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    Quote Posted by Moxie (here)
    It isn’t negative energy to speak out against deception and manipulative control, or to refuse to support it. That’s taking a stand for freedom and exercising empowerment.

    And it's the ultimate New Agey concept that to think of something equates to giving it energy. That if you don't think about something, it ceases to exist or have impact in the world. That kind of thinking is a "feel good" world and lacks action.

    Moxie,

    you are right.

    Truth has to be told.

    So far in this thread we were agreeing about many things and a lot of good stuff emerged on the light of the day,until I or RedeZra or Greybeard or Truthseekerdan mentioned Bible.

    As you may have noticed ,for my self I do not belong to any religion.
    But very surprising to me is that many bash Bible and haven`t even read it.

    Why is that so?

    What are people afraid of?
    Why so many arguments against Jesus or Yeshua? Endless talks was he or were he or did he...???

    Did someone read what is written in the Bible about what he was saying?
    Or people copy paste hearsays ???

    Or people lack the courage to face the words of Jesus...
    I don`t need David Icke to tell me (I respect the guy BTW ) that I need to free my self from grid and matrix!
    I read that from Jesus`s words written in Bible a long time ago...before Internet came.
    I don`t want to be rude but HELLO!!!

    Is anyone listening nowadays???

    Religions are the ones which brought a lot of evil,did Bible did it?
    They used it as excuse to DO THEIR bidding ! It was a CLOAK for their evil!

    In fact if you`d open the very Bible they claim for themselves, it would judge them swiftly!

    Religions and movements abused Bible and the message for ages...they still do it.

    I will repeat again ,new age is a spiritual program made for enslavement of certain level of human minds. Not for everyone but suitable lie for quasi awakened ones...

    P.S.
    Thedot, how come yesterday we had good talk about similar themes and today you say that RedeZra ,and I or even Graybeard or Dan are infiltrators?
    Why,because we said that we believe in Jesus? We respect Bible, we don`t agree with your view ? And we`re infiltrators?
    Did I pushed wrong buttons?
    I respect you and expect similar in return, but if you think what you think still, then the name of your magazine DOT CONNECTOR does not seem to work for you.

    Good luck with connecting the dots,picture is quite big with a lot of puzzle pieces.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    P.S.
    Thedot, how come yesterday we had good talk about similar themes and today you say that RedeZra ,and I or even Graybeard or Dan are infiltrators?
    Why,because we said that we believe in Jesus? We respect Bible, we don`t agree with your view ? And we`re infiltrators?
    Did I pushed wrong buttons?
    I respect you and expect similar in return, but if you think what you think still, then the name of your magazine DOT CONNECTOR does not seem to work for you.

    Good luck with connecting the dots,picture is quite big with a lot of puzzle pieces.
    Beren,

    First, I never said, or even thought, anything negative about Greybeard, and, sorry, I don't know any person nicknamed "Dan" here and thus coudn't say anything at all about him.

    Also, I've never said I "believe in Jesus". I don't "believe" in anything. Like Greybeard, I prefer knowing to believeing. I like Jesus and his message as I perceive them, but for me he is a generic personage, a hero in a series of highly educative novels, nothing more.

    I do respect the Bible as a historical document to study, but not as a "word of God" to follow blindly. As I wrote many times here, I definitely reject Biblical idea of God as a king and creator, and of the human race as his creation and sheep.

    Being adversaries doesn't exclude respect. I consider you an adversary, not an enemy, so I have no reasons to disrespect you. At the same time, it is hard not to see that what you promote in your posts is exactly what the New Age philosophy is based upon. Seeing your irrefutable competence in religions, I can't believe you're doing it unwittingly. If you admitted it, there would be no reason to call it "infiltration", but you are denying it. Even in the above message you say you "do not belong to any religion", that "new age is a ... suitable lie", all while promoting and advocating the key elements of both religion and the New Age doctrine in your other posts. This is exactly how Mme Blavatsky and her followers proceeded, and how modern evangelists proceed. They start with rejecting and criticizing a concept in general and then, surreptitiously and gradually, one by one, introduce the key elements of the same concept, so that it will take final form already in the listeners' heads, as their own idea. In this thread you've started by agreeing with the author of the initial post, and then, almost immediately, passed to your own topic, thus taking the discussion away from its original subject. Sorry, but the Oxford American Dictionary defines it as "infiltration", and those doing it "infiltrators". It's in this, "dictionary" sense that I used this word, with no allusions to CIA, KGB or other "bad guys".

