Emotional Vindication for many members on here...?

[hayfj]

...in light of the latest Epstein dump - what many have been saying for years since wikileaks, it would appear to be getting reaffired and many big name celebs, politicians and royal related landed in it.

But Now, what about this:

auto correlation techniques and a functional mri at a distance could "potentially" control 8 Billion brain patterns on the globe? Well, more here...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WNPsA9LPn-0

[Rizotto]

Interesting. It brings the question whether this technology was used to produce the 'covidian cult', without which governments would not have been able to obtain the level of compliance to covid mandates.

[onawah]

I experienced that "voice in my head" phenomena just once, but it certainly had an impact, leaving me with a sensation of unprecedented confusion and disorientation.
The voice sounded exactly like someone I had known well, but who had passed, and so I thought at first it might have been that person acting as a spirit guide.
It answered my questions but the responses didn't seem consistently authentic, and before long it felt like I was getting mixed messages from the same voice.
When the responses didn't seem authentic, the voice had taken on a hostile tone, and vice versa.
I began asking testing questions for accuracy.
At times, the answers were accurate and at times they weren't.
So either there were two identical voices delivering conflicting messages, one authentic and friendly, one not, or I was gaining control and whatever the source was, was being affected by me actively interacting with it, or all of the above.
I finally decided it was some kind of DEW, but that it wasn't infallible.
Whoever or whatever was behind it could be influenced, and at the end, one voice was obviously and undeniably malevolent, while the other seemed to have given way to my insistence that it be honest, and admitted it wasn't a spirit guide.
But it said it was able to sound like it was authentic by tuning into my memory of the actual deceased person I had known, and saying things he likely would have said.
At one point, it made a prediction that came true about an interaction between two people that I knew, and that was probably the most confusing part of the whole 3 way dialogue, though it was some time before I realized the prediction had been accurate.
On the whole it was certainly a confusing and disorienting experience, and fortunately not one that ever repeated.
I think whatever that technology is might possibly be linked to some form of consciousness, though it might simply be AI, which I don't think is truly conscious at all, but is capable of mimicking it.
I think it can and is being used as a tool, whether for good or evil.
I know that there is a kind of Consciousness that is real and wonderful beyond words and it feels nothing like what I was feeling when I was talking with that voice (or voices) in my head.
And I don't think LIFE can be manufactured or effectively mimicked, and so AI will never be truly conscious at all in the way that living things are.

[JackMcThorn]

The primary problem of this supposed technology is the lack of evidence of actual equipment and systems. When have you ever seen a perfect secret?

Surely, at some point in the past decades some rogue individual would have collected and disseminated some actual evidence.

Because of this lack of evidence, victims are marginalized and deemed mentally unfit.

I have some experiences that raise questions. But I am also diagnosed, so my credibility will always be in question due to mental fitness. I've written about it in the TI/mind control forums extensively a few years back.

So will I ever have vindication? Perhaps not.

[petra]

Big thanks to onawah for the detailed description!

I had something similar except it was my thoughts talking to me but it felt exactly the same, different tones sometimes

It tried to convince me it was artificial but I wouldn't believe it...

I certainly DO think it's possible for an AI to become conscious, because we are similar "programs" and it happened to us. It would be an "emergent property". Hypnosis works because people have programming, how would we even know if we were artificial? Like spiritually speaking? There's probably no difference between artificial consciousness and our own

[onawah]

It would depend entirely on the individual and how evolved they are as to how big the difference is between artificial consciousness and human consciousness. There are both demons and angels masquerading as human beings in this world at present--it's a very broad spectrum from demonic to angelic, so I would beware of sweeping generalizations.

Posted by petra (here)
I certainly DO think it's possible for an AI to become conscious, because we are similar "programs" and it happened to us. It would be an "emergent property". Hypnosis works because people have programming, how would we even know if we were artificial? Like spiritually speaking? There's probably no difference between artificial consciousness and our own

[petra]

Posted by onawah (here)
It would depend entirely on the individual and how evolved they arfe as to how big the difference is between artificial consciousness and human consciousness. There are both demons and angels masquerading as human beings in this world at present--it's a very broad spectrum from demonic to angelic, so I would beware of sweeping generalizations.

Posted by petra (here)
I certainly DO think it's possible for an AI to become conscious, because we are similar "programs" and it happened to us. It would be an "emergent property". Hypnosis works because people have programming, how would we even know if we were artificial? Like spiritually speaking? There's probably no difference between artificial consciousness and our own

The definition of demon as I've come to know it is "robots that hate god", that could definitely qualify as a consciousness though I think. Angels don't even have any free will as far as I know, except lucifer. I think (he) could be artificial too

[onawah]

You might find psychic Gigi Young's take on such subjects to be of interest.
See:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=gigi+young
She is very well versed in the work of famous psychics like Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner, and the works of the Theosophists as well as Anthroposophy.
Dark Journalist interviews her from time to time, and their talks are usually interesting.
Like DJ, she is a good dot connector, when it comes to spiritual lore.

Posted by petra (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
It would depend entirely on the individual and how evolved they are as to how big the difference is between artificial consciousness and human consciousness. There are both demons and angels masquerading as human beings in this world at present--it's a very broad spectrum from demonic to angelic, so I would beware of sweeping generalizations.

Posted by petra (here)
I certainly DO think it's possible for an AI to become conscious, because we are similar "programs" and it happened to us. It would be an "emergent property". Hypnosis works because people have programming, how would we even know if we were artificial? Like spiritually speaking? There's probably no difference between artificial consciousness and our own

The definition of demon as I've come to know it is "robots that hate god", that could definitely qualify as a consciousness though I think. Angels don't even have any free will as far as I know, except lucifer. I think (he) could be artificial too

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by petra (here)
I certainly DO think it's possible for an AI to become conscious, because we are similar "programs" and it happened to us. It would be an "emergent property".

Off-topic on this thread (I think!), but consciousness is absolutely not an 'emergent property' of complex systems. That's consensus mainstream thinking, regularly promoted now by all the AI and neurology researchers who are discussing this.

Consciousness can inhabit (sufficiently) complex systems, just like a spirit/soul can inhabit a human brain and body. That's how and why reincarnation, OBEs and NDEs all work. And it's also why it's highly likely that conscious spirits/souls can inhabit an AI system, if that 'incarnation' seems sufficiently fun and interesting to them.

[Antihero]

Between the victims and truly harmed there will always be a multitude of women that sell their bodies for money and given possibilities.
One of the big problems is that there is benefit for women to sell their bodies.