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    Default JFK assassination ballistics - Kerry's new audio interview with Ed Loughren

    http://projectcamelotproductions.com..._laughrin.html

    I'm listenning to it now. Nothing much new regarding the assassination but he puts forth his opinion of the trajectories of the shots (5 in total). I wish Bill and Kerry would do more JFK related interviews as I've looong found it to be a fascinating subject.

    If anyone has any links to documentories/interviews regarding the assassination, feel free to share. I don't think Oswald fired a single shot.

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    Default Re: JFK assassination ballistics - Kerry's new audio interview with Ed Loughren

    Try this one on.

    Chauncey Marvin Holt "Spooks, Hoods & The Hidden Elite"

    http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/spooks.htm




    https://youtube.com/watch?v=pjs9WJSszTA

    9m 56s 39,923 views

    Posted January 17, 2007

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    Default Re: JFK assassination ballistics - Kerry's new audio interview with Ed Loughren

    Here transcripts of the tape just released:

    THE RAAB COLLECTION

    the Original White House Version of the Kennedy
    Assassination Air Force One Tape, Thought Lost or
    Destroyed

    The foremost new addition to the historical record in one the most important events in Americanhistory, this tape predates the National Archives / Johnson Library version, is more than 30 minuteslonger, and contain new names and incidents

    It also casts light on the number of versions of the tapes, and the later creation of the public versionin the days of the Johnson administration

    Years before the creation of the LJB Library version, thought until now to be the onlysurviving one, another tape existed of conversations aboard Air Force One onNovember 22, 1963. This version was 30 minutes longer and contained new names and
    incidents. This piece of history has been long sought. The existence of this originalversion and the events and names it discloses will change the way we view thisseminal event of the 20th century.

    The assassination of John F. Kennedy: a pivotal event in American political and social history

    President Kennedy was murdered while riding in a motorcade in Dallas at 12:30 pm CST on Friday,
    November 22, 1963. Several photos and films captured the assassination, including the famous Zapruder
    Film. JFK was rushed to Parkland Hospital, where a tracheotomy and other efforts failed to keep him alive.
    After he was pronounced dead around 1 pm, his body was flown back to Washington aboard Air Force
    One, on board which were his wife Jackie and his successor, Lyndon B. Johnson. Upon landing his body
    was taken to Bethesda Naval Hospital, where an autopsy was performed, and he was buried at Arlington
    National Cemetery on Monday the 25th.

    Meanwhile, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested around 2 pm at the Texas Theatre in the Oak Cliff suburb of
    Dallas and charged with murdering a police officer named J.D. Tippit. Protesting that he was "a patsy,"
    Oswald was paraded in front of the world's gathering cameras and accused of murdering President Kennedy


    as well. He was interrogated throughout the weekend, though no recordings or transcriptions were made.
    During an intended transfer to county facilities on Sunday morning the 24th, Oswald was shot and killed on
    live television in the basement of the Dallas Police station. His murderer was a local nightclub owner with
    alleged connections to organized crime named Jack Ruby. People were stunned by all this and there was a
    wide-spread call for investigation of the Kennedy assassination and aftermath.

    Who killed Kennedy and why

    In 1964, the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, named by President
    Johnson and known as the Warren Commission, found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack
    Ruby
    were part of “any conspiracy, domestic or foreign..." The issuance of the Warren Report was
    followed about two months later by 26 volumes of hearings and exhibits, the "supporting evidence" on
    which the Report and one-assassin conclusion were based. Soon people who read the tomes were claiming
    that despite its lengthy report the investigation was half-hearted and incomplete, that there were
    discrepancies in the evidence, that information tending to place the commission’s conclusion in doubt had
    been ignored or withheld, that important witnesses had not even been interviewed, etc. They maintained
    that the official story did not stand up to scrutiny, and there must have been some conspiracy at the heart of
    the assassination. This led to widespread allegations of a government cover up, and a plethora of theories
    were proposed about who killed President Kennedy and why. The percentage of Americans who doubted
    the Warren Commission’s conclusion leaped from 39% after that report was issued to 60% in 1967.

