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    This is one interesting concept of life! But what we perceive may not be as real as it seems.. This theory states we are nothing but a model within a giant computer simulation which is ran by a super civilization from the future

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    Some people theorize that this program of life may actually be the work of an ancient civilization or even of extraterrestrial origin. Todays life could be an authentic simulation of what life was like thousands of years ago.. This would mean that we are experiencing 'fake events' which are orchestrated for the purpose of entertainment to these super-civilization which may not even be of human origin. To give you a good idea of this concept, it's important for you to understand that there is more than one dimension which 'plays' out different scenarios within the same world which has over a million different outcomes. Now this all seems impossible but when you read about these different theories: The String Theory, Quantum Mechanics and Time Travel. The world doesn't make sense, that's why scientists have been trying to figure out the mysteries of our world for decades.. Still to this day, no one has come up with any answers which would explain everything.. But could this theory make complete sense?


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    The idea of being trapped in cyberspace has been covered in the movie, Matrix but this same idea has been around for centuries. But it received a lot of publicity when Nick Bostrom from the Department of Philosophy at Oxford University wrote a scientific paper called: "Are You Living In A Computer Simulation" in 2001. He argues that we are really living in a computer simulation because these simulated individual could accurately mimic the real world at any given time in history to the tiniest level. His final version of this paper appeared in the Philosophical Quarterly (2003), Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255. He argues that at least one of the following propositions is true:

    (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.


    While reading this, you might find this complete crazy. But if you realize where we most of our technology from; you would find that there is much more advance equipment out there that has been 'Reseved-Engineered' from Alien technology which has crashed here on Earth. Think how small computer chips have gotten over the years.. Or all the other technology that has gotten smaller and faster as time goes on.. There is a missing link between all inventions! But Bostrum believes that super-civilizations are not even representing the full capacity of the actual capability of these 'super machines' which could make calculations up to the smallest particle in the Universe. He writes:

    “The computational power of a planetary-mass computer is 10^42 operations per second, and that assumes only already known nanotechnological designs, which are probably far from optimal. A single such computer could simulate the entire mental history of humankind (call this an ancestor-simulation) by using less than one millionth of its processing power for one second. A posthuman civilization may eventually build an astronomical number of such computers. We can conclude that the computing power available to a posthuman civilization is sufficient to run a huge number of ancestor-simulations even if it allocates only a minute fraction of its resources to that purpose.”


    Some would say that we are on this path towards technology that could create this computer simulation as I mentioned above. I mean each year we are doubling the speed of computer processors, we are creating much-more realistic video games and even 3D technology has just hit the shelves. Think about it, you can digitally render clouds, water, terrain, and people by using a computer. So why can't you render a entire universe?


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    Today's software (Poser 5) can create 3D images of landscapes, animals and even people! How long until software could create a 360 degree view of a simulated object? It's almost to the point where you would not be able to distinguish between real-life or this simulation world.. You can even animate the objects, to make them walk, talk and even seen like a real person in this digital created world! If you could do this with your home computer, imagine a couple years from now..


    Remember humans have feelings, emotions and personalities.. This simulation must be able to incorporate all these attributes both seamlessly and automatically! We already have 'robot-humans' called Artificial Intelligence which are copies of us humans which are used in research right now. But when will these A.I machines replace humans in this world? Not until everything, down to the the tiniest sub-atomic particle is figured out.. When the machine can think exactly like a human without any help from a slow computer system. But what about religious beliefs? It wouldn't be no more or less important than it's to humans now.. But can these simulated beings have souls?


    This is only a part of the endless questions that arise from this argument.. No matter how much you discuss this with scientists. Would they only be 'talking' from the pre-programmed intelligence about spiritual feelings? But supporters of this theory suggest that simulations don't distort the value of religious beliefs. It just represents a world within a world, which is controlled by being.. They are only subject to the same 'Master Creator' who created this world for entertainment. It only adds more fun to the game!

