Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics

[D-Day]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I did ask Bill if he could get an interview with Steve but didn't get anything back from him yet.


As for myself you wouldn't want me on a skype audio since my voice would send a portion of the female audience into flights of romance in the city of lights while the rest would reach for frying pans, rolling pins or their butcher's knife... as for the males, practically none of them would be able to make out what I am saying with my accent which is as incomprehensible as Steve's for non-Aussie ears... something to consider...


My think on the matter would be to get Steve to join Avalon in the manner of Truman Cash or Simon Parkes in some sort of Q&A thread. Typed words are less emotionally involved and far easier to make out even with pronounced dyslexia / dysorthographia.

lol... i'm sure your accent's not that bad Amer

But if you don't feel comfortable conducting an interview or feel you won't be able to effectively connect with the audience then we'll have to look at other options.

And. if Bill's not interested or doesn't have the time then I guess we can take that option out of the equeation too.

So, we're left with a couple of alternaives...

One is that Steve joins the forum and contibutes to discussions here as a member, in a similar way to Hourman and Simon (as per your suggestion).

The other is that we find a way to conduct an interview with Steve independently from Bill and Avalon, but with a view to posting the interview here so memebers can listen and discuss afterwards.

I have already asked Steve if he would be interested in joining this forum, but he basically said that while he would like to do that, he didn't feel he had enough spare time to allow him to contribute in a meaningful way... mainly due to his busy sschedule and ongoing commitments with HK.

As such, I think our best (and most viable) option would be to conduct an inteview ourselves via Skybe (or something similar).

Personally, I would love to see either yourself or 9eagle9 (or both) conduct such an interview, but of course I can't force eiteher of you to do something you don't feel comfortable doing.

I would do it myself, although I don't think my level of knowledge/understanding would be sufficient for me to do an interview with Steve any justice.

There are a few other members here who I think have the knowledge and capacity to pull something like this off, but again, I'm not going to (and wouldn't want to) force anyone into a position where they felt obligated to do something they didn't really want to do.

So, at this point I'm just going to throw the question out there to anyone who is interested and thinks they might be up to the challenge. If someone out there thinks they're up to it and are willing to give it a go then I wouild be happy to make the necessary arrangements with Steve so we can make it happen.

[9eagle9]

thanks for thinking of me but remember i'm a horrible evil person and i'd just make him cry

Actually regardless of whom actually interviews I wouldn't mind lending a hand to the questions to be asked, and I wouldn't mind seeing a hand, lots of hands, in contributing to the questions. Perhaps run up a sort of progressive chain of purposeful q and a before hand?

[D-Day]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
thanks for thinking of me but remember i'm a horrible evil person and i'd just make him cry

you?... horrible?... evil?... LOL... I'm not so sure about that eagle, but you've definitely got a good sense of humour

Oh yeah, and if you can make Steve cry I'll eat Bill's hat, video tape myself doing it, and post it here on Avalon for all to see! lol

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Actually regardless of whom actually interviews I wouldn't mind lending a hand to the questions to be asked, and I wouldn't mind seeing a hand, lots of hands, in contributing to the questions.

So you're IN then... good!

Now that I've established that much, do you think you might be up for conducting the interview? (you haven't actually said NO yet so I just want to clarify )

In all honesty, out of all the people on this forum I think you would be (by far) THE BEST possible choice for the role of interviewer.

Having said that, if you're not keen on the idea that's totally fine, we can always look at other otpions.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Perhaps run up a sort of progressive chain of purposeful q and a before hand?

Yep, I agree, that would definitely be the best way to go about it.

My suggestion would be to send PM's to key members who have either contributed to this thread or have demonstrated interest/knowledge/awareness of this kind of subject matter via other (related) threads.

I reckon that would be a good way to get the ball rolling, given that this thread seems to have a somewhat limited audience and tends to be overlooked by the vast majority of members (even those who might actually be interested in the mterial if they bothered to check it out).

Anyway, once we have a few "choice people" on board, we could collate their questions/input and then try to piece it all together in a cohesive way that will help to make an invterview flow.

Mind you, I haven't "officially" approached Steve yet to ask him if he is even up for this, so that will need to be done at some point before we get too carried away.

I did kinda want to gauge interest in the idea first before doing that though, as I don't want to waste Steve's time asking for an interview only to have to tell him there wan't enough interest.

So... thoughts?... anyone??

[9eagle9]

I wouldn't dismiss interviewing him out of hand but for the moment that's probably the least of our worries. i extraordinarily doubt I'd make him cry too, its not really within my power to do that anyone. Even if a direct interview were not possible , it is possible he could answer our compiled questions in some other form.

In the meantime whilst you generate interest I think I'll go back over this thread again and joggle my noggin for some questions. I would need help with that i"m familar with his stances on possession and extraction so thus doesn't generate any sort of questioning in me so I'll depend on others to lend a hand in what they'd like clarification of .

His work is very important . And with the whole deflation of 12-21-12 people may be better apt to sit up and pay attention since the mother ship isn't distracting them anymore.

[Hervé]

Since the Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics thread began, a lot of the materials linked to have disappeared or gone into some “Recycle Bin” at the punch of a “Delete” key. Namely Annalie/Artemesia’s and Duncan O’Finioan’s blogs, in that order. Hence, here is a condensed version of most of those disappeared materials starting with the summary provided by D-DAY:

Dreamtime Healing using Holographic kinetics

Written by Steve Richards

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

UNDERSTANDING MAN'S INTERNALLY-CREATED REALITIES AND THE CLEARING OF INTER-DIMENSIONAL INTERFERENCE FROM PARALLEL DIMENSIONS WITHIN HUMAN BODIES

DREAMTIME HEALING using HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is an understanding of two worlds, an internal to external and an external to internal world.

DREAMTIME HEALING is part of what the Australian Aboriginal "Lore Men" knew from the past and could apply; HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is the science behind their knowledge.

DREAMTIME HEALING is about rebalancing the imbalances of man's internally- created realities through the cycles of dimensions that man calls "time". Dreamtime healing can access the internal dimensional world of all living things, the life force, the invisible, man at times calls spirit, [different from the soul] where all creation is first set-up, and then flows through into the visible external world of reality. It is an advanced Aboriginal-healing modality, incorporating the applied knowledge of Lore that governs the internal invisible dimensions of life, which no man can escape, these are different from our external laws that govern our physical reality.

Dreamtime Healing

Dreamtime Healing is about the acknowledgement of my ancestral past and the ability of true LORE [universal knowledge] that was known and understood by the ancestors and the culture of the past.

I also acknowledge the spirit of all living things, the ancestors and the spirits that are earthbound and "stuck" in their past trauma through genocide. I hope they seek me out, so I can release them and change their future cycles, before the conjunction takes place--as I, and my team, have done for thousands around the country; many spirits have chosen to stay behind and assist man from their "side" before the end of this cycle.

The Aboriginals had the ability to take the free flowing energy and use it to visualize through the dreamtime into the manifestation of reality. They were more developed, using the spiritual internal world of manifestation, rather than the external analytical world. Never seeing the world through analytical eyes, they were aware the earth has a living Spirit, they worked in harmony with the spirit of the earth, and the spirits of all life forms. They were taught the understanding of communication with the spirit of animals, trees, rocks, water and that all other life forms are alive. That also includes our thoughts that can become thought forms and grow into life forms, that can then manipulate the soul of man.

The original Australian Aboriginals were the most advanced spiritual people on this planet; they had the awareness and no limitations within the manifestation of creation. They had the ability to be in two places at the one time; they had the ability to move through time, they were not limited to this physical dimension. They could and some still can, draw illness out through the body.

Some of the clever Elders that still know the old way have said, “We know what we can do, but we did not go to school, therefore we do not know the words to use for what we can see and do, we only know that we can do what we can do, and there is the seen and the unseen and all things are alive.

Under quantum physics we understand that the universe and all creation consists of mathematics and geometry, and all letters within the alphabet and all symbols consist of life forms with meanings. A is for alpha, O is for omega. The numbers we will get into later!

First comes the spirit in all living things including man! Then comes the conscious mind of man, known as the Beta state. Science tells us the levels of the mind are Beta, Alpha, Theta & Delta. Therefore Spirit comes first = A for alpha, then comes mans’ consciousness the Beta state = B. Now if A = alpha, spirit being first and the first is the original and the original means the beginning: the first of a kind: The original race. Let’s see! A [spirit]+ B [Consciousness]+ original = Aboriginal.

What does that tell me under the laws of LORE?

It tells me that as they were the original race and they were hear first, they have the rights to control their space and time [ metaphysically] and can deal with other dimensions and forces that have invaded their space; Due to stolen generation, most have forgotten the old ways, but it still lies deep within their spirit.

At no time in the past, had they ever submitted to the English invading forces and they never retaliated because knowing Lore they knew that no man can escape the cycles of time and what ever man puts out, must enfold back onto him---How Else could we have balance without experiencing our own creation.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end” says the lord. “Who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty”

When we close our eyes we drop into the alpha state, the state of spirit. "Who is" represents the present, "who was" represents the past and "who is to come" represents the future, these are the three cycles of time, that have been known for thousands of years.

All plant life and all created realities, start their creation spiraling out from a central point into what is known as Fibonacci mathematics, its sequence is that its past plus its present sets up its future, in understanding this when the spirit in the present goes back to the past and integration takes place the client will be in that dimension of time reliving that moment of that created reality, once that takes place time will loop itself and that changes the past plus the present instantly changes the future of that dimension from that moment on. This is also linked to Einstein's theory of relativity

The Aboriginal culture believes in the birth, death, birth, death cycles of time, and that many Spirits have reincarnated back into present day, to assist, and through The Dreamtime they will remember Lore {their spiritual teachings}, so they can heal and free all spirits of their past traumas.

Through the reciprocal exchange of energy, many of the spirits of the people both white and black--from the past--that were responsible for the present day trauma, that has been passed down the genetic hereditary line--creating the loss of identity, culture and purpose in present day, have reincarnated back into those bodies to experience their own creation--how else will man learn about his creation, if he doesn't experience it.... I have had full blood Aboriginals on the table that accessed their past life trauma--one was a Spanish soldier, another a Scotsman, another one of the Light Horseman. Just as I have had many white people relive there past trauma as an Aboriginal of the past.

No man can escape the cycles of time, I have been given the keys, these I will share with you, as I go along, open your mind and your hearts, so your spirit can remember and awake from its amnesia to the true reality of creation.

The original Australian Aboriginals when food was needed, would go to sleep at night and through integration of their spirit, would put out through the Dreamtime. Then through that Dreamtime they would set that dream into the manifestation of reality in its own created dimension of time. Then their spirit would communicate to the spirit of the animal and that animal spirit would offer its body so it could move to a higher level of creation--the soul remains in the external world of "fight or flight."

The young indigenous Australian when given alcohol or drugs creates a distorted dreamtime--through that distorted dreamtime comes the manifestation of a distorted reality, It takes very little for their etheric protective barrier to be lowered, once that defense is down, they become vulnerable to spirits, entities, life forms and other forces that may enter their created realities

Man captures through the act of his thoughts, free flowing energy. This spirals internally with no escape, becoming potential energy. As the universe is based on balance, this potential energy [in seeking out its equal opposite], swings across to become explosive energy, in the form of violence and anger etc---On many occasions, after assisting to clear prisoners, of their anger and violence, I have been rewarded by seeing how humble they were, once they were cleared of their trauma--these were originally created as young children growing up with alcoholic or drug addict parent--they knew nothing else but a life of suppressed violence and anger, that had been internally suppressed throughout their life

As man holds onto any issue, he traps that energy, it then moves from potential energy into its first form of matter and aligning itself up into what is known as platonic geometry. Starting with the formation of a cube and moves into a Tetrahedron, Octahedron, Icosahedron or a Dodecahedron and forms into crystallized cells.

Man by his very act of thinking, through his dreamtime and through his created negative thoughts, manifests an internal universe into a created reality.

As the universe is based on balance, there will always be an equal opposite. In this case Western man internalizes his thoughts, his feelings and his dreams, where the original Australian Aboriginal would externalize his thoughts, his feelings and his dreams, through his dance and through his songs. Then within this closeness to nature he understood that this Earth-the Rocks--the Plants--and the Water, are all alive and have their own life force--known as a spirit--and as we are all part of the Earth and as it has taken care of us, we in turn must take care of the Earth, as the Earth is our mother and the Sun is our father.

We need people trained in all communities so they have the tools of knowledge to turn around the stolen generation trauma, the anger and Violence and to assist to turn around the repeat offenders within the prison system and the trauma of people stuck in dimensions of time, otherwise nothing will ever change.

Energy is only captured through stress, this becomes trapped in the stress point of the body at that moment, in its own separate dimension, known as time.

HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS

HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS has the ability to understand the science of the mind, incorporating the maths & geometry of creation, and how the original race on this planet--the Australian Aboriginals--knew the keys and could access and communicate to the life force of the being, known as spirit, regardless of its physical form, sending it back through the cycle of time, into internal hyper-space. When the Spirit enters this internal dimension, all things are omnipotent [consisting of great power], omnipresent [as all things past, present and future are present at the same time] and omniscient [an area of infinite knowledge].

HOLOGRAPHIC virtually explains man is a hologram--every cell in the body stores every thought and memory as it is sent from the subtle bodies within, out to all areas of the physical body and each cell has the ability to holographically reproduce those memories. These areas are called "cellular memory" and can store trauma from generations down the hereditary line--they can be accessed and cleared.

