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    Quote Posted by Biff (here)
    John Lear called Phil a liar http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread264009/pg1

    This guy claims to have interviewed people close to Phil, which paints for the picture of Phil being a mentally unstable opportunist who lied about his father. Other sites I could find list long discrepancies in his story. https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/...lness-and-ssi/

    Phil presented his fears and rehashed a lot of lore. He was a lot like William Cooper that way, both oh whom died young by suicide (by cop in Cooper's case)

    Not much mystery here. He was a loon.

    Thanks for citing your comments Biff, that takes effort and a little time.


    I'm a fan of John Leer, but not more so than Phil, and if anyone of the two is going to be referred to as mentally unstable it is going to be John Leer.


    Lear has also contradicted himself on several issues over the years. I'll give you points for doing a little research here, but you lose major points for your dismissive attitude.
    Quote Not much mystery here. He was a loon.
    This is the kind of condescending statement one is used to seeing at abovetopsecret or Godlikeproductions.


    Phil Schnieder was tortured and found dead with a rope around his neck with his feet on the floor.
    And on top of Phil you are going to dismiss William Cooper as well?
    Why don't you just dismiss the entire UFO community while you are at it?

    Most discerning individuals here will agree that both of these men were murdered in an attempt to shut them up for good.

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    Default Re: The Phil Schneider story

    No body knows WHAT to beleive do they? one whistleblower telling another whistleblower they are a liar! just when you get a bit of inside info about something, someone says its not ligit after all

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    Al Bielek talks about Phil Schneider





    10 minutes in Al explains his connection with Phil, and it was Al who
    encouraged Phil to go public with what he knew .....

    WOW ! about 15 in Al talks about Phil going to Japan in 1995 to talk
    about the Kobe 'Earth Quake' being a nuke being set off in Kobe
    harbour by navy seals !! to destroy the Japanese synthetic human
    programme !! Phil exposed this to the japanese in his lecture
    over there despite being warned not to go...This sounds like
    a another nail in Phils his imminent coffin... if true !!

    Interresting info about Phils autopsy reports and other information of
    Phils last days....

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post459752
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    Quote Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
    No body knows WHAT to beleive do they? one whistleblower telling another whistleblower they are a liar! just when you get a bit of inside info about something, someone says its not ligit after all
    To further muddy the waters Richard Sauder doesn't believe the Phil Schneider story.

    Me on the other hand I tend to lean more the other way.

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    The post is dated 2007 so is several years prior to the Camelot interview....
    Quote John Lear called Phil a liarhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread264009/pg1


    John Lear met Phil Schneider several times and says he was a great guy

    This is funny and I'l save you time if you do not want to listen to it all...
    I just did and its interesting and I was wondering what about Phil ?
    Then Bill asks right at the end aprox 14m 50 sec in , how this dovetails
    into the Phil Schneider story ? John says Phil was a great guy and that
    he met him , but did not think it happened at Dulce . He does not say
    that his story was BS or anything and aspects of it was probably true .....

    Al Bielek in #13 above says that Phil said there were more than one fire fight incident

    From Project Camelot interview with Bill and Kerry....

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    "This was pre internet and Phil had no access to TV stations so he was talking to a
    very limited audience. So if it was a hoax considering the condition he was in
    makes you wonder why he was doing it, if there was not some truth to it......

    One aspect that rings true to his motives and what was going on at the time
    ( I thought disclosure was near in the 1990's as I have said on several threads)
    is that when his father died in 1993 and he found various documents the constraints
    to tell 'his truths' were lifted and the fact he lasted less than a couple years also
    suggest he was not a fantasist imo. Whether he had a fire fight with Grey Aliens ?
    we may never know , but this still is a compelling testimony imo...."
    Nailed, thank you Cidersomerset.
    To me Phil was brave man who encouraged many others to come forward, risking his own life. Respect for the ones who helped as to be where we are now. All my gratitud to people like him.
    Phil is allways in my heart.
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Al Bielek talks about Phil Schneider





    10 minutes in Al explains his connection with Phil, and it was Al who
    encouraged Phil to go public with what he knew .....

    WOW ! about 15 in Al talks about Phil going to Japan in 1995 to talk
    about the Kobe 'Earth Quake' being a nuke being set off in Kobe
    harbour by navy seals !! to destroy the Japanese synthetic human
    programme !! Phil exposed this to the japanese in his lecture
    over there despite being warned not to go...This sounds like
    a another nail in Phils his imminent coffin... if true !!

    Interresting info about Phils autopsy reports and other information of
    Phils last days....

