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    This here thread has the solution that works, in total. It has an actual viable solution, that can be enacted today.

    If it were enacted with, for example, China's coal powered electric plants, and other coal fired or oil fired plants, it would drop emissions SIGNIFICANTLY. somewhere in the area of 95% plus of all emissions from the given coal or oil fired plant, would be gone. This most specifically includes C02.

    10's 0f thousands of people are doing this already, with their cars trucks, fleet vehicles, and so on.

    Hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of videos can be seen on the internet, about this technology, in-situ, in use, in various methods and ways, and so on.

    The price is low and the hardware is already an existent thing.

    NOTHING NEEDS BE INVENTED.

    NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.

    It's already here and is EASY to build, EASY to install. Almost ZERO maintenance and has NO dangers of any kind.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...oad....for-60M

    So we have the solution, and it is perfected in all ways required.

    We just need the WILL to make it happen.
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    Aluminum is poison to all life. The government should tax corporations instead and use the money to create pollution technology. Or just admit the truth, it's the solar system heating up and all this other stuff is nonsense saying there is a million tons or a trillion tons, in relation to the scale of a planet is meaningless...

    I don't trust the scientific community of today any more. We just experienced this a few years ago with Al Gore's carbon tax program that netted him over a 100 million dollar windfall. How did that help the planet again?


    Quote To Save the Planet, Don't Plant Trees

    Deforestation accounts for about 20 percent of global emissions of carbon dioxide. The assumption is that planting trees and avoiding further deforestation provides a convenient carbon capture and storage facility on the land.

    That is the conventional wisdom. But the conventional wisdom is wrong.

    In reality, the cycling of carbon, energy and water between the land and the atmosphere is much more complex. Considering all the interactions, large-scale increases in forest cover can actually make global warming worse.

    Of course, this is counterintuitive. We all learn in school how trees effortlessly perform the marvel of photosynthesis: They take up carbon dioxide from the air and make oxygen. This process provides us with life, food, water, shelter, fiber and soil. The earth’s forests generously mop up about a quarter of the world’s fossil-fuel carbon emissions every year.

    So it’s understandable that we’d expect trees to save us from rising temperatures, but climate science tells a different story. Besides the amount of greenhouse gases in the air, another important switch on the planetary thermostat is how much of the sun’s energy is taken up by the earth’s surface, compared to how much is reflected back to space. The dark color of trees means that they absorb more of the sun’s energy and raise the planet’s surface temperature.

    Climate scientists have calculated the effect of increasing forest cover on surface temperature. Their conclusion is that planting trees in the tropics would lead to cooling, but in colder regions, it would cause warming.
    Meanwhile, it recently came out that temperature data has been massively manipulated.
    This is another perfect example you have people suggesting spraying aluminum is helping the planet (sorry that's suboptimal at the very least) And now some are saying trees are bad?... Trees are life... no exception. Trees = Lifesupport... To suggest otherwise is misinformation by focusing on a subset and not looking at the bigger more complex and dynamic picture... (suboptimal again)

    Scientist's are only human, and fallible and subject to the same ego-centric weaknesses all humans are. The biggest problem in science has always been, and still is, and will continue to be... subjective human bias. The history of science is a history of mistake and errors, and those are only the ones that people had to fight for because the scientists that came up with them would rather put their ego, reputation, and politics ahead of science, or they are members of groups tied to political agendas (to put it mildly...)

    I like the idea of using the methane for energy and if necessary, appropriate a portion toward growing more trees. Before the Amazon is completely gone and we all suffocate to death.


    Quote But even if they would be, currently methane makes up 0.000179% of the atmosphere. I don't see how even a drastic increase there could be civilization-ending.
    Excellent just the stat I was looking for ... and what is 100 to 1000 x 0.000179? Let's be conservative and just say 500 for now... 0.00895% as a "conservative" worst case scenario...

    hmm.... The world needs more trees... where is the clamour for this? Anyone with me? Nature to be mastered must be obeyed. The earth already knows how to create and nurture life. All we have to do (or were supposed to do) was a little spade work. And live off the excess of the bounty.

    Even if we don't get to benefit from all the work today... we owe it to the future... no getting around it... it would be 1/10,000th the cost of building space ships and supposedly flying to another planet... (not going to happen for a few millenia)
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    [...]
    ...the Arctic is melting, but the Antarctic is freezing...
    [...]
    Actually, they are currently both freezing!