KINETIC energy comes from the harmony of the Infinite universe, as free flowing balanced energy. When captured by the act of a thought, it becomes potential energy, aligning itself into plutonic geometry forming a crystal, which now stores memory and locks into the stress point of the body--in its own separate dimension known as "time". This is created by the universal mind of its creator, passing through the cellular memory of its being.

HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is a combination of over 40 years of researching, by its founder Steve Richards it covering areas such as; Metaphysics, Religion, Spirituality, Hypnosis, Kinetic energy, Kinesiology, Quantum physics, Russelian physics, Radionics, Gravit-O-Biology, Body Electronics, Iridology, Sclerology, Health and the human mind and many other modalities in understanding the power of the subtle bodies--from a holistic approach--in the creation and removal of internal-created realities, within their own separate dimensions of time. As well as the understanding and removal of other dimensional forces that can enter through drugs, alcohol, trauma and certain medication, which our research has found is the the main reasons for most mental illness

HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is an understanding of how universal laws work and how every action creates a counter-reaction, Just as there is an above, there is a below--Just as there is a foreward, there is a backward-- Just as there is an internal invisible world, there is an external visible world--and there is always the point Zero of the observer [mans conscious choice] that is positioned between the two--in the creation of all imbalance that are the cause--set up in the invisible--then transmute through into the visible as effect.

HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS assists the client to access the cause of those imbalances so as they may bring those imbalances back into balance.

To fully understand HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS we have to step outside of the mainstream "way of thinking" and look at the body holistically, so that we can understand man as a multidimensional being in a multidimensional world with invisible parts, such as Meridians, Chakras, Aura, Spirit and Soul, as well as visible parts such as the physical body and all its organs. All thoughts are invisible. They, in turn, trap invisible energy and transform it into potential energy, then this potential energy crystallizes into the stress point of the body in its own separate dimension of time.

UNDER UNIVERSAL LAW, like attracts like, and therefore that created thought or emotion, which is trapped, seeks its own frequency for its survival. And it starts to repeats the same cycle, time and time again, as the past and the present set up the cycles of the furure. This then manifests into the visible as effect, in the form of pain, anxiety, depression, stress, fear, anger, guilt, sexual problems, self punishment, confusion or any number of other ways.

Nothing ever occurs by chance, or as a random occurence, every single action or effect has an underline cause--there are no exceptions to this ever!! If this were not the case, the entire universe would collapse instantly into a state of utter chaos.

KINETIC ENERGY, is free-flowing and constant energy, until captured, then it takes on form as it flows through to the holographic, cellular level; on all dimensions within and around us, it can become trapped as potential energy, as we create balances and imbalances. If an imbalance occurs, then one of the three bodie's vibrations becomes "out of harmony" with the others, vibrating against each other, in time, creating destruction an effect--the law of "cause and effect", sometimes known as "causation'. The principle of cause and effect is, and always has been, widely accepted throughout the ages a most exalted universal law, and one to be totally respected.

Using HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS it is possible to assist spirit to access internal hyperspace, where all things become omnipresent, [all things past, present and future are present at the same time] omnipotent [consisting of great power] and omniscient [an area of infinite knowledge] within their separate dimensions of time.

Violence and aggression in our communities is trapped energy, this trapped energy is known as "inverted electro magnetic energy flux"; it spirals in to become potential energy, as all things in the universe seek their equal opposite--[as balance lies between the two]. So as this potential energy swings to its equal opposite, it becomes explosive energy, creating the violence and anger we have in our society today.

As man through the act of his thoughts, chooses to hang on to that created potential energy it aligns itself within an atomic structure known as "plutonic geometry," forming a crystal within the body. Now, as energy can only be captured through stress, that crystal locks into the stress point of the body in its own separate dimension known as time.

When the above effects is accessed and spce/time is enfolded upon itself, time loops itself up and that effect, no longer persists to exists!
The moment one comes into perfect harmony with the universal law of the cause of the effect, the suffering will cease.


DREAMTIME HEALING using HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is about the integration of an internal invisible, and an external visible world of assisting people with their internally-created realities that are not being addressed--or understood, by mainstream mental health-thus denying them their rights of being healed. You can be taught this powerful system and be rewarded by obtaining the same remarkable results--usually in one session, as the other 360 students have--why not organize a seminar in your area, or community or have a team of our practitioners assist to clear your troubled youth and others.

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What re-injected life into the thread was an interview of Steve Richards on Offplanet Radio by Randy Maugans, Duncan O’Finioan, Miranda and Annalie/Artemesia who, since, went under the radar and is hopefully safe.

From the now defunct blog of Duncan O'Finioan:

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A MUST-Listen Interview: Healing with Holographic Kinetics
June 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm

[click picture to go to Steve Richards' site]

If you listen to one interview this year, listen to this one. This is quite possibly the most important interview we have ever been a part of.

Click here to go straight to the interview

Over the years, we have received thousands upon thousands of emails from people who have suffered horribly under the effects of mind control in all its various forms, satanic ritual abuse (SRA), physical illness and disease, as well as a host of other associated trauma-related issues including depression, thoughts of suicide, panic attacks, and the list goes on.

And up until now there was very little we could do. The available options for people who desperately wish to heal from programming, mind control, and trauma are extremely limited and sometimes extremely dangerous.

A few months ago we were contacted by a woman named Annalie who was beginning her healing journey from mind control. Readers of the blog may be familiar with her. We had the privilege to follow her on her healing path as she worked with this modality — Holographic Kinetics, and her transformation was nothing short of amazing.

She has taken the time to chronicle her experience in her own blog, which has been a real boon to those wanting to learn more about HK and how it works in practice. Since then, others that we know have tried it with extremely positive and lasting results.

The Life Changing, Mind blowing Interview with Steve Richards on Holographic Kinetics

A few days ago, Duncan, myself, and Annalie joined a discussion with Steve Richards, founder of Holographic Kinetics (HK), which was facilitated by the esteemed and intrepid data-parsing über-analyst (and our dear friend) Randy Maugans of Off-Planet Radio.


Click the icon to listen to the Off Planet interview with Steve Richards, discussing Holographic Kinetics and more. You don’t want to miss this interview!

Download MP3s:

Part 1 (<--- Right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

Player Part I
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 1-PDF (<--- Right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

Part 2 (<--- Right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

Player Part II
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 2-PDF (<--- Right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

Off Planet Radio interview Part I (← Offplanet Radio webpage)

Off Planet Radio interview Part II (← Offplanet Radio webpage)


You can also listen to the interview on YouTube:

YouTube Interview Part I

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qQwUTWMKr6A

YouTube Interview Part II

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=79ojQ8h-pgc

In this groundbreaking interview, Steve Richards not only explained what Holographic Kinetics was all about, he also tied together the current state of the planet, how people are being used for their energy, and broke down how the universe works in very clear and easy to understand terms.

His knowledge is based on his background and deep connection to his own Aboriginal culture and heritage. The Australian Aborigines have been around for the last 60,000 years or so, so it’s safe to say that as far as knowledge and world events go, this isn’t their first trip to the rodeo.

We were privileged to receive this treasured knowledge, which has been almost completely suppressed due to the near-total eradication of native Aborigines in Australia, due in no small part to the genocide that was perpetrated on them, almost completely destroying the very culture which has provided the keys to unlocking the mystery of our own selves.

It’s not that we don’t have the knowledge, we have just forgotten who we are as a race. And we’ve been messed with and tweaked with until we lost the abilities to remember who we are and how to heal.

This long-lost information, thankfully, has been brought to us from the Aborigines by way of Steve Richards and Holographic Kinetics.

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Full article: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/ [deleted by owner, the above is what I saved from it]

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[Hervé]

Here is the full transcript in text form for the whole interview with a BIG THANK YOU to annalie:

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Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 1

Sunday, June 3, 2012 at 3:22PM
Panel discussion with ancient aboriginal healer, Steve Richards.
http://www.holographickinetics.net/

Steve Richards Contact Info:
Holographickinetics@bigpond.com or keymaker@optusnet.com.au
P.O.Box 259
Runaway Bay
Qld 4216
Phone 0412455740

Panel: Annalie Cummings, Miranda Kelly, Duncan O'Finioan, and Randy Maugans

Topics: healing from trauma, DID/PTSD, demonic/spirit influence, substance abuse, apparitions, psychotronic influences. Past life influences, curses, group demonic influence.

Dreamtime Healing-Part 1: The State of the World and Us

Right now, Steve says, the kundalini energy of the world is going crazy. This is the cycle we are going through right now and is expected, which is what we have been saying for quite some time.
Certain factions who understand how energy works have been using it to their advantage by treating the world population as a slave race, and have set up systems whereby they can literally harvest the energy of people. More on that in the interview.

You will also learn about dimensions of reality, transmutation, plutonic geometry, the laws of LORE, and energy crystalisation and so much more. This is highly recommended reading and listening for anyone who has experienced trauma of any kind in their lives and is wishing to heal.

One of the amazing things about HK is that it not only works to heal people, but can also be done to heal locations, homes, and even trees and plants, which this beautiful planet, our mother earth and Gaia sorely needs right abut now.

Dreamtime Healing-Part 2: How Does Holographic Kinetics work?
For an in-depth explanation of how HK works, you MUST listen to the interview. The healing is based on very simple and fundamental laws of the universe. Here is a little of what Steve says on his website to explain what Holographic Kinetics as all about:

DREAMTIME HEALING is about rebalancing of the imbalances of man’s internally- created realities through the cycles of dimensions that man calls “time”. Dreamtime healing can access the internal dimensional world of all living things, the life force, the invisible, man at times calls spirit, [different from the soul] where all creation is first set-up, and then flows through into the visible external world of reality. It is an advanced Aboriginal-healing modality, incorporating the applied knowledge of Lore that governs the internal invisible dimensions of life, which no man can escape, these are different from our external laws that govern our physical reality.HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS has the ability to understand the science of the mind, incorporating the maths & geometry of creation, and how the original race on this planet–the Australian Aboriginals–knew the keys and could access and communicate to the life force of the being, known as spirit, regardless of its physical form, sending it back through the cycle of time, into internal hyper-space. When the Spirit enters this internal dimension, all things are omnipotent [consisting of great power], omnipresent [as all things past, present and future are present at the same time] and omniscient [an area of infinite knowledge].


Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 1
Sunday, June 3, 2012

Transcript by Annalie Cummings with Robyn Ehlert and Steve Richards

Panel discussion with ancient aboriginal healer, Steve Richards. Panel includes:
Randy Maugans, Steve Richards, Duncan O’Finioan, Miranda Kelly and Annalie Cummings

Randy: This is Off‐Planet Radio I’m Randy Maugans, and this is a special edition. We are going to talk about some interesting subjects today. Continuing with the track that we’ve been on for some time presenting modalities and tools for healing. And I have with me today a roundtable group of people. And we’ll start first with our guest, who is from Australia, his name is Steve Richards and he has a website called www.holographickinetics.net. We’re going to be talking about Dreamtime Healing, holographic kinetics, an advanced aboriginal healing modality. Steve, welcome to Off Planet Radio.

Steve: Thank you.

Randy: And with us also, from California is Annalie Cummings, and she is responsible for pretty much introducing us to Steve’s work. Annalie, welcome.

Annalie: Thank you.

Randy: And to my right rotating clockwise, Miranda Kelly is here.

Miranda: Hello.

Randy: And Duncan O’Finioan.

Duncan: Hey guys.

Randy: So, Annalie has been in contact with me for I guess a couple of months now, talking about the work that Steve Richards has been doing, and helping her with healing from her own traumatic background. Duncan and Miranda need no introduction, their background has been well documented in the interviews that we’ve done together.

What we all share together on this call today is an interest in bringing out ways for people to heal, specifically from trauma‐based backgrounds, PTSD or DID, however you want to term that, and the kind of traumas that come from deep emotional wounding. And so Steve, maybe where we start first is give us some background on who you are, where you come from and how you came to be doing the work that you’re doing today.

Steve: Yea, thank you. Look, it really started as a four year old, and my mother sat me down and wanted to know how I knew certain things, and I just remember then looking at her and thinking, ‘well, doesn’t everybody remember everything?’ Because I remember the past, and as an Aboriginal descendant I had full memory of the ancient past. Now as I grew up, and I was eight years old, I could make water go round my finger without touching it. By the time I was a teenager I was doing mind magic. I used to do hilarious things at parties. But the question was, I wanted to know what am I doing, how do I do it? So, we go that’s the Spirit coming in.

Now we go to the genetic line. My great‐grandmother was taken away at the age of eight by what was known as the Aboriginal Protection Agency. She was standing in horse shackles at the age of fourteen, sold to a drover and died while at fifteen giving birth to my grandmother. My grandmother was brought up in a cattle station, as she used to say to me, “I was different from the rest because I’ve been educated.” She was
taken by the church and educated good and proper. But the Aboriginal maids, servants and butlers and the gardeners took her under their wing and they taught her the old ways. As I’d grow up she’d talk about the old ways and that would trigger off more memories in me. And that lead, I believe, to where I am today.