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post459752
    Wow, Al Bielek talks about the USA shooting down UFO's at a rate of somewhere between 7 a month and one everyday. At around the thirty minute mark.
    I do not know the year this interview takes place but it feels like circa 05'.
    This is something I would compute and make reference to all of the large meteors we have had streaking the sky the last few years.
    Just on a personal note I made note of this in my area of Arizona a month or so ago. Something I did not mention was this. Right after we had this huge meteor that was seen for hundreds of miles in this area over multiple state explode in the air or land right here just tens of miles from my house a HUGE forest fire began right after this. This forest fire was so big it closed down huge swaths of land which were made unaccesible due to road closures and what not. Meteor Over Arizona

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    It might be time to hear from the man himself.....I was only going to post one
    but they are not the best quality , so take your pick........



    Uploaded on 17 Feb 2011
    POST FALLS, IDAHO - MAY 8, 1995

    ===================================================

    Phil Schneider's Last Speech ~ Two Months Before His Assassination ~ Aliens &
    Underground Bases....recorded ? Nov 1995



    Published on 24 Nov 2013

    Underground Bases, UFO's and Aliens: The Late Phil Schneider, a retired US government geologist,
    talks about his days building deep underground bases for the government - over 131 in the USA,
    one mile or more down, the involvement with alien technology, samples of elements up to atomic
    #140 are shown. The advanced stealth technology involves the use of alien metals.

    This is the last known video made of Phil Schneider while he was still alive. It was made in November
    1995. He was found dead less than two months later. He talks about his days building underground
    bases for the US government and grey aliens.

    Phil Schneider is one of the many UFO researchers that have died over the last few years under mysterious
    circumstances. Phil died on January 17, 1996, reportedly strangled by a catheter found wrapped around
    his neck, his death being dismissed by the authorities as suicide.

    Schneider maintained that numerous previous attempts had been made on his life. He had stated publicly
    he was a marked man and did not expect to live long. "If I ever 'commit suicide'," Schneider told a close
    friend, "I'll have been murdered


    ===================================================

    PHILIP SCHNEIDER - UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES



    circa 1995 ?
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    The sound in the version in post 1 was irritating me here is a better sound
    version , not so good picture quality, maybe watch one listen to the other...LOL
    Its from an earlier thread with info about underground bases as well......


    Re: Dr. Richard Sauder: Underground/Sea bases

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1042959


    Underground Bases and Tunnels
    http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html


    Hangar 1 : The UFO Files S01E02 Underground Bases



    Published on 5 Sep 2015
    Full Episode: Underground Bases Examining a theory that secret alien studies
    are being conducted at underground military bases throughout the U.S. Hangar 1
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    Default Re: The Phil Schneider story

    Biff, with respect, many of the posters on this thread - myself included - were adults around the time John Lear, Phil Schneider & Bill Cooper "came out" with their "Loony stuff". We were actively researching this "stuff" when you were still running around in diapers.

    Here's the simple facts: Both Schneider & Cooper had first hand, inside knowledge; Lear didn't & wouldn't have had anything without them (and the MATRIX Books). With few exceptions, most of Lear's info is second or third hand, and most of that gained since his association with the other two. Lear is fundamentally a researcher, just like us.

    Schneider & Cooper are dead because the information they were giving out could have eventually bought the US govt to it's knees as more people started taking notice, limited by the fact that the internet at that time was in its infancy. Schneider & Cooper had to do it the slow, old fashioned way, with books and lectures. They had to be "expedited".

    Lear on the other hand, was essentially a commercial pilot with an interest in this "stuff" and a famous father (inventor of the Lear Jet, amongst other things) - and absolutely no proof or firsthand real experience. He had a little "inside" info. At that time, Lear went through several commercial pilot jobs because his airline employers thought he was a "loon".
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    I believe the story of underground bases built by the military... as far as phil and his rung on the ladder, hard to say how deep he was in or how shallow... he said the et e was 172 bases, all connected by high speed railcars... we do know phil spoke for a short while and was found assassinated... the dark order only killds those or tries to kill those who threaten their power, or expose the ptb... Abraham Lincoln shot, Ronald Reagan shot, JFK shot, then phil , the list of good men teling truth is too long ...
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    The list is not yet long enough, apparently...... as the people still sleep.
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    I guess my theory is, if phil was t telling tale tails, why would the dark order assassinate him ...
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    well said sir.



