Is the moon artificial?

[Kulapops]

Posted by Hughe (here)
We can't figure out what's inside the moon and the core structures just by calculating moon's mass with the data from NASA or Astronomy body.
All the mass calculations as I know, maybe there is a different way, for satellite or planet like Earth is treated as point mass. It means, a point of mass by Issac Newtons' principal.
Newton proved that even a hollow sphere can be treated a point of mass at the center.

Even the Moon's actual gravity became questionable since the Apollo missions by Moon researchers.

There are different tools to understand the internal structure of the Moon.

As I understand it.. this is not speculation of the moon's composition, or it being treated as a point mass. Yes, surely you could treat it as a point mass for gravitational computations.. but that's not what's being discussed here. That is, why would it "ring like a bell"? Is that because it is hollow? I have merely pointed out a potential mass for even a hollow moon would be many orders of magnitude greater than that of an impacting spacecraft. Even if you take a collossal impact velocity into account in that momentum - it seems unlikely that would be enough to make the whole satellite vibrate. . .

It would be interesting to know if there are any data relating to any hollow heavenly bodies. I think it would be rare for that to occur naturally, and as I said, if you're going to hollow out a rock 3476 Km across... that's a lot of rock to remove...

I'd be interested to see some scientific data on hollow astronomical bodies if anyone has any...

K

[bashi]

Lear is right:

Between 1969-72 Apollo astronauts were placing seismometers on
the Moon, and the first "moonquakes" were registered.

Unloading:


Placing them:

More than four seismometers were deployed.
Now, the findings are quite interesting:

There were basically three sources of seismic signals identified:
– “Controlled source” (Original NASA term)
– Meteorite impacts
-- Moonquakes – tidally-triggered, shallow and deep

There were strange signals received which repeated themselves periodically about every month. These signals were explained as possible “geo-tidal stress symptoms”.
This version can be easily challenged, as the moon should have for long balanced itself, as it is always showing the same side to Earth.

The impact/quake signals had long reverberations of ~ 60 minutes duration.
Here some examples:

The ALSEPs were collecting data for about 8 years and then NASA switched them off, allegedly to save money. That ended somehow the discussion about the seismic signals.

Does anybody know that the Moon's centre of gravity is 2-3 km off balance?

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[Kulapops]

Thanks for the interesting info Bashi...

It's great to read some more info around the story.

That there is seismic activity at the impact site is totally believable, as is the thought that you could measure this at another location further away. But how much? When some say it 'rang like a bell', one imagines he whole moon visibly shaking... and one could imagine the idea occuring that it must be very flimsy, light, or hollow for something like that to occur.

One can understand how a metaphor that the moon 'rang like a bell' could be applied to the detection of a clear sesmic signal at the impact site.. there being little other seismic activity recorded before or after. This might be the most likely conclusion for the expression: 'data was clearly/easily recorded '

It's a shame.. or significant? that there is no scale or magnitude on the Y axis of those graphs. So do we have any idea what magnitude of seismic activity was recorded ? If this showed something close to a high magnitutde earthquake on the Earth, that would be intersting indeed. Do you have any further seismic information Bashi? Some numbers would make interesting reading...

K

[bashi]

The shallow quakes are the more stronger ones, between 2-4 on the Richter-scale.

Here the different quakes:



Here a rough graph about the periodicity:




As can be seen, a second periodicity sticks out, with a 206 days period.
The published timeframe is only ~18 months.

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[Kulapops]

Thanks Bashi...

[Carmody]

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every massive particle in the universe attracts every other massive particle with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. (Separately it was shown that large spherically-symmetrical masses attract and are attracted as if all their mass were concentrated at their centers.)

Except for the point that it is a theory and not a law. Law is a societal stricture thing and has no place in scientific theory. And that there are no facts in existence, of any kind. Well, one: the fact that there are no facts. Nothing else. Zip. Nada.

And then we add in that Even Einstein's equations show that the planets do not stay in position, at all, if his gravitation equations are use. A small difference between observation and theory shows that his works do not accurately apply. That the planets would simply fly off in different directions, if his were in use.

