Understanding the timescale of Kali Yuga.

[Agape]

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
That is actually very funny! There sure is lots of melodrama at this level.....but maybe dreamtime has dramas of its own, i.e. the onion effect - an enigma wrapped inside a mystery etc.

The prophecy is...they will finally merge again together and resolve the whole situation..though that may take long time in total ..

[Ahkenaten]

ah yes Time..................we are back to that again.

[Agape]

There are many big time, big scale visions that contain some truth but they can be still erroneous and so also our view evolves including the underlying faith of why we are here.
At the same time, our most immediate reality mirrors the ultimate state of what matters..

[bashi]

The time-scale of the Yugas by Jnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri is clearly pointed out in his book "The Holy Science".

This book was written according to his findings within the astral and spiritual realms.
As Sri Y. was a Yogi who could materialize his body at will at any place, his findings should not be brushed aside, just like that.

He actually points out the mistake made in the historic Yuga calculations. He identifies the time, circumstances and reason why the mistake has been made, which ended then up counting 100.000's of years. This mistake has been copied (or copy-pasted) since then by (pseudo)scholars.

According to Sri Y. the Kali-Yuga was in the time of 499 A.D. - 1599 A.D.
Then there was a 100 year transition period.
Then at 1699 A.D. the Dwapara - Yuga started, which will last till 4000 A.D.
Then in 4099 A.D. the Treta - Yuga will start.

The "dark age" after the fall of the Roman Empire falls exactly into his scheme. We are out of that, moving within the more positive Dwapara-Yuga, going to.....where?

2012 is not mentioned anywhere in his book.
So, there is no emphasis on 2012 either in the (wrong) counting nor in the scheme of Sri Y.

The book "The Holy Science" was written 1894 and published 1949.

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[Metaphor]

Am I the only one who dont wanna spend another 426 887 years in here?

[aroundthetable]

Posted by Metaphor (here)
Am I the only one who dont wanna spend another 426 887 years in here?

Lololol!!! No your not!! The intelligent choice is to get out asap!! Beyond the cycle of birth and death

[greybeard]

My parents said "life is what you make it"

Accepting that there are Yugas where the energy is different,
However life is good when that mind set is employed regardless of the Yuga.
Why wait?
c

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks to Icecold, for the giving us the definitive breakdown of Kali Yuga according to the Vedas. I fully concur with his stats.

The Vedas are full of many volumes of precise, detailed information dealing with every aspect of human life. Whether or not one chooses to take them as allegorical is a matter of personal choice.

Thanks also to Truthseekerdan, for kindly posting the wonderful video outlining the predicted 'Golden Age', which began approx 500 years ago with the advent of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (same time as 'the Renaissance').

As usavoury as the age of Kali is, individuals from upper planetary systems are said to be taking birth on this planet, desiring to take full advantage of, and assist in the birth of, the great evolution of consciousness now taking place here.

The Vedas indeed state that there did exist a worldwide shared culture, so it isn't difficult to see how Mayan culture could be linked to the Vedic culture. Fellow Avalonian (and scholar), Bryn ap Gwilym, can attest to links between pre-Celtic culture and Vedic culture, and there is also much archival archeological research (on this site!) to support this.

I agree that this is a very important discussion point. Thanks to everyone who has posted here.
It takes time to compose a coherent post, and I believe we all do so with the welfare and benefit of others in mind.
Sometimes wires get crossed and meanings get lost in the blog-type exchange...nevermind,
that's just Kali yuga at it again...trying to get us all to quarrel!

[Icecold]

athāsau yuga-sandhyāyāḿ
dasyu-prāyeṣu rājasu
janitā viṣṇu-yaśaso
nāmnā kalkir jagat-patiḥ

TRANSLATION

Thereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Viṣṇu Yaśā. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers.