    As for the Dot Connector... You certainly know the game this expression comes from. Contrary to a puzzle, the idea in this game is not to connect all available dots, but to choose only those that will result in a picture. All other dots are there just to make this task more difficult. Connecting them all, without selecting ones and rejecting others, would result in a dense and formless grid, not in a clear picture. And since there's no one but me in the magazine, I'm alone to make the selection.
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    Respecting the wishes of Star I posted on the ego somethings I thought relevant. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e=16#post21464
    Communication is only a small percent by language.
    I believe we would find if we were face to face there would be no adversary.
    There are important dots that cant be joined on an internet forum.
    I believe we all want the same thing we only differ in the way we perceive it can be accomplished.
    Being spiritual is not complacent but taking right action.
    World war two could have been avoided if Churchill had been listened to. Chamberlain was naive and therefore millions die.
    I am pro active not reactive -- I do what is possible for me to do.
    Please look at the part of the thread I have posted as it contains my possible solution to the larger picture,
    Please leave comments there.
    Regards Chris
    Ps The bible was written by men.
    According to Dr Hawkins Revelations was channeled from the lower Astral therefore it was infiltrated.
    The first two "commandments" are all that is needed to bring a peacful world. Jeus promote love and was proactive. He spoke from Christ consciousness. One translation of devil is EGO.
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    Quote Posted by stardustaquarion
    I know I will methaforically get crucified for this but some years ago

    when I was studiying with the gnostics I read that Jesus stands for Zeus and it was a way to

    incorporate the Roman paganism into the watered down Krystian texts. It appears that Costantine

    had a hand on that. When one refers to the old history there is no logic when a blood thirsty

    man like Costantine suddenly changes his habits for no gain. We know all the rulers are all

    descendants of the same families and they do not change their habits for "free"

    Im sorry Star but I have to comment on this


    the Church is not the biggest baddest wolf - but it's certainly no innocent kitten either

    the State kicked the Church to the curve a long time ago

    the plan for world domination was probably plotted in the Lodges top floors


    let's take a quick basic look at the Church up til today



    Constantine I ended an almost 3 centuries long persecution of Christians in 313

    his mom Helena was a Christian and she journeyed to Jerusalem in 325 to locate relics of the Judeo-Christian tradition and to build churches upon sites which commemorated the life of Jesus
    according to tradition she recovered remnants of the cross and the nails when excavating at
    Golgotha - and there Constantine built a basilica - where the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
    still stands

    in Rome Constantine built the Old Saint Peter's Basilica on the spot where the Basilica of
    Saint Peter stands today

    Constantine saw it as his duty to ensure that God was properly worshipped in his empire
    and what proper worship consisted of was for the Church to determine

    Constantine summoned a great ecumenical synod - First Council of Nicaea in 325 - in order to
    define the Church's position against the growing often widely diverging philosophical and
    theological interpretations of Christianity

    the Council of Rome in 382 established the first Biblical canon when it listed the accepted
    books of the Old and New Testament

    the papal coronation of the Frankish King Charlemagne as the Holy Roman Emperor in 800 created a paradigm of Western emperors imposing control over the popes

    in 1054 the Church split in the socalled East–West Schism
    the west remained a part of the Catholic Church while the eastern (Greek) branch became the
    Eastern Orthodox churches

    in 1095 Byzantine appealed to Pope Urban II for help against renewed Muslim invasions which
    caused Urban to launch the First Crusade aimed at aiding the Byzantine Empire and returning the
    Holy Land to Christian control

    in 1209 Pope Innocent III declared the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars a gnostic
    Christian sect in Languedoc

    in 1517 Martin Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses and the Church stood divided again -
    Catholic vs Protestant - and after a century of consecutive religious wars in Europe - it ended
    in 1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia

    in the latter part of the 17th century Pope Innocent XI reformed abuses that were occurring in
    the Church's hierarchy - simony nepotism and the lavish papal expenditures
    He promoted missionary activity and tried to unite Europe against the Turkish invasion and
    strongly condemned religious persecution

    the Age of Discovery saw the expansion of Western European power and culture
    the spreading of Catholicism to the Americas Asia and Oceania by explorers and missionaries

