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    Quote 'Methane fields on a scale not seen before' - researcher
    More than 100 fountains, but could be 'thousands'
    Could cause rapid climate change

    The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia.
    They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed.
    'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz1iMWIBlhF

    I am no expert on the matter but events like this, in the past, have been credited to mass extinctions. One such event has been named "The Great Dying".

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...an_extinction/

    I'm looking forward to some input from people knowledgeable on the matter. What are the implications to climate change and diffusion of oxygen in the atmosphere? Is the size of this particular release significant? If not, what is a significant amount?

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    First they said it was the cow farts causing global warming, so they had to move on to bigger and better things. Smells like a good B/S fear porn story to me. No pun intended.
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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    First they said it was the cow farts causing global warming, so they had to move on to bigger and better things. Smells like a good B/S fear porn story to me. No pun intended.
    If I am not mistaken, it is very well know that the Artic permafrost contains zillion tons of methane and that melting the permafrost (climate changes) releases it, making the climate changes still yet hotter, a vicious circle in a way: planet get hotter (whatever the initial cause is does not matter), permafrost melts releasing methane that in turn makes the planet still hotter. Hardly an hoax, it can be measured and it is, it has increased many times lately. Polar bears also have survival problems because their icefishing season is too short now. The first places the warming of the planet is felt is in its coldest places, the Artic and Antartic.

    Incredulity as to the cause of warming is understandable, but the effect of the planet's warming cannot be argued. Just Canadian's winters the last few seasons are extremely mild on Eastern Canada.

    Quote Arctic methane release is the release of methane from seas and soils in permafrost regions of the Arctic, as part of a more general release of carbon from these soils and seas. Whilst a long-term natural process, it may be exacerbated by global warming. This results in a weak positive feedback effect, as methane is itself a greenhouse gas. The feedback is weak, however, because methane is well-mixed globally: the local release leads to a warming spread over the whole globe.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release

    Quote Methane Time Bomb in Arctic Seas – Apocalypse Not
    By ANDREW C. REVKIN
    Dec. 19, 1:44 p.m. | Updated below |
    A very important research effort has been under way during recent summers in the warming, increasingly ice-free shallows off Russia’s Siberian coast. There, an international array of scientists has been investigating widening areas of open water that are disgorging millions of tons of methane each year.

    Given that methane, molecule for molecule, has at least 20 times the heat-trapping properties of carbon dioxide, it’s important to get a handle on whether these are new releases, the first foretaste of some great outburst from thawing sea-bed stores of the gas, or simply a longstanding phenomenon newly observed. -New York Times
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...pocalypse-not/

    Videos from different Northern countries

    The explanantion of why there is methane caught in the permafrost



    A video of the 1/3 increase of methane emission in the last 5 years and the impact in the increase of temperature



    A Swedish video saying the methane emission has greatly increased in Sweden and Russia but it is not effecting the atmosphere yet.


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    Not looking good... Id say it's time to find a big hill. Or at least get your spiritual affairs in order.

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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    First they said it was the cow farts causing global warming, so they had to move on to bigger and better things. Smells like a good B/S fear porn story to me. No pun intended.
    If I am not mistaken, it is very well know that the Artic permafrost contains zillion tons of methane and that melting the permafrost (climate changes) releases it, making the climate changes still yet hotter, a vicious circle in a way: planet get hotter (whatever the initial cause is does not matter), permafrost melts releasing methane that in turn makes the planet still hotter. Hardly an hoax, it can be measured and it is, it has increased many times lately. Polar bears also have survival problems because their icefishing season is too short now. The first places the warming of the planet is felt is in its coldest places, the Artic and Antartic.

    Incredulity as to the cause of warming is understandable, but the effect of the planet's warming cannot be argued. Just Canadian's winters the last few seasons are extremely mild on Eastern Canada.

    Quote Arctic methane release is the release of methane from seas and soils in permafrost regions of the Arctic, as part of a more general release of carbon from these soils and seas. Whilst a long-term natural process, it may be exacerbated by global warming. This results in a weak positive feedback effect, as methane is itself a greenhouse gas. The feedback is weak, however, because methane is well-mixed globally: the local release leads to a warming spread over the whole globe.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release

    Quote Methane Time Bomb in Arctic Seas – Apocalypse Not
    By ANDREW C. REVKIN
    Dec. 19, 1:44 p.m. | Updated below |
    A very important research effort has been under way during recent summers in the warming, increasingly ice-free shallows off Russia’s Siberian coast. There, an international array of scientists has been investigating widening areas of open water that are disgorging millions of tons of methane each year.

    Given that methane, molecule for molecule, has at least 20 times the heat-trapping properties of carbon dioxide, it’s important to get a handle on whether these are new releases, the first foretaste of some great outburst from thawing sea-bed stores of the gas, or simply a longstanding phenomenon newly observed. -New York Times
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...pocalypse-not/

    Videos from different Northern countries

    The explanantion of why there is methane caught in the permafrost



    A video of the 1/3 increase of methane emission in the last 5 years and the impact in the increase of temperature



    A Swedish video saying the methane emission has greatly increased in Sweden and Russia but it is not effecting the atmosphere yet.

    Whats your perspective on cow flatulence.
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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    Whats your perspective on cow flatulence.
    It is a dam HUGE cow lol

    Do not want to be near its behind. We would be blown away.
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    How's the Galactic federation going to fix this?