PURPORT

Here is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Godhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Tretā, Dvāpara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukṣetra and the end of the regime of King Parīkṣit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The name of His father, Viṣṇu Yaśā, a learned brāhmaṇa, and the village Śambhala are also mentioned. As above mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to be factual in chronological order. That is the authority of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Source:
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.3.25


based on Vedic scriptures we are now in the age of Kali. that is related to both the astral calendar and practical experience (symptoms of Kali are clearly visible). Technically we are still in the yuga-sandhya period (overlap of the yugas) and some symptoms of Dvapara yuga are still visible as well.


Use your common sense. what are the symptoms of each yuga? look around you and decide what yuga we are in.

Kaliyuga as mentioned in Hindu scriptures is the present era in which we are living. It is said to have started a little more than 5000 years
ago, after War of Mahabharata.

Vishnu Puran & Kalki Puran give amazing descrption about Kaliyuga.
Though these Puranas were written long back (more than 5000 yrs), yet we
will see astonoshing similarities between the actual world today and
Kaliyuga menioned in those puranas. Some excerpts:-

"Those who are known as twice-born (Brahmins) are devoid of the Vedas,
narrow-minded and always engaged in the service of the Sudras (low-born
castes);
they are fond of carnal desires, seller of religion, seller of the
Vedas, untouchable and seller of juices; they sell meat, are cruel,
engaged in sexual gratification and gratification of their appetite,
attached to others' wives, drunk and producer of cross-breeds;
They have a low life-span, mix with lowly people and consider their
brother-in-law as the only friend.
They like constant confrontation and are fond of argument, discontent,
fond of jewellery, hair and style.
The wealthy are respected as high-born and Brahmins are respected only
if they are lenders;
Men are merciful only when they are unable to harm others; express
displeasure towards the poor; talk excessively to express erudition and
carry out religious work to be famous;
Monks are attached to homes in this Kali Age and the homeless are devoid
of any morality;
Men of this age deride their teachers, display false religious affinity
but tricks the good people;
Sudras in Kali are always engaged in taking over others' possessions;
in Kali, marriage takes place simply because the man and the woman agree
to do so;
Men engages in friendship with the crooked and show magnanimity while
returning favours;
Men are considered pious only if they are wealthy and treat only
far-away waters (lands) as places of pilgrimage;
Men are considered Brahmins simply because they have the sacred thread
around their body and as explorers, simply because they have a stick in
their hand;
the Earth becomes infertile, rivers hit the banks,
wives take pleasure in speaking like prostitutes and their minds are not
attracted towards their husbands;
Brahmins become greedy for others' food,
the low-born castes are not averse to becoming priests,
wives mix freely even after they become widows; the clouds release rain
irregularly,
the land becomes infertile, the kings kill their subjects, the people
are burdened with taxes;
they survive by eating honey, meat, fruits and roots; in the first
quarter of the Koli Age, people deride God; in the second quarter,
people do not even pronounce God's name; in the third quarter, men
become cross-breeds;
in the fourth quarter, men become the same (uniform) breed;
nothing called race exists anymore; they forget God and pious works
become extinct.
~ Kalki Purana, I[1], Verses 23-38

Kali Yuga

Kali Yuga is the fourth age in each Maha Yuga. Kali means quarrel and war. This is the dark age. Dharrna has to stand on only one of its four feet, and virtue barely exists. This age is only one-fourth the length of the Krita Yuga (432,000 years).

Vishnu is still the presiding god, in his form of Shiva-Rudra, the destroyer of life on earth.

In the Kali Yuga people achieve noble rank in society based on the amount of money and property they own rather than their moral virtue. The quality of virtue is measured only in terms of material wealth. Sexual passion alone binds husband and wife together in marriage. People become successful in life through a succession of lies, and their only source of enjoyment is sex. They live with continuous fear of hunger, disease, and death.

In the Kali Yuga only the poor are honest, and the only remaining virtue is charity.

Harsh weather and primitive living conditions make them prey to devastating illnesses.