    A demand for answers 30 years after the event

    In 1991 Oliver Stone released the film “JFK,” which examined the events leading to the assassination and
    the alleged subsequent cover-up. The film was very popular, showing again the enduring fascination of the
    public with this quintessential story of tragedy and conspiracy. It also proved to be a landmark moment
    politically, as it ignited an outcry for answers about the assassination that led to the passage of the President
    John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992. The act set up the U.S. Assassination
    Records Review Board to search for, collect and re-examine for public release assassination-related records
    held by federal agencies. The Board finished its work in 1998 and issued a final report, which though not
    containing findings on the assassination of President Kennedy, did result in the release of previously
    withheld government records and the exposure of some new additional information through its depositions
    of eyewitnesses. Yet for all the excitement and good intentions, the Board’s work spotlighted more the
    important information that was still missing than what it had been able to find.


    The famed Air Force One Tape

    There is just a trio of important sources of primary evidentiary material in the Kennedy assassination. Two
    of these are the evidence created or found in Dallas (such as acoustic evidence, ballistic evidence, and
    physical findings in the Book Depository), and the medical evidence (such as coroner’s photographs and
    reports). Essentially everything about these materials is known, and they have been analyzed and
    reanalyzed. They have not been significantly augmented for decades, and not much can be expected in the
    way of new discoveries.

    The third important source of evidence in the Kennedy assassination are the famous Air Force One tapes,
    which recorded conversations between that plane, the White House Situation Room, and other places in the
    immediate wake of the assassination. The matters discussed included the disposition of the President’s
    body, where it should be taken and how it should be removed from the plane and transported, the details of
    disagreements about these key facts, plans for where Mrs. Kennedy would be taken, attempts to organize a
    conversation about the President’s autopsy, mentions of cars, limousines and ambulances, plus innumerable
    other topics. The tapes also placed the various parties, allowing the public to learn where they were, at what
    time, and what they were saying.

    These tapes were released by the Lyndon B. Johnson Library, and they start with an announcer stating:
    “The following recording has been reproduced from ground recorded non-high fidelity tape to re-cord
    record patch communications of Air Force One.” He continues, “This tape has been edited and condensed
    to contain only pertinent information relative to events during 22nd of November, 1963. Only material
    available from radio circuits used is available.” The tapes at the National Archives and John F. Kennedy
    Library are the version provided by the Johnson Library, and no other version of the tapes has been known
    to exist. So with the only tapes available an edited version, and no answer to the questions of who ordered
    the edits or what had been edited out, the tapes themselves poured fuel on the fire and became a central part
    of the controversy.

    ARRB expressed a great deal of interest in these tapes, and in a lengthy memo stated that they contained
    important observations that would “clearly justify” its pursuing them. It was concerned about the accuracy
    of the edited version, “crude edits and breaks,” and its known discrepancies, like a conversation with
    General Heaton that was referenced at one spot but not recorded anywhere. Plus there were the questions of
    what code names, locales and call numbers were missing, and what may have been the significance of
    others statements. And most obviously, what was edited out and why.

    The ARRB went looking for the unedited tapes. It went so far as to issue a targeted request to the White
    House Communications Agency (WHCA) under penalty of perjury, and to the Air Force, seeking all


    additional records or versions of the Air Force One tapes. Neither had any such records nor knowledge of
    the disposition of any such records. So again all that was left was the Johnson Library version.

    The Discovery of the first Air Force One Assassination tape, thought lost or destroyed; Timeline of
    the versions of the Kennedy assassination tapes

    So the prevailing state of affairs has been that the LBJ tape is the only one that exists, that it was edited
    from original tapes that are presumed lost or destroyed, and that we would learn nothing else.

    Who possessed the newly discovered tape, one that is longer than the LBJ Library tape

    President Kennedy never appointed a chief of staff, but the man who undertook many of the responsibilities
    of that office was his senior military aide Chester (Ted) Clifton. Clifton was in the Dallas motorcade and
    was aboard Air Force One on that fateful day and involved in the discussions. Following the assassination,
    he was in charge of dealing with military and national security affairs in the aftermath. He retained his
    position for a while in the Johnson administration. He served from January 20, 1961 to his retirement on
    August 3, 1965.

    The raw tapes

    The ARRB established that the WHCA was responsible for communications between Air Force One, the
    White House Situation Room, and other sites on the day of the assassination. It tape recorded those actual
    communications. These were the raw tapes. They would have been at least 4 hours and 20 minutes long, as
    known portions of the tape commence no later than 1:45 EST and conclude on wheels down for Air Force
    One at approximately 6:05. The version states that it had been edited down from these.

