult, lol), but maybe it’s time to turn our energies to a more productive line of analysis.

[onawah]

Not really funny.
Matriarchies are not necessarily "utopias" or what we think of now as socialism, but have existed in the past and there is plenty of historical evidence to prove it.
Some of Gigi Young's talks which are largely based on Theosophy and Anthroposophy are about what happens when patriarchies go awry (destructive technologies making a mess, which is certainly evident now, as was the case in Atlantis).
...As opposed to matriarchies that have failed (when preserving Nature is what matters more than anything).
Gigi's talks are largely based on Theosophy and Anthroposophy, the original roots of which go way back and there are lots of historical records.
There have been matriarchal communities in Native America as well as India and elsewhere.
It's just been a long time since they were prolific, so the info is scarce, but they most certainly have existed.
I think the next Age will be approaching a better balance of masculine and feminine, but there is certainly a long way to go before that comes about.

Posted by Mike (here)
Nat the 'buddy' comment was an obvious joke!

I wouldn't call my attitude towards socialist utopias patriarchal. I'd just call it realistic.

[Mike]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I think the point of life is adventure, not happiness. Human beings are after fulfillment, not fun. We are designed to strive upwards and solve problems; that's where our meaning is derived. Happiness and fun are a part of that, but not the entre.

If there are no problems left to solve, humans beings will create problems. Utopia isn't the goal ultimately; meaning is the goal. Our personal evolution as you've called it will never erase our ambition, desire to compete, be better etc because if it did there would be no meaning to existence. Utopia would, ironically, kill our spirit.

I'm not sure if you were serious about the parasite thing, but that's another one of those things that I often hear utopians talk about. It's all remarkably simple in their eyes. If only we got rid of the parasites! Everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for religionists it's, if only we all converted to Christianity or Islam everyone would behave compassionately and in the best interest of the group; for vegans it's, if only we all stopped eating meat everyone would behave compassionately and in the interests of the group; for UFO people it's, if only we all listened to the space brothers everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group; for woke people it's, if only we all equalized outcomes among all the marginalized people everyone would behave compassionately and in the interest of the group etc etc etc

But no one wants to grapple with the gritty details. Specific questions about these utopias are avoided like the plague and even discouraged ultimately. Implicit in this attitude is something like , come on, if you'd just believe and stop asking all these pesky questions we could manifest this wonderful utopia! See, it works on faith, and in that way it's no different than a religion.

I'm reading what you're writing here, and I have a great appreciation for the spirit of it (and would have even made the same exact arguments just a few short years ago) but I'm still none the wiser on how it would actually look in reality. Even if we lived in abundance (still not sure exactly what that means tbh) and everything was free..people would still have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis, ones they would eventually grow to resent no matter how evolved you imagine this society to be. Show me the man who would raise his hand to clean ****ty toilets for the rest of his life..because it's a boon and benefit to all. Show me the man who would volunteer to work at a garbage dump because "someone needs to do it". Here's the thing: if we're all left to merely choose our field of endeavor, and the reward is exactly the same, no one is gonna choose menial labor.

And those doctors working 70 hour weeks to provide that free healthcare.. they're gonna get pissed off eventually, especially when they see all the free loaders doing nothing because the incentive structure has collapsed. Same with the farmers breaking their backs to provide that free healthy food...and so forth.

Money is just an expression of effort and time. Some humans are willing to put in far more effort and time than others, and deserve to be rewarded for it. That's how I'd explain it to any confused extraterrestrials

“I think the point of life is adventure, not happiness. Human beings are after fulfillment, not fun. We are designed to strive upwards and solve problems; that's where our meaning is derived. Happiness and fun are a part of that, but not the entre.”

Well I never implied that meaning is derived from fun or happiness. Meaning comes from finding your purpose in life and pursuing that purpose. It’s ironic that in the early days “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” was actually, “life, liberty, and property.” But now it’s “you’ll own nothing and be happy.” Imagine the looks on the founders faces upon reading such a statement, tea tax got nothing on that!

And I know I’m painting myself as the outcast to even mention free sh!t in the era of libtard entitlement and woke meltdowns, where free sh!t is expected and government is the daddy that must provide, because slavery and Hitler happened and you will always be guilty for being white.

“Our personal evolution as you've called it will never erase our ambition, desire to compete, be better etc because if it did there would be no meaning to existence.”

