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    Rachel Maddow: HUGE Methane GAS LEAK Impacting Town & Environment



    Published on 5 Dec 2015

    This Methane gas leak is equivalent to 1/4 of all the greenhouse gas emissions from
    California each day. Rachel reports on a weeks-long natural gas leak from a storage
    facility in Porter Ranch, California that is sickening residents, forcing evacuations
    and threatening the environment as repeated attempts to stop the leak fail and a
    final solution potentially months away.
    From TRMS, MSNBC



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    Methane Continues to Spew Into Air Over California’Absolutely Uncontained’:

    By David Icke on 29th December 2015



    ‘In what is being called the worst environmental disaster since the Gulf of Mexico BP oil spill in
    2010, methane gas has been pouring into the air over California’s Aliso Canyon, near Los Angeles,
    at the rate of approximately 1200 tons each day since October.

    The massive leak is spewing 110,000 pounds of the gas per hour from a cold-war era energy
    facility storage. Currently 1,700 homes have had to be evacuated, and the Southern California
    Gas Company estimates that they will not be able to stop the leak until “late February or late March.”

    The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) released footage taken with an infrared camera showing
    massive amounts of the foul smelling gas billowing from the leak and called it “one of the biggest
    leaks we’ve ever seen reported” and “absolutely uncontained.”’

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20151229/1...-disaster.html
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    WoW I bet it is really hard and dangerous to deal with!

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    Jerry is a government corporate bluedog. He will sell out the people for the state profits on resources. It's always been about the resources that pay money regardless of race creed or color, it's always about the greed. If you smell greed, it looks like greed, it's greed. Insatiable greed.

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    What Went Wrong at Porter Ranch?

    Before she retired in 2014, Anneliese Anderle was a field engineer for the Division of Oil, Gas and Geothermic Resources, which regulates oil drilling. She worked out of offices in Bakersfield, Cypress and Ventura, and for a while she was responsible for monitoring the massive natural gas storage field at Aliso Canyonouthern California Gas owns the facility, which distributes gas to 14 power plants and 21 million customers. In her years monitoring wells at Aliso Canyon, Anderle says she got to know the gas company as "a first-class operation."

    The company tended to be conservative, and to do things rigorously and by the book. But the wells at Aliso Canyon were aging, and many were starting to wear out.

    "They have a beautiful facility," she says. "It's gleaming. They have great roads and well-marked pipelines. Everything's painted. But just below the surface, it's junk."

    On Oct. 23, gas company employees noticed a leak out of the ground near a well called SS-25. It was late afternoon, so they decided to come back in the morning to fix it.

    The next day, however, their efforts were unsuccessful. Gas was now billowing downhill into Porter Ranch, an upscale community on the northern edge of the San Fernando Valley. Customers were beginning to complain about the smell.

    Gas leaks are not uncommon, and it took a couple weeks for this one to become news. When Anderle heard about it, in early November, she pulled up the well record on a state website. The file dates back to when the well was drilled in 1953. As she looked it over, she zeroed in on a piece of equipment 8,451 feet underground called a sub-surface safety valve.

    If it were working properly, the gas company would be able to shut down the well. The fact that SoCalGas hadn't meant, to her, that it must be broken. The records indicated that it had not been inspected since 1976.

    "That's almost 40 years," she says. "It's a long time to leave it in the well."

    As weeks went by and further efforts to stop the leak failed, it became clear that the company was dealing with an unprecedented catastrophe.

    On Dec. 15, the Weekly interviewed Rodger Schwecke, a SoCalGas executive who is helping to coordinate the response to the leak. Asked about the safety valve, he said it wasn't damaged. It actually wasn't there.

    "We removed that valve in 1979," he said.

    He pointed out that the valve was old at that time and leaking. It also was not easy to find a new part, so the company opted not to replace it. If SS-25 were a "critical" well — that is, one within 100 feet of a road or a park, or within 300 feet of a home — then a safety valve would be required. But it was not a critical well, so it was not required.

    "Now there's definitely going to be a push for changing the regulations," Anderle said, when told of the missing valve. "You get rid of a safety valve because it wasn't working? A safety valve would have shut the damn well down! They're in a bunch of trouble."