    The first Air Force One Assassination tape

    Sometime between the end of November 1963 and July 1965, the raw WHCA tapes from November 22,
    1963 were used to create an Air Force One Assassination tape that was 2:22 minutes long. The WHCA
    labels the tape as “For General Clifton,” and it is the first identifiable tape produced. This was either the
    official White House version at that time, or it was produced specifically for Clifton. That this was the
    White House version as late as General Clifton’s retirement in August 1965 is indicated by the fact that
    Pierre Salinger was given access to at least some portions of it to research his book, “With Kennedy,”
    which was published in 1966.


    The Johnson Library edited version

    During the Johnson presidency, at some time between the end of 1965 and January 1969 when LBJ left the
    White House, a different, shorter and edited version was created. The preparer of this still had access to the
    raw tapes, showing that they existed then, and may well also have had access to the first Air Force One
    Assassination tape. In this edited version, dozens of deletions were made from the first Air Force One
    Assassination tape. This edited version went back to Texas with LBJ (leaving no version in the White
    House records), and it was given by him to the Johnson Library, where it resides today. This version is the
    one that both the Kennedy Library and National Archives have, and is the one that was made available to
    the public in the 1970s.

    The loss and/or destruction of the raw tapes and the first Air Force One Assassination tape

    The raw tapes and the first Air Force One Assassination tape never resurfaced after 1965-6. Over the years
    all efforts to find them proved fruitless. They are no longer with the White House Communications
    Agency, where they were created.

    General Clifton’s first Air Force One Assassination tape rediscovered

    General Clifton’s effects were recently disposed of by his heirs, and his copy of the original first Air Force
    One Assassination tape was among them. The reappearance of this tape is a major event in the Kennedy
    assassination case, and makes possible for the first time a complete understanding of the versions of the
    tapes and their chronology. We have had it professionally digitized, so the tape is now in both digitized and
    reel-to-reel form.

    Some clear discrepancies between the first Air Force One Assassination tape and the Johnson Library
    version, with new text quoted.

    A Selection of New Material

    (Ours was a non forensic process and therefore the differences are solely those readily audible using
    standard audio equipment)

    The anxious effort to reach Kennedy’s adversary, General Curtis LeMay.

    All references to LeMay have been deleted from the Johnson version. His aide wanted to reach him badly
    and immediately, and was trying to interrupt Air Force One transmissions to do so. (see below for more on
    LeMay). “Colonel Dorman, General LeMay's aide. General LeMay is in a C140. Last three numbers are


    497, SAM C140. His code name is Grandson. And I want to talk to him.” Any delay, he said, “would be too
    late.” LeMay’s precise location at the time of the assassination and after have been a subject of open
    speculation. This places him.

    New names, missing identities

    Someone code-named "Monument," someone referred to as "WTE," and someone named "John" referred
    to. “Hello? Can you get me Secretary Rusk? Hold on please...Cedar Rapids, give me 972. Stand by we are
    having a State Dept. join now. I'm showing a...I'll have John give you a call soon as he's done. WTE wants
    him. OK. Hold on line. 1102 3000 1104." Talking about Rusk: "He is talking to Mr. Ball. Stand by one.
    State Dept is talking to Mr. Salinger at this time. Do everything on there. You talk to Ball. Number one is
    trying to break in...” “...november alpha bravo 90. I'd like to talk to Monument who's aboard that
    aircraft.”

    Revealing the identity of code name Stranger, omitted in the LBJ version

    He was identified by Pierre Salinger in his book. “Andrews, The answer to your request is Maj. Harold R.
    Paterson, I think. Maj. Harold R. Paterson.”

    The disposition of President Kennedy’s body, and the autopsy.

    There is additional discussion as to whether it should be taken to Walter Reed or Bethesda, on procuring an
    ambulance, and on whether Mrs. Kennedy would also going there. These were areas of disagreement.

    “Andrews supplying ambulance for body to take to Walter Reed. Repeat please, repeat please. Walter Reed
    for body, Walter Reed. Over. Say again, say again.”

    The head of the Secret Service, transporting Kennedy’s body, and bringing the
    new President’s party to the White House.