    Winter up North and ice-breaker needed down South:

    http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/u-s-ic...antarctic-ice/

    http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/antarc...oat-stuck-ice/
    Yes, Robert Felix (Ice Age Now) gave references to the freezing Antarctic. But this slide was shown by Stuart Scott in video #1, and John Nissen in video #2:



    John Nissen points out that the clear trend of the graph heads straight to what he calls a "Blue Ocean Event" — a pleasant enough name, but catastrophic when it comes — which may possibly occur as early as September of this year (2015).

    That's the point of no return, and of no ice... after which the Arctic would be ice-free. And after that, says Nissen, global weather will rapidly get REALLY unstable.

    In his presentation, Nissen said it was the most important day of his life. He is enormously concerned, and is convinced he and Dr Peter Wadhams have the engineering models correct. He points out that according to the historic global climate record, the last 8,000 years have been so stable compared with all the previous ages that's it's actually a 'fluke' that that happened at all.

    That 'fluke', he says, permitted the human population to thrive and grow to 7 billion in that short time — but that stability will soon end very dramatically.
    Then again this "fluke" may have other explanations, today's scientists are trained in materialist indoctrination, i.e. this is assumes everything is random, there is no intelligence outside their degrees and awards, which itself is really an illusion since they don't even have a consciousness, since there is "no scientific evidence" to conclusively "prove this" (believe me this passed for reason in Universities in my day) And therefore, according to this rigorous "logic" no intelligent life exists outside the physical realm of a biochemical mankind (without "consciousness") and that we happened onto this planet as a form of bacterial slime on a piece of stone several millions of millions of years ago, etc, etc, ad nauseum (even though, none of which holds water upon closer scrutiny, since it has been proven, higher complex forms of information cannot be derived from nothing... i.e. all this is just supposition, an abstraction of an abstraction, the reification of theoretically incomplete suppositions....blah blah blah...) i.e. what if our whole major premise is ALL wrong to begin with??!!

    The whole universe in fact depends on "intelligence" built into each level from the quantum to the atom to the elements... (who can explain how adding additional protons and neutrons can change lead into gold? other then by using circular reasoning? i.e. that it "simply does"? (an observation/label is not an explanation) As much as my overly literal religious zealot friends drive me nuts... I do believe there is more to this life then Washington DC and the Federal Reserve holding the universe together...

    It makes more sense the more that I do learn, that we may very well be in some kind of biospheric "zoo". I believe the dinosaurs were nothing more than terraforming automatons (contrary to the completely misleading "super intelligent" dinos in Jurassic Park...) ever since I read that the stegosaurus had a brain the size of a walnut... and a secondary "nerve center" just to operate it's tail! (think about it, these creatures could barely procreate and mulch plant matter... and for a few million years... and when their job was done... they were "conveniently" wiped out... another fluke?

    If we are meant to be wiped off the planet, I don't think there is anything we can do about it... And if there is something we can do about it... I suspect the solution does not lie solely coming up with the some shiny new gadget... it will be an inner reality change, a philosophical shift of our understanding of who we are... There is something out there, even if it is only the universe itself (the seat and source of intelligence that we are a "derivative" of)

    We are either going to align ourselves with the greater universe and become a "healthy cell" in the "universal body" or become a "cancerous cell" feeding on itself and self destructing... We are absolutely NOT the pinnacle of intelligence in the universe, not by a long shot... this realization might very well be the next biggest earth changing discovery of mankind.
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    Don't forget the role HAARP is playing in this. Take a look at the first video linked here.

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    Just summarised one of the vids for information purposes so thought I'd share it

    Remember we have zero-point energy technology being denied to the world so dealing with the capture of carbon & Methane is economically viable. Why are the Elites still sitting on it unless they want to use a potential Extinction Level Event to introduce NWO

    TURNING NATURE INTO MONEY WILL KILL US

    http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Climat...nevitable.html

    WE ARE PAST TIPPING POINT

    The worst consequence of climate disruption is likely to be release of massive amounts of methane from deep oceans due to warming of deep ocean water. Deep ocean water is warming due to excessive carbon dioxide in the air. Paleontology records from millions of years past show that life on earth has been destroyed several times before. Sudden release of massive amounts of methane could be an extinction level event (ELE). Enough methane is frozen in deep ocean water to kill us if suddenly released.