You see, I come from a culture that’s 60,000 years old. It didn’t take shopping trolleys with it when it went shopping, you used to go out into nature and communicate to the trees, to the animals. Everything is alive in nature, and they were aware of this. Now what they’d do at night, they’d sit around in what’s known as the Dreamtime. And they’d communicate to the spirit of the kangaroo, spirit of the goanna. When they wanted to, they’d communicate to that Spirit and that Spirit would donate its vehicle – the body. The vehicle is in fight or flight. But the Spirit, when it donates the vehicle, moves to a higher octave, it moves up the scale, so it evolves in another dimension of reality. That’s how they got their food.

Randy: So, you basically were born knowing not only your own spiritual background, but you had what I guess we’d call ancestral memory as well.

Steve: We all have genetic memories in us.

Randy: Right, right.

Steve: The only thing is, most of us have suppressed those memories or allowed the memories that come down the genetic line to affect us without knowing why they are affecting us.

Randy: Okay. Annalie, do you want to kind of give us some background here on how you came to access Steve’s work and what it means to you?

Annalie: Yea, I had been really actively searching for healing, you know, really all my life, but what Steve says, memories come down genetically and we know they’re affecting us but we don’t know why, and that’s a perfect segue. In 2009 I had a spontaneous kundalini experience, psychic surging, full‐on 3D present entities visiting me, I had possession issues and it all ended up in a kind of flaming inferno by August. So then I began the long trek out of that, the dark night of the soul which was a year or more and finally found Miranda’s work and Duncan’s work in November [of 2011], when I had my personalities completely split again, and I was like oh, I really do have this problem, I need to start working on it. So, you know since 2009 I was just filling myself in with all that I could with you know David Icke’s work and understanding the socio‐political global scene, trying to understand the alien phenomena, what that was all about and on sort of the fast‐forward course that many of us who awakening had to do via the internet and books and that.

So in January I happened to be listening to a radio show much like this with the folks down at ECETI, which is a place that has a lot of UFO activity out by Mount Adams. And they were interviewing a fellow named of George Kavassilas who is also Australian and has had a lot of alien issues in his life. And he just off‐hand in the radio show, they were talking about clearing and what you can do to clear, and he said, “oh yea and I used holographic kinetics to get rid of the winged serpents.” And I was like, wait a minute, pause, and need to, and so I just kept going back on the mp3 trying to hear what is this holographic kinetics. And so I pretty quickly found Steve’s website and read through his material. And you know Miranda had said this as well, that even just reading that material, something clicks that if you are dealing with these kinds of issues: possessions, alien abductions, possession, genetic memory, in my case some stuff with black projects with my parents. All of a sudden you read his material and you go, ‘okay, this is something that works.’

‘Cause I’m one of those poster child who, you’ve talked about this with White Wolf, and a number of your guests, there’s a million alternative modalities out there right now and, you know, 99% of them are going to get you worse off than where you were at, or only do a little bit that you then have to build upon. And so I found the holographic kinetics and sent Steve my story, and within a few weeks had been set up to get some sessions done with one of his students who is a practitioner and from there my healing just really skyrocketed. I mean there was stuff that I absolutely don’t know how I would have gotten through because it was literally I mean if I’m looking at my transcripts here, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years old, which makes you realize how old our Spirit’s really are [Sentence garbled in noise feedback, I think I hear: And with stuff that’s happened such a long time ago I just needed some help to remember.] And so that’s how I found it and that’s kind of where I’m at with it right now.

Randy: I think one of the things that each person on this call has in common is the sense that our destinies have been played out in our past through the bloodlines and through the genetics of our families. Gosh, what is that noise? Anyway. So this is a key issue of being able to trace back ancestral memories. Can you explain for me Steve, the holographic aspect of this? How does holographic and kinetics play into this? Let’s
maybe break that down a little bit.

Steve: Okay, well, going back, first you’ll have to excuse that noise, that noise is there’s stuff going next door.

Randy: Okay, no problem, we’ll live with it.

Steve: The Dreamtime healing part, of Aboriginal culture, which they’re fully aware of ‐‐ and our mainstream system is not acknowledging Aboriginal culture. What its doing, and out of millions of dollars, and I mean millions and millions of dollars are put into you know ‘’ The Bringing Them Home Report ‘’and Deaths in Custody Report, the rights of indigenous in Australia the rights to human rights in Australia, there’s been Royal commissions, and a lot of these, what’s come out of every single commission is the elders have stated, we need to heal the Spirit. So what takes place is, the government looks and says well we’ve given you spirituality in the form of religion. Well that’s got nothing to do with it. The Spirit is traumatized through time. Now the Spirit is different than the soul. Most people have no idea of the difference between the Spirit and the soul. Now the soul is linked down the genetic line and the external experiences upon us.

And there’s a difference between the two that’s highly important to understand, because what we’re dealing with is we’re dealing with the Spirit, which is totally different than the soul.

Now in the research, as it went along, we realized that every cell in you is a hologram. And every cell in you that’s a hologram tells the next cell, which is a hologram. So the whole being is actually a hologram itself. And when you change one part of a hologram, it goes through what I call the defragging process. With that
hologram, the next hologram tells the next hologram, and it changes the whole being.

When you take out something physically, that’s come in with the Spirit… so you’ve got the Spirit in there and something else has come in and this is where it’s linked to a lot of the ritual stuff because the whole idea of the ritual stuff is to traumatize the Spirit. That lets something else in when the Spirit’s traumatized to then try and take over the soul of the being. So what takes place then, in, once the Spirit gets taken over ‐‐ in other words the Spirit gets suppressed now the being [Soul] is… takes over ‐‐ then the soul now is programmed from the moment you’re born, everything external to internal, everything projected upon you becomes programmed into your cells.

Now let’s understand that. The old culture says the father is the Sun and the mother is the Earth. Well the Sun has electrons. As electrons we actually captured by the act of a thought. And by our intent, it’s electrons we capture. Now once those are captured they become inverted electromagnetic energy flux. Once captured, they become a thought, they then become a thought‐form, they then evolve into a life‐form, as a life‐form, like a blade of grass, like a tree, like a dog ‐‐ it has a right to survive. The tree knows it’s a tree, the grass knows it’s the grass, the dog knows it’s a dog. But, that thought‐form only knows the thought that created it. Just say its anger. It will rearrange the universe, and manifest electrons in the universe to conform to its reality, using you as a host. It’s evolving, its learning, it’s learned about your reactors. As you react to it, it learns, it evolves. It’s learning what makes you tick. And eventually it tries to take over the physical being by moving to the next level, where it becomes an entity. So holographic kinetics is a fact – kinetics is the movement of energy in this universe. Now to harness it. We are a hologram of time, therefore we are harnessing energy in the universe, which is a hologram of time. Now in the hologram of time, let’s take your genetics. I can access the great‐great‐great‐grandmother through a hologram of time, ‘come forward, come forward now.’ Next minute, she’s talking out of your body. Because through you, is a hologram of all the ancestors through time. Now I go to the Spirit, and I can access a hologram of the past, no matter how far back in time your Spirit needs to go. This is how holographic kinetics comes on.

Annalie: Steve, that’s really interesting, the part you said about Spirit being in all cells. And when you take out something physical and particularly if you do ritual or traumatize it, then you leave this pathway open for the soul to be programmed and things projected on it. I mean I think that was where my process with HK really started. My mother is a human geneticist who has been in the forefront of the human genetics program and I actually have a blood genetic disorder which she shares and my grandmother shares, so from a very early time they were taking my blood and now this was like, the science, so its untouchable. It’s not like we’re doing some satanic ritual, people are drinking it and calling out beings.

But they were still taking the blood, and that was the first thing that I knew where I had to figure out who were these people, what were they working with? Because that taking of blood, I mean sometimes it was when I was asleep as a child my mother would come in, draw blood from me and do these experiments with it. She’d say, ‘oh I need it for a control sample for one of my experiments,’ which she was running on other disorders. But there was something in that, that I knew, I was like these people are taking part of me without my consent, and that’s where the whole, you know ‐‐ ‘Am I being abducted? Are the Greys doing experiments on me? Why do I remember my mother involved? ‐‐ and that was the hinge that really, you know, made me realize that holographic kinetics was going to help me because he delineated that. You know, that even if the trauma is just some cell, it counts, right? And then of course, you know, it was more than the whole cell ‐‐ it was my whole being. But that was the first thing that really made me say, ‘okay there is something to this, and we can go forward here.’

Randy: Okay, so basically you think that your blood itself was being taken and this was a fractal of your entire being, is that what, what you’re saying?

Annalie: It was the part of the story that I absolutely knew I could confirm, get to and remember, but then it was holographic to the whole. I mean and it went through to initiations and rituals and going to people who were doing incantations and beings, so all of that happened some of it in this lifetime and some of it in other lifetimes. But it was that one piece was holographic to the whole and it was the piece I, I had no, you know, sort of opportunity for self‐doubt there. Because with so much of this stuff, as you know, there’s this moment of, ‘well is this real? Am I crazy?’ But that I could, could realize and then everything else was holographic to that so then we go back through and clear it and it made sense to me, why that would be the starting place.

Randy: Okay because a lot of, and Duncan and Miranda can confirm this, that bloodlines play a key role in people who are pulled into projects. Bloodline and genetics are a key issue and family connections, as Duncan and Miranda can also attest are key elements of who is selected to go into different programs and what they are selected for. So we’re, we’re dealing again with this whole idea that our entire component being is somehow encapsulated in that, that genetic material, the DNA, the genetics, the blood.

Annalie: Right. And I mean part of the story I had been told about my blood, my mother was actually the person who cloned the disorder so, uh, little red flag there. She went to the Galton Laboratory in London, England, which is right down the street from Tavistock Institute, it was the first place where they were doing the genetic program after World War II, they basically took the Nazi program, transferred it to London, and it started the Galton Lab.

Randy: Thank you, I’ve wanted somebody to say that for a long time about Tavistock’s connection to the Nazi experiments.

Annalie: Yea, well, I mean it wasn’t specifically Tavistock, this was through University College London, but I mean come on, they’re down the street from each other, there’s a reason for that. And this was in Darwin’s old house, you know, that they turned into a research laboratory. And, you know, so the story, again, holographic to the whole, moving out through the layers. And so what they told me about my blood disorder was that one base pair of the amino acid had changed and as a result, under certain conditions, so if you read that as conditioning or controls, it would shape shift, it would change its 3D tertiary structure and cause a small crystalline precipitate in the blood. So that was, once I started to read sort of, I went through the whole new age nightmare but you know there was some stuff there that was useful, but, ‘oh, crystal blood, oh I have crystal blood. In fact its genetically diagnosed crystal blood! Oh, it shape shifts, oh what about those reptilians?’ So again figuring this stuff out step by step. But it went back, and Steve can talk about this, how you set up these cycles hundreds of thousands of years ago and then they just play out. And what I would ask Steve is, how does, when your Spirit chooses a form to come into in this lifetime, the genetic line, how does that relate to these old cords and patterns that, and set time loops that you set up way back? Like, how does the Spirit know oh this genetic line is really going to make me remember that problem I had.

Randy: That’s actually a good question, Steve you want to take that?

Steve: Sure, sure. Well one of the things about the Spirit and what it does, you got to remember the spark of life connected to us, that spark, the moment the spark connected to the heart it’s the Spirit, the Spirit is connected to your heart. You know we deal with people that go back to the moment of conception where the trauma is locked in. And Spirit’s activating that moment of conception of what was locked in which has affected the being right through time. So, when the Spirit comes in at that moment of conception within the heart itself, it brings with it all the memories of the past. But, for it to come into the vehicle, what takes place is, you’ve got to understand two facets. There’s one facet, what our governments are doing today out of fear and what they’re playing with, they’re playing out occultism and occultism is limitation. They’re not understanding L‐O-R‐E, which is universal knowledge. The universe itself is more powerful than any occultism whatsoever.

Now, to understand what they’re doing with your blood. The Aborigines used to go out and be able to say, well, they could nowadays, they still do it nowadays, you know, and they have what’s known as mussing. And mussing, all they need is a little bit of your hair, that’s all. Take a bit of your hair it’s got the whole genetics in you. This is why some cultures around the world won’t have a photo taken of themselves. Because that photo is a hologram of you. And they can do things with that hologram once they’ve got that photo of you. So your blood, all they need is one cell of blood, and that is you, a hologram of you through time. So, by the, under LORE, man is responsible for his thought, his word, his deed and his actions. And no man can escape the cycles of time. Now what’s that mean is whatever we’ve put out in the past, that we chose, for our experiences, to experience in this dimension, in this physical vehicle, we must be responsible for.

Example, if we chose to go to war and want to mutilate and kill, the universe says, ‘well, that’s fine, that’s your reality, but you must experience what its like to be mutilated and killed.’ So what happens is, you will come back to parents that are going to assist in what you need to learn by the lessons. If thousands of years ago you, through your free will and choice, made an agreement with these beings, the first law in this universe is the law of intent and the second law is the law of agreement. And the law of agreement is valid through time and space for eternity. Until we enfold spacetime on that dimension. So thousands of years ago, hundreds of thousands of years ago, you made an agreement ‐‐ you’re part of rituals ‐‐ then that agreement is still valid today. So you’ll be born under parents that are continually going to set up these scenarios of rituals, and through the rituals what takes place is when your Spirit enters a vehicle, the body, through rituals the first born child, first born child usually, is allocated to THEM. What’s that mean? When the spirit enters, a Draconian enters. Once that Draconian enters it will try and set up trauma for the Spirit. Once the Spirit becomes traumatized, it takes over the vehicle. Thus, it takes over the soul. Now, it uses that vehicle and it will keep the vehicle traumatized through time, as it grows, it has taken over the vehicle and eventually it gets put into the positions of power within this physical world of ours, where they are running human bodies.