    Gas has now been spewing out of the ground at Aliso Canyon for two months. The gas company expects it to continue for up to another three months. Methane is a potent contributor to climate change. By one estimate, the leak is producing greenhouse gas emissions equivalent to the tailpipes of 2.3 million cars.

    The Aliso Canyon leak has increased the state's methane emissions by 21 percent. As of now, 2.3 percent of the state's entire carbon footprint is coming from one hole in the ground above Porter Ranch.

    "This is an environmental disaster," said Mayor Eric Garcetti, who stopped by Porter Ranch Community School in November, just before flying to Paris for the United Nations climate change conference. "It's devastating. It makes you question the long-term sustainability of a carbon-based power system."....

    http://www.laweekly.com/news/what-we...-ranch-6405804

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    This isn't from fracking, they pulled the shutoff valve out from 1.5 miles down in 1979 and never replaced it...

    This leak started in November....

    They could have shut this down with cement, but then they have the cost of redrilling a whole new well...

    This has just been a storage well since 1976, now it is leaking with no cutoff below



    Strange coincidence to be noted...

    The leak started right after the slow moving blue flame rocket launch... Can someone find its trajectory?
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    People told to evacuate. Residents becoming very ill, nosebleeds, nausea.
    from BPEarthWatch

    Quote http://enenews.com/doctors-very-unus...-living-scienc
    Doctors: “Very unusual” infections being reported around massive gas blowout in LA… “If you’re able to leave do it now, I’m telling you it’s really critical” — Official: Toxic plume is spreading far away, it’s a national disaster — TV: “We’re a living science experiment” (VIDEO)
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    they are saying it could take up to 4 months to stop..... this is supposedly like 70x worse than "co2" for "green house gasses" yet still, no huge uproar, no "gulf oil spill" reaction..... very odd behavior from the MSM on this one.
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    California Governor Jerry Brown finally declared a state of emergency on Wednesday, concerning the ongoing, currently unstoppable methane gas leak spewing from Aliso Canyon that has created a nightmare for residents of Porter Ranch.

    “I will tell you, this goes well beyond Porter Ranch. We’ve had complaints from as far as Chatsworth, Northridge, and Granada Hills,” emphasized Los Angeles City Councilman Mitchell Englander during a Porter Ranch town hall meeting on December 28. “Apparently this plume of toxic chemicals and whatever it might be, doesn’t know zip codes […] This is the equivalent of the BP oil spill on land, in a populated community.”

    Aliso Canyon sits less than two and a half miles from Porter Ranch and less than 30 miles from the city of Los Angeles — the second most populous city in the United States — whose outlying total statistical area includes nearly 18 million residents, as of 2013.

    Brown has been widely criticized for lack of decisive action on the leak, which is erupting from its underground storage area with all the force “of a volcano.” Under Wednesday’s declaration, “all state agencies will utilize state personnel, equipment, and facilities to ensure a continuous and thorough state response to this incident.”

    Porter Ranch residents have been evacuating the area for some time, though SoCalGas’ rather maladroit handling of the relocation procedure has been a nightmare — and the cause for a mounting number of lawsuits, including one from the L.A. city attorney’s office.

    Los Angeles City Attorney Mike Feuer filed a civil lawsuit last month concerning the massive methane leak’s impact on area residents’ health and damage to the environment — which alleged failure by SoCalGas to prevent the leak and further exacerbation of “the effects of that failure by allowing acute odor and health problems faced by the community to persist for more than a month, to say nothing about the indefinite time it will persist into the future.”

    Pediatrician Dr. Richard Kang gave an ominous warning during the Porter Ranch meeting, saying, “Unfortunately, the only real way to get away from the symptoms is… you have to relocate — you have to get away from the environment.” Health complaints include severe headaches, nosebleeds, respiratory issues including increasing cases of asthma, and a number of other issues.

    SoCalGas, in the meantime, stated they were “providing air filters for people’s homes,” but though “the odor added to the leaking gas can cause symptoms for some, the gas is not toxic and county health officials have said the leak does not pose a long-term health risk.”