Then we get to the 'electric universe' model and the idea of Gravity as a PUSH. Which Einstein agreed could be the case when he said, "I may have gotten the sign wrong". When done that way, then... gravity works. A push against dimensional intrusion differentials.

[bashi]

The seismic signals indicate that the inner structure of the moon is "plastic" or semi-molten, not hollow.
A particular waveform, the S-wave, can travel only through solid matter. Liquid or plastic matter absorbs it.
The quake signals from the dark side were not showing S-wave form, thus leading to the conclusion:

But there are other Moon mysteries...

[Hiram]

If you read my earliest post on this thread, I had said the the "Rang like a bell" was a figure of speech to describe the regular tremors (seismic activity) heard at multiple locations around the moon after the impact.

If you take that statement literally, then yes, it seems quite fantastical and mathematically implausible. If you understand that it was a simile used to describe some anomalous seismic activity, then it makes better sense.

Also, if you take "Hollow Moon" to mean just that, that it is completely Hollow like a basketball, once again an argument can be made that this is ridiculous.

If you take the statement to mean that it is full of caverns, with large voids and possible artificial underground structures which might possible collapse quite easily with seismic activity--well then once again this would make better sense.

There is also no good explanation for a circular orbit aside from accretion...and any captured bodies should have an eliptical orbit.

With this being said I have never heard a good "scientific" hypothesis as to how the moon came to be where it is, why it is this perfect distance to appear the exact same size as the sun in our skies, and why such a large body is orbiting such a similar sized body (Earth) proportionally.

Additionally, there are many ideas as to why there is much evidence for vulcanism in the moon,--large areas of lava-flows on the surface et cetera. But its difficult to come up with a model that will hold-up with the other ideas planetary geologists have come up with as to the moons nature.

To my understanding, they can't decide if the moon is geologically "dead" or "alive-dynamic" and a geologically dynamic moon does not fit in with the current models. Yet the evidence is there.

I have heard many "Unscientific" explanations for why the moon is there. I am sure that to all but very few of us...these things will remain a mystery for the time being.

[morguana]

Your posts here folks have been a delight to read, love to have meat on the bones as it were (not that I eat meat ), thanks bashi and Hiram for the info/ideas you have both posted.
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[truthseekerdan]

Moon Secrets Revealed - John Lear & Richard Hoagland

John Lear is the son of the famous inventor of the Lear Jet. He is a Lockheed L-1011 Captain and is highly regarded in aviation circles. He has flown over 150 test aircraft and has won every award granted by the Federal Aviation Administration. John also holds 18 world speed records and has worked for 28 different Aircraft Corporations. During the late 1980s and early 1990s, John began coming forward with some startling revelations concerning the subject of aerial phenomena and Unidentified Flying Objects.

Lear returned for a discussion about photographic evidence for cities and mining operations on the moon. He said that mining operations for such substances as helium-3 have been going on for years, and that antigravity ships, secretly launched from Antarctica, arrive at the moon in only one hour's time. He cited a poster known as "sleeper" (blog) at the abovetopsecret.com forum as one of the sources for his information.

Lear also argued that the moon was towed into its current orbit by a huge electromagnetic vehicle, and that vehicle can be seen in a photo taken of the moon crater Tsiolkovsky. He also believes that the moon contains a breathable atmosphere, as evidenced by photos showing smoke or vapor coming from the surface.

Joining the conversation during the third hour, Richard C. Hoagland concurred with Lear that there are artificial structures on the moon, yet he suggested they may be ancient rather than new. If there is mining that is taking place there, it could be for the "retro-engineering of ancient technology," said Hoagland, who added that he does not think the photographic evidence supports the notion that the moon has an atmosphere. During the last hour, Lear took questions from the listeners. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com) Enjoy!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AOeTycHrUvA

Playlist

[Zillah]

David Icke on the moon - posted today on his site - enjoy.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SFuPL3wz4Qs

[bennycog]

nice summation there kula...
we all would definitely agree maybe the ringing theory is put out to pasture. ( maybe it was more like a !clunk! whenit landed) it is not one i took in to heart anyway.. but the discussion should continue on the hollw theory..