Randy: Okay, so now given that we have those two primary laws, I’m assuming there’s a third way here and that would have to do with the choice we make, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation in terms of healing. In other words, we have the ability to interrupt the cycles and the patterns and void the rituals, is that correct?

Steve: That’s correct. You see any time at all, you can look at up something in your life and say, ‘I’ve had it, I’ve had enough, that’s it, no more, I don’t want this anymore, thank you.’ Your Spirit is there for you, its there to give you what you want. All it’s been doing is it’s been setting up the future for you because you never told it otherwise. You made an agreement so it says, ‘well all right, I can’t make changes, they’re your agreements,’ so it allows it to continue.

Once we make that change, or want to make a change, then we have to enfold space‐time. We have to go back into the past, so in the present, we go back to the past, we look at what took place in the past. We then change the past by externalizing the past and replacing it back in time. The moment we place the past back in time, so in the present we change the past, the past and the present set up the future, and we change the future cycles of time from this moment on. Time will loop itself. It puts you outside time.

To give you an example of that for a moment, I’ve got a lady who’s driving home at night, she pulls up at a set of lights, looks up to the right‐hand side and there’s a big semi bearing down on her. She freaks out. That’s all she remembers. She gets home at quarter to three in the morning, husband’s pacing back and forth, he’s ropeable. [Ed note: Ropeable is an Australian term meaning really angry.] She was due home at nine o’clock ‐‐ four hours of missing time. She came to see me because she assumed that she’d been abducted. From the moment I started working with her, her Spirit took her straight back into deja‐vu ‐‐ a parallel where all this has happened before. She got to the set of lights, looked up BEEP, big semi bearing down, BANG! It hits her. It took four hours for her to die. This time, as the past reproduces itself, deja‐vu, sets itself up again in the now with a few variables, gets a set of lights, looks up, semi bearing down on her, she lets go, instantly. The moment she let go, time instantly looped itself and put her outside four hours. Now I looked at that and said, ‘well that’s interesting,’ because I’ve had some very weird experience happen in my life where I should be dead at least four times.

Randy: Right, right, right, yea I do too.

Steve: And what takes place is the moment one’s accepted that, time loops itself, puts you outside time, and changes the time track.

Randy: You just put some pieces on the table for me. Wow, that was, that was pretty powerful actually.

Duncan: Can I jump in for one second?

Randy: Sure, please, go ahead Duncan.

Duncan: I have a question, with the time thing. You just made me recall something that’s happened over thirty years ago now. I was in a very sound sleep, when I suddenly woke up and I’m sitting up in bed and I’m repeating the words, ‘time is a loop, time is a loop, time is a loop’.

Miranda: That’s right.

Duncan: Do you think that has any bearing to the conversation at hand, or was that just something in Miranda and I’s off‐the‐wall world?

Randy: Steve, you want to field that question?

Steve: Your Spirit is fully aware of everything that’s ever happened to you in your past. And what can take place is, in the sleeping state, and this is a really interesting, this one here. Because, you know, let’s go into your sleeping state, let’s go into your dream state. Sometimes in the dream state you have a dream in the dream. And what happens is you wake up from the dream, and you realize that that dream was only a dream. But you’re continuing with the dream aware that you’re in a dream of a dream. And in that dream you can manifest realities, in that dream you can change and you can produce people you can do all these things and you wake up next morning and you realize, ‘is it just a dream?’

Now, the reality here is, when we die, we’re going to look back and this is only a dream. If in our dream we can manifest realities, then why can’t we manifest realities in this dream? We can. But we’ve forgotten. So sometimes your Spirit is trying to make you aware of these cycles of time. Because we become stuck in cycles. I look at the prison system and I see poor guys in the prison system. “I don’t know, your honor, why I keep doing the same thing over and over.” Stuck in time. “I don’t know your honor, I have a few beers, it’s like something takes over.” It does. No one is listening to these fellas. You can turn the prison system around EASY, by applying this type of approach.

Randy: Steve, you want to mute your mike when you’re not speaking, so that, because Annalie is a little hard to hear, sorry.

Annalie: Randy, you had kind of started this particular strain of the interview with, with talking about where did the healing hinge. And what Steve was saying was well, you have to get to that point in time where you made this agreement. And you know I had gotten to this point where I was like well I understand this is happening because I’m drawing it to myself, I understand at some point where this agreement happened, but the question is, where is the hinge. Like you’re just looking through your life and you’re struggling to find where’s that hinge because if I could find it, then we could move forward. And what really helped with the holographic kinetics was sometimes, at least in my, my sessions, where the agreement hinged was an incorrect or a damaging assumption about what was going on.

And this is where the whole mind‐control thing that you work through with a lot of folks on your shows really comes in. And we can be talking about whether its very specific mind‐control in black projects, down that route, or we can talk about the more subtle mind‐control that goes on at places like Disneyland and those kind of programming centers or we can talk about what goes on in families like mine who, you know, a Committee of 300‐related family, stuff with genetic bloodlines, people working in scientific stuff. And the kind of mind control that goes on there is you know something bad happens or they treat you badly, or you’re neglected or they take your blood, or whatever happens and you start to say, ‘no this isn’t right, this isn’t it,’ and then they immediately flip it over and say, “oh but this is for the good of humanity.” And so where those assumptions are was what I had to get at to understand where that loop in time was. And if I can give a short example from my transcripts, because Steve gave some great examples, but the incorrect assumption that I had to get to was that, ‘oh, these people are important, they matter more than me, that I should allow this,’ and from there that’s where all this stuff happened, and when these things came through. And once I got to that then these winged serpents came up, the aliens with runners came up. And as soon as my Spirit said, ‘oh, that was an incorrect assumption to think that these people were more important,’ then all of that could be blown off and the timelines recreated. But until I, my Spirit recognized that, that’s where it goes.

But that is where the holographic kinetic technique has been really helpful because if you want to change it but you don’t know where the hinge is you can really get to that. And then after these sessions happen, there’s this period of integration where you slowly feel yourself shifting and you feel everything re‐patterning. Because you know oh, every time you hit that ‘oh well they’re more important and really I should give this up,’ or la‐la‐la, whatever your incorrect assumption was, then you shift that and so things disappear.

Randy: I’m sitting here wondering, as I’m listening to your story Annalie, and having done extensive interviews with Duncan and Miranda and other people, if internally there’s not a decision point. You talked about ‘the hinge’ and I think, in just thinking back on Duncan’s story, and the car accident, and the MRI. Thinking about Miranda as things began to unravel for her. It seems like internally it was like there was a clock ticking, where, it was time to deal with this. Before that, for whatever reason, the soul wasn’t able to deal with it, the body, the mind, the consciousness, doesn’t seem to be able to deal with it. Is there a timing aspect with regard to this within the soul itself that determines when we make the decision that we’re finally going to deal with this and stop, I guess, the pattern that had been programmed in, the programming, the screen memories, the cover‐up stories, the wiped memories? Is that part of the soul pattern itself? And that, that question’s for anyone that wants to answer it.

Steve: Well can I have an answer there?

Randy: Absolutely, please.

Steve: Okay. For one, I think we’ve got to get away from what everybody keeps on referring to, and that is… the soul. You see, your Spirit came here and chose a vehicle. It didn’t choose to come here and get imprisoned in this vehicle that’s been genetically engineered to amnesia. Now it wants out. See we’re at the end of a big cycle right now.

And as we’re coming to the end of the conjunction of this cycle, all the experiences that you’ve had are in the end cycle now. This is about the time where, you’ve got to deal with your stuff now. If you haven’t dealt with it now, then, groundhog day. When the conjunction takes place, you’re going to be back here again.

So what takes place is your Spirit is leading you into where you need to go. Its leading you and saying, ‘hang on, I want to get out of this game, wake up you old fella. It’s making you virtually become a little bit more aware about the scenarios that you’ve got within your programming. You see, remember the Spirit’s the internal being that can manifest this universe, and rearrange this universe ‐‐ it can manifest realities. The external to the internal is your soul. So the Spirit’s internal to external, the soul is the external to the internal. From the moment you go to school, you’re getting programmed. People are programmed in religion, people are programming external realities upon you. Your radio, your TV, the media, the government – you’re getting programmed constantly to the soul. Everything you take on is in your cells is alive, and you’re allowing all those life‐forms to run you. Every day, you get up and those life forms are running you. You get in your car and you go down the road and fill your car with petrol. Before you know it you’re in the coffee queue. Did you go for a cup of coffee? No you didn’t. But the life‐form says, ‘I need my fix,’ so you’ve given it it’s fix.

All these life‐forms in your cells, you’re letting run you until you become aware. Hey, this is about taking back control of me. And listen to your Spirit and then start in communicating with Spirit again. Because the Spirit is the most important part. We have forgotten.

My culture’s been saying, you know ever since the beginning of time, we need to keep the Spirit healed, we need to heal the Spirit, we need to heal the land. You go into areas where they’ve totally cleared the rainforest. You’ve got trees that are traumatized. You’ve got the land that’s traumatized. You bring the Spirit of the tree through and it will talk to you out of the body, on the table, it’ll tell you what’s taking place. It’s traumatized. We need to heal the Spirit of the people, and the Spirit of the land. THAT’S the most important part.

Miranda: That is so amazing and profound. I’m just sitting here drinking all this stuff in. I really want people to understand how important this is right now. And how its helping us get a much deeper understanding of programming, how we’re controlled, and to finally have the tools to break this cycle. This is magnificent knowledge and, you know, from the Aboriginal culture ‐‐ 60,000 years old you said Steve ‐‐ we’re so lucky that this knowledge didn’t disappear. We’re so lucky that we have this lifeline and we need to hold on to this knowledge and get it out so that people can start to heal. You know, the programmers, they, they know this already. They’ve been using it for a really long time. And they’ve been trying to keep it secret. And you know, meanwhile we have people coming into lifetimes already burdened with all this stuff and this programming and dealing with it. And this, to me, is such a valuable tool. We have help now. We have a way of understanding what’s going on and a way to shatter the cycle of trauma that goes beyond black projects. It covers every kind of trauma possible.

Randy: Thank you, because what I was sitting here thinking as Steve was talking is this: people listen to this show, they listen to shows like it, they’ve heard the stories. There’s an entertainment value in this, I guess, for some people. But they listen to the shows and they go, “boy, that’s really horrible, I’m glad that’s not me.” The fact of the matter is what Steve pointed out is that everybody has their – and remember when, remember we did that first interview with you Miranda, and we just went spontaneously ‘everybody’s been mind‐controlled’?

Miranda: Yep.

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Randy: That reality is the reality that the listeners need to get. Because some people will be drawn to this because they really need the help ‐‐ they really want it, they’re really damaged. Other people are dealing with lower‐level traumas that are just as significant, especially when you factor in what he’s talking about the ancestral aspects, the Spirit aspect, is huge. So, in effect, it gives you an idea of how big our work really is because we’re talking now about healing an entire planet. Because the planet is sick, the planet has been infected, it has been completely raped and pillaged and had great violence done on it, and because we’re all connected we have this, this entire malignancy that’s now encircled this planet. So I want the listener to understand that you’re not outside this group, you are part of it.

The other thing is, when you were talking about the woman with the tractor-trailer accident, I’ll just say this. When I was seventeen years old I was in an accident. I was in a head‐on collision with a tractor‐trailer in a very tiny foreign car. I believed for a long time that I did not survive that accident. And yet I have no reason for why I believe that. But that age, that particular period of my life, was a turnaround. And I’m just threading through this right now, it’s I guess my therapy. Things began to come back to me, and I began to deal with other things but the accident itself was a catalyst for waking up and going, ‘wow, I need to deal with some things in my life. And I need to find out what’s going on inside me. And I need to figure out why I have this feeling right now, that I believe I died in that accident ‐‐ which nobody believed I should have survived. The car was literally shoveled onto a flatbed truck. And its one of the things that over the years my parents, before they passed away several years ago, said, ‘we have no idea how you survived that accident.’ So, I don’t know what that means, I’m still threading through it, but I think it was a lynch pin, what Annalie called, great term, kind of a hinge period for me in beginning to unravel some of my own stuff.

Do you have any insights into that, Steve? Why do I think that?

Steve: Sure, sure. I mean, look can I just, can I just…remember when I said I should be dead four times? Well, one of those ages was eighteen and typical, typical teenager, drunk as a skunk and I went surfing at nine o’clock at night. I got caught in a rip [Ed note: As in a rip current in the ocean], I’m going down for the third time, I let go. And I remember, my arms floating and I remember, just about to pass out, and all of a sudden a hand reached into the water, nine o’clock at night, a guy on a surfboard reached in, grabbed me by the hand and pulled me out of the drink. That was the first time. Second time, I was in an FJ Holden, little windows, squashed against a telegraph pole. I’m a hundred feet down the road and walking back to the car. The third time I rode a motorcycle, I’m broad‐siding down the road, on my side, about to go under a Volkswagen. And I remember saying, ‘oh well, here come a couple of broken legs.’ I accepted it. The moment I said that, instantly there was a ZAP, and I was put in front of the car. Time loops. Time loops. Time can loop itself and I believe that something within our spirit says, ‘okay, you don’t need that dimension, let’s change the reality instantly.’ So we can get better at it each time we change that time loop, we have a choice of a new time track that is better for the future.