    Pope Alexander VI had awarded colonial rights over most of the newly discovered lands to Spain
    and Portugal - and the ensuing patronato system allowed state authorities and not the Vatican
    to control all clerical appointments in the new colonies

    although the Spanish monarchs tried to curb abuses committed against the Amerindians by
    explorers and conquerors Antonio de Montesinos- a Dominican friar- openly rebuked the Spanish
    rulers of Hispaniola in 1511 for their cruelty and tyranny in dealing with the American natives

    some historians blame the Church for not doing enough to liberate the Indians - others point to
    the Church as the only voice raised on behalf of indigenous peoples

    in 1521 the Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan made the first Catholic converts in the
    Philippines
    Portuguese missionaries under the Spanish Jesuit Francis Xavier evangelized in India China and
    Japan

    in 1597 the Shogunate in Japan launched a severe persecution of Christians

    despite Jesuit efforts in China the Chinese Rites controversy led the Kangxi Emperor to outlaw
    Christian missions in 1721
    these events added fuel to growing criticism of the Jesuits who were seen to symbolize the

    independent power of the Church and in 1773 European rulers united to force Pope Clement XIV to dissolve the order
    the Jesuits were eventually restored in the 1814 papal bull

    from the 17th century onward the Enlightenment questioned the power and influence of the Church over Western society
    eighteenth century writers such as Voltaire and the Encyclopedists wrote biting critiques of
    both religion and the Church

    the French Revolution of 1789 brought about a shifting of powers from the Church to the State
    destruction of churches and the establishment of a Cult of Reason

    in 1799 Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Italy imprisoning Pope Pius VI who died in captivity
    Napoleon later re-established the Catholic Church in France through the Concordat of 1801
    the end of the Napoleonic wars brought Catholic revival and the return of the Papal States

    the spread of the British Empire brought the first Catholics to Australasia with the arrival of
    Irish convicts at Sydney in 1788
    by the close of the century missionaries had taken Catholicism to the neighbouring islands of
    Oceania


    in Latin America a succession of anti-clerical regimes came to power beginning in the 1830s
    Church properties were confiscated bishoprics left vacant religious orders suppressed the
    collection of clerical tithes ended and clerical dress in public prohibited

    Pope Gregory XVI challenged the power of the Spanish and Portuguese monarchs by appointing his own candidates as colonial bishops
    he also condemned slavery and the slave trade in the 1839 papal bull In Supremo Apostolatus

    at the end of the 19th century Catholic missionaries followed colonial governments into Africa
    and built schools hospitals monasteries and churches

    in response to the social challenges of the Industrial Revolution Pope Leo XIII published the
    encyclical Rerum Novarum
    it set out Catholic social teaching in terms that rejected socialism but advocated the
    regulation of working conditions the establishment of a living wage and the right of workers to
    form trade unions


    the 20th century saw the rise of various politically radical and anti-clerical governments

    the 1926 Calles Law separating church and state in Mexico led to the Cristero War in which over
    3,000 priests were exiled or assassinated churches desecrated services mocked nuns raped and
    captured priests shot

    in the Soviet Union following the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution persecution of the Church and
    Catholics continued well into the 1930s
    in addition to the execution and exiling of clerics monks and laymen the confiscation of
    religious implements and closure of churches was common

    during the 1936–39 Spanish Civil War - the Red Terror - sections of nearly all the leftist
    groups killed tens of thousands of people - including 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy - as
    well as attacks on landowners industrialists politicians and desecration and burning of
    monasteries and churches

    the Spanish Catholic hierarchy has always claimed that there was a planned and systematic
    persecution of the Catholic Church by its enemies

    Pope Pius XI referred to these three countries as a "Terrible Triangle" and the failure to
    protest in Europe and the United States as a Conspiracy of Silence


    Pope Pius XI publicly condemned the Nazis' persecution of the Church and their ideology of
    neopaganism and racial superiority

    the Church condemned the invasion of Poland and subsequent 1940 Nazi invasions

    thousands of Catholic priests nuns and brothers were imprisoned and murdered throughout the
    areas occupied by the Nazis

    in the Holocaust Pope Pius XII directed the Church hierarchy to help protect Jews from the
    Nazis
    while Pius XII has been credited with helping to save hundreds of thousands of Jews by some
    historians - others assert that Pius did not do enough to stop Nazi atrocities

    postwar Communist governments in Eastern Europe severely restricted religious freedoms
    although some priests and religious collaborated with Communist regimes many were imprisoned
    deported or executed

    the Church would be an important player in the fall of communism in Europe




    read more about it here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church

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    There is no doubt that the new age movement is infiltrated.
    However if you were to ask my kids or the younger generation about new age they would scratch their head. It has long past its peak of interest.
    This generation is got at by the media entertainment.
    Not all media is unhealthy of course.
    Every single thing that promotes thinking for yourself, peace love harmony respect for others has been infiltrated by lower consciousness. that includes the bible particularly the old testament and revelations. The teaching of Jeus still shines through.