Buddha, Jesus, the great sages of India, Greece, and Rome would all beg to differ with that assessment. Personal evolution is the only thing that will ever check ambition and desire and allow one to see if there's still any traces of vanity behind such drives, because otherwise we will be left chasing the voices of our monkey minds for eternity and be none the better because it’s nothing but mindless chatter.

And Utopia’s nothing but a dog whistle used to demean anyone trying to make a meaningful argument about a different version of society based upon something other than restrictive government. For one, this different version of society would not kill our spirit, it would give us a renewed sense of life and meaning, the current form of government is killing our spirit, both figuratively and literally.

And yes, I was serious about parasites, both physical and spiritual. Let me quote a passage from 36,000 years ago to support my argument:

“Only through blood could they form being, only through man could they live in the world…Aye, when the blood was offered, forth came they to dwell among men. In the form of man moved they amongst us, but only to sight, were they as are men. Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted, but appearing to man as men among men. Crept they into the councils, taking form that were like unto men. Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms, taking their form and ruling o’er man. Only by magic could they be discovered, only by sound could their faces be seen. Sought they from the kingdom of shadows, to destroy man and rule in his place.” The Emerald Tablets of Thoth

These are the parasites of which I speak; these are the parasites that have infested our world.

In truth, I’m asking the same pesky questions as you, and it’s not stemming from religion. Maybe from faith, a faith that our human history is more than we’ve been led to believe, why else the massive coverup?

"I'm reading what you're writing here, and I have a great appreciation for the spirit of it (and would have even made the same exact arguments just a few short years ago) but I'm still none the wiser on how it would actually look in reality. Even if we lived in abundance (still not sure exactly what that means tbh) and everything was free..people would still have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis, ones they would eventually grow to resent no matter how evolved you imagine this society to be. Show me the man who would raise his hand to clean ****ty toilets for the rest of his life..because it's a boon and benefit to all. Show me the man who would volunteer to work at a garbage dump because "someone needs to do it". Here's the thing: if we're all left to merely choose our field of endeavor, and the reward is exactly the same, no one is gonna choose menial labor."

But would a free people actually “have to perform very mundane and degrading duties on a daily basis?” Couldn’t a population with unlimited resources and an abundance of time create new ways to perform such menial tasks? Couldn’t we construct cities where everything is utilized, ala the Flux Capacitor to the nth degree, so that jobs that create such resentment would never have to be performed by human beings and could maybe be automated? And come on, in a society of healthy productive individuals, doctors will not have to work 70 hours a week. Most likely they’ll be put out of work altogether except to create new forms of health that surpass and enhance normal states, because why the hell not! In China, doctors used to only be paid when their patients remained healthy, and profits ceased when the patients became ill. That makes much more sense to me than what we have today. And farmers will no longer be breaking their backs in a society that understands the laws of physics, the laws of nature, and the laws of all other branches of science, I refer you again to the breakthroughs of Wilcock’s Source Field Investigations.

You have a great analytical mind, Mike, that would make any Harvard professor proud (not meant as an insult, lol), but maybe it’s time to turn our energies to a more productive line of analysis.

Brother, but you are describing a utopia. Free energy, flux capacitors, unlimited resources, an abundance of free time, no disease .. what is that if not a utopia? No dog whistles here, truly.

We're conversing hypothetically here, so fair enough..everything goes. But you're drifting off into science fiction a little whereas I'm trying to offer a realistic solution for our current reality. I don't think we can have a productive debate about it all if every time I challenge your position you evoke a hypothetical technology that will solve all our problems for us. Yes, if everything you posit is possible and emerged into our daily lives somehow, it sure would be great. It would be great if Superman arrived and fixed everything for us too, but it ain't happenin.

I do think free energy exists and is being suppressed. I also believe in personal evolution and it's importance, so we're not at cross purposes there (though I don't think we need to evolve beyond our competitive/ambitious nature or suppress it; we need to integrate it imo to ensure it's used productively and healthily). As I've said numerous times, I believe human beings are hierarchical by nature, and find meaning in upward striving and problem solving. With all our problems already solved in your model, what would there be left for us to do? I think, at least initially, there would be a crisis of meaning among the population.

But, if we got past it we might begin focusing our energies off world, and that would be pretty cool. I like that idea. We might also focus on evolving spiritually if we dedicated our time to that sort of stuff. That's super exciting, and partially why your vision appeals to me. I'm thinking of an Avatar type society, one that exists in union with nature but also possesses highly advanced technology. How f'in cool would that be? I do worry about art in this society; some of the best art currently emerged from some sort of struggle. I think we need to be wary about eliminating struggle; it sounds counterintuitive, I know, but struggle is one of those load bearing walls I mentioned earlier. It's the source of meaning for many. To offer a well worn cliche, diamonds emerge from the friction of struggle. In the type of utopia you describe, the only struggle might be in having to fight off apathy. What would prevent us from getting soft and weak? How would we produce diamonds?