Let me just explain a little bit more about the Spirit and the soul. Example here. And, and there’s two examples. What I want to explain is about the programming of the soul. But we’ll get into the Spirit and the soul. I’ve got a model in Europe, she comes out to see me, gets on the catwalk, in front of thousands of people, no problems. But every morning she wakes up with anxiety and doesn’t know why. We get her on the table, her Spirit indicates, “sixteen.” ‘Thank you, go there now.’ “I remember, a friend come and stayed, slept on the lounge room floor, and I felt something happened.” ‘Thank you.’ “I remember,” is the soul.

There are four parts of a person on the table talking to me. There’s the ego, there’s the soul, there’s the Spirit, and there’s the life‐forms trying to justify their existence out of a person. This is the soul. I thank you, I acknowledge that, step aside. ‘Spirit come forward, come forward now, Spirit what took place.’ “He drugged the body, he drugged the body and he raped me, he drugged the body and raped me, I couldn’t wake the body.” The Spirit had that trauma.
Now, the other one I wanted to go in, and just explain how powerful programs are. A lot of women out there feeling they’re not good enough. So I’ve got a woman there, ‘not good enough’. So I’m dealing with her, I go back thousands of years ago. She’s a virgin, lined up with all the rest of the virgins and the high‐priest is coming along picking out the virgins to be sacrificed. ‘Thank you. Continue, what’s happened?’ “I wasn’t chosen, I’m not good enough.” That’s where it locked in thousands of years ago. Today, that program is still running, “I’m not good enough.” ‘Til we cleared that dimension. [Steve’s Notes: What a program ‐ an honor to die as a sacrifice?]

Miranda: Wow, wow that is amazing. Actually, I was just going to ask Steve if you wouldn’t mind kind of walking us through what a session with a person entails. I know you can do it remotely as well. But just sort of, from start to finish, how, how it happens?

Steve: Sure. Well the first thing I do, is to understand, holographic kinetics understands the maths and the geometry of our universe. And it is, our universe is based on maths and geometry. To understand that, is you’re a singular and you’re Spirit’s a singular. Where any two singulars come together, they create a third. Just say, just say your Spirit was blue, and your ego is yellow. At the apex of the triangle is going to be green – neither blue nor yellow, but the integration of the two.

So before you even come, you and your Spirit have to make an agreement that you want the session. If you’re coming because your mother wants you to come or your father wants you to come, you’re wasting my time. Its vitally important that this person makes an agreement with their Spirit, the moment of that intent, they’re sick of this, they want to get rid it, there’s your agreement. Now, I lock on to the, get them to look straight into my eyes, I lock onto their Spirit and themselves and I get an agreement from them, once I get that agreement, I now control the game. Now if anything is attached to them it’s a co‐creator of their reality, now it becomes a co‐co‐creator of my reality, and now it’s stuck in my reality, and I know how to deal with anything that comes into my reality.

So what we do now is, I ask the Spirit, ‘what is the issue on this person, first off, and then Spirit, what do you want to look at?’ When you tell me what it is you want to look at I then ask your Spirit what’s the emotion behind it, what age do I need to go to? It might say, “three months during conception.” ‘Thank you.’ I go around the top of the head and I hold them two little points on the back of the neck, ‘Spirit go there, go there now. Thank you. What’s happening?’ “Mum and Dad are talking about having me aborted.” Say, oh actually okay here’s a case. This, this one here was recently and happened at the Tent Embassy. And a young aboriginal girl come up to me and she’d been on drugs. “Can you help me, can you help me?” I said, ‘look into my eyes.’ As I locked on to her, hit her on the shoulder, I said, ‘Spirit send me to the cause and effect of why she is the way she is.’ Next minute she’s curled up on the ground in a little fetal position. I said, ‘little Spirit, how old are you?’ “I’m two months inside my Mummy’s tummy.” ‘Thank you little Spirit. And what’s happening?’ “Daddy punched Mummy in the tummy, Daddy punched Mummy in the tummy.” ‘And how’d that make you feel little Spirit?’ “They don’t want me.” And that’s why she’s on drugs. I looped time, changed time, changed the dimension, went in after the frequency of the drugs, blew them out of the system… she’ll be all right from now on.

Miranda: Wow, so how do these, well, how does the soul and the Spirit and the various co‐creating entities communicate with you? Do they communicate verbally through the person or do you hear them in…?

Steve: No. Verbally through the person. They’ll be speaking out of them. I mean I’ll have things sometimes sitting up on the table, hissing and spitting at me, I’ve had blue eyes turn orange and be yellow slits in them. Nothing surprises me. I had a woman in from France, this is one of the best ones. Woman in from France. Next minute, she physically metamorphed on me table. Here’s a twenty‐two year‐old woman one moment, next minute I’ve got an eighty‐seven year‐old Chinese grandmother curled up on the table speaking to me in Chinese. I said, “Spirit, send her back to the cause of the invasion of this force,’ next thing BANG, she’s sittin’ up, “I’m a Roman Catholic, reincarnation doesn’t exist!” This belief instantly overrode her Spirit. Because remember this is a molecular‐modeled world. Your assumptions and beliefs have the right of this physical, molecular being to override your Spirit. And it can’t make changes while you choose to run the show. Do you understand? It’s very important, that.

Miranda: Yea. Well, a lot of this is based on agreements that people made either knowingly or unknowingly. And, I imagine a lot of the programmers try to get the Spirit to make these agreements without the person really knowing about it. Is that, how it works?

Steve: Yes, but if you stop and have a look, look at religion. Religion has been a program for thousands of years. Programmed from your mother to your mother to your mother, all the way down the line, and it’s a program into you, and the belief system of that program is that reincarnation doesn’t exist. Now we have a culture that’s all waiting for Jesus to reincarnate back again but reincarnation doesn’t exist. It is society that I look at.

Randy: That was a gem right there, thank you.

Annalie: Miranda, I have a… I know both you and Duncan have these matching scars on the back of your spine. And I heard your story about that awhile ago and then went through my process with HK and I was amazed because there was, I think in my second session, this thing came up about my spontaneous kundalini experience. And so we were doing the session and if I can just read a snippet from what came up so listeners can see what that kind of process is like because when you’re doing it as a surrogate, and as Steve and I spoke the other day, it’s not the same when you get these transcripts later but they’re like, BINGO, that’s exactly it, I remember almost being there in the session practically, if I can get there.

So, the emotion that came up was that I was wicked and it was first activated in this lifetime at age seven. “Traveling – I’m not at home ‐ traveling with mother to mum’s work ‐ she's taking me to see a man ‐ don't know why ‐ I don't like it I have seen him before – I don't like his eyes ‐ they regard me strangely ‐ they regard me like I’m an object ‐ I am scared of him ‐ I don't trust him ‐ he does strange things to me ‐ he is tapping me ‐ tapping my body ‐ all over sometimes my spine he pulls on my legs ‐ pushes on my body ‐ he is manipulating my body ‐ he's straightening my spine – my spine didn't need straightening ‐ why did mother take me if this was not necessary ‐ I don't know why my mom took me ‐ the man is casting a spell ‐ chanting – I’m dizzy, I feel funny in my body ‐ my body feels strange ‐ he knows what he is doing ‐made me feel funny ‐ my body feels light and disconnected ‐ I feel disconnected ‐ my mother is pleased ‐ the man is her master ‐ she goes there regularly ‐ she does everything this man says – it’s not father ‐ I’ve got pains ‐ in their eyes its going well ‐ they have plans for me don't know what they are ‐ they are happy about it but I am disconnected and scared ‐ they say I am growing up ‐ I want to grow up ‐ I want to please mum.” And that’s the hinge, Randy, that we were talking about. “He put in a gap in my spine low down.” ‘Instruct spirit’… and then this is the practitioner… ‘instruct Spirit to go back to when want to please mum and this is why you are doing all this, you want Spirit to take all illusion aside and see why my mother is doing this.’ “It is the first step in initiation.” ‘Do you still want to please her?’ Spirit, “yes” ‘Why?’ “I love mum but I am frightened of her.” ‘Is that any reason to please her?’ “I have no choice.” So again, hinge number two, “I have no choice.” And then the practitioner says, ‘but everyone has free choice.’ “Mother said do it for her.” ‘You see mother was using her for her own purposes without your welfare in mind.’ Spirit then sees that. ‘It is all right to love mum but it is not all right to do things that are detrimental to your own being.’ Spirit understands and blows out the connection to needing to please mother and everything related to it locks it out. And then gathering up all dimensions, with the first stage of initiation, where that happens through all dimensions, and hooking onto any other stages of initiation in this lifetime that are active, anything that has been affecting this lifetime that had to do with the initiation and all emotions involved and then blown out, severed the timeline, sever all connections, and lock it out.
And so I just wanted to share that because it totally linked to what Duncan and Miranda had said, it links to the hinge idea, and then it also is, you know, what Steve was saying, with you have to get Spirit to acknowledge this and like, stop letting soul drive the bus. You know, and that’s the hardest thing to do. And I’m still working on it every day.

Miranda: But that’s really such a profound part of it that hinge concept of finding that area where you can change things and, solve it, fix it, and heal. It’s incredible. You know so many people have tried, you know, myself included, all different kinds of modalities, only to run into a brick wall. Knowing there’s something there, feeling around for it in the dark, and not being able to grasp on something that will actually effect the change that you are looking for. So, I think that’s incredibly helpful and profound.

Annalie: And Steve, I had a question for you, this was something I had discussed with Miranda, about the problems with having been a programmed person and trying to do hypnosis to get to these memories. And, my question is, is about how entities get involved. Because with hypnosis I felt like, okay, I got to the trauma memory, I got IN the trauma memory, I’m being traumatized again by the memory. Then I’m also happened to be out of my body, because as soon as I get hypnotized I’m one of those people who just goes out of my body like at the drop of a hat, and then I felt like I came out of hypnosis with like, whoever astral hitchhiker happened to be on the block. So, my question for Steve was to talk about why holographic kinetics modality can be helpful as opposed to some of these other things like hypnosis or that and really get at the core of it without coming in with more stuff to clear on top of what you’ve already got going.

Steve: All right that noise I hope it finishes in a second or two. Hypnosis accesses the soul. It, it’s hypnotizing the same as you take NLP, you take kinesiology, you take a whole run of other modalities and they’re all accessing the soul. Thus the vehicle is externally in the cellular memory of the being. The Spirit is the nucleus. It accesses… the Spirit is totally different to the soul. I look at the Spirit as saying the spirit is like the nucleus of the atom, and the soul is the electron around the atom.

Now when that comes together to create a molecule there’s a physical being in the reality we’ve got today. When you go to the nucleus, thus the Spirit, then you get into the cause of the effect, and you can change the soul. The soul can’t change the Spirit. So when you go in after the soul, and you’re changing the soul through hypnosis, you deprogram, you reprogram it. You’ve still got a program. We’re not changing the soul. What changes, because the Spirit can change the soul then you’re changing the program in the soul. With hypnosis.

Annalie: Right, thank you. Yea, and so many of the hypnotherapists these days want you to do NLP with it as well. And it was like, oh, I just got OVER the programming, like, please don’t install, you know, quit smoking and lose twenty pounds by next week, you know, I just don’t need that, you know. So thank you Steve, that makes a lot of sense.

Randy: A lot of what I hear from people who have undergone hypnotherapy, and I’ll talk here a little bit about both trauma‐based people and people who have gone through perceived alien abduction. Is, there is a movement out there that is taking people and putting them under hypnotherapy, recovering so‐called ‘memories,’ but I’m finding that the hypnotherapists themselves are predisposed to a certain outcome. And I’ll give you an example.

I’ve read several books by a woman named Dolores Cannon. Dolores Cannon has worked extensively with ET abductees for over twenty years. Dolores Cannon is predisposed to the idea that everybody is basically under an illusion that they’ve been abducted, that they consented to this, that what has been done to them was part of their soul contract, and that really what they perceived as being wicked and evil and nasty to them was not really any of that, it was simply their perception of it. And she uses different hypnotic suggestions throughout the course to keep people calmed down. Reading her process, in reading the literature that she’s put out on her methodology, it sounds like exactly what you just said. She’s reprogramming on the fly as she’s doing this.

Miranda: Yea, can I just jump in here really fast about the hypnosis issue? For those people who have been part of black projects, and that kind of specific mind‐control programming, hypnosis is incredibly dangerous because they’d install suicide programs where the person will be programmed to kill the hypnotist or therapist or anybody who attempts doing it. Or, kill themselves, harm themselves, have their heart stop beating. So, specifically for people who have been in black projects, I just, Duncan and I feel very strongly that hypnosis is not the way to go. And we’re only speaking on our behalf and our experience. Duncan has direct experience with that. So I just wanted to put that out there.

Annalie: The abduction question, you know, we might turn it over to Steve because when he and I were talking, he said, he said abductions were something more of a problem several years ago, maybe ten years ago, I think he said, but not so much now because aliens have their clones and hybrids. I mean maybe we can segue into asking Steve about this abduction phenomena and how it’s playing out, what his information is about that.

Randy: Yea, I’d like to hear that as well.

Miranda: Yea.