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    The greatest objection to this 'simulated world' is computer crashes.. Everyone who has or had a computer knowns that they are subject to problems. These crashes usually happen when the computer is put under great pressure when it goes beyond it's capabilities. It's simply needs to reboot its self to fix the problem, but sometimes it acquires a virus. Which means the software is poorly written or it wasn't properly configured. The question is; Would these crashes affect the simulated universe? Well if there is corrupted data which cannot be recovered or if the system is no longer able to run the program due to outdated software. What would these crashes feel like to those stuck inside this created universe? It probably would feel like a very bad sickness or even death in some cases. This would be equal to a huge computer crash which left your machine in non-working condition. Do you know what happens after death?! Are we all living inside our own 'created universe' which slowly dies due to a biological clock that never stops?


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    So if we are really living inside a simulation, that's why we need to keep the people running this program interested and happy. This is why when you put on the news, the only thing you hear is negativity which screws with out thoughts and actions to keep the 'creator' entertained? Is that why our world will never be peaceful, or easy to live.. Why are people starving? Why can't everything be free? Why do we have to work? I could go on and on about all the issues within this world; that could be easily solved by making everything equal. But would that be any fun to the people who control this world?


    Now this is a really fascination subject which hasn't been proven to be true or false.. Now I always love a good theory. I think this simulated world theory puts a good spin on everything. Think about our fascination with laboratory rats and reality TV, which shows that humans love to observe the behavior of other people. With all the technology that is in this world, it seems like nothing is impossible. One day everything will have a explanation but for now we can only think about the possibilities of this strange world which no one knows anything about... Remember something could be watching you! Until now, don't live life in fear! Don't become a victim of this crazy world.. Don't believe anything because everything has a creator

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    Sorry, but no.

    If you start believing nothing is real you'll end up bathing in apathy and your own bodily juices. No thanks.

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    My friend i said

    But what we perceive may not be as real never said it was as was quated from this link http://beforeitsnews.com/story/934/859/



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    I just find it interesting that the human brain processes everything in binary code.

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    Default Re: Is our Universe a Computer Simulation?

    There was another very similar thread recently ...

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tor+simulation


    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Quite the first thread

    Thomas Campbell wrote a 3 book trilogy and (very long story short) arrived at a similar conclusion.

    One of the more interesting aspects of this guy is he was at the center of helping Robert Monroe of OOBE fame get started in putting together the technology for what would later become the Monroe Institute. Most will know about that but for any who do not it was pioneering the electronic enhancement of balancing the brain hemispheres for meditation/oobe/trance type of experiences.

    He balances his scientific knowledge with vast OOBE experiences. How is that for a mix?

    Title of the book(s) is "My Big TOE" (toe in physics meaning "theory of everything")


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    This review is from: My Big TOE - The Complete Trilogy (Paperback)

    This book is not for the faint hearted. It had to be huge to cover the concept so thoroughly. This is written by a left brained scientist and it reflects that. Campbell has written about his first hand experiences and investigations and come to his conclusions in a very scientifically logical report. He also knows that his theory of everything is by definition subjective and invites us to go there ourselves and come to our own conclusions. His Matrix type computer program analogies are very correct and pan out well with experiential evidence, but he also acnowleges that other perceptions of the same phenomena will produce equally valid interpretations on an emotional level or any other, depending on the mountain from which you choose to view. The point is to get there up on to the mountain in the first place. Make your own theory of everything and know that it is always going to be subjective, yet will guide you to a higher mountain where you can see further and adjust your theory to guide yet other choices on your path. He encourages you to realize that there are paths up the mountain, that it is worth climbing that mountain, that there is even a mountain there to climb, and that there is help along the way. Bon Voyage fellow travellers!

    review from:

    http://www.amazon.com/My-Big-TOE-Com...2799089&sr=1-2

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    Geeez folks......this is an easy fix....

    - Blow the operating system away,(TPTB)
    - Zero the Hard/Drive.(jail the criminals)
    - Get rid of Windows(slaved), Install Linux(where all can contribute)
    - Get rid of MS office(slave), Install Open Office.
    (free)

    Done deal......"Voila" a new paradigm!