    But, as the Los Angeles Daily News reported on December 25, “Los Angeles County health officials said prolonged exposure to trace chemicals, some of which are known carcinogens, can cause long-term health effects.” Nevertheless, they also “cautioned that levels examined so far here are not believed to be associated with long-term health problems.”

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    In fact, as Erin Brockovich pointed out, “no one really knows the long-term side effects of benzene and radon, the carcinogens that are commonly found in natural gas.”

    Additionally, area house pets seem particularly vulnerable — possibly acting the part of unwitting canaries — as veterinarian Dr. David Smith described in the town hall meeting. Noting he has seen dozens of sickened animals, Smith said, “I’ve seen dogs, cats, birds, pocket pets… the primary symptoms I’ve seen are gastrointestinal vomiting […]These are not things you should be inhaling.” He added, “We have seen dermatological issues as well, some very unusual bacterial infections in dogs,” including one case in which a dog had such an infection on its face, and “the client developed almost the exact same kind of symptoms soon after that […] their physician thinks it’s related [to exposure from the gas leak] and so I tend to think these correlations are real.”

    Though the declaration of emergency states “the Division of Oil, Gas, and Geothermal Resources shall continue its prohibition against Southern California Gas Company injecting any gas into the Aliso Canyon Storage Facility,” it does not make that moratorium dependent on stoppage of the leak; rather, only “until a comprehensive review, utilizing independent experts […] is completed.”

    Physician Dr. Brooks Michaels, addressing the town hall meeting, gave the sternest advice to those still in the area surrounding the unprecedented leak:

    If you have a chance to leave, if you’re able to leave… if you have a chance to relocate, do it now. I’m telling you, it’s really critical.

    Understandably, Brown’s state of emergency seems almost too little, too late for many.

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    The gas company says, ‘This is just the smell you’re reacting to, it’s just temporary, it’s not a problem, it’s not serious’ — these people aren’t stupid,” said attorney Rex Paris. “How could somebody possibly say that? We have children whose noses are bleeding every day, we have people who suffer from chronic headaches [and] are nauseous every, single day. How does that not become a serious issue? Why are they saying something nobody here believes? […] They’re trying to convince everybody that it’s all in our heads. It’s a trick.



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    Quote Governor declares state of emergency in connection with California methane leak
    No state funds will be used to fix it, but some gas storage sites must now be monitored.

    On Wednesday evening, California Governor Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Los Angeles County in connection with a massive natural gas leak that’s ongoing at a Southern California Gas Company storage facility. The leak, which began on October 23, has been spewing methane into the air at a rate of tens of thousands of kilograms (PDF) per hour.

    Governor Brown’s declaration of a state of emergency requires that SoCal Gas and other gas storage facility operators throughout California start conducting daily inspections of well heads and implement infrared imaging technology to detect leaks. Facility operators will have to monitor the wells for mechanical integrity, gas pressure, and safety on an ongoing basis.

    The emergency declaration doesn’t earmark any state funds to help fund a cleanup, but it orders the California Public Utilities Commission to "ensure that Southern California Gas Company covers costs related to the natural gas leak and its response, while protecting ratepayers.”

    The leaking storage facility is located in the Aliso Canyon area, just north of Los Angeles, close to the community of Porter Ranch. SoCal Gas has insisted that the leaking methane is not damaging to human health, but it has relocated thousands of Porter Ranch residents due to the fact that the odorless, colorless, very flammable methane is treated with chemicals that can cause headaches, nausea, and nosebleeds.
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-methane-leak/



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    I kind of boycotted the LA times last year as I was done with MSM and their CIA staff members posing as "journalists" but they have a article on this leak here as follows;

    “My entire family is sick”

    By Daniela Gerson and Priya Krishnakumar
    contact the reporters


    Jan. 7, 2015

    Bloody noses for the first time in 40 years. A Christmas Eve spent vomiting in urgent care. No health impacts whatsoever.

    This is how Porter Ranch-area residents responded to an L.A. Times questionnaire on the massive Aliso Canyon gas leak’s impact on their health. We culled through scores of responses and mapped them, with the permission of respondents. Read about their experiences or add your own below.