[bashi]

Yes the man in the moon…

Hiram: This "Rang like a bell" is not necessarily a figure of speech:
The Moon has a very unusual structure: Its crust is heavier and harder than the inner layers (if there are)
This made the Moon swing in fact like a bell. Here some pics:

It accounts for the long time (~1 hour) for some quakes to subside. Of course you need good ears…

The very fact that the ALSEPs were switched off (on budgetary reasons!) should make us think. These machines had radioactive decay batteries, which could have allowed them to run for centuries. So why switch them off? If there is no money to process and interpret the data, let it just get recorded for maybe later.
What might be the reasons to switch it off? The ALEPs were sending the data openly back to Earth, thus it was readable for everybody. It seems something was inside the data which made it necessary to switch the ALEPs off, just to keep a lid on it.
The NASA found a way to listen into the Moon without having guests:
The Apollo astronauts left laser reflectors on the surface (as well as seismometers)
and through modern interferometric methods they can now exclusively listen to the greys coughing…



They found that the moon is slowly drifting away from Earth. Actually is the Moon receding due to tidal torques at a rate of ~4 cm per year.
Then they calculated how old it should be, by just going back in time:
The Moon must only have formed ~1.5 Billion years ago!

This result does not fit at all into the data, which clearly indicates an age > 4.5 Billion years.
So - to fit all in - they (the scientists) assumed that the Earth should have been more heavier in ancient times: Something had “evaporated”, thus causing the Earth to become lighter. This nonsense was discussed seriously as a possible reason for the discrepancy. See here:
The “evaporation” theory allows to manipulate (Q) the time to match with 4.5 Billion years.

But this theory does not explain that the required rotational speeds of the moon an Earth are not matching with the actual ones.
Even if they can somehow explain that away, what this implies is:
The Earth and the Moon have developed out of the same parent-body. If so, then the chemical composition of the two bodies should be similar.
But the Moon has a markedly different chemical composition than Earth:
For example
1. The potassium-uranium ratio
- is for Meteorites 1:60000
- is for the Earth 1: 10000
- is for the Moon 1:1000 to 1:2000 only

2. The Iron content is much higher in the basalts of the Moon than on Earth
3. The Nickel content is lower on the Mon-basalts than on Earth-basalts. This strongly suggests a different origin of the Moon-basalts than the origin of Earth-basalts
4. Moon rocks contain Xenon isotopes from the fission of Plutonium 244, which are not observed in terrestrial rocks.
5. Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 were discovered in lunar rocks. These elements are not found in nature on Earth
6.The age of the moon rocks:
Here a quote from a publication: “The youngest Moon rocks are virtually as old as the oldest Earth rocks. The earliest processes and events that probably affected both planetary bodies can now only be found on the Moon.”

What they don’t tell you is this: The Earth is 4.4 Billion years old; the age of oldest meteorites (meteoroids that survive the plunge to Earth) is 4.56 Billion years, but the age of oldest moon rocks show an age >5 Billion years! The moon dust is even older than 7 Billion years!
As this would prove that the Moon is not from this solar-system, they now adjust by saying that the error-probabilities allow the Moon to be 4.5 Billion years old.
How nicely it all fits now!
Some still say the Moon was an exoplanet, captured by the Earth. Thus the Moon’s age can be explained, but not the orbit. Almost any captured body will move in a highly elliptical orbit.

7. The Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apolllonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia. The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there "before there was a moon in the heavens." This claim is substantiated by symbols on the wall of the Courtyard of Kalasasaya, near the city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, which record that the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago, long before recorded history.

So what do we have: A BIG Moon which is obviously from far, far away, which moves in an impossible orbit. For me it looks like someone placed it there…

[Wesly]

I was told by ETs as a child that it was a tool to record time travel and time lines.

[Hiram]

Bashi,

You have given texture and detail to my crude splashes of paint. I hold the exact same hypothesis. Since mainstream science will not accept that as a possibility, then it will have to remain a "mystery" for now.

They will not even accept the true histories of the people of the Earth. They are not true scientists in that they try to bend the science to fit their hypothesis. In true scientific fashion, one tries to disprove the hypothesis.

[Carmody]

I work, to some degree, in the world of mechanics, vibration, electromagnetic, and..specifically now, resonance, resonance control, energy transfer and translation systems, electromagnetic resonance control, materials science,..and molecular considerations and design tied to those facets, along with the MHD (magnetohydrodynamic) aspects of complex electrical function.