    There is expanded discussion of which vehicles would pick up the body: Gerald Behn, the head of the
    Secret Service, is overheard giving his frank opinion on the matter, discussing the cars, a “black Cadillac,”
    and/or ambulances. “... a black Cadillac...I would get them out there anyways regardless Henry, get them
    out there anyways regardless of the maybe. Maybe is what they said..." Later, a separate voice remarks, “I
    am trying to order White House car 102 and 405x. I understand you are ordering two cars, is that a
    roger?” The ARRB report noted a later reference to a “black Cadillac” but since this conversation was
    omitted noted that it lacked context and might be important. This discrepancy is just one of a handful of
    such specific circumstances the ARRB notes.


    The President’s remains; Surgeon General Heaton and Admiral Burkley.

    There are expanded discussions with him. “Air Force One, Crown, I'm putting General Heaton on the line,
    over. Air Force One, Crown, go ahead. General Heaton on the line. Hello, General Heaton... General
    Heaton, this is Admiral Burkley...You...the military district of Washington in regards to the taking care of
    the remains of the President Kennedy, and we are planning on having the President taken to directly to
    Walter Reed and probably Mrs. Kennedy will also be going out there.”

    Texan Congressmen

    Someone was looking for Texan Congressmen who were there during the assassination. “Air Force 1970,
    John D. needs to know here on the ground if you have Congressmen Thomas, Thornberry and Brooks
    aboard. Can you check them out for us? Say again, Robby...The...need to know...”

    State Department communications

    There is additional material relating to the communications with State Dept. officials, coordination of their
    return information, and concern about information they were being given.

    Radio bands, logistics

    There is expanded conversation about what bands they will speak on, information valuable in assessing the
    process of communication on board Air Force One during the flight home.

    These are just a few of the points of difference we found, using the acoustic equipment at our disposal.
    Forensic equipment could certainly reveal more. Moreover, this discovery permits the application of new
    technologies to the original film and not simply to a digital file. It is the most significant piece of
    audio/visual history ever to reach the public market.

    Note on Curtis LeMay: He was the Air Force Chief and a particularly staunch opponent of the Kennedy
    administration. Robert McNamara stated that LeMay was a staunch advocate of “preemptive nuclear war to
    rid the world of the Soviet threat.” Air Force Chief Curtis LeMay, who had been advocating nuclear war
    with the Soviet Union since the early 1950s, thought Cuba was a “sideshow” and told the President that the
    United States should “fry it.” LeMay, himself a member of the Joint Chiefs, “was in the habit of taking
    bullying command of Joint Chiefs meetings,” and with LeMay leading the charge for war, “the other chiefs
    jumped into the fray, repeating the Air Force general’s call for immediate military action.” Around the time


    of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy told an aide that the administration needed to make sure that the Joint
    Chiefs did not start a war without his approval. Thirteen days after that crisis began, the Soviets announced
    that they would remove the missiles from Cuba, with the US agreeing to remove missiles from US bases in
    Turkey and “pledging not to invade Cuba.” At the announcement of the end to the crisis, General LeMay
    told Kennedy, “It’s the greatest defeat in our history,” and that, “We should invade today.” Lyndon
    Johnson had better relations with General LeMay.

    The impact of the assassination

    The long term impacts of this proved to be profound. The assassination left people more cynical and
    distrustful than before, an attitude still in evidence today. And though the Kennedy years were not really
    part of the era that followed known as the Sixties, they set off various chain reactions that led it off.

    The phenomenon of interest in the Kennedy assassination, which never seems to die

    The event took place in 1963, 48 years ago. Yet people still have a keen interest in it and very definite
    opinions. A 2009 CBS poll found that only one in 10 Americans believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted
    alone. By 74% to 13%, the public thought there was an official cover-up to keep the public from learning
    the truth about the assassination.

    This discovery is the first major change in the availability of primary resource on the assassination since the
    Commission finished its deliberations in the 1990s and the most important since the 1970s.

    The sale of the original first Air Force One Assassination tape and donation of the digitized content

    The original tape, the essence of the history itself, is being offered for sale. A professionally digitized
    version will be donated to the National Archives and John F. Kennedy Library, and be available to the
    American people; it will be given as well to the purchaser of the original reel.

    $500,000

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