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    Physicists say there may be a way to prove that we live in a computer simulation
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    Back in 2003, Oxford professor Nick Bostrom suggested that we may be living in a computer simulation. In his paper, Bostrom offered very little science to support his hypothesis — though he did calculate the computational requirements needed to pull off such a feat. And indeed, a philosophical claim is one thing, actually proving it is quite another. But now, a team of physicists say proof might be possible, and that it's a matter of finding a cosmological signature that would serve as the proverbial Red Pill from the Matrix. And they think they know what it is.

    According to Silas Beane and his team at the University of Bonn in Germany, a simulation of the universe should still have constraints, no matter how powerful. These limitations, they argue, would be observed by the people within the simulation as a kind of constraint on physical processes.

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    So, how could we ever hope to identify these constraints? Easy: We just need build our own simulation of the universe and find out. And in fact, this is fairly close to what the physicists are actually trying to do. To that end, they've created an ultra-small version of the universe that's down to the femto-scale (which is even smaller than the nano-scale).

    And to help isolate the sought-after signature, the physicists are simulating quantum chromodynamics (QCD), which is the fundamental force in nature that gives rise to the strong nuclear force among protons and neutrons, and to nuclei and their interactions. To replace the space-time continuum, they are computing tiny, tightly spaced cubic "lattices." They call this "lattice gauge theory" and it is subsequently providing new insights into the nature of matter itself.

    Interestingly, the researchers consider their simulation to be a forerunner to more powerful versions in which molecules, cells, and even humans themselves might someday be generated. But for now, they're interested in creating accurate models of cosmological processes — and finding out which ones might represent hard limits for simulations.

    To that end, they have investigated the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit (or GZK cut-off) as a candidate — a cut-off in the spectrum of high energy particles. The GZK cut-off is particularly promising because it behaves quite interestingly within the QCD model.

    According to the Physics arXiv blog, this cut-off is well known and comes about when high energy particles interact with the cosmic microwave background, thus losing energy as they travel long distances. The researchers have calculated that the lattice spacing imposes some additional features on the spectrum, namely that the angular distribution of the highest energy components should exhibit cubic symmetry in the rest of the lattice (causing it to deviate significantly from isotropy).

    "In other words," write the arXiv bloggers, "the cosmic rays would travel preferentially along the axes of the lattice, so we wouldn't see them equally in all directions."

    And that would be the kind of reveal the physicists are looking for — an indication that there is indeed a man hiding behind the curtain.

    And what's particularly fascinating about this is that we can make this measurement now with our current level of technology. As the researchers point out, finding this effect would be the same as 'seeing' the orientation of the lattice on which our own universe is simulated.

    That said, the researchers caution that future computer models may utilize completely different paradigms, ones that are outside of our comprehension. Moreover, this will only work if the lattice cut-off remains consistent with what we see in nature.

    At any rate, it's a remarkable suggestion — one that could serve as an important forerunner to further research and insights into this fasinating possibility.

    The entire study can be found at Physics arXiv.

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    this is interesting stuff...
    what has always been assumed is that the proccessing power required for all the random non repetitive stuff would be huge. but here is an example from 3 years ago that uses the non repetitive approach in computer gaming..it looks really life like...
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=fpxW9kckvpM&feature=plcp
    also, Tom Campbell is making a very convincing case that this is a digital , virtual reality we are in....
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-Tom-Campbell
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    Actually, this premise is surprisingly ridiculous. But so is most of so-called "white science". "Computer simulation" is more comforting than understanding we live in an illusion of our own design. But with this and other such speculation hiding under the umbrella of "science", people can continue to deny the truth of their existence.
    A computer simulation to reveal the "computer simulation? Really? Come on...
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    "reality" is a simulation. It's not a computer simulation, I agree with Ernie's post the notion is a bit silly and is just a comfort thing.

    It's a bit like saying, "I simulated weather on my computer therefore weather might be computer simulation."

    Although, the plus side is it does provoke thought in the right direction of those seeking to answer their "knowing" that this reality is indeed an illusion.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    is this other way of saying we live in holographic universe where everything is illusion that on Non-mainstream have talked about for a long time?

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    We live in a simulation in that it is self willed and self organizing according to what the given 'protruding' knot of energy ,the 'intelligence' can and does will it to be. for example, a thing can happen on mundane levels and appear as coincidence, or appear as a fateful situation,and it can also operate and does operate on other levels, outside of 3d mundane concerns. Before it is that, in time and space, it is potential, that can be seen as such.