Look, I love your vision. I choose your model every time! I don't wanna f#ckin work man. My entire adult life has been an exercise in how to create the most free time as possible - I've been doing it consciously and unconsciously for as long as I can remember. I value my time more than anything else..money, possessions, you name it. I do everything I can to escape this exhausting matrix. But I also have great appreciation for what I do have; western civilization is the most prosperous, most abundant, least tyrannical society in all of history. It's an absolute blessing to be part of it. I have enormous gratitude for it and everyone that made it possible. And none of it would have been possible without some form of government. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights..all gifts from God. So if I sound a little prickly or aggravated (sorry about that btw) when socialist utopias are evoked (or just utopias in general), or no government at all models, it's because it feels disrespectful in some way to our forefathers, and also because I can only really earnestly consider the here and now and work within the reality presented to me.

It's possible that I'm too analytical. I acknowledge that. And btw I'm glad everyone doesn't think like me, as stubborn as I am about my position here. I think I'd be disappointed if you lost your idealism. It actually gives me hope that you're so hopeful. It's likely best for the world in general to have a healthy mix of boring analytical types like me and expansive thinkers like yourself. Maybe some alchemy is born from it all that'll propel us forward in the most mutually prosperous way possible.

[Mike Gorman]

If you are any kind of student of history, socialist utopias have always ended up with people being murdered for any kind of push back, rifles being aimed at heads...socialist ideology cannot tolerate free speech or intellectual dissent, it demands obedience, much like a priamry school classroom presided over by a mistress...sound familiar? The only cultural approach that favors freedom and true diversity is capitalism and the free market. Until we can have free energy, that is the best of our offerings-once we have abundant /energy everything changes. My opinions of course.

[Merkaba360]

The problem is that my mom thinks i'm talking about stuff that will come about in 500 years But apparently by the end of this year we could see Optimus Prime be the first humanoid robot to WALK out of the factory. Its crazy how agile and complex their ability to move now is. Im confident Quantum computing is just about to hit the stage as well. Combine all that together with the massive AI data centers they are scaling up now.

My point is that drifting off into wonderous sci fi, isnt mental masturbating 500 years into the future anymore like my mom imagines. Sci Fi world is about to explode. So, its harder to just discuss the present now , cuz so many of our debates about making some political changes are about to become obsolete. Im not gonna hard debate issues that i think will be irrelevant in say 1-10 years. Its becoming way easier/faster to improve the system thru tech than get the corrupt leaders to improve things , given many are trying to make life hell for us.

Oh we should cut these gov't programs cuz bla bla bla...and all of the sudden BAM the whole systems efficiency is doubled in a few years dwarfing the minor thing we were debating about a few years prior.

And in some ways, arguments from the past can be obsolete as well. Its possible that Socialism in the past was all corrupt and crappy implementations. That the distorted idea failed cuz the ideology was written down and implemented way ahead of its time. Maybe in the future some kind of socialism is more advanced than what we have now. It just needed more evolved humans and more tech. I use the word socialism loosely cuz it seems there are so many types. I think of the word as involving integration and cooperation while capitalism being the independence end of the spectrum. In this sense, all the social programs and types of insurance are "socialist" upgrades to the capitalist system. The scary words of communism/socialism is dependence while capitalism is independence. The truth of life is in the balance, interdependence.

I don't think we will ever just overthrow capitalism, and install a new much upgraded system. It will just keep evolving and hybridizing. You dont want communism or socialism at the fed level, cuz the psychos use that to take total control. I could see some of their ideas being implemented at the community level or thru cyberspace as we create more connected systems online to help the collective.

I'm with Mike, im tired of working too and i guess im an old soul that just doesnt have the drive and motivation like some of these worker bees or CEOs. I want to BE, not so much Do. So, I also value free time over everything else, except health and safety.

I think optimus can clean all the toilets soon or at least there will be so many fewer jobs that we can divide up the dirty work. Only 5 hours of dirty work per week needed. In other words i think these classic debates of "someones gotta do the dirty work" is going to largely become a non issue over the next few decades. If I feel like I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, then its near enough to not waste to much energy debating the issue.