Steve: Yea look, I go back, when I first started putting this together and, you know five years prior to putting this course together – I’ve been twelve years teaching – that goes back really about fifteen years now. And, back in those days, you know, I was one of the only people in the world that could deal with abductions. And, there was quite a lot of abductions taking place. And what I would do, I’d unfold space‐time, back to the cause, the effect of the original agreement in time, no matter how far back in time it was. You see, one thing I realized is there’s lore. L‐O‐R‐E. And, for a planet to be suspended in space, there has to be laws of lore. And one of the laws I found covers all dimensions. They’re all governed by these laws.

And one of those laws is nothing can invade the space of another without permission. So they had to get permission way back in time. Once they got permission from you, that was an agreement. That agreement is valid through time and space for eternity. The same people that’ve being abducted today are the people who made the agreements thousands of years ago. So by enfolding space‐time of the dimension and going back to the cause and effect of the agreement, and breaking the agreement way back in time, would actually stop those abductions from taking place into the future. It ceased to be.

Now that was ten to fifteen years ago. And in that period of time they were taking a lot of eggs from women, and they were taking the sperm from the men. But today, in a lot of these underground bases, they have their own hybrid species, they have their own cloning sections, and they have their own – thousands ‐‐ of human bodies that they’re actually reproducing. Now, I don’t want to go too much into this area, because we’re getting into some pretty touchy ground here, but I’ve sent people out of body into areas that, you know, we shouldn’t be in. As observers. Now one of the things about the universe is that anybody can go and observe any game without interfering in the game. And the next morning, we had visitors, big fellas coming through the walls, and, interfering, but because they came into my game, and I control the game at the time, I then went in after them, and dealt with them as well. I won’t go in too much into it but, there is. And they don’t need to do abductions nowadays because virtually, they have their own clones. They have their own hybrids.

Randy: Agree with that, I would agree with that. I don’t know to what extent they have the clones and the hybrids, I do know the hybrids are out there, I’ve seen them. And, there have been others who have stated what you said as well, that the abductions basically had ended ten years ago, so. Let me ask you, this, and this is a little off the rim, but because I have people that come to me with a lot of different things, what about what we would call inter‐dimensional or extra‐dimensional entity abduction?

Steve: Okay, there’s a whole range of things out there today, you know, interfering with people today. You’ve got one, you’ve got thoughts, thought‐form, become life forms, that evolve into entities, internal. You’ve got external entities out there. You go to the local pub, and you get on the grogs [Aussie term for alcoholic beverages] and the alcohol, their defenses are down, in they come, and they take over. You’ve got genetic stuff that can have stuff attached to it down through the time, where you have other beings attached. You can have animal spirits or human spirits in there. You know, animal spirits is an interesting one, I mean, I had a beauty one day, this guy he’s been over twenty psychiatrists and psychologists and no one can help him.

He comes to me, holds his arms out and he says, “look at this,” and he’s got stitches at both elbows. He said, “I’m getting thrown around the room by an invisible force. They broke both me arms, broke three of me ribs, you know another time jumped in me girlfriend and ripped half the hair out of me head, clawed me.” He said, “this thing’s huge, I want to get rid of it.” I say, ‘okay, get on the table.’ So I said, ‘when did it start?’ He said, “Nine to ten years ago I went to a party, and I got drunk. I woke the next morning, there’s a guy on my chest belting the living daylights out of me, accusing me of stealing. Never been so petrified in my entire life. From that day on this thing would surface. It was huge. It would pick me up, throw me across the room, threw me down flights of stairs, broke me arms, broke me ribs, I want to get rid of it.” Back on the table. I accessed, I called this thing up and next thing I’m hanging onto his head, by these two points I’m holding, and he starts physically shapeshifting. His mouth extends out and he starts yawning long yawns, and belching. And its like something twenty times my size belching away on the table. I thought, ‘what in the hell have I got here?’ I said, ‘Spirit, how far back in time did this take place?’ And instantly speaking out of him his Spirit said, “fifteen‐hundred years ago.” ‘Thank you. Go there, what happened?’ “I’m a hunter.” ‘Thank you. And what’s happening?’ “I’ve hunted down a bear.” ‘Thank you, what happened?’ “I got close to the bear, I thought it was dead, it was still alive. It turned on me. Bit off my right arm, bit off me left arm, and clawed me to death. “ He and the bear had now both died in an integrated universe of fear which has been asleep for fifteen‐hundred years. Nineteen years ago he’d never been so petrified in his entire life it triggered up that dimension which now overlaid itself in present day. The Spirit of the bear’s in there and he wants out, it’s throwing him around the room. I had to bring the Spirit of the bear up, enfold space‐time, send him back fifteen‐hundred years, change the past and the present for the future. Then set, put him aside, bring the man back fifteen‐hundred years, change the past and the present so it never occurs in the future cycle of time. Release the Spirit of the bear, the guy gets up, ‘My God, it makes so much sense, I’ve had nightmares for years about being attacked by a bear. That and of all, look at this. He took his shirt off and turned around, his back and his backside and his chest were covered in hairs two inches long. The thing was morphing through into him.

This throws Darwin theory totally out the window, ‘cause Darwin theory is only based only on the physical structure down the genetic line, it does not take into consideration the other forces that enter with the Spirit, and they’re in the vehicle. You get people sometimes barking like a dog and clucking like a chicken – Tourette’s syndrome. I go in and take up the animal Spirits, and take them out, and no more Tourette’s.

Then you get people with human Spirits, soldiers of war, man, look at how many soldiers you got suffering over there. Well I have ex‐Viet vets on the table, forty years after Vietnam War I have Spirits of Viet‐Cong talkin’ out the body. ‘Speak to me in English, what took place?’ They tell me what took place, I enfold space‐time change the past, the present for the future cycle, release the Spirit and instantly that forty years of mental trauma is no longer there. That’s just some of what we’re dealing with. And then there’s the big boys through the rituals.

So you’ve got a whole range of things. You’ve got, you know, you’ve got animal Spirits, you’ve got human Spirits, you’ve got entities, you’ve got Draconians, you’ve got the big, winged‐serpent fellas, the hierarchy, and a whole range of other beings out there we don’t even know what they are. Apart from the alien stuff and, yea. So, there is some of, some of what we’re dealing with.

Annalie: And Randy, if I can just add in here, I mean, I’ve had three sessions, I’ve had two for my kids because stuff was coming out through them as I worked on my stuff. I had Sirians come up, I had Greys come up, I had a genetic cluster, I had an octopus thing that looked like a purple blob that was sucking energy off the top of my head, and I also had Pleiadians come up. And I wanted to point this out. Folks are so into their ‘guides’ and listening to, tuning into their inter‐dimensional guides and stuff, I think that’s great. It’s a good first step on trying to expand your mind.
But its really important for people to understand that once you get in there with Spirit and you find out where these hinge points are and you clear this stuff, almost every single thing that I was calling on as a guide. I had a lot of animal spirits as guides. You know I’d see a hawk in the sky and I’d be like, ‘oh it’s a message from Spirit,’ and stuff, you know, well, birds were dinosaurs, were Draconians and it was totally related to that. And so it’s really important for people to just tune in to their own Spirit and be willing to lose all the stuff that doesn’t matter. I mean I lost the guides and I got myself. I stopped talking to my family, and I got myself. And, you have to be willing to punch through all the illusion to get to where you’re free.

And I mean, when I had my first session, I felt instantly, as soon as the session was over, a million times better than I had in literally hundreds of thousands of years—and I could remember that. And now, you know, weeks and weeks have gone by and I am kind of back to living the life in, you know, the twenty‐first century. But it is incredible at what I was convinced was my friend when really that was the exact force that was causing my subjugation and my enslavement. And so I just wanted to throw that in there, that it’s really important to look at this and the Pleiadians, the Sirians, not everyone out there is your friend, in fact, most of it isn’t.

Steve: One of the alien…sorry there, I was just going to say the point you point out there I think it’s very important for people to understand. Because too many people out there, remember, these, these beings that have been manipulating our world have been around for thousands of years. They’ve been manipulating people at the very highest level, so our world has actually been run for thousands of years. But the only way it can get in, through lore, is by agreement. So all these people, when they’re calling in the Gods, their guides, and everything else outside of their reality, are giving power outside of themselves to something outside themselves.

The key is inside yourself. It’s with your Spirit. It’s not outside yourself. The positive beings out there in other dimensions, they know, you cannot interfere with the evolvement of the species. The moment you interfere with the evolvement of a species you enter the game, the moment you enter the game you’re subject to laws of the game, and then you’re trapped in the game. The moment you enter someone else’s game, you’re subject to the laws of that game. Everything in that dimension is in what I call the torus field of that dimension. While you’re in your own field, you’re in your own field. The moment you enter someone else’s space, and someone else’s game, you become subject to the laws of that game. And that’s how you have all these secret societies. You told me about that incident before with the mother and rituals. I guarantee she would have had something manipulating her because, when they get to that higher level of manipulation, the human species believes that what they’re doing is right. Because these beings are manipulating the brain waves of these humans to justify what they’re doing is right. I’ve had people that have sacrificed their own children at rituals, believing it was right. Who’s putting the program in there to believe its right? When your brain is being manipulated by another dimension then, you’ll justify it in any form or any way, because they’re manipulating you into that justification that this is right. These beings are violating lore and they can be dealt with. Anything that defies laws of LORE can be dealt with.

Miranda: I think a lot of people are waking up to that too, and they’re understanding that we’ve been manipulated on such a deep level and for so long, and they’re just at the point now where they’re going, ‘how do I fix it?’ So, that’s what I really like about this, this presents a solution for the, the problem. And, I actually had a question for you Steve on that front. I remember reading your site and you were talking about if we’re present when somebody dies or if we’re responsible for the death of somebody, that can create an agreement situation where they enter our Spirit, is that right? Can you talk a little bit about that?

Steve: Sure, sure. I mean I’ll give you one very good case I had. I had, I had a woman came to me and she’s had three spinal operations and she’s riddled with pain. Eight years later, she’s still riddled with pain. She’s come to see me…and no sorry, lot longer than that, because she’s eight years ago friends of mine said it was an accident, car accident, and that was at twenty‐eight. I get her on the table because I’m not interested her friends talk her about, I’m interested in what her Spirit says. Her Spirit said, “eighteen.” ‘Go there now.’ Next minute she’s screaming hysterically on the table, “I forgot, I forgot, I totally forgot.” ‘What happened?’ “I had a head‐on collision in a car when I was eighteen.” ‘Thank you. What happened?’ “The other woman died.” ‘Thank you.’

Well straight‐away the first thing comes to me is this is reciprocal exchange of energy. So I just, checked, sure enough, she’s responsible for the death of this other woman. The Spirit of the other woman has jumped into her. I brought the Spirit of the other woman up, boy you should’ve heard she was rope‐able because this woman was careless and had killed her. No. She wanted to punish her good and proper. I said, ‘listen Spirit. Cause everything that’s happening now, happened before. Everything that’s happening now will happen again. You don’t want the same thing to happen next cycle of time, do you?’ “No.” ‘Let’s change it.’ We enfolded space‐time, changed it for the future cycle of time and I release the Spirit. Instantly, all her spine issues, she had, disappeared. They weren’t hers in the first place.

If you feel sorry for somebody, yes, you can trap the Spirit. I’ve had children, you know I had a little girl, I mean she’s a woman nowadays, went back to four years old, she’s on the grandfather’s shoulders at the show and he had a heart attack and died. And the little girl’s traumatized and she didn’t want grandpa to leave. Well, forty years later, grandpa’s still in there. And he says, “I want out! I didn’t plan to be trapped.”

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[Hervé]

Randy: Okay, you’ve come into an interesting area here, we might as well go there. Is it our interaction with people at the time of their death that can create a situation where that Spirit itself becomes trapped, as a result of our energy interchanging with it?

Steve: It’s two fold. Now what I mean by two fold is, if we’re responsible for the death of another, then that Spirit has a right, and I say a right, in other words, watch this under lore? If I went downtown and I smashed your car to smithereens, well there’s universal laws that say, hang on, he smashed his car to smithereens, he can have your car. Well, a body’s a vehicle. When you destroy the vehicle of another, then the universe says hang on, he can have your vehicle. So he has a right to jump into your vehicle now. Now, he’s in there and if you have a few beers and he can take over. That’s on the physical side of the Spirit having the rights to the vehicle. Then there’s cases where people, through their intent, “I don’t want grandpa to leave,” and they hang onto it.

Now, the other thing is, we go back, we go back in time and quite often, “One year old.” ‘Thank you. What’s happening?’ “I shouldn’t be here, I don’t want to be here.” ‘I don’t want to be here’ – the intent of not wanting to be here – is an invitation to something that does. “I wish I was dead,” – that’s an invitation to something that wants to live. “I wish I had a friend,” – that’s an invitation for a little friend to appear. That’s how powerful the universe is. The first is the law of intent. The moment you put out, “I don’t want to be here,” it’s an invitation to other things that do. The moment you put out, “I don’t want to live,” it’s an invitation to things that do. The moment you put out for a little friend, it’s an invitation for the little friend. First the invisible world, THEN the visible world.

Miranda: Okay, I have sort of a weird follow‐up question to that. Duncan’s and my situation, we were heavily mind‐controlled, our personalities were split into alternate personalities and we were sent out on jobs that, that, resulted in the deaths of many people. Would we be considered responsible for those deaths? Or would the people who sent us out in these other personalities be responsible? Or both?
Steve: Now that’s a good question. Well what’d the judge say, when the court case comes before the judge, and it’s brought before the judge, what’s the first thing the judge says? You see, these fellas know lore. The first thing the judge says is, “what was the intent?”