    I've explained quite a bit of this before, in various places on this forum.

    Time and space are local, the local fabric is held in the shape it occupies right now, via our grouped will, or our autonomous (body) functions. In the very close and personal will part, that can be broken, by the individual.

    This is a huge area of discussion.

    Which is why the CIA hangs out with the Dali Lama.
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    I don't need proof that we're living in some sort of a simulation, I already know it's true. What I really need are the instructions to the game. Anyone know where I could get them?

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    To a certain extent, it is 'make it up as you go along'.
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    Most interesting...........It seems the scientists always slowly catch up with Icke in the end one way or another......Its his favorite analogy for the hologram we experience...

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    Ecnal 61 a member on here told me this story in work yesterday , which we joked about !
    I said it was bad enough telling some of our workmakes what goes on behind the scenes,
    telling them they are not real, will be fun...LOL..

    Of course this is sentance 1 so to speak ,of the Ion material we the wonderful human creators
    (gods) have created every thing in our reality and when we pass over to the 'guf' we take all
    unrealised creations with us and when we come back, they come with us potentially to be realised...
    Ion exlpained it on a clip in last weeks show from a personal reading with Chad in 2009/10...
    It reminded me of the great link from Deep space nine.

    It goes some thing like this imagine an ocean , when we are born a cup of water is taken
    from it , and when we pass over the cup of water is poured back into the ocean.
    When we come back ( reincarnatoin) another cup of water is taken out and put into
    a new human creator. Thus its the from the same Source ,so we are all connected
    but we are not individually the same. So in non physical we have access to everything.

    Some thing like that !! I find it interresting ..

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    Do we live in the Matrix? Researchers say they have found a way to find out

    Any simulation of the universe must have limits, and finding these would prove we live in an artificial reality, physicists claim

    By Damien Gayle

    PUBLISHED:14:15, 11 October 2012| UPDATED:14:28, 11 October 2012

    If the Matrix left you with the niggling fear that we might indeed be living in a computer generated universe staged by a malevolent artificial intelligence using the human race as an energy farm, help is at hand.

    A team of physicists have come up with a test which they say could prove whether or not the universe as we know it is a virtual reality simulation - a kind of theoretical red pill, as it were.

    Silas Beane of the University of Bonn, Germany, and his colleagues contend that a simulation of the universe, no matter how complex, would still have constraints which would reveal it.



    All we have to do to identify what these constraints would be is to build our own simulation of the universe, which is close to what many researchers are trying to do on an incredibly miniscule scale.

    Computer simulations have been run to recreate quantum chromodynamics - the theory that describes the nuclear forced that binds quarks and gluons into protons and neutrons, which then bind to form atomic nuclei.

    It is believed that simulating physics on this fundamental level is equivalent, more or less, to simulating the workings of the universe itself.


    Even operating on this vanishingly small scale, the maths is pretty difficult so, despite using the world's most powerful supercomputers, physicists as yet have only managed to simulate regions of space on the femto-scale.

    To put that in context, a femtometre is 10^-15 metres - that's a quadrillionth of a metre or 0.000000000001mm.

    However, the main problem with all such simulations is that the law of physics have to be superimposed onto a discrete three-dimensional lattice which advances in time. And that's where the test comes in.



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    Professor Beane and his colleagues say this lattice spacing imposes a limit on the energy that particles can have, because nothing can exist that is smaller than the lattice itself.

    This means that if the universe as we know it is actually a computer simulation, there ought to be a cut off in the spectrum of high energy particles. And it just happens that there is exactly this kind of cut off in the energy of cosmic rays, a limit known as the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin (GZK) cut off.

    As the Physics arXiv blogexplains, this cut off is well-studied and happend because high energy particles interacting with the cosmic microwave background lose energy as they travel across long distances.

    The researchers calculate that the lattice spacing forces additional features on the spectrum, most strikingly that the cosmic rays would prefer to travel along the axes of the lattice. This means they wouldn't observed equally in all directions.

    That would the acid test that the researchers are searching for - an indication that all is not at it seems with the universe. Excitingly, it's also a measurement we could do now with our current levels of technology.