    I have headaches, runny nose, cough, blurry vision, diarrhea. I had smelled gas one day when I was in the garage and went out and bought a gas detector at Walmart's before I was even aware there was a gas leak. We have two dogs and three grandchildren...My wife and I are both in our mid to late sixties, and have health concerns for us and our small pets.

    —Gary Rubin


    Symptoms: Dizziness, Headaches, Nosebleeds

    When did you move to the area? 1990-2000

    Why did you move to Porter Ranch? An attractive community with nice homes and neighborhoods.

    Responses have been lightly edited for clarity.

    Full coverage »
    How is the Porter Ranch leak impacting you? Please help us share the story of the leak’s effects on your community by telling us about your experience. View survey

    http://graphics.latimes.com/porter-ranch-residents/

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...htmlstory.html

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    Silly humans and some thought Fukushima would just go away ... those cores are moving around in the earth's mantle ...
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    An article on todays headline page...


    How Corporate Greed Caused the Massive California Methane Leak

    By David Icke on 9th January 2016

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    How Corporate Greed Caused the Massive California Methane Leak
    Tuesday, 05 January 2016 16:30
    By The Daily Take Team, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed


    ‘If you don’t live on the West Coast of the United States, you might not have heard
    about the massive gas well leak that’s been venting natural gas into the atmosphere
    at a rate of more than 100,000 pounds per hour for more than two months.

    Infrared video that the Environmental Defense Fund captured in December shows
    that the natural gas is billowing like a volcano just above Burbank, California, on a
    hilltop in the Aliso Canyon area.

    That video was taken over a month after the leak started on October 23, after the
    well had already ejected an estimated 80,000 tons of methane into the atmosphere.’



    A massive gas well leak in Burbank, California may not be plugged for another three
    months. In 1979, the Southern California Gas Company had the original safety valve
    removed from the well and never replaced it as they weren't required to by law.
    (Image: Safety valve via Shutterstock)


    Read more: How Corporate Greed Caused the Massive California Methane Leak


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    http://enenews.com/state-emergency-i...nk-pandemonium
    Quote State of Emergency now underway for L.A. gas blowout — Oil begins raining down on homes — Official: “It’s on the brink of pandemonium” — Many worry plume will ignite, cause explosion — Concern over geysers, sinkholes being created — Company: Experts have “never seen anything like this”
    I looked at other references on this site (off topic) - horrifying toxicity in west coast, very sad....
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    From that page... a stark summary:

    Los Angeles Times, Jan 5, 2016 (emphasis added): Utility is installing screens to contain oily mist at leaking well near Porter Ranch… The structures under construction on the west side of the well head are designed to capture airborne droplets of a brine solution that “may have contained trace amounts of oil naturally occurring within the leaking well’s reservoir,” said Trisha Muse, a spokeswoman for SoCal Gas… Now, a mixture of brine water and oil is rising up into the gas company’s natural gas storage zone, then traveling up the well and into the air. As a result, local residents are finding droplets of dark brown residue on their homes, vehicles, fish ponds and gardens… [The company] acknowledged that some residents had asked about “dark brown spots on their property.” “We sampled it and, according to our retained toxicologist and medical expert,” the company said, “the residue contained heavier hydrocarbons (similar to motor oil) but does not pose a health risk.”… On Monday, plaintiffs’ attorneys sent a letter to state regulatory officials [and] demanded that state regulators “explain what is happening with the petroleum now surfacing.”… “There is a complete lack of information in the well files,” their letter says, “to show where the gas and petroleum migrates underground and the risk for creating sink holes and geysers.”

    Los Angeles Daily News, Jan 5, 2015: [A]n oily mist… has been surfacing… The seepage is the result of changing dynamics deep underground… “They (the demister pads) are necessary because as the reservoir pressure declines, fluids (oil and water) encroach into the reservoir and are then carried to surface with the gas.

    BBC, Jan 8, 2016: Residents… point out cars, outdoor furniture and houses which have been marked with brown, oily spots… Tim O’Connor, a lawyer with the Environmental Defense Fund, has called it “an environmental and public health catastrophe,” said . “In terms of timelines this is going to surpass the gulf oil problem by a mile.”