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    It is a dam HUGE cow lol

    Do not want to be near its behind. We would be blown away.
    I'm interested in how much methane release the atmosphere can tolerate before it begins to change its composition. I know methane in caves can kill people due to the lack of oxygen, so how significant is this amount of methane being released into the atmosphere?

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    I'm not sure (i doubt anyone is) what effect this will have on the 'breathability' of the atmosphere... but it is a given that this will increase global warming which will leave the world looking like this:

    The drama is that this is a feedback loop (the hotter it gets, the faster the ice melts, the more methane is released, the hotter it gets.) this can cause VERY rapid changes.



    shortly after that we will have an ice age, which last time happened fast enough to snap freeze the wooly mammoths mid chew.

    The last time this happened, it caused the extinction of 70% of life on land and 90% of life in water (supposedly)
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    It is a dam HUGE cow lol

    Do not want to be near its behind. We would be blown away.
    I'm interested in how much methane release the atmosphere can tolerate before it begins to change its composition. I know methane in caves can kill people due to the lack of oxygen, so how significant is this amount of methane being released into the atmosphere?
    From what I read, they do not know yet. The worry comes from the Notrhern Russia seas that are very shallow and are being warmed up by warmer rivers. Methane was not expected to be released from there at all, yet it is, and the amound of methane in those shallow seas if absolutely enormous.

    Apart from this, it seems that scientists are still lost in potentialities.

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    Quote Posted by wolf_rt (here)
    shortly after that we will have an ice age, which last time happened fast enough to snap freeze the wooly mammoths mid chew.
    More than just Wooly Mammoths, they're finding all sorts of creatures that were flash frozen, and that the area that is currently frozen was tropical. Mmm maybe those stories of Hyperborea and Thule were true after all. This is a NORMAL warming cycle for the planet. Then it will cool off again.

    As for the "what will the galactic federation do" question? We can ask the Pleiadians, or was it the Annunaki. But, anyway so I've been told/heard/ read etc. The last Floods were caused by one of the Alien Races hauling the earth out of it's closer orbit, and adding 5 days to it's rotation. And, that originally it was MUCH closer to Mars and covered in ice.
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    *Yawn*
    More propaganda garbage about climate change and ....fear mongering.


    I am not trying to attack the OP for posting this article. I am just reminding folks that we have to drop our FEAR and start to read information that will RELAX us.
    It is the MEDIA that is hell bent on keeping us in fear...
    which is preventing us from using the full potential of our brains.


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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    Whats your perspective on cow flatulence.
    Picture is worth a thousand words ... or so they say


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    Quote Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
    *Yawn*
    More propaganda garbage about climate change and ....fear mongering.


    I am not trying to attack the OP for posting this article. I am just reminding folks that we have to drop our FEAR and start to read information that will RELAX us.
    It is the MEDIA that is hell bent on keeping us in fear...
    which is preventing us from using the full potential of our brains.
    I'm not living in fear gary... i am infinite consciousness after all... that said, i'm also not buying any waterfront property.



    Quote Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
    As for the "what will the galactic federation do" question? We can ask the Pleiadians, or was it the Annunaki. But, anyway so I've been told/heard/ read etc. The last Floods were caused by one of the Alien Races hauling the earth out of it's closer orbit, and adding 5 days to it's rotation. And, that originally it was MUCH closer to Mars and covered in ice.
    I heard something similar....F'ing aliens.
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    Default Re: The Methane Problem

    Once again, the OP is predicated on the notion that greenhouse gases cause global warming, when they are merely correlated, and with a considerable time lag..

    See http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/2...ct/#more-53875

    Polar melting has to be viewed globally. When it increases in the north it is decreasing in the south and vice versa. See the above site for more details.


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    Quote Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
    *Yawn*
    More propaganda garbage about climate change and ....fear mongering.


    I am not trying to attack the OP for posting this article. I am just reminding folks that we have to drop our FEAR and start to read information that will RELAX us.
    It is the MEDIA that is hell bent on keeping us in fear...
    which is preventing us from using the full potential of our brains.

    I also don't live in fear of this, or anything else for that matter. I just found myself interested in learning more about this natural phenomena. Actually gave me a giggle first when I realized earth let off a fart! Boys will be boys eh?


    What is the source of the methane in the ice? Is it due to decomposed organic matter or is there a source deeper in the earth? I know there are many planets with a large amount of methane in their atmosphere.

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    Right on ...
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    Dear All,

    There's a very critical, and under-reported, issue which we should all be aware of: METHANE.

    Do please take a look at these five videos. This very problematic topic has been mentioned to me by two well-informed insider sources (once in 2007, and again just a month ago), and I take it very seriously.

    The various agencies — who do not make everything public! — are completely aware of the situation. We'll hear more about this as time goes on, and right now may benefit by being a little more informed than we may be currently.


    1) Arctic Methane Emergency: Economy vs. Ecology



    2) COP20: Global Arctic Methane Emergency #1 (12-4-2014 in Lima Peru)

    First press briefing of the Arctic Emergency Methane Group (AMEG) held on Dec. 4, 2014 at the 20th annual Conference of the Parties (COP 20) for the United Nation's Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) held in Lima, Peru.



    3) Abrupt climate change is underway already



    4) Methane Crisis as Underwater Hydrates Erupt



    5) Runaway Emergency: Arctic Death Spiral Before Your Eyes

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