I think the idea that we need pressure to create a diamond might also be tied to lower levels of existence. Afterall , diamonds are part of one of the lowest forms of life, the mineral kingdom. lol I think of a more evolved state feeling something like ecstasy or shrooms. Regaining incredible energy like children have as well as feeling high powered love beaming out of our chests like care bears. I dont know that those problems of needing motivation thru struggle apply in higher states like they do now. We become driven by the pure light from within and apathy dissolves. Its hard to say which of these truths are local to our stage of life and which are more universal. I feel that if its universal, its just a different degree. Like the struggle required is less and different, not grueling or whatever.

Im kinda rambling, hope this fits into some of whats discussed above on this page sorry for off topic too, but not even sure what this thread topic is. lol. Oh yea we Avalonians, can ramble and discuss anything, not just stubborn aging people with rigid beliefs and accepting Lord Trump in our hearts as savior.

[HopSan]

Hello, all!

Some points that came to mind from previous messages:

1. There is no 'we'. You, who write 'we', assume that every one is
as talented or good-willing as you. It is not so.

2. World IQ is somewhere between 80 and 90.

3. I lived for about two years in a 'commune'. Wonderful people.
Their avg. IQ was at least 120. Did not work.

4. People with IQ of 80-90 are impulsive, follow feelings-of-moment,
cannot really understand what they read, etc.

They cannot create or sustain a civilization.

5. Something illustrative, published before illusions began to dominate:



Page 117 has been shared widely everywhere.


Truth is like weather. It is there, whether you like it or not.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Mike (here)
Brother, but you are describing a utopia. Free energy, flux capacitors, unlimited resources, an abundance of free time, no disease .. what is that if not a utopia? No dog whistles here, truly.

We're conversing hypothetically here, so fair enough..everything goes. But you're drifting off into science fiction a little whereas I'm trying to offer a realistic solution for our current reality. I don't think we can have a productive debate about it all if every time I challenge your position you evoke a hypothetical technology that will solve all our problems for us. Yes, if everything you posit is possible and emerged into our daily lives somehow, it sure would be great. It would be great if Superman arrived and fixed everything for us too, but it ain't happenin.

I do think free energy exists and is being suppressed. I also believe in personal evolution and it's importance, so we're not at cross purposes there (though I don't think we need to evolve beyond our competitive/ambitious nature or suppress it; we need to integrate it imo to ensure it's used productively and healthily). As I've said numerous times, I believe human beings are hierarchical by nature, and find meaning in upward striving and problem solving. With all our problems already solved in your model, what would there be left for us to do? I think, at least initially, there would be a crisis of meaning among the population.

But, if we got past it we might begin focusing our energies off world, and that would be pretty cool. I like that idea. We might also focus on evolving spiritually if we dedicated our time to that sort of stuff. That's super exciting, and partially why your vision appeals to me. I'm thinking of an Avatar type society, one that exists in union with nature but also possesses highly advanced technology. How f'in cool would that be? I do worry about art in this society; some of the best art currently emerged from some sort of struggle. I think we need to be wary about eliminating struggle; it sounds counterintuitive, I know, but struggle is one of those load bearing walls I mentioned earlier. It's the source of meaning for many. To offer a well worn cliche, diamonds emerge from the friction of struggle. In the type of utopia you describe, the only struggle might be in having to fight off apathy. What would prevent us from getting soft and weak? How would we produce diamonds?

Look, I love your vision. I choose your model every time! I don't wanna f#ckin work man. My entire adult life has been an exercise in how to create the most free time as possible - I've been doing it consciously and unconsciously for as long as I can remember. I value my time more than anything else..money, possessions, you name it. I do everything I can to escape this exhausting matrix. But I also have great appreciation for what I do have; western civilization is the most prosperous, most abundant, least tyrannical society in all of history. It's an absolute blessing to be part of it. I have enormous gratitude for it and everyone that made it possible. And none of it would have been possible without some form of government. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights..all gifts from God. So if I sound a little prickly or aggravated (sorry about that btw) when socialist utopias are evoked (or just utopias in general), or no government at all models, it's because it feels disrespectful in some way to our forefathers, and also because I can only really earnestly consider the here and now and work within the reality presented to me.

It's possible that I'm too analytical. I acknowledge that. And btw I'm glad everyone doesn't think like me, as stubborn as I am about my position here. I think I'd be disappointed if you lost your idealism. It actually gives me hope that you're so hopeful. It's likely best for the world in general to have a healthy mix of boring analytical types like me and expansive thinkers like yourself. Maybe some alchemy is born from it all that'll propel us forward in the most mutually prosperous way possible.