    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Biff, with respect, many of the posters on this thread - myself included - were adults around the time John Lear, Phil Schneider & Bill Cooper "came out" with their "Loony stuff". We were actively researching this "stuff" when you were still running around in diapers.

    Here's the simple facts: Both Schneider & Cooper had first hand, inside knowledge; Lear didn't & wouldn't have had anything without them (and the MATRIX Books). With few exceptions, most of Lear's info is second or third hand, and most of that gained since his association with the other two. Lear is fundamentally a researcher, just like us.

    Schneider & Cooper are dead because the information they were giving out could have eventually bought the US govt to it's knees as more people started taking notice, limited by the fact that the internet at that time was in its infancy. Schneider & Cooper had to do it the slow, old fashioned way, with books and lectures. They had to be "expedited".

    Lear on the other hand, was essentially a commercial pilot with an interest in this "stuff" and a famous father (inventor of the Lear Jet, amongst other things) - and absolutely no proof or firsthand real experience. He had a little "inside" info. At that time, Lear went through several commercial pilot jobs because his airline employers thought he was a "loon".

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    Trust me, I think John Lear is ufological fraud as well as Phil was. But Lear and others owned the Dulce Base legend before Phil jumped on the bandwagon. I don't even think the underground base exists outside of people's imaginations.
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    More on DUMBs or Deep Underground Bases:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ated-Anomalies

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    I think that the answer to the question whether or not there exists a vast network of underground bases, linked with futuristic glass walled rail roads is very important.
    Such an existence, complete with ET contacts, split of society and interstellar travel would be so overwhelmingly dominant and difficult to turn around that millions of people who choose to belief this see no other alternative then to welcome a total collapse of society as to have a new chance to build it up on new terms.

    I think it is also important to understand that a partial or total collapse would also mean bye bye to all the human rights that we profit from today.
    We will enter a "Mad Max" style period where war lords will rule... IF we would survive a collapse at all (nuclear power plants and arsenal, bio warfare labs).


    If Lear has done a back ground research to Phil Schneider, I am very interested to read or hear more about it, since I am very curious to that as well.


    Bill Cooper predicted the 9-11 event to some extend and that it would be linked to Bin Laden, which is impressive and he deserves a lot of credit for that, but there are also signs that he was highly paranoia and not everything that he claimed has to be true automatically.

    Personally I think there is way too little evidence to seriously consider this network of high tech underground DUMBS to be real.
    I think that there's still a chance to turn things around with preservation of the system and we should not think so lightly about a societal collapse in order to restart civilisation. Over the past centuries, we have come a long way and it is certainly not all bad that we have produced.
    Human rights, rule of law and democracy are far from perfect at the moment, but it is light years ahead of what awaits us when it all comes crashing down.
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    Well, one might consider that for a long lived space faring race, one of high technology...that sealed structure living is the norm. That surface living on planets is the old way, the dead way, way of long ago times.

    Vast ships in space, habitats, etc...which when on a planet...becomes that of something like underground bases. Ie, their preferred method of habitation on a given planet. their normal, if you will.

    That a space borne species would naturally be habitat oriented. One can't logically humanize (human emotions, norms, desires and expectations) the behaviors and norms of other intelligent species. One has to consider their long term norms and such norms would definitely be one of habitats and sealed/closed systems.

    Therefore..if there is any integration at all between humans (as we think of humans) and other space faring species....underground bases on the surface of this planet, would be the preferred norm (in human alien integration and communication) of the vast number of any of possible given intelligent space faring species.

    That space borne species, if we humans -as we are right now- decide to do similar (to become one), that our further evolution in any space borne context.... is going to be one that involves large internalized sealed structures.

    And that is indeed a fact.

    If humans were to travel to another planet where the life is on the surface.. and we decide to 'go it' out in the open, on that given planet...that humans would change in mere generations. That humanity would shift into something else entirely, and probably within a thousand years or less of their lives on the given planet.

    Also, that if we are out there, on this given other planet, that our genetic sciences are also advanced and we would shift ourselves to match that planet or remain as we are, with primarily a sealed vessel, sealed habitat type living with 'visits' to that given planetary surface. The reality is that humans can't just go to some other planet or planetoid and simply walk around and be 'humans' who are in a new location. No, not going to happen. The changes would happen in mere generations.

    A human, on earth.. has no awareness of how tailored and perfected their life is on the surface of the 'earth', how integrated their life is to the 'Earth' planet. You are definitely a wholly integrated wild cow in this particular planetary box/field called Earth.

    For you as a human, everywhere else other than the earth surface....is alien... everywhere else is fire and death. And whatever survives the fire and death will no longer be as human as we are right now. They will be a different human.