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ankhenaten

....It is actually very dangerous for people to provide spiritual advice of any kind whatsoever without the proper credentials. That is a fact. It is possible that naive people could be misled one way or another, people must remain very skeptical and vigilant at all times especially concerning matters related to history and human spirituality.

i second that and say: take it with a hefty pinch of salt - all this expert sounding vedic interpretations... l

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[greybeard]

While we are in embodiment we have Cosmic Law relating to this incarnation.
The Yugas are part of this, however when the body is left behind all of the past "life" is seen as trivial so no need to get het up about anything
( unless you want to)
It will all seem like a dream soon enough.
The cosmic dance.

Namaste

[Icecold]

Thank you Paul.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks again to Icecold for the nice diagrams...very much appreciated.

Thanks also for the shastric references to Kali Yuga. The Srimad Bhagavatam also foretold the advent of Lord Buddha at least 1000 years before it occurred, including the name of the village he took birth in and the name of his mother, Anjana.

There is something very wonderful about Kali yuga, despite it's apparent depravities. The 10,000 year Golden Age will be a time of burgeoning consciousness and liberation for any soul interested in spiritual evolution...a great opportunity for everyone!

[Lettherebelight]

Icecold has presented using many direct references to the Vedas. The term 'Kali Yuga' is itself a vedic term.

"The Vedas are full of many volumes of precise, detailed information dealing with every aspect of human life. Whether or not one chooses to take them as allegorical is a matter of personal choice."
--an earlier post

[truthseekerdan]

"The Vedas are full of many volumes of precise, detailed information dealing with every aspect of human life. Whether or not one chooses to take them as allegorical is a matter of personal choice."

Most of what one would read in the old scriptures (i.e. Bible, Qur'an, etc.) is allegorical, because it was meant for people (spiritual) with "eyes to see" and "ears to hear"...

Namaste

[Lettherebelight]

I would agree, Truthseekerdan, that the scriptures you mention in many instances may have been intended to be taken allegorically.

Maybe this is becoming a 'spiritual' discussion...

[Icecold]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
I would agree, Truthseekerdan, that the scriptures you mention in many instances may have been intended to be taken allegorically.

Maybe this is becoming a 'spiritual' discussion...

Thank you for your comments Lettherebelight. I am aware that you are a student of the Vedic scriptures and therefore have a greater appreciation and understanding of the material.


The thread has become an argument from desire vs. an argument from content of scriptural material. Obviously many despair over the possibility that the length of Kali Yuga was defined many thousands of years ago by enlightened beings who were seeking the enlightenment of their fellow humans. We are truly in the age of Kali where such thoughts are disregarded as myth. It is interesting that all such texts are regarded as myths unless it serves some agenda. Various human agendas have been instrumental in this view for a very long time.


Some further "myths" knowledge from the vedic texts......

Modern physics is not the first to identify sound as the primordial energy that operates the universe. Ancient Vedic texts describe sound as the energy that runs through all life, the essence of creation. The original tone is "om," what Hindu tradition calls the sound of God. The Bible also begins with the beginning. "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was God," it says. That word was a sound of course. Other creation myths are similar. Mayan lore says that the original sounds were so powerful they could split rock, suggesting that was how temples like Machu Pichu and Uxmal were built. Egyptian myth includes the god Thot, said to have created the world with the power of his voice alone. Many primal languages, including Kung and Dogon of Africa, use the same word for "sound" and "creator." Hopi Indian tradition describes Spider Woman, who created the world by singing over it.

Will they challenge this idea too or be selective?


The mention of airplanes is found many times throughout Vedic literature, including the following verse from the Yajur-Veda describing the movement of such machines:
"O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on water by our experts, and airplanes, moving and flying upward, after the clouds that reside in the mid-region, that fly as the boats move on the sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both air and lightening. (Yajur Veda, 10.19)
Vimanas.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...vimanas_2a.htm

Will they challenge this idea too or be selective?