    The Carbon Bubble - Arctic Methane Emergency. Earth vs Money

    http://youtu.be/ATIm8Ov1Fks

    Organic material trapped in the permafrost releases methane, 84 times worse than carbon dioxide - Methane veil is spreading from the Arctic

    Arctic ice is disappearing exponentially
    Total Methane in atmosphere is 5 giga tons
    Siberian Arctic Shelf contains 500 to 5000 giga tons of methane
    A 1% leak would double earth methane levels
    Estimated that 50 giga tons will leak - more than x10 current levels
    400ppm to 800 ppm of carbon dioxide - not survivable
    Estimated +2 deg C by mid century & +4deg C by end of century - devastating effects
    Predicted to be very bad within the next 20 years
    Iran Leifer - Atmospheric scientist - we should be making plans now to survive +4deg C rise
    Only a few thousand people may survive who take refuge in the Arctic
    Pre- industrial level was 720 ppm, 2362ppm recorded in Jan 2014
    Drought conditions expected
    The USA, Mediterranean and Europe would be toast
    Reliant upon Russia and Northern China for food production

    The Global Operating System is seriously flawed - based on Money & Economics
    Neoclassical economics
    Turning Nature into Money Will Kill Us
    Money is killing the host ( the masses)
    Need Ecological Balance

    IPCC 5th Report
    In order to stay below 2deg C of Global warming 66% to 80% of all fossil fuels reserves of all companies and nations are unburnable
    If we are to save the planet we must write off $28 trillion in standard fossil fuel assets
    As investors wake up to these huge risks of owning stocks the bubble will burst
    Many corporates work hard to make Global Warming come sooner

    Paul Beckwith
    What happens in the Arctic does not stay in the Arctic
    Extreme warming amplification process
    Melted snow and ice cover does not reflect solar energy
    It destabilises the atmosphere and slows the jet stream where much colder & warmer air is spread
    We get feedback loop - moving more heat to Arctic eventually fractures jet stream
    Weather becomes destabilised and unpredictable - happening at just 0.85deg C change
    The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing


    Typically oceans and soil have absorbed about the same amount of decaying vegetation, creating balance
    We now have 30% more carbon dioxide in the air than in any other period in the last 800k years

    Sources of Carbon Dioxide
    Decaying vegetation 90%
    Burning fossil fuels 3% to 10%

    A strategy to reduce climate disruption.

    We do need to reduce our use of fossil fuels as part of our strategy. However, reducing the use of fossil fuels--even stopping the use of fossil fuels--is no longer sufficient to avoid climate disruption; climate disruption has already started.

    The most powerful strategy we can use to minimize climate disruption is to pyrolyze a percentage of decaying vegetation. In pyrolysis, most of the carbon in the vegetation converts to a solid (biochar) instead of releasing the carbon into the air as carbon dioxide. The biochar, in turn, can be used in the soil to increase the soil's productivity.

    To pyrolyze is to heat to 500 degrees Celsius, without oxygen. Existing or abandoned coal-fired power stations could be adapted to pyrolyze massive amounts of decaying vegetation. Existing coal-fired power stations have the infrastructure that pyrolysis of vegetation needs: furnaces to pyrolyze the vegetation and rail systems to bring the vegetation to the stations. The coal-fired stations also have the generators and other necessary support for distribution of electricity resulting from using the vegetation as fuel.

    Municipalities could collect yard waste and provide it for fuel. Forestry departments could provide forestry waste for fuel. Farmers could provide crop waste for fuel. Prairie grass could be planted on non-arable land and harvested for fuel. We can do this now.

    Problem: We are at the tipping point of catastrophic climate change and we are not responding with a solution.

    Solution: Pyrolyze 70 gigatons of organic waste (biomass) to sequester carbon dioxide as carbon char (biochar) instead of having the waste emit that amount of carbon dioxide into the air; this can reduce the total amount of carbon dioxide in the air. Also reduce use of fossil fuels. The combination of pyrolysis and reduction of use of fossil fuels needs to get carbon dioxide levels down to 285 ppm globally.