Due to the placement and the position and shaping of the great pyramid, it could almost be said as being used as a vibration control device for energetic egress. to gate energies from the earth or to damp the energies of the earth. The converse can also be true, it can also be used, like one of Tesla's 'earthquake machines' to excite the planet. Or to simply gate that energetic field of the earth.

Regardless, it can be seen as a vent or an energy/energetic linkage/gate type device. Whether it is for energetic control, venting, translation, amplification, acceleration....who knows. It might even be possible to see it as some sort of 'tuned ionizer spray tip'. An Ionizer tip that is designed to have a specific sort of energetic type of interaction. An interaction that could be the same as any of the possible noted effects and energy relation aspects.

One thing for sure is that it is definitely a tuned matched complementary resonant device, placed in the exact correct global position and polarization orientation. I'm curious how that connects to the moon, position and placement wise. I men VERY curious. I mean 'linchpin in the potentials presented by critical thinking-hypothesis' kinda curious.

For the moon, you see, is connected (relates to), to the earth, in VERY similar ways. Which means there is a relation but the moon/pyramid positioning relationships need some looking at.

It may even be that the two act as a pair.

One creates a polarized ionic kind of field, possibly a scalar temporal field of some sort... around the earth (The Great Pyramid) and the Moon...possibly... shapes it.

It could even be that the moon complimentary resonance and design matching parameters are there in order to oscillate the earth...and that is used to create the energetic field that the Pyramid then vents off the earth to form a scalar/dimensional field related with and to the Van Allen belt.

You have to charge an ionizer into a high level static differential... before you can use the specifically matched ionizer spray tip.... to gate the differential field in the proper way that the ionizer system in question is....designed to do. The point of that facet of this hypothesis... is that pyramids, in the mechanical sense of energetic charge-'gating of oscillating fields'...acts much like a diode and thus is a PUMP/(flap valve) of sorts.

(sidenote: one of my first personal recollections of direct observation and MIB type experiences was directly following my posting on a forum, about 6 years back, about the Pyramid being a giant temporal pump.)

But, from my experiences in these given fields combined, they tell me that one of these scenarios has more truth to it than many might want to be possible.

If you add the age of the pyramid to the age of the moon according to the Greek Proselenes, you get complimentary creation dates, to some degree.

As an example, it is possible to see time, mass, gravity, etc as particle level vibrational charge and oscillation differentials. Voltage polarization has considerable amount to do with resonance and capacity to energize or oscillate. Think of the frog levitation in the tube trick from a few years back. this was done with intense oriented and polarized magnetic fields, IIRC. Static electricity can and does do similar things. The 'space antenna' attempt a few years back had it's wire system explode from static differential potential (Voltage differentials) on one of the shuttle flight tests of that device.

This oscillation of a potential field (voltage field) falls straight into Kozyrevs findings on weight changes in objects, which is indicative of scalar or dimensional fields. Which means it is automatically temporal change/differential as well. From what we know about dimensional aspects, regarding spirituality, we get straight into dimensional differences and dimensional differentials regarding spirituality.

BTW, this also indicates that the chemtrails are doing something to that polarized charge field, with regard to disturbing the creation or actions of that said field.

Joseph Farrell wrote a series of books on a similar subject, methinks, but I have yet to read them. I'd better do so. I have one of the books in that series, so I'd better get to it.

If any of the above it true, it is interesting to note that the earth's oscillating field and it's intensity ....right now...is dropping to zero. We're getting close to the zero point regarding the earth's field, at this time.

for some it may not work, with regard to acceptance of it well enough to contemplate the possibilities, but..we appear to be, with this potential set of data..we appear to be complementing the hypothesis and statements, in the basics at least..of David Wilcock. And some others, in their own way.

It's a hypothesis and the evidence is circumstantial, but interestingly enough, it's there ---and it's based on known effects and known considerations.

[Foxie Loxie]

Do we have any definite proof that our Moon is an artificial satellite? Just trying to piece together all the things I have learned!