Belief in self manifestation of Vedas history.



“Brahma produced the eternal scriptures, Rigved, Yajurved, Samved, Atharvaved and also the Puranas which are like the fifth Ved.”

[Icecold]

Science supports the Vedic Scriptures.......

The Vedas and Puranas, were revealed second time 6,000 years ago centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists.

Shape of Earth is like an Oblate Spheroid. (Rig VedaXXX. IV.V)

‘Earth is flattened at the poles’ (Markandeya Purana 54.12)

"Sixty-four centuries before Isaac Newton, the Hindu Rig-Veda asserted that gravitation held the universe together. The Sanskrit speaking Aryans subscribed to the idea of a spherical earth in an era when the Greeks believed in a flat one. The Indians of the fifth century A.D. calculated the age of the earth as 4.3 billion years; scientists in 19th century England were convinced it was 100 million years."

Now lets see what Hindu scriptures say about the movement of earth:

"Earth rotates in two ways by the Will of Brahama, first it rotates on its axis secondly it revolves around sun. Days and Nights are distinguished when moves on its axis. Season change when it revolves around Sun". (Vishnu Puran)

"There are suns in all directions, the night sky being full of them." (Rig Veda)

Hinduism is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. The Hindu literature is work of a Genius.


It looks like that the writers of Vedas and Puran came from the future to deliver knowledge. The works of the Ancient Arya Sages is mind blowing. There is no doubt that Purans and Vedas are word of God.
(Scott Sandford , Space Scientist, NASA)
(Dr. Steinn Sigurdsson, Pennsylvania State University)


How could Hindus (Aryas) have possibly known all this 6,000 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment which did not exist at that time? Such concepts were found only recently.
(Dr. Kevin Hurley of the University of California at Berkeley)


Blue Sky is Nothing but scattered sunlight (Markandeya Purana 78.8)


Nothing in Brahmand is immovable (Sam Veda)

"NOTHING IS STATIC IN THIS WORLD NEITHER LIVING OR NON LIVING". (Brahmand Puran)

"Earth is divided in many plates as much as 14 of them in present Manavatara." (Brahmand Purana)


OZONE LAYER

Protection of Earth

After the formation of the earth planet, Brahama created atmosphere in group of seven , from that formation oceans began to exist, and the first form of life appeared on the earth planet. Atmosphere was created as protective skin of earth (Shrimad Bhagwatam)

"Amazing isnt it Vedas and Puaran are divine source of knwoledg" said Dr. Donald Mitchell of the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory. It is hard to believe that these facts were already mentioned in hindu books thousands of years back, in the time when Human didnt knew much about Astronomy.

The Vishnu Purana gives a quite an accurate description of tides:
"In all the oceans the water remains at all times the same in quantity and never increases or diminishes; but like the water in a cauldron, which in consequence of its combination with heat, expands, so the waters of the ocean swell with the increase of the Moon. The waters, although really neither more nor less, dilate or contract as the Moon increases or wanes in the light and dark fortnights"

It looks like all these modern day western scientists who come up with these theories/scientific facts have vedic scriptures in their home since all these new scientific theories/discoveries have their basis in scriptures.


Albert Einstein the most gifted/intelligent scientist ever said this about hindu scriptures " “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."


J. Robert Oppenheimer, American nuclear physicist (1904-1967), said,
"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. . . . Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"---> from bhagvad Gita

Oppenheimer "the father of the atomic bomb" quoting from the Hindu scripture Bhagavad-Gita upon witnessing the mushroom cloud resulting from the detonation of the world’s first atomic bomb in New Mexico, U.S.A., on July 16, 1945.
“Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries. “



The opposing view would have you believe that the Vedic Scriptures are myths and legends. The world's greatest thinkers reject that view, for they were not followers of some childish agenda, but seekers of truth.