    I have addressed the subject in more detail on the ego thread to the best of my ability comments welcome there,
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    Why dose every thread lead to Jesus and the bible?

    Is it really that hard to stay on topic, without denouncing of affirming the bible or God?

    I love chocolate but I dont bring it to every single debate, no matter how creamy and delicous, or the wonderous variety of tastes, or the bitter sweet taste of dark chocolate, and by the way white chocolate is no really chocolate, and did you know that Cadburys add vegtable oil that really changes the taste, and if more people bought fair trade chocolate it could change the farmers lives and then theres..........

    I know you love Jesus and may you find joy in that love. But what has it got to do with the thread..Why not have a Thread on The Bible and others religous scriptures and debate the matter there.
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    It has to do with infiltration my friend.
    Chris
    Ps Ruis I have addressed as I said the topic from a different perspective in the ego thread as stated
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    Why dose every thread lead to Jesus and the bible?

    Is it really that hard to stay on topic, without denouncing of affirming the bible or God?

    I love chocolate but I dont bring it to every single debate, no matter how creamy and delicous, or the wonderous variety of tastes, or the bitter sweet taste of dark chocolate, and by the way white chocolate is no really chocolate, and did you know that Cadburys add vegtable oil that really changes the taste, and if more people bought fair trade chocolate it could change the farmers lives and then theres..........

    I know you love Jesus and may you find joy in that love. But what has it got to do with the thread..Why not have a Thread on The Bible and others religous scriptures and debate the matter there.
    Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the masters instead seek what they sought.

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    Redezra, the church is still very much in power and most of the wars being fought in the planet TODAY are religious ones.

    I respect that you believe but you don't respect what was the intention of this thread! Just so you know I am not answering any more of your posts. Lets agree to disagree and leave it there

    Faith and religion have always been excuses for war and what is happening in the USA is worriying, look at this and deny it if you want but it will not make it less real




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    hi Star
    I agree with you totally about religious wars and what is happening in America through mind control.
    Please check what I have written on ego thread recently it gets to the heart of the infiltration matter as I see it.
    Im not saying my perspective is correct but it worthy of a visit and your comment there.
    It is about information.
    The problem is massive and not just related to new Age its every segment of our life.
    Respectfully Chris
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    hi redezra, (re your post #164)
    briefly only - what point are you making? i believe the breakdown of historical events you list is factual,.. however, the interpretations as to why things happened the way they did vary greatly based on different authors' undestanding, saurces/commentaries they rely on, also their ambition/agenda.. . history is a very fickle science and .i'd just like to hear about your position in a few words.

    i’ll mention one instance - f hegel's - who did some substantial work on philosophy of history… his inability to classify the history of bysantians as it would not fit his pedantic system was pathetic....he called it a “hateful example of how weak a state can be”..and dropped it altogether...didn’t want to bother…

    in response to both yours and stardust’s comment (quote below):
    the history of bysantine emperors’ succession is extremely intricate and messy and in that sense i see why hegel meant what he meant – it’s an endless saga of intrigue, conspiracy, overthrow and assassination where bloodlines are ignored (for the most part or completely) … sorry stardust, i know this doesn’t fit your proposition…constantine is a good example of that – he came to prominence thanks to his military skills while being employed by his uncle who was already employed by bysantine court under high military ranking …no honouring of bloodlines there…you could call it nepotism.