Miranda: Well, the other personalities intent was certainly for termination. But, in our original main personalities we were completely unaware of what was going on.
Steve: Then if you’re not aware of what’s going on, then there’s no intent. Intent is he who programmed you. And he who programmed you is now subject to lore. In other words, he must come back in the future cycles to be programmed, to understand his own programming. You know this universe has got to have balance. How can a planet be suspended in space without balance?

If the universe says, ‘okay, you want to go and do this, then you must experience what you have done to another to understand that experience.’ For only then can you have balance. And only then can the universe be in balance. You’re aware of what you did, and by being aware of what you did, and have remorse for what you did, not being in control of the program, that doesn’t make your intent. It was part of the program.

Miranda: Okay, even though it was technically another aspect of ourselves, this, these other personalities?

Steve: Well I’ve got news for you, a lot of the time these other personalities, are not personalities. They are other life‐forms that have been programmed into you.

Miranda: Yes, yes.

Randy: Thank you, I was… that actually… because I was going to make the distinction of what a personality is relative to soul and Spirit. Because, in effect, an altered personality created under trauma‐based mind‐control is effectively an artificially created entity or even an entity that belongs to the person that was doing the trauma in the first place.

Steve: Well, okay, a little bit of yes and no there, was, it’s actually an entity. You’ve got to get the difference between all of these. I can guarantee what they’re doing here is virtually a form of ritual. And in that form of ritual, you’re going to have a Draconian attached to you. IT is going to be programmed, and that will be its program to carry out in you.

Miranda: Got it.

Steve: Got it?

Miranda: Yes.

Steve: And you can have many of them in there, separate programs.

Miranda: Can you have… so I guess, yea, one of the questions I had awhile ago was can an entity such as, I guess, a disembodied person, so a ghost, let’s say, who’s trapped here, can that become a quote, ‘alternate personality?’ Can people or beings in the astral world actually be programmed as alternate personalities? And it sounds like the answer is yes to that.

Steve: Again, again, I was listening to your words. This is so important, these words. We talk about entities, we talk about Spirits. Different. Totally different. An entity is cultivated from a thought, an entity evolves from a thought form to a life‐form, from a life‐form into an entity and an entity can evolve into a Spirit, eventually take it’s own body down the track. Now, you’ve got, that’s the, that’s the entity. The Spirit, the moment it becomes into a Spirit, it now chooses to come into a vehicular, into a molecular vehicle. It may be the Spirit of a tree, it may be the Spirit of a dog, it may be the Spirit of a human. It comes into that vehicle. It now has a physical vehicle in this molecular structure world. So that is its vehicle. It can evolve from that. The Spirit can move into the firmament and the gases and the liquids and the rocks, and the plankton and then the plant life and the insect life and then the animal life, and then the human life. And eventually it evolves into another form again.

Now, when the spirit comes in the vehicle, this vehicle is allocated to it. Its vehicle. But through ritual stuff, what takes place is a Draconian is also activated, and he has now got the born rights. He enters the vehicle with the Spirit, and he’ll traumatize the Spirit. Now with that, each one of those can be programmed with a program to be taken over. So it’s a Draconian in there with a program – you can have many different Draconians with MANY different programs, and when they take over your vehicle, because you’ve been programmed to a switch, and he takes over, he’ll carry out his program. These beings can be brought up on the table. And they can be taken out. They’re violating [law of] LORE.

END OF PART ONE

Annalie:I bet that sounds like sweet, sweet music to your ears Miranda, doesn’t it?

Miranda:Oh, does it, boy howdy. But another question I have is, so when these get attached to a person, is there, does there have to be on some level an agreement from the original Spirit of the person that they’re attaching these things to? Some agreement on some…even if they’re not aware that they’re making the agreement.

Steve:What takes place here, and you’ve got to go back and have a look…we’ve got a bit of noise here again, sorry… it’s not necessarily agreement but it’s traumatizing the Spirit. If they’re traumatizing the Spirit then the program, the soul can be programmed. If they traumatize the Spirit and then something in there has got a program, and then they externally program the soul, then the soul accepts what’s in there, and the thing in there has its own program. Now it’s got in the vehicle. Sometimes it’s like a bus‐load of people in there, and you’re driving the vehicle and you’ve got a whole bus‐load of other beings in the back. Every one of them in there wants to take over. ‘Get aside, I’m driving the bus today, thank you very much.’

Miranda:Gotcha.

Steve:One of these other beings take over.

Miranda:Gotcha, thank you.

Annalie:Steve, you had talked about the Draconians, and earlier in the beginning of our conversation you mentioned that we’re in this, that we’re entering this period of conjunction, where we’ve got to get rid of our ‘stuff’ and sort out our ‘stuff’ and how best can we do that with, you know, driving as fast as possible and staying reasonable, as Miranda and I and Duncan probably know. And you mentioned also when we spoke the other day this inter‐dimensional war that’s going on, on our planet. And I was kind of hoping you could maybe tie together this idea of the Draconians running the show through people, these entities running the show through people at the highest levels of government and how this is all going to play forward through this conjunction that you talked about. If that’s okay Randy, I mean I may be jumping forward and…

Randy:No, I’m actually enjoying the questions, thank you, that was great. Go ahead Steve, I’m interested to hear this.

Steve:Be a couple of minutes, I’ve got a bit of noise here.
Randy:Sure, no problem.

Duncan:I’m still here guys. I’m just sitting here fascinated in student‐mode.
Randy:Yea, that’s kind of where I’m at too. I get to actually sit back and let other people formulate the questions, this is wonderful.

Duncan:M‐kay, Steve has confirmed so much of what ‘M’ and I have discussed over the past couple of years. I mean this confirmation for us right now is fantastic.

Miranda:It really is so, so helpful, these pieces are coming together, beautifully.

Randy:Well and given what we’re dealing with on an almost daily basis anymore of being attacked and assaulted psychically, and in every other way. I’m just really threading through a lot of this. Most of this is new information for me as well, because I’ve not been up to speed on this. I looked at Steve’s website earlier and I didn’t even have time to begin. So you guys are a little bit more up to speed on, on what he’s talking about right now. So that actually makes it kind of good, for once I get to sit back and be almost like unschooled and learn as I’m going with it. He had a couple of big ones, I gotta say that. That’s the other side of this right now, some of this stuff makes sense now.

Annalie:Well and also what he was saying about these entities are really coming through, and as the Spirit gets more and more traumatized and backed‐down to let this stuff come through this might be why, you know, Duncan you talk a lot about how you’re able to see the demonicos, you know walking down streets and stuff. And there was just this incident the other day in Miami I think it was, where there was some guy who stripped naked and he was eating another man’s face.

Duncan:Yea, I saw that.

Annalie:And, you know, then they say, ‘oh it’s cocaine‐induced psychosis.’

Randy:You’ve got to be kidding me!

Annalie:Yea that’s what they were saying and I said no this is exactly, this is the Draco coming RIGHT forward, the human gets totally traumatized back in the corner and then, you know, they just play out. I mean, humans don’t eat other humans’ faces. I don’t care how much cocaine you’ve had. You know, and so this is where I think that what Steve has to say can be really helpful to help us navigate this obscure and strange world that we’re inhabiting right now.

Randy:Well this is another layer too, because we’ve not talked on this show about Dracos much. And I’m real interested to learn more about it. Because one of my questions to Steve was going to be ‘where’s the pyramid?’ We know that we’re dealing with a hierarchial structure here. I mean there’s a reason for the evil that’s running rampant right now. And I know that everyone on this call has tasted that on one level or another. But at the same time it’s hard to get to the head of the hydra. And I’m kind of mixing metaphors here.

Miranda:In a good way though. It, I agree.

Annalie:It might well be a hydra, you know.

Steve: Okay, we’ll just get back to the question there about the inter‐dimensional stuff. And our world itself, and, and you go back and look into history way back in time, our world was never what we’ve been taught it was. I mean you’ve really got to go, even the early biblical part it talks of the Gods coming from the heavens. You’ve got Anu. It talks of the Nephilim up here on the Earth. The interesting part is it says and after 144,000 years is the Nephilim uprise. Well, you know, no one’s looking at, at exactly what it’s trying to tell us. It’s giving us the universal keys in amongst it.

And to understand that, you, you’ve got… as I said about the pyramid structure of an agreement of somebody we’re working with. Once we get that, there’s a torus field around the base of that. But the base of that pyramid’s a square. So, if you take the top of the pyramid itself and go into the Fibonacci mathematics and do your three cycles around it, the cycle of the very top is, is the cause, the next cycle when it comes around is the action, the next cycle around that is the reaction, and the next cycle at base is the effect, which is the entity. But, mathematically at the very top is the zero and at the very base there, at the corner point at the bottom of the square is 144. That represents one to the square.

Randy: Ooo, that’s a real interesting number, thank you.

Steve: And the square is the invisible world of matter. It’s the first form of matter, is a square. But under the pyramid it now drops down into the cube. In the Platonic geometry 144. From the invisible world of matter to the visible world of structure. Then from structure it takes on form tetrahedron icosahedron dodecahedron, octahedron – there’s a crystallization formation which is locked into the 144 – and at the end of the three cycles of time, zero, zero, zero, three cycles of time, the Nephilim went back to where they came – there’s a conjunction. And the key to soul has been saying 144,000, it’s telling you after one to the square to the cube and at the end of the three dimensions, which is August next year, time will loop itself.

And this is why everybody, this is why things are coming up with people right now. This is why… they’re panicking right now. They want to keep as many souls in this game as they can for the next cycle of time. It’s a whole range of things are taking place right now in our world. It’s a very important time next twelve months. But as I said, there are a number of different beings out there struggling for this time‐space location, this planet. And we were, we were…this planet was designed for one thing, originally. When the beings came here originally what was the whole idea of the human species being created? First was the nephilim, the giants here, then they made a new species the adapta, one to adapt to a way of life. And then the Adama, oh hang on Adam lived for nine hundred and thirty years as Adam was an Adama, Noah lives to nine hundred and fifty years he also was an Adama… Abraham a hundred and seventy six years. Why was man produced? To mine this hunk of rock? Well that’s interesting. I see the economy of our world right now crashing, going downhill, and you’ll see mining going through the roof. Where are your minerals going? So there’s part of it.

Miranda: I think all of our minds are blown right now. I think my brain’s leaking out my ears, in a good way. That’s great information.

Randy:Okay, you, you really just unraveled something there that’s uh, I don’t think many people understand the importance of this 144 and 144,000. So, one more time so I understand you, tell me the significance of that again Steve. Because THAT was beyond interesting to me.

Steve: Oh, okay, to understand that let’s look at the Fibonacci mathematics. And Fibonacci mathematics, you start with point zero to one. Zero and one is one. The one and the one is a two. The two and the one is a three. The three and the two is a five. And it continues to exactly 144 after exactly three cycles. Any number in the sequence, take a five plus the eight equals thirteen. The past and the present equals the future, the past and the present equals the future. All the way through, until you get 144. At the base of 144 is the square [phone rings], sorry, excuse me for one second, just excuse me one second.

Miranda: Wow.

Annalie:That just totally made the ‘war for the souls’ part that you talk about Duncan, click.

Randy:That’s what I was thinking. Duncan, what did we talk about going way back to our first interviews? What this battle was about?

Miranda:Yes.

Duncan:Exactly.

Miranda:And souls.

Duncan:About the souls, who’s gonna control the most souls after this period is over.

Steve: Yea, sorry, so we’ll get back to where I was. Visualize, visualize the Fibonacci now OVER the top of the pyramid. And, remember the pyramid and you’ve gotta go, and if I look at this in religion I thought this is interesting because, you know, to me, I find that, you know, you’ve got the Gods in religion, the Gods in religion is trying to say, ‘don’t ask questions, just obey.’ Total dictatorship. And then you’ve got Jesus trying to say, ‘the key is within you.’ Equal opposite.

Randy: Yes.

Steve: Now what takes place is if you stop and you have a look through the Fibonacci sequences of it, and your three cycles of time and then take your pyramid. The first is the singular, the second is duality. Well isn’t that interesting. Did, did Jesus not say in his, in his teachings, ‘if any two agree so be it.’ There’s the integration. Did he not say, ‘the most powerful thing in the world is the tongue?’ There’s your square, first form of matter ‐‐ and the invisible world now set into play. Which is the base of the pyramid. There’s the square in the invisible world. Now it moves into Platonic geometry into the cube. And from the cube goes the tetrahedron, icosahedron, dodecahedron, octahedron. It now crystallizes in the cellular structure of the being. Now there’s your trapped energy, coming into life‐form.

Randy: Now you’re saying plutonic energy not Platonic, right?

Steve:Platonic geometry.

Randy:Plutonic geometry?

Steve:Yes, Platonic geometry.

Annalie:As in Plato, right?

Randy:No I’m reading that as Pluto, the planet, not Plato the philosopher.

Steve:Yea, Platonic.

Randy:Okay.

Steve:Platonic geometry. Just go and look up Platonic geometry and you’ll see from Platonic geometry goes, you know tetrahedron….

Randy:Yea, Platonic solids, right?

Steve:That’s it, that’s it.

Randy:Got it. Got it. Got it.