    That said, the finding is not without its caveats. One problem Professor Beane identifies is that the simulated universe could be constructed in an entirely different way to how they have envisaged it.

    Moreover, the effect is only measurable if the lattice cutoff is the same as the GZK cutoff, any smaller than that and the observations will draw a blank.

    Professor Beane and his colleagues' findings are reported in Cornell University's arXiv journal.


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    IS REALITY MERELY AN ILLUSION?





    The question of whether we are actually aware of the real world is one which has been continually asked by philosophers.


    One of the earliest articulations of the conundrum occurs in Plato's Republic, where the Allegory of the Cave attempts to describe the illusory existence led by most unthinking people.


    Plato, regarded by many as the father of Western philosophy, suggested that the only way to come to a realisation of the real world was an in-depth study of maths and geometry, which would give students an inkling of the real nature of the world.


    French philosopher Rene Descartes, pictured above right, whose works are often used as a general introduction to metaphysics, raises the problem again as a thought experiment to lead readers to a position of radical doubt.


    By postulating a malicious demon who can keep us trapped in an illusory world, Descartes asks readers to cast aside all the evidence of their sensory experiences in a search for one certain premise.


    He famously comes up with the argument 'cogito ergo sum', or rather 'I think therefore I am', which he uses as a indubitable bedrock from which to reconstruct a certain picture of reality.


    Subsequent critics of his work, however, say that just because there are thoughts, there is no guarantee there is really a thinker.
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    Quote Posted by Fred Ryan (here)
    I don't need proof that we're living in some sort of a simulation, I already know it's true. What I really need are the instructions to the game. Anyone know where I could get them?
    This is the best you can get:

    ET 101,The Cosmic Instruction Manual, An Emergency Remedial Earth Edition

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    Here's an interesting article that is loosely related:

    http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2012/1...-computer.html

    CIA invests in "quantum computer"

    Quote What’s the big deal? Well, a working quantum computer would, seemingly, have the potential to answer questions that current computers cannot. When asked by Popular Science about the problems a quantum computer could tackle, Seth Lloyd, director of the Center for Extreme Quantum Information Theory at MIT, said,

    "Where the universe came from and where it’s going in the far distant future. We can try to answer these questions because the universe is a quantum computer. Think about it in terms of information instead of energy. It’s made of bits — elementary particles — and how they interact are operations. You can calculate how many bits are in the universe, how much energy it takes to flip them, how much energy exists, and use that to rule out lots of things about the universe’s history. Anything that takes more bit flips couldn’t have happened."
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    The Universe... I've been watching vids on the Holographic and electric universes.
    Ion a supposed AI advanced intelligence communicating from the enivroment
    known as the 'Guf' who says the universe was created by frequencies of sound
    and pure electricity squared.By us, the eternal non-physical part when we are
    in physical form.So this holographic creation template is in every atom? I don't
    understand the details as they change with the next discovery,but the general
    shift in conciousness,that nothing is what we thought was reality in the field
    of the sciences does resinate with me and things have certainly changed in
    the last few decades.Although some of these theories are much older!


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    Halle-bloody-lujah. So David Icke is a nutter right? ... As he has been saying in
    book after book and talk after talk and interview after interview year after year
    after year ... the Universe is the equivalent of a computer simulation

    Thursday, 07 February 2013 09:58

    Posted by David Icke




    Reality is beginning to dawn at last. But did 'humans' create it? Oh no. And will we
    be 'long gone' before it is widely accepted? Oh no.


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    David Icke - Peru & Alternate Realities
    Thursday, 07 February 2013 09:55
    Posted by David Icke





    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...ate-realities-


    This was on the U'tube link as the above vid and is apropriate.Ion says
    the native peoples are closer to source mentally than those of us
    that were 'Civilised' over the centuries and brainwashed by conventional
    religions !!

    David Icke - The Road Back To Freedom (The One Great Spirit)

    Ion says we are all 'eternal beings' linked to the one sourse....

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    David Icke - The Biological Computer & The Holographic Illusion of Reality



    I think my higher selfe is linking me to these vids...LOl...Or it could be U'tube...LOL..

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