    Quote Quote Originally Posted by stardustaquarion
    I know I will methaforically get crucified for this but some years ago

    when I was studiying with the gnostics I read that Jesus stands for Zeus and it was a way to

    incorporate the Roman paganism into the watered down Krystian texts. It appears that Costantine

    had a hand on that. When one refers to the old history there is no logic when a blood thirsty

    man like Costantine suddenly changes his habits for no gain. We know all the rulers are all

    descendants of the same families and they do not change their habits for "free"
    you won’t get rebutted by me, no..not sure about the evolution of jesus from zeus, but i support you a hundred per cent in your other proposition (highlighted) and i totally see how greek zeus and latin deus (older variant divus from phoenician div, from sanskrit devah) are the same term for an uber being)..it neither case this term refers to the supreme being which would be brahma in hindu patheon…for example….i think that it is fair to assume that when dues, div, zeus, devah is mentioned, it is to mean: one of the super beings and in that sense its use originally stems from polytheism/pagan traditions…the church subsequently gave it a different connotation like we know…

    greek influenced most eauropean languages , neither good nor bad just a fact… also a fact that greek corrupted a huge number of terms/words originating in sanskrit…partly because it does not differentiate successfully between some consonants….

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    Quote Posted by thedot (here)
    Beren,

    First, I never said, or even thought, anything negative about Greybeard, and, sorry, I don't know any person nicknamed "Dan" here and thus coudn't say anything at all about him.

    Also, I've never said I "believe in Jesus". I don't "believe" in anything. Like Greybeard, I prefer knowing to believeing. I like Jesus and his message as I perceive them, but for me he is a generic personage, a hero in a series of highly educative novels, nothing more.

    I do respect the Bible as a historical document to study, but not as a "word of God" to follow blindly. As I wrote many times here, I definitely reject Biblical idea of God as a king and creator, and of the human race as his creation and sheep.

    Being adversaries doesn't exclude respect. I consider you an adversary, not an enemy, so I have no reasons to disrespect you. At the same time, it is hard not to see that what you promote in your posts is exactly what the New Age philosophy is based upon. Seeing your irrefutable competence in religions, I can't believe you're doing it unwittingly. If you admitted it, there would be no reason to call it "infiltration", but you are denying it. Even in the above message you say you "do not belong to any religion", that "new age is a ... suitable lie", all while promoting and advocating the key elements of both religion and the New Age doctrine in your other posts. This is exactly how Mme Blavatsky and her followers proceeded, and how modern evangelists proceed. They start with rejecting and criticizing a concept in general and then, surreptitiously and gradually, one by one, introduce the key elements of the same concept, so that it will take final form already in the listeners' heads, as their own idea. In this thread you've started by agreeing with the author of the initial post, and then, almost immediately, passed to your own topic, thus taking the discussion away from its original subject. Sorry, but the Oxford American Dictionary defines it as "infiltration", and those doing it "infiltrators". It's in this, "dictionary" sense that I used this word, with no allusions to CIA, KGB or other "bad guys".

    As for the Dot Connector... You certainly know the game this expression comes from. Contrary to a puzzle, the idea in this game is not to connect all available dots, but to choose only those that will result in a picture. All other dots are there just to make this task more difficult. Connecting them all, without selecting ones and rejecting others, would result in a dense and formless grid, not in a clear picture. And since there's no one but me in the magazine, I'm alone to make the selection.

    Ok, I understand your point and disagree with some of your words ,but that's normal in conversation.
    Regarding infiltration ;
    I wrote about new age and its infiltration from spirits
    I wrote their purpose
    I explained wider contex and...

    I was said to stay on the topic???

    I do not understand how much more can we be on the topic than discussing about this.
    IT IS the main reason of infiltration from evil spirits and if you saw in videos that Stardust posted ,you would see.

    New age is new thought in 20 century ,heavily infiltrated from all sides.

    New age stuff is borrowing ideal from many movements and blending it in.

    You can not speak about all this unless you invoke all facts since view is not narrow.
    Ans as for patterns you wrote about from Blavatsky and others ... simply do not work for me. Analyzing this or that without grasping at whole picture will not lead you to anywhere.
    Oxford definitions also would not lead you anywhere.
    If can not grasp at big picture , I am afraid you do not realize where are we as human race.
    Sure , you can elaborate and eloquently describe all that you do here and you can have magazine (BTW I appreciate your effort about exposing stuff), you can quote many writers, you can post you tube videos you can do a lot.