[DeDukshyn]

By "artificial" do you mean crafted by beings or do you mean "not natural" as in, the moon is / was a foregn entity and became picked up in Earth's orbit?

When I was in school I was taught the moon formed from the earth when both where still liquid molten gaseous whatever, but now they say the moon was formed by another planet colliding with earth, something that is reflected metaphorically in Sumerian texts, as I read about in the 90's in a book by Alan Alford.

Other theories suggest it is hollow and made from titanium; many interesting odd, and wide ranging theories with our moon.

I find it interesting that "craziness" or major changes in psyche are attributed to the moon, such as werewolves, and even the term "lunatic" has a base word of Luna which is the name of our moon. I also find interesting that women's menses, when cycling correctly has the exact same timeframe as lunar phases ... all very interesting.

It is clearly not a natural satellite of the Earth, this is for certain. Compare Earth's "twin" planet Venus ... no moon, compare Mars' moons ... small asteroids barely worth mentioning ... our moon rival's the grandness of most of the gas giants moons ... it makes little sense that we have our moon as we do, unless you start speculating, hence all the interesting theories that have come out.

Sorry I don't have anything proper to present you, just my musings. I do believe there are reports of the moon ringing like a bell after the US crashed one of their satelites into it -- not sure how that would be verified though, unless the have seismic sensors there, which they may.

I'm sure this thread will get the interest and links it deserves, its always a fascinating topic.

[ljwheat]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
Do we have any definite proof that our Moon is an artificial satellite? Just trying to piece together all the things I have learned!

yes, very simple get your hands on a good pair of binoculars go out any night and sit and look with your own eye's,, and ask yourself one question... why is it that no matter how small or big --- every single crater only is so deep. the rings are big and small but the surface depth is the same. shallow crater's millions of them -- all with the same floor why?

[Bill Ryan]

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What a great question.

My comments...

• There’s no ‘proof’ as such!

• There may be something anomalous about the moon’s density. It doesn't seem to be as ‘solid’ as it ‘should’ be. See this (very interesting!) Wikipedia page:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceship_Moon_Theory

The Spaceship Moon Theory, also known as the Vasin-Shcherbakov Theory, is a hypothesis that claims the Earth's moon may actually be an alien spacecraft. The hypothesis was put forth by two members of the then Soviet Academy of Sciences, Michael Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov, in a July 1970 article entitled "Is the Moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?"

Vasin and Shcherbakov's thesis was that the Moon is a hollowed-out planetoid created by unknown beings with technology far superior to any on Earth. Huge machines would have been used to melt rock and form large cavities within the Moon, with the resulting molten lava spewing out onto the Moon's surface. The Moon would therefore consist of a hull-like inner shell and an outer shell made from metallic rocky slag. For reasons unknown, the "Spaceship Moon" was then placed into orbit around the Earth.

Their hypothesis relies heavily on the suggestion that large lunar craters, generally assumed to be formed from meteor impact, are generally too shallow and have flat or even convex bottoms. Small craters have a depth proportional to their diameter but larger craters are not deeper. It is hypothesized that small meteors are making a cup-shaped depression in the rocky surface of the moon while the larger meteors are drilling through a five-mile thick rocky layer and hitting a high-tensile "hull" underneath.

Additionally the authors note that the surface material of the moon is substantially composed of different elements (chromium, titanium and zirconium) from the surface of the Earth. They also note that some moon rocks are older than the oldest rocks on Earth.

They postulate that the moon comprises a rocky outer layer a few miles thick covering a strong hull perhaps 20 miles thick and beneath that there is a void, possibly containing an atmosphere.

In 1975, Don W. Wilson published Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon in which he compiled what he considered supporting facts for this hypothesis.

In 1976 George H. Leonard published Somebody Else is on the Moon in which he reprinted numerous NASA photographs of the lunar surface and suggested that large scale machinery was visible in these pictures.

• It’s even more anomalous that the Moon (as seen from Earth) is EXACTLY the same size as the sun. Many people have observed that that looks like ‘intelligent design’.

• Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) stated here (and he had edited/corrected the page himself to ensure accuracy):

Incredibly, Henry stated that the one moon we have now is known to have been engineered into position eons ago. When we asked if this was done by our ancestors or by our creators, the answer came back "both".