    New York Times, Jan 6, 2016: Gov. Jerry Brown, faced with mounting public anger and no end in sight to the leak, declared a state of emergency… Mitchell Englander, the Los Angeles city councilman who represents Porter Ranch [said] “This is one of the most disruptive, catastrophic environmental events that I’ve seen. It’s a truly chaotic crisis.”… Many who have stayed have taken to wearing surgical masks when they garden to keep out the rotten-egg smell and the oily mist that sometimes leaves brown residue on their cars… Dennis Arriola, the president of Southern California Gas Company [said] that experts had “never seen anything like this.”

    Newsweek, Jan 7, 2016: SoCalGas and public officials have turned [Porter Ranch's Matt Pakucko] and his fellow residents into “guinea pigs.”… [Sally Benson, who runs an energy storage lab at Stanford University] shares a worry of many in Porter Ranch as they deal with the mundanities of the leak: that the gas plume will somehow become ignited, leading to [an] explosion… “They’re really fortunate that this one hasn’t caught fire,” Benson says… [The FAA] has imposed a no-fly zone above Porter Ranch “out of concerns that fumes from the gas leak could be ignited from the air.” Schwecke, the SoCalGas vice president, says workers near the relief well are taking every precaution, not using their cellphones and working with brass hammers, which don’t spark… [David Balen, a local businessman on the Porter Ranch Neighborhood Council] showed me photographs of a white dust that had collected on concrete surfaces around his property; an expert was coming to test the substance, which Balen thought was something toxic.

    BBC, Jan 7, 2016: The governor of California has declared a state of emergency in a suburb of Los Angeles over the leaking of methane gas… the company is installing large mesh screens around the leak site to try and hinder the oily mist from spraying down on the community.

    Bloomberg, Jan 5, 2016: The sulfurous scent of a natural-gas leak hangs in the air as mail carriers wearing gas masks make rounds… “This is the biggest community and environmental disaster I’ve ever seen, bar none,” said Mitchell Englander, who has represented Porter Ranch on the Los Angeles City Council since 2011. “Life there is not on hold — it’s on the edge and it’s on the brink of pandemonium.”

    See also: Doctors: “Very unusual” infections being reported around massive gas blowout in LA… “If you’re able to leave do it now, I’m telling you it’s really critical” — Official: Plume is spreading far away, it’s a national disaster — TV: “We’re a living science experiment” (VIDEO)

    Watch footage of the leak from Reuters here

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    Could this gas be feeding into storm clouds to create the punch hole clouds we have seen recently in Southern California?

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    It took Thorium in the chemtrails being sprayed, so does anyone know if Thorium is being released through this massive gas leak?

    Thorium was leaking in the gulf spill of the BP oil volcano...
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    Default Re: The Methane Problem

    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    This isn't from fracking, they pulled the shutoff valve out from 1.5 miles down in 1979 and never replaced it...

    This leak started in November....

    They could have shut this down with cement, but then they have the cost of redrilling a whole new well...

    This has just been a storage well since 1976, now it is leaking with no cutoff below

    This makes me nuts. They could just pour a bucket of concrete down the damn well.

    That "they" haven't, implies "they" won't, and when will people wake up to the ramifications that truthfully, they are helpless in the grip of a greedy industry/government alliance of psychopaths that could care less about their health?

    Even the rich, and entitled are no longer safe in the gated neighborhoods of Los Angeles.

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    In one disaster all the greenhouse gases saved by clean automobiles over the last 30 has been erased...

    The standoff in Oregon means nothing to anyone, you want a cause, bring the 99% together with greenpeace protected by the militia against environment destruction caused by greedy bankers...

    Run a 24 hour environmental broadcast instead of lunatics spewing insanity, bring in the news to force recognition to what is happening. .

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    Default Re: The Methane Problem

    I was just looking at a map of the area, the clouds show movement to the south, this air is blowing to San Diego...


    http://wxug.us/1m3u8
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    I have seen more people with lingering deep coughs since Christmas...

    the part to note, is everyone started coughing within a day of each other


    looking at the Jet Stream, right now winds blow south then connect with a main stream blowing at the Eastern US



    from there it blows South to Africa or Antarctica...



    is someone directing greenhouse gasses to help melt the South Pole?
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