    Action: Work with environmentalists to ensure effective use of pyrolysis at the city, county, state, and federal levels. Work with environmentalists globally, especially China, the United States, and India, to reach the goal of converting at least 1,000 coal-fired power stations to biomass-pyrolysis power stations. Keep a running tabulation on the number of power stations converted to biomass pyrolysis and location.

    Work with your local legislators to pass laws supporting the conversion of coal-fired power stations to biomass-pyrolysis power stations.

    Work with the media to ensure that the public knows about the myths and the truth of climate disruption. Work with media to measure the amount of biochar generated in each city, municipality, county, and state. Pressure the EPA to put measurement of biochar creation on their list of high-priority measures for climate change.

    Goals

    1. Environmental organizations need to make pyrolysis of biomass a priority.
    2. Governments at all levels need to make support of pyrolysis an urgent priority.
    3. Humanity needs to make the conversion of at least 1,000 coal-fired plants a priority globally.

    References:

    http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Climat...e_Balance.html

    http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Classr...o_Biomass.html

    http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Classr...te_Change.html

    Example
    Provides an approach to using vegetation waste (grass and straw) as a fuel for a 3 million watt (megawatt) pyrolysis power station. The station also keeps carbon dioxide in the waste from entering the air by conveting it to a solid carbon, biochar, that can be used to improve soil productivity."
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    Default Re: The Methane Problem

    It was warmer on Earth during the so-called Medieval Warm Period than it is today. You can find this image all over the internet.



    Was human civilisation wiped out by the extra warmth? No.

    Did we have catastrophic methane releases then? No.

    Granted, we had a lot more forest then to absorb any extra CO2 and we did not have industry or power generation or transportation that burns oil, coal or gas.

    As for the alarmists who suggest that re-planting forests will lead to an increase of average surface temperatures, I invite them to stand under a shady tree on a hot day or better still, walk into any dense forest and feel (or measure) that it is 7 to 10 degrees C cooler inside the forest than it is in an adjacent clearing. The leaves do NOT radiate more heat than bare ground.

    Most of the forest clearing and CO2 emissions from burning carbon-based fuels occurred in the last 50 to 100 years. It used to take days to cut down giant trees and hours to cut down smaller trees. By comparision, it takes seconds to plant trees mechanically and minutes to plant trees by hand. We could, if we set our minds to it, re-plant forests much faster than they were cleared. And those forests would soak up huge amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere.

    We now have the knowledge of how to green deserts using no more water than falls from the sky.




    We know how to re-grow large areas of tropical rainforests, very quickly, so that humans only need to use a tiny percentage of the total area re-planted.




    In China's Loess Plateau we have an outstanding example of repairing and re-planting vast areas of land destroyed by humans over thousands of years. Approximately 35,000 square kilometres was re-planted in a decade. See photos and Green Gold video below:

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    "The best time to plant a tree is ten years ago. The second best time to plant a tree is now."

    "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it."
    - Chinese Proverbs




    The last segment of the first video in the opening post was about biochar. I do not believe this is the whole answer but it does have the potential to store carbon in the soil for thousands of years and to significantly increase the growth rate of plants, among many other benefits.

    Approximately 90 million hectares of soil in the Amazon contains large amounts of biochar, mostly dated between 450 BC and 950 AD.

    My post from 2012 contains a lot of information and videos about biochar and other very useful things which can help us in so many ways. What happened to those projects? As it turns out, my announcement was premature because the promised funding was not delivered. Since then, other much larger promises to fund much larger projects in at least four countries have been made and the funding will be available "in two weeks" (in other words, not yet). That's disappointing but I am not disheartened because I know we can do it.


    I don't doubt that if all of the frozen methane was released in a very short period, we'd have a serious problem. That apparently didn't happen during the Medieval Warm Period so I doubt it is (more) likely to happen now.

    Now we have a lot more instruments and people measuring and observing and several methods (radio, television and internet) for reporting a lot more details more quickly than ever before. I think the real problem is information overload and manipulative tricksters trying to cash in on our fear and confusion. The real world is far more complex than the models and frankly the models are flawed.

    Meteorologists can't accurately and reliably predict the weather a few days in advance. Climatologists certainly can't accurately predict climate change several decades or a century in advance. They are guessing and they are trying to scare the crap out of us to make us PAY.