‘Tap scientific knowledge in Vedic scriptures'



Staff Reporter
TIRUPATI: Former Executive Officer and advisor to TTD, P.V.R.K. Prasad, has called upon the scholars to look beyond merely chanting hymns and unravel the science hidden in Vedic scriptures and utilise it for common good.

“Majority have a misconception that Vedas belong only to a section of the community. Sri Venkateswara Vedic University (SVVU) has the responsibility of clearing the fallacy among the public minds.

In fact, the scientific aspects like mathematics, medicine, architecture etc. hidden in the Vedas should be deciphered and used for the benefit of common public,” he said.

He was addressing the ‘Veda Vidya Yuva Chatra Samaroham 2010', the three-day conclave of Vedic students conducted by SVVU.
http://www.hindu.com/2010/11/24/stor...2460020300.htm

Conclusion

In short, the foregoing pages make it clear that it was this Christian and Judaic prejudice which:

(a) ...did not allow the real dates of ancient Bharatiya history to be accepted by the occidental scholars, who were always reluctant to give the Vedas a higher antiquity than the earliest portion of the Old Testament and place them beyond 2500 B.C.55

Even the school of Paul Deussen, A.W. Ryder and H. Zimmer, which followed Schopenhauer in the appreciation of ancient Indian intellect, but which did not work directly on chronology, could not throw off the burden of these extremely unscientific, fictitious dates.

(b) ...gave rise to the two interrelated diseases of Western Indologists; firstly the disease of myth, mythical and mythology, according to which Brahma, Indra, Vishnu, Parvat, Narada, Kashyapa, Pururavas, Vasishta and a host of other ancient sages have been declared as mythical. Nobody ever tried to understand their true historical character apprehending that the dates of Bharatiya history would go to very ancient periods; and secondly, as a corollary to the above, the disease of 'attribution' and 'ascription', under which the works of these and other sages have been declared to be written by some very late anonymous persons who are said to have ascribed or attributed them to those 'mythical' sages.

(c) ...brought to the fore-front, the most fanciful and groundless theory of the migration of the Aryans into India, according to which the very existence of Manu, the first Crowned King of Bharat, Egypt etc., Ikshvaku, Manu's glorious son; Bharata Chakravarti, the glorious son of Shakuntala; Bhagiratha, who changed the course of the Ganga; Kuru, after whom the sacred sacrificial land is called Kurukshetra; Rama, the son of Dasharatha and a number of other kings is being totally denied.

(d) ...was responsible for the altogether wrong translations of Vaidika (Vedic) works, and misrepresentation of the Vaidika culture.

(e) ...did not allow the acceptance of Sanskrit, as being the mother language of at least the Indo-European group; as at first very ably propounded by Franz Bopp, and often mentioned by ancient Indian authors.

We are not sorry for all this, for, nothing better could be expected from such biased foreign pioneers of Sanskrit studies.

With these brief remarks we earnestly pray that the light of truth may dawn on every thinking and learned man of Bharatavarsha, so that in these days of political and individual freedom he may shake off the yoke of intellectual slavery of the West." (Pt. Bhagavan Dutt. A Review Of "Beef In Ancient India", pages 17-38.)

Verses Worthy Of Attention

"Through astronomy, geography and geology, go though to all the different countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain through good preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical science obtain knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics learn the different uses of water, through electricity understand the working of ever-lustrous lightning. Carry out instructions willingly..."(Yajur Veda 6:21.)(Stephen Knapp. 1986. The Secret Teachings of the Vedas, p. 26.)

"O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on water by our experts, and airplanes, moving and flying upward, after the clouds that reside in the mid-region, that fly as the boats move on the sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both air and lightning." (Yajur Veda 10:19.)(Stephen Knapp. 1986. The Secret Teachings of the Vedas, p. 26.)