    And if you attempt to make the new planet like earth, no matter what you do...well... that planet will change you so your progeny is no longer human as you know it ---in a very short span of time.

    The only way to even try to hold on to being human as you know it, is to develop sealed systems. The earth is one -- for humans, that is. Any mechanical attempt by humans is going to be smaller and more mechanical. But it will still create change in humans, as the best case scenario. Changes that will be deep and begin to take place in mere generations.

    And in doing that, we will collapse our own diversity so we are even more susceptible to change due to integration with open alien spaces. Dangerously so. Ie, dangerous to our further existence. Death through lack of genetic diversity, death due to inability to handle complex spaces and places..places not 'designed' for us, places we are not integrated with in all the required myriad ways.

    Hence... sealed systems, sealed habitats as the only possible viable outcome. As they will be the only way to limit and control the level of shift (or death/extinction) in humanity due to becoming space faring. Ie, on shaky ground, at best. Genetic viability/variability takes a major downturn due to complex habitat loss. The only replacement for such a scenario is long lives and further modifications due to high technology genetic manipulation.

    Ie, aliens know more about genetic manipulation than we do as it is fundamental and necessary. And they need some genetic variability, some genetic viability. Going into space limits genetic futures, as a pairing of considerations and consequence.

    Thus, if there is alien presence on this planet, ie, beings not as that of humans as humans expect and know, those other species WILL be in sealed habitats, and those habitats will be.... underground.

    So, logically, face it..open your eyes and see it for what it is: that you are a raw wild animal in an open field, where the field and the animal are as one. You are a wild jungle beast, in the form you exist as, right now.

    And any developed space faring sentience will be 'other'. A most definite 'other'.

    So, the idea of underground bases and genetic experiments?

    Fundamental. Absolutely fundamental. Absolutely inevitable. On all fronts and firing on all logic cylinders....Logically so.

    The next domino to fall in that logic sequence: Human hybrids.
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    The next thing that comes up, in that logic sequence, that series of logic dominoes..... is that: science has discovered that genetics can change within the single given lived life. Ie that one can be born with a set of DNA/genetics and die with a variation.

    The primary location it happens? In the constantly created sperm of the human male.

    That to carry unchanged genetics forward, is within the world of cloning. Ie, that there is an incredibly strong likelihood that humanoid space faring species are most definitely into forms of cloning.

    Ie, underground bases, humanoid(ish) aliens, genetic experiments, human hybrids, cloning.

    All 100% realistic in expectations. Normal. Logical.

    So, I'm saying I have no idea if Lear, or Schneider, or Al, or whomever, or whatever bizarre seeming story might be real..

    But...a very important but... the foundation aspects of the given stories, well, that is a different matter.

    UFO's, aliens, long lived humanoid 'other' species..if real....all of this, in logic , dictates the idea and reality of...underground bases, genetic experiments, cloning, and human hybrids.

    Inescapably so. Ie, gravity. You drop a rock --- it hits the ground.

    ...if aliens exist (which is a given in today's overall considerations in science) ..then the rest follows through, with regard to being a ridiculously strong plausibility. So strong that it cannot be ignored.

    The problem is that people, for the most part... think with small circles of logic... and this sort of stuff takes big circles of logic. Very widespread detail and large data sets. Sifting skills and so on.

    This requires an exercising of the brain, an enlargement of the data set and complex considerations. It requires data sets that deeply affect emotions..which will generally cause a person to bounce off of it, with their fears ruling over their logic function.

    The mind retreats to emotions. The animal runs back into the jungle.
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    Default Re: The Phil Schneider story

    This is interesting its from the last recorded presentation which
    I posted on previous page, but it has not got the intro by Al Bielek
    on it which is on this short vid below on which he says clearly that
    it was he that encouraged Phil to go public. This I feel is very
    important for Phils credibility imo , I like to look at synchronistic
    and human interaction in these old vids the same with Billy Meier
    with Col Wendelle Stevens and others.

    It does not tell us if his testimony is true but tells me Phil was
    not a plant , fantasist or publicity seeker as far as I can tell....

    This backs up what Al Bielek said in his interview In # 13 , that
    after Phils fathers death he contacted him about material and
    documents among his fathers Oscars possessions , this led to
    Al and Phil becoming acquaintances and friends and its in this
    context Al persuaded Phil to go public with what he knew and
    had done in his career....


    The Mysterious Life and Death of Phil Schneider




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    Short but to the point clip.....

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