    If we (humanity collectively) put 10% as much time and energy into greening deserts and re-planting forests as we put into climate hysteria and scaremongering, the job would be half completed by now. There are hundreds of things or events that could wipe out most life this planet. Let's put more focused effort into doing what we CAN do NOW and less effort into fearing all the things we can't control.

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    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    Aluminum is poison to all life. The government should tax corporations instead and use the money to create pollution technology. Or just admit the truth, it's the solar system heating up and all this other stuff is nonsense saying there is a million tons or a trillion tons, in relation to the scale of a planet is meaningless...
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    To be clear, I didn't mention this in defense of the chemtrails just as a possible clarification.

    Quote Posted by guayabal (here)
    Don't forget the role HAARP is playing in this. Take a look at the first video linked here.
    Great, that you mention HAARP ... because that crossed my mind too. The 2nd link that I offered shows that heat is needed
    for certain reactions.

    So, here's another dot that could be connected: Experiments with the HAARP Ionospheric Heater
    HAARP is used as a 'heater' and articles that I've read in the past mention that HAARP often is used after spraying the chemtrails.

    I wonder if there's an additional connection to the weird (un-meltable) snow reports that showed up recently ...

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    Great post excellent but Global warming has proved to be a hoax because the climate has been getting colder for last couple years

    The Earth Is Cooling
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...th-is-cooling/

    personal I think there is a cycle this cycle comes from the sun as does our weather indeed many people have been saying there is a ice mini only coming so a 4 degree temperature increase will be welcomed by all

    A former White House and Nasa scientist says that due to the cycles of the Sun we are due a 30 year mini Ice Age

    http://www.spaceandscience.net/id1.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIEAOAOgyI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqLIPTnQK-g

    also see Rolf Witzsche

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9abiktFkWo

    and Piers Corbyn

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    Www.floodmap.net

    Positive feedback loop

    Leading to a fast flip

    What eventually arrests the process? Cloud cover. It's a warm wet future with a lot of dry areas blooming, but higher sea level.
    It has happened before
    People will have time to move

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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    Whence methane (IF) captured, there remains the transport issue. In Nigeria for instance, probably THE number 1 or number 2 contributor to global hydrocarbon waste gas emission into the atmosphere besides Russia, is that if methane would be captured, there is no infra-structure to contain it or transport it.

    As it comes down to $$$ being pocketed by tptb controlling the resource being emitted, spending many billions for a pipeline is not conducive to a ptb structure who would rather pocket the $$$ and let the emissions happen.. That is the reality in the majority of the methane AND CO2 and carbon black (soot) producers..

    The PTB mindset is ignore it, and take the $$$ and stall. This is a political issue..

    World Bank has said, no more loans to those countries who still allow for emissions from for instance associated methane gas release or burning.. The likelihood that the methane and CO2 producers will listen is snoball chance in hades..
    If there is enough customers " infra-structure to contain it or transport it" can be quickly restored. It had been tested.
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    I heard about the Artic Methane release a few years ago, and since, i had a weird form of thinking about it.

    Although I understand CO2 release and damage, how biochar could work, that the whole solar system may be warming up, etc etc., I also always have an underneath unhealthy suspicion about something else.

    Call me paranoïd if you want, but this starts on the premises that some beings may want a warmer planet for themselves. Therefore created our demise partly through our own stupidity through using petroleum etc, and partly planned for their benefit, therefore creating CO2 release which in turn will create methane release, which will all turn the planet into a human inferno, to the pleasure of a conquering race. Who, by the way, may not be able to breath oxygen. Who may in fact be damaged by oxygen.

    Up to a point where at some point I had asked Simon Parkes what Reptilians were breathing. I was expecting methane, but his answer was not it, although he hesitated before answering. He told me though that oxygen is detrimental to them and they have to wear a breathing device when coming in 3D.

    Anyhow, food for thought

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    Flash, I've had the same thought about the insanity of building nuclear reactors that can melt down and turn the planet into a radiation cess pool.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I heard about the Artic Methane release a few years ago, and since, i had a weird form of thinking about it.

    Although I understand CO2 release and damage, how biochar could work, that the whole solar system may be warming up, etc etc., I also always have an underneath unhealthy suspicion about something else.