    But it will not change a thing.
    Big picture is carrying strong impact on people and many choose to deliberately stay blind because they get afraid what they see,hence you got so many theories about this and that and what is going on.
    As you know lie is different on every level for one who do not seek truth genuinely.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Dr Hawkins in Power vs Force fully addresses this subject and offers the solution. He actively consults with open minded people who have an ability to make a difference. Change for the better is happening.
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    hi Star
    I agree with you totally about religious wars and what is happening in America through mind control.
    Please check what I have written on ego thread recently it gets to the heart of the infiltration matter as I see it.
    Im not saying my perspective is correct but it worthy of a visit and your comment there.
    It is about information.
    The problem is massive and not just related to new Age its every segment of our life.
    Respectfully Chris
    They are aware of the fact that the 'other side of the battery' ie us, is partially programmed for mind control. In other words we enjoy feeling and thinking similar things to others who we like or trust or identify with in other ways. The subliminal manipulation of this data stream that we connect with by default is the real key to mind control, the fact is that we are rather hard wired to be suseptible to it...In the sense we feel safer with standardised opinions. It takes a lot of willpower and infact learning to live with being wrong (as perceived by others) to get to a position to get a clear view. Unfortunately the vast majority have a negative affect on the like minded people one might find on a site like Avalon, we are not only resisting the manipulation of the powers that be, but we are also having to resist the amplification of these themes by the masses.

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    Dr Hawkins in Power vs Force fully addresses this subject and offers the solution. He actively consults with open minded people who have an ability to make a difference. Change for the better is happening.
    C

    hi grey
    i know you mean well
    but just like stardust, i am weary of the outside solution offerings..

    maybe you should start a new: dr hawkigs thread..

    kind regards l


    post update


    by the way, i am averse to dr hawkings's theory on how slaughter houses actually help the evolution of cows's souls - as he put it - the cows don't care, they just continue walking/existing in their etheric bodies...so that the oblivious double burger eaters don't have to think twice before tucking into their happy meal...l
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    Quote Posted by lightblue (here)

    hi grey
    i know you mean well
    but just like stardust, i am weary of the outside solution offerings..

    maybe you should start a new: dr hawkigs thread..

    kind regards l
    Thanks lightblue
    Whats your insider solution?
    How will it be implemented?
    What does it entail?

    Im open minded.
    Regards Chris
    ps my solution is internal.
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by K626 (here)
    we are not only resisting the manipulation of the powers that be, but we are also having to resist the amplification of these themes by the masses.

    Klove.
    This is an excellent observation!

    Reason for this heated debate on this thread is that PTB are under control of evil spirit entities. Spirits had unlocked some technologies and knowledge to PTB and now they blindly follow them.
    Wish of evil spirits is total slavery of man.

    Under their leadership ,PTB developed dozens upon dozens mind control techniques ,it's enough to turn on the TV and you're on!
    Level upon level of control is upon us.
    If you breach one level , there comes another to fight on.

    That's why this whole situation is alike rooting out the weed.
    Weed is in this case evil spirits.

    The one who do not see this ,simply do not know the facts!
    Stardust posted videos where new agers speak of this and spirits and entities who controlled them.

    Deception invoked powerful spirits for PTB ...

    Here lies root of the problem- how to block evil entities from their influence over us?
    They influence over PTB and their media,school,governments.

    Every pore of the society on earth is infected.

    I already wrote what is the only cure for blocking entities but... I get the feeling if I mention once more Christ that I will be stoned here.
    But at the end I can not and will not force anyone to anything, they must find the truth for themselves.
    And there is no my or your truth- the truth is only one.

    Evil Spirits knows that, Christ knows that, many knows that- do WE know that?
    Or we wander around quarreling?
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Quote Posted by K626 (here)
    They are aware of the fact that the 'other side of the battery' ie us, is partially programmed for mind control. In other words we enjoy feeling and thinking similar things to others who we like or trust or identify with in other ways. The subliminal manipulation of this data stream that we connect with by default is the real key to mind control, the fact is that we are rather hard wired to be suseptible to it...In the sense we feel safer with standardised opinions. It takes a lot of willpower and infact learning to live with being wrong (as perceived by others) to get to a position to get a clear view. Unfortunately the vast majority have a negative affect on the like minded people one might find on a site like Avalon, we are not only resisting the manipulation of the powers that be, but we are also having to resist the amplification of these themes by the masses.

    Klove.
    K you are always on the crux! and you are right. We are trained as babies to: love=reward, so seeking others to agree with us means "being loved". It is mind control no doubt


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