"The Atomic Energy fissions the ninety-nine elements, covering its path by the bombardments of neutrons without let of hindrance. Desirous of stalking the head, i.e., the chief part of the swift power, hidden in the mass of molecular adjustments of the elements, this atomic energy approaches it in the very act of fissioning it by the above-noted bombardments. Herein verily the scientist know the similar hidden striking force of the ray of the sun working in the orbit of the moon." (Arthava Veda, 20:41:1-3.)(Stephen Knapp. 1986. The Secret Teachings of the Vedas, p. 26.)

Friedrich Maximilian Müeller (1823-1900) German philologist and Orientalist: "In the Rig-Veda we shall have before us more real antiquity than in all the inscriptions of Egypt or Ninevah....the Veda is the oldest book in existence...."


Sir John Woodroffe (1865-1936) the well known scholar, Advocate-General of Bengal and sometime Legal Member of the Government of India. He served with competence for eighteen years and in 1915 officiated as Chief Justice: "Ages before Lamarck and Darwin it was held in India that man has passed through 84 lakhs (8,400,000) of birth as plants, animals, as an "inferior species of man" and then as the ancestor of the developed type existing to-day. The theory was not, like modern doctrine of evolution, based wholly on observation and a scientific enquiry into fact but was a rather (as some other matters) an act of brilliant intuition in which observation may also have had some part."

"To the philosophers of India, however, Relativity is no new discovery, just as the concept of light years is no matter for astonishment to people used to thinking of time in millions of kalpas, (A kalpa is about 4,320,000 years). The fact that the wise men of India have not been concerned with technological applications of this knowledge arises from the circumstance that technology is but one of innumerable ways of applying it."



Count Maurice Maeterlinck (1862-1949) was a Belgian writer of poetry, a wide variety of essays. He won the 1911 Nobel Prize for literature. In his book Mountain Paths, says: "he falls back upon the earliest and greatest of Revelations, those of the Sacred Books of India with a Cosmogony which no European conception has ever surpassed."

Mr. Thorton, in his book History of British India, states: " Hindus are indisputably entitled to rank among the most ancient of existing nations, as well as among those most early and most rapidly civilized....ere yet the Pyramids looked down upon the Valley of the Nile... when Greece and Italy, these cradles of modern civilization, housed only the tenants of the wilderness, India was the seat of wealth and grandeur..."

Marquis Pierre Simon de Laplace ( 1749-1827) French mathematician, philosopher, and astronomer, a contemporary of Napoleon. Laplace is best known for his nebular hypothesis of the origin of the solar system. wrote:"Nevertheless the ancient reputation of the Indians does not permit us to doubt that they have always cultivated astronomy, and the remarkable exactness of the mean motions which they assign to the Sun and the Moon necessarily required very ancient observation."

Yaqubi, Shiite historian, wrote in the ninth century: "Hindu are more exact in astronomy and astrology than any other people."

Carl Sagan, in his book, Cosmos asserts that the Dance of Nataraja (Tandava) signifies the cycle of evolution and destruction of the cosmic universe (Big Bang Theory): "It is the clearest image of the activity of God which any art or religion can boast of." Modern physics has shown that the rhythm of creation and destruction is not only manifest in the turn of the seasons and in the birth and death of all living creatures, but also the very essence of inorganic matter.
For modern physicists, then, Shiva's dance is the dance of subatomic matter. Hundreds of years ago, Indian artist created visual images of dancing Shiva's in a beautiful series of bronzes. Today, physicist have used the most advanced technology to portray the pattern of the cosmic dance. Thus, the metaphor of the cosmic dance unifies, ancient religious art and modern physics. The Hindus, according to Monier-Williams, were Spinozists more than 2,000 years before the advent of Spinoza, and Darwinians many centuries before Darwin and Evolutionists many centuries before the doctrine of Evolution was accepted by scientists of the present age.
"The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still."