    Call me paranoïd if you want, but this starts on the premises that some beings may want a warmer planet for themselves. Therefore created our demise partly through our own stupidity through using petroleum etc, and partly planned for their benefit, therefore creating CO2 release which in turn will create methane release, which will all turn the planet into a human inferno, to the pleasure of a conquering race. Who, by the way, may not be able to breath oxygen. Who may in fact be damaged by oxygen.

    Up to a point where at some point I had asked Simon Parkes what Reptilians were breathing. I was expecting methane, but his answer was not it, although he hesitated before answering. He told me though that oxygen is detrimental to them and they have to wear a breathing device when coming in 3D.

    Anyhow, food for thought
    You are correct.
    Those individuals who have invested in Water Scarcity and have purchased land surrounding aquifers,
    are among those who would prefer the desert planet reality.

    Some call them reptilians,
    but i'm wondering if that's a tongue in cheek reference to,
    Those Who Must Not Be Named,
    due to politics

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    Whence methane (IF) captured, there remains the transport issue. In Nigeria for instance, probably THE number 1 or number 2 contributor to global hydrocarbon waste gas emission into the atmosphere besides Russia, is that if methane would be captured, there is no infra-structure to contain it or transport it.

    As it comes down to $$$ being pocketed by tptb controlling the resource being emitted, spending many billions for a pipeline is not conducive to a ptb structure who would rather pocket the $$$ and let the emissions happen.. That is the reality in the majority of the methane AND CO2 and carbon black (soot) producers..

    The PTB mindset is ignore it, and take the $$$ and stall. This is a political issue..

    World Bank has said, no more loans to those countries who still allow for emissions from for instance associated methane gas release or burning.. The likelihood that the methane and CO2 producers will listen is snoball chance in hades..
    If there is enough customers " infra-structure to contain it or transport it" can be quickly restored. It had been tested.
    Kinda depends on where the release sources are.

    In Africa, the prime releaser of the carbon black, the hydrocarbon soot from flaring, the methane release from the wells, and the CO2 formation is from Nigeria. There is no user available for the well gas.

    Here you can see in Kazakhstan's fiasco's with intense methane release (and CO2) from leaky pipelines, and wells and the so called "solution":

    Quote Feb. 13 2014 (Bloomberg) -- Kazakhstan made a move against the Kashagan venture for allegedly exceeding pollution levels by burning off natural gas to clear leaky pipelines from the country’s biggest oil field.

    The ecology department in Atyrau, the Caspian Sea region where the project operates, sent the results of its gas-flaring review to the Kashagan venture on Feb. 8 and has a month to estimate the economic damage, the Environment and Water Resources Ministry said today in an e-mailed reply to questions.

    Kazakhstan, which devalued its currency by 19 percent on Feb. 11 to boost its economic competitiveness, is considering a $1.2 billion fine to punish the partners in the Kashagan oil field for pollution from the flaring last year, according to two people with knowledge of the matter. Output at the field has been halted since October, less than a month after it started, because of defects found in pipes carrying lethal sulfur-laden natural gas from the oil field.

    The partners, which include Eni SpA, Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell Plc and the Kazakhstan’s state oil producer, are accused of burning more than the permitted level of natural gas at both the project’s production island in the Caspian Sea and the onshore processing plant, the people said.
    Notice the international "Partners". And that the solution is to FINE (financially penalize) the players. That has not been shown to work though..

    In Nigeria, the government IS interested in who IS flaring, releasing methane and CO2 and carbon black soot (from the burning)..

    (Source)

    Knowing that the "Partners" will pay fines to be allowed to FLARE (and not capture the gas), and the government WANTS the extra BILLION $$ to go into their pockets, they have started using high tech satellites to see WHO is flaring, so they can BILL the offender..

    Quote Nov. 27 2014 (Bloomberg) -- Nigeria has started using a satellite tracking system to help it bring in more than $1 billion a year in fines it could charge for illegal gas flaring.

    The new gas flare tracker is an online map showing data from a U.S. National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration satellite that will observe natural gas fires when orbiting over Nigeria.

    The measurements it records will feed into estimates of how much gas is burned, its carbon dioxide content, and its potential value.