[Ed note: There was some misunderstanding in the conversation here. The term Steve is using is Platonic geometry, as in the geometry of solids described in Euclidian geometry. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid for further clarification and the structures being described.]

Steve: And that’s the form, so of the square. Well, it moves first from the, from the two singulars, to the integration of the triangle. Now when you control the game, two is the pyramid. The cycle over the pyramid is the Fibonacci down to the 144. But the base of the pyramid is your square, then the square into the cube ‐‐ which goes from the invisible world to the visible world. Now we’re in the visible world of structure. Now structure multiplies by itself to crystallization there’s form. Look at man. Man is, you know, eighty or ninety odd percent water. What happens when you crystallize water? Ice. Solid. Ridgid. Well you look at people out there today. ‘You can’t tell me, I know it all.’ Rigidity. Look at the solidity and rigidity of them. They’ve gotta from ice back to water back to steam, because only the steam can pass between the dimensions. Programmed, programmed. The rigidity is programming. Total programming your way of thinking.

Randy: That’s why we think in terms of Spirit as something being sort of a mist. Or, or what you just said there – steam.

Miranda:Yea.

Steve:That’s correct, that’s correct.

Steve: And the funny thing is when we start clearing people, and this is I say this is where, Darwin theory thrown out the window because Darwin is into limitation. It’s only genetically looked into stuff. You get other beings, other forces in the bodies and you’ll see in their features. You take them out and watch the features change on the table.

Randy:Yes. And entities that we see sometimes tend to have this same character. I’ve experienced repeated entities that were really nothing more than what I perceived as shadow. And yet they were very real, and could become very real.

Steve:When people have got those in them at times, and I’m not saying all. I mean at times you will see them in certain people. It’s the same as sometimes you’ll see animal Spirits in certain people. Look at their features. You take out the animal Spirit and watch their features change.

Randy: Yes, yes I’ve recounted a couple of times to people how I’ve looked at people or beings or entities and I knew I wasn’t seeing what everybody else was seeing. I was seeing something else manifest.

Miranda:Steve you said something about how they want to keep as many souls here as possible for their purposes. Can you talk a little bit more about, why that, why, well a) why, well, I think we know why the kundalini is going all crazy right now with the world but why they want the… as many souls as possible?

Steve: Well, first off, stay away from opening up kundalini. The moment you open the kundalini, and I’ll guarantee you’ll be bringing up Draconian or reptilian stuff up through your spine, waiting there to take over the vehicle. Now, second thing is humans, Spirits in human bodies are a fascinating thing. We are one of the most powerful things in this universe, as a Spirit. But we have forgotten how to improvise and rearrange this universe to conform to our reality.

Now when you start getting out of other people’s reality into your own reality, then you can create your own reality. And when you change it, and create a whole new reality, then you’re not in the reality of another. You’re in your reality. And we have the right to do this. Now what takes place is that, we, through emotions, create realities and energies. These are the beings that are harnessing this energy. We’re like a massive battery source that, you know, that feeds energy to another dimension. So they need as many humans in physical body form to do the work for them on this physical, molecular dimension. But at the same time be able to feed off the energy of these beings.

Miranda: Is this a process, with the holographic kinetics, one way that we can protect ourselves from en masse or, individually I guess, from having this energy be harvested and used?

Steve: The greatest thing I’ve found with holographic kinetics is the fact that, we’ve recognized that we are a hologram of time. It recognizes the Spirit in the being. How can anything ever change unless it’s acknowledged? If I don’t acknowledge the Spirit, then it won’t acknowledge me. The moment I acknowledge my Spirit, it’ll acknowledge me. The moment I tell it certain things I want and let go of it, it can rearrange the universe for me and for my reality. Now the thing is – awareness. When you become aware that this vehicle you’ve got is your vehicle – and doesn’t belong to another – then you can keep other things out of this vehicle by not letting them in.

Remember, they need you and they need your free will choice, to open the door and let them in. You open the door on drugs, well, and that groggy, that, the druggy feeling come over you and you enter other dimensions and you see things in other dimensions, you enter their world. They now have the right to reciprocal exchange of energy. They have a right to enter your world. Now you get taken over by these beings. You go and get on the piss [Ed note: Piss is an Australian slang term for beer], thank you very much. And all of a sudden your defenses are down. What takes place? These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.

Miranda: What about astral travel then? Does that, I know, I know it opens you up to all kinds of things but a lot of us do it, you know, when we sleep at night. Is that, something that allows things in too?

Steve: Let me just explain. Interesting scenario here, which I’ve discovered. And that is that working on thousands, I mean hundreds of thousands of clients I’d say over the forty‐odd years, I’ve found that when people drown and they’re resuscitated. When they’re drowned, their Spirit hops out. And when they resuscitate them, bring them back the Spirit jumps back in, I’ve found in every one of those people have had walk‐ins. In other words, opportunists, jump in when they’ve been out of their body. Because it’s been vacant possession. When you go out through astral projection your body is laying there, it’s a vacant vehicle. And, its like taking your vehicle down in the ghettos, and walking out and leaving it there with the doors open. What’s going to happen to it?

Miranda: Something will jump in, eventually.

Annalie:Steve you had a wonderful sort of command of your space story from the other day about the layers you put and I know in the group of sort of the survivors that have coalesced around Duncan and Miranda and people are always looking for protection and how to keep their Spirit, or even their soul, if they’re at that level, the sanctity theirs. And you talked the torus field as being a protective layer. Can you tell us a little bit more about that and how to command your space to keep these things out?

Steve: Okay, okay. Well, I’ll give you an example of something that took place, which will you give more of an example of how this works. And, I went to an Aboriginal community where the kids virtually run the town. And what happened on the first Saturday night nearly five‐hundred kids ran amok and they stole nearly everything, tents got broken in, they stole everything. Next year, Monday night a hundred and twenty kids arrive and run amok and they’re panicking now. They said, ‘oh my God, what’s Saturday night going to be like?’ So the woman that was running it was called Libby. So I said, ‘Libby, I want permission from you, from the council, from the elders, and from the organizers, to take over the metaphysics of your festival.’ The next morning, she came and she said, “they’ve all given you permission.” I said, ‘I thank you.’ I took a stick, and I drew a circle in the sand and said, ‘that is the torus field of your festival.’ When you created this festival there was no boundaries. Therefore, anything is allowed in and out. I then put one of my students on the table, I called in the entity of the festival.
Now what does the government say? A.B.N of entity, name of entity ‐‐over the companies. Because anything that is created is virtually a creation, which is an intelligence, which is an entity. I then sent it back to its creation, I put a boundary in it. The boundary was anything that enters this boundary of this festival will be taken out instantly. Saturday night came around, seventy kids turn up and not one bit of trouble. You could see the campfire in the hills where the entities wouldn’t bring the kids into the community because they knew they’d get taken out. I’d put up a boundary. Put a structure into place, in your reality. So the whole idea is that knowing that the field around you is your field. Knowing nothing is allowed to enter. It enters and it’s going to get dealt with real fast.

The moment you have to protect yourself, you have to put out and you have to start putting something outside of your reality you haven’t got it. You’ve got fear online. The moment you’ve got fear on line you’re going to attract them straight into you. It’s like putting a big blinker above your head and saying, ‘vacancy, vacancy. They’re going to zoom right in. It’s understanding that nothing can enter your space without permission. Stop giving them permission. Start acknowledging your Spirit. Listen to your Spirit. How many people listen to their Spirit? And they’re giving thanks to guides and Gods and everything outside their reality and not thanking the person that’s giving them all the information – their own Spirit? How would you feel, if you was a poor little old Spirit there and you’re trying to give the person all the right directions in life, and they’re thanking everybody else? And ignoring you?You’d kick your feet up and say, ‘okay, you want to run the show you run it. And when the manure hits the fan, you call me.’ [Ed note: As in the saying, ‘when the **** hits the fan.’]

Miranda: So just by being aware, and setting the intention, and being aware of your Spirit, and what the boundaries are, and what belongs to you and what’s your responsibility you can protect yourself from these things coming in?

Steve: By telling your Spirit, ‘this is my vehicle, Spirit don’t let anything in this vehicle, I do not invite anything in, do not let anything in the space of this vehicle.’ By laying out that, speaking to it, this is your field. Between you and your Spirit made that agreement, ‘thank you, nothing’s allowed in, if it gets in, it’s going to get dealt with.’ You may already have a lot of stuff in there, in other dimensions, in separate dimensions. There’re probably many layers of dimensions within you that’s let things in from the past. But when you stop feeding these things, it’s interesting, when you become aware and you want to make changes, and you decide to stop feeding these beings, then they’re not going to obtain energy. If they’re not going to obtain energy, they’re not going to get fed, they’ll have to starve, or find somewhere else to go to get fed. So eventually, they’re not going to hang around, are they?

Miranda: Right. I think that’s another really important thing.

Randy:Yea. Steve, you mentioned how in the terms of this festival you had gone to, to the elders of the community. It sounds like there are key linkages or key people that line up in terms of authority or being able to give permission in this area. How would you identify those people? Obviously here you have, what, a tribal council? So you’ve gone to the tribal council, they, in effect, have authority over this event and over the people who will or won’t enter into it.

Steve: Okay. If I decide to form a company, and I got together with two or three other people, their intent and their ego will create the entity at the structure of that company. That entity, once created, a body of intent of all three of that company, of their intent and their ego, will always be part of the entity that creates that company. It’ll never change.

When you go into community, they organized this festival. Therefore, they were the creator of this festival.Therefore, I’m entering the game of someone else’s creation. Therefore, I need the creator of that creation’s permission to activate that dimension. You can’t invade the space of another without authority, because the moment you enter the game of another, you violate lore. The moment you violate lore by entering into the game of another, it can be taken over by whatever’s in that game. This is why this is so important for people not to be playing around with other dimensions. There’s so many people that think they know what they’re doing and they have no idea what they’re doing. Now let’s go back, let me just explain some of the earlier cases.

Randy: That was really important what you just said there. Because I’ve encountered people on forums and chat rooms who are doing astral projection, and all kinds of spiritual travel, and when I’ve posted on groups and have said, ‘you have no idea what the hell you’re playing with here,’ I’ve been smacked down. This happened on probably Project Avalon forum or Project Camelot forum.

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[Hervé]

Steve:Let me explain a couple of cases. Very first time, when I started dealing with this, you know, one, in my early days, you know I was a pretty wild bugger as a young bloke, and I was riding bikes. And what took place was I rode over to a place and I’m waiting and waiting and waiting. And I’m waiting for this guy and, where is he? And they said, “he’s on the, he’s doing some automatic writing.” So I get him, walked in, walked up to the guy, said, ‘come on,’ hit him on the shoulder. I got picked up and thrown thirty feet through the air by an invisible force and landed on the couch. I land on the couch. I wasn’t afraid. I thought, ‘wow, okay, I get the hint, I’ll wait.’ I was fascinated what took place.

Well I didn’t understand in those early days what had taken place. Today, I realize, he had made an agreement with an entity to do automatic writing through him. I invaded its game, and it just threw me out of the game. Now, what takes place, when I started doing deeper into these areas here, I’m working with a guy and he’s watching what I’m doing and he thinks, “if you can do it I can do it.” Went out and tried it with his wife. A week later he comes home, can’t find his wife and daughter. He opens the cupboard, he finds his daughter in the cupboard with her throat slit. His wife didn’t even know she’d been taken over and done it. When she found out she went and committed suicide. That was the first I became experienced, began to understand what these forces can do.

I’m called in by an Aboriginal woman to head up to Cairns and up to Cooktown to work on a lot of suicides that are taking place. I arrive at six o’clock in the morning. Her son hangs himself at four o’clock in the morning. Another woman takes out the other, took out of the game. I get up to Cooktown, the daughter hangs herself, she’s still alive. I cut her down. We put her on the table, first thing comes up is the entity. And the first thing it says is, “you can’t have her, she’s mine. I’ll take her tomorrow, I’ll take her next week, she’s mine.” I said, ‘be buggered you will, we’ll have you out of here in five minutes, step aside, let’s find out where you came from.’ I enfolded space‐time, dealt with it, dealt with the entity, took him out, five years later she’s got three little kids and she’s doing great.

We’re dealing with forces that are real, and very powerful. And you’ve really got to understand what you’re dealing with. You play around with things you don’t know, you get taken over. Because remember, one of the laws: he who enters the game of another is subject to the laws of that game.

Annalie:How does this link to the invisible world of Spirit, when you were talking about the Fibonacci sequence and the pyramid and that, coming into the visible world of matter? And more and more we’re seeing these entities appear full‐fledged, full‐force, we’re seeing that.

How do we navigate this time that we’re in where those two worlds are really blending in ways that are… challenging?

Steve: Again, my thing is to understand who you are. Know who you are, know the fact that we are Spirits. You know I look at Aboriginal culture. And even today it’s still going on up in the Northern Territories where they’re still taking away kids from the families. The whole idea of the stolen generation was to stop the knowledge from coming down. In, in my reality, in my reality I know the Aboriginal culture was one of the most powerful spiritual cultures on the planet, or on the face of this Earth. How do you stop it? How do you stop the knowledge? The knowledge used to be passed from father to son ‐‐ this great knowledge? You take away their children. And you take away the children and the knowledge isn’t passed down. Instead, you’re programmed by the church in other realities. I go into communities today and they say, “we were evil before Jesus came.” I said, ‘rubbish. You know, you knew lore.’ And there