Fritjof Capra (1939 - ) Austrian-born famous theoretical high-energy physicist and ecologist wrote: "Modern physics has thus revealed that every subatomic particle not only performs an energy dance, but also is an energy dance; a pulsating process of creation and destruction. The dance of Shiva is the dancing universe, the ceaseless flow of energy going through an infinite variety of patterns that melt into one another’’.For the modern physicists, then Shiva’s dance is the dance of subatomic matter. As in Hindu mythology, it is a continual dance of creation and destruction involving the whole cosmos; the basis of all existence and of all natural phenomenon. Hundreds of years ago, Indian artists created visual images of dancing Shivas in a beautiful series of bronzes. In our times, physicists have used the most advanced technology to portray the patterns of the cosmic dance."

Professor Arthur Holmes (1895-1965) geologist, professor at the University of Durham. He writes regarding the age of the earth in his great book, The Age of Earth (1913) as follows:
"Long before it became a scientific aspiration to estimate the age of the earth, many elaborate systems of the world chronology had been devised by the sages of antiquity. The most remarkable of these occult time-scales is that of the ancient Hindus, whose astonishing concept of the Earth's duration has been traced back to Manusmriti, a sacred book."

[Icecold]

Kali is portrayed mostly in two forms: the popular four-armed form and the ten-armed Mahakali form. In both of her forms, she is described as being black in color but is most often depicted as blue in popular Indian art. Her eyes are described as red with intoxication, and in absolute rage, her hair is shown disheveled, small fangs sometimes protrude out of her mouth, and her tongue is lolling. She is often shown naked or just wearing a skirt made of human arms and a garland of human heads. She is also accompanied by serpents and a jackal while standing on a seemingly dead Shiva, usually right foot forward to symbolize the more popular Dakshinamarga or right-handed path, as opposed to the more infamous and transgressive Vamamarga or left-handed path.[30]
In the ten-armed form of Mahakali she is depicted as shining like a blue stone. She has ten faces and ten feet and three eyes. She has ornaments decked on all her limbs. There is no association with Shiva.[31]
The Kalika Purana describes Kali as possessing a soothing dark complexion, as perfectly beautiful, riding a lion, four-armed, holding a sword and blue lotuses, her hair unrestrained, body firm and youthful.[32]
In spite of her seemingly terrible form, Kali Ma is often considered the kindest and most loving of all the Hindu goddesses, as she is regarded by her devotees as the Mother of the whole Universe. And, because of her terrible form she is also often seen as a great protector. When the Bengali saint Ramakrishna once asked a devotee why one would prefer to worship Mother over him, this devotee rhetorically replied, "Maharaj, when they are in trouble your devotees come running to you. But, where do you run when you are in trouble?"[33]
According to Ramakrishna, darkness is the Ultimate Mother, or Kali:
My Mother is the principle of consciousness. She is Akhanda Satchidananda; indivisible Reality, Awareness, and Bliss. The night sky between the stars is perfectly black. The waters of the ocean depths are the same; The infinite is always mysteriously dark. This inebriating darkness is my beloved Kali.
-Sri Ramakrishna
Throughout her history artists the world over have portrayed Kali in myriad poses and settings, some of which stray far from the popular description, and are sometimes even graphically sexual in nature. Given the popularity of this Goddess, artists everywhere will continue to explore the magnificence of Kali's iconography. This is clear in the work of such contemporary artists as Charles Wish, and Tyeb Mehta, who sometimes take great liberties with the traditional, accepted symbolism, but still demonstrate a true reverence for the Shakta sect.





She is often depicted naked which symbolizes her being beyond the covering of Maya since she is pure (nirguna) being-consciousness-bliss and far above prakriti. She is shown as very dark as she is brahman in its supreme unmanifest state. She has no permanent qualities — she will continue to exist even when the universe ends. It is therefore believed that the concepts of color, light, good, bad do not apply to her — she is the pure, un-manifested energy, the Adi-shakti.

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This has been a great presentation, Icecold and has made me aware of a clarity and advancement of science that were only hinted at in past reading of the Vedas.