    “It has the ability to calculate the amount of unpaid fines owed by facility owners, estimated at $1.1 billion per year,” Environment Minister Laurentia Laraba Mallam said today at an event unveiling the system in the capital, Abuja. While it was outlawed in 1984, the burning of gas that occurs in oil deposits “is still a major cause of human and environmental issues across the country,” she said.
    Is there "profit" in methane/natural gas ? No, it is kept artificially devalued... where oil may be going for 50$ a barrel (where it was artificially inflated to 108$ a barrel), gas is kept at an equivalent of 2$ a barrel.. nobody makes money that way, so why spend 100 million $ on a pipeline, or more when it is easier to "pay the fine" pollute and damage the environment and people's lives, allow the politico to pocket the fines, and the situation stays as it was.. nothing changes..

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    No, really, Tesla - they're reptilian. As in reptiles. As in lizards. From a different dimension.

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    I didn't immediately understand this post, but it's a reference to a 1996 movie called The Arrival. The film never won any Oscars, but the Sci-Fi premise was loosely based around runaway global warming. I watched it last night. Here's a screenshot from one scene:


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    Ice core samples confirm that the sequence is warming leads to higher co2.
    Tonnes of melted tundra bog are releasing a volume of Co2 that dwarves man's efforts.

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    Hello Siblings,

    It seems that Russian scientists are also worried
    about the climatic risks of thawing permafrost.

    The story reports on the 'mysterious' appearance of
    sink holes, 20 of them, in the northern Russian Yamal Peninsula.

    http://rt.com/news/235219-craters-siberia-yamal-lake/

    However the story also notes that these holes are not too
    far away from Gazprom’s Bovanenkovo gas field.
    Perhaps the gas extraction in some way weakens the
    foundations upon which the surface rests.. and so
    subsidence leads to sink holes..... perhaps.

    be happy

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    Quote While Obama spent weeks apprising us before, during, and after of the UN climate talks in Paris which are set to cost developed nations upwards of $100 billion dollars a year — an estimated $170 billion to US GDP in 2030 — all so they can lower the planet's temperature a whole 1.5 degrees... Have you heard the man say anything about the massive "unstoppable" methane leak in California that's been happening this whole time? They're calling it the worst environmental disaster since the BP oil spill. No one has any idea how to stop or fix it.

    Punchline? This leak has put out the equivalent of what six coal fired power plants (the ones Obama wants to regulate out of existence) would put out in 20 YEARS while the UN climate change talks in Paris were going down and it's still spewing methane into the air like a volcano right now. The president who cares so much about the environment hasn't mentioned it once.




    A California Gas Leak Is the Biggest Environmental Disaster Since the BP Oil Spill

    No quick relief from methane leak for residents of California town

    Infrared Footage Shows Just How Terrifyingly Bad California's Gas Leak Is




    Quote 'Unprecedented' gas leak in California is the climate disaster version of BP's oil spill

    A massive natural gas leak in Aliso Canyon, California, about 25 miles north of Los Angeles, has been spewing about 62 million standard cubic feet of methane per day into the air since a well casing mysteriously suffered damage on Oct. 23 of this year.

    The leak is unlikely to be squelched for another three to four months, according to SoCalGas, as crews have to drill about 8,500 underground to intersect with the base of the leaking pipe.

    Already, more than 1,000 people in Porter Ranch and Northridge, California have temporarily relocated due to health complaints related to the fumes from the leak. In addition, the Los Angeles Unified School District's Board of Education decided on Dec. 17 to temporarily relocate two schools for the rest of the 2015-16 school year.The Aliso Canyon leak demonstrates a potential blind spot in the nascent regulatory system for overseeing the country's growing natural gas infrastructure. Companies are being pushed to contain leaks in their natural gas pipelines and at facilities that burn natural gas, but underground storage areas, of which there are more than 300 nationwide, aren't subjected to specific standards that might have prevented this leak.California has been monitoring the air quality in the Porter Ranch community, which is closest to the leak and where many people have complained about health issues. They have found that, so far, the level of pollutants in the air, including benzene, which can be extremely hazardous when present in particularly high levels, has remained below the threshold where they would be considered dangerous.

    However, natural gas odorants can cause adverse physical symptoms, including nausea and headaches, despite the lack of long-term health risk. A spokesman for SoCalGas told Mashable that the company "recognizes the impact this incident is having on the environment," but said it's unsure exactly how much gas has escaped so far.
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