Really? You had to go there and bring up Superman? Well, I guess it’s justified, I was a big fan of Nietzsche’s work, so much so I can still spell his name from memory, lol. And you make a good point about art stemming from struggle, and that struggle even becoming a source of meaning for many. I’ve used that same well worn pressure and time diamond cliche many times. Some of my best work has come from episodes of great turmoil and pain, so intense you feel reborn when you finally make it through. One of them was so traumatic that I began viewing the world as if I hadn’t survived but had died, so that I was now living in the afterlife or in eternity. And it was liberating, having that much free time, because who’s going to work a deadend job when they’re dead? Nobody. You’re going to pursue your highest and wildest dream whatever it may be. This world’s a funny place. In it’s present choatic state, to return to the well worn cliche, it feels like such a crash course in pressure and struggle that many will be walking around as bright as suns pretty soon.

And I appreciate you keeping it “civil,” couldn’t resist, but it’s nice when people can disagree and yet still find a way to come to a meeting of the minds despite their differences. Which rolls nicely into HopSan’s post:

Posted by HopSan (here)
Some points that came to mind from previous messages:

1. There is no 'we'. You, who write 'we', assume that every one is
as talented or good-willing as you. It is not so.

2. World IQ is somewhere between 80 and 90.

3. I lived for about two years in a 'commune'. Wonderful people.
Their avg. IQ was at least 120. Did not work.

4. People with IQ of 80-90 are impulsive, follow feelings-of-moment,
cannot really understand what they read, etc.

They cannot create or sustain a civilization.

Truth is like weather. It is there, whether you like it or not.

It’s a major concern, this whole woke, low intelligence thing, isn’t it. A good majority of people seem to be devolving into something unrecognizable, real life walking zombies. You can’t talk to them let alone expect them to be a part of any of the societies we’ve been discussing. It appears that while some are reaching new heights in their evolution, having done the hard yards and becoming better for it, others are devolving into the opposite, a low intellect, fat, lazy, retarded, victim full of entitlement, a vacant vessel of a being who slurps up what they’re selling and is ready to kill anyone who opposes or questions their tv talking points. Are we really going to be able to join our brothers from the stars, you know, the asshole hippies from outer space, with such pond scum as part of our race? May you live in interesting times indeed…

But hey, it was nice to see you explore some of the possibilities of a freer society, dare I say, one without government? I understand that in our current reality, where oppressive governments beat their people into submission and violate their rights in every conceivable way, to the point of death, that an overunity society is still a pipe dream. So I get and can appreciate your practical, no nonsense critique of such a society. And I understand your gratitude for what’s been bestowed upon us here in western civilization. It is a blessing, what the founders created, and yet this too has been usurped, as has been the case throughout all of written history. As Mike Gorman stated,

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
The only cultural approach that favors freedom and true diversity is capitalism and the free market. Until we can have free energy, that is the best of our offerings-once we have abundant /energy everything changes.

And yet if Merkaba360 is on the right track, these changes may dawn upon us sooner than later. I like to think they will. We know this stuff exists, hell, high school kids made cars that can go 10,000 miles on a gallon of water. It’s coming. As far as adversity and struggle being needed to fight off apathy in such a free and evolved society, I kind of resonate with what M360 described here:

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
I think of a more evolved state feeling something like ecstasy or shrooms. Regaining incredible energy like children have as well as feeling high powered love beaming out of our chests like care bears. I dont know that those problems of needing motivation thru struggle apply in higher states like they do now. We become driven by the pure light from within and apathy dissolves.

I hope so because I’m with you both when you say you’re tired of work and value your free time more than anything. “Imagine if you will, a world where you have time to enjoy your freedom..."

[Mike]

Raskolnikov, if you can spell Nietzsche's name from memory, you win my friend. It breaks my brain every time.

Surely someone out there is having an entertaining drinking game, using the word "hierarchy" as their cue to take a shot of this or that. I feel like I've written it a million times, and yet I continue to insist on putting the "e" before the "i" every time and autocorrect is forced to step in. This is happening much more often as I get older. I console myself by pretending I'm dyslexic, but the little devil on my shoulder will have none of it. You're just f#cking retarded, he keeps telling me. And I secretly feel he's right.

Re trauma: what you've described might be the most inventive approach I've ever heard. I had 3 traumas right in row in my mid to late 20's. Where the hell were you when I needed you?? Was that your own revelation or did you read about that approach somewhere? Cool stuff. I'd love to hear more about that if you're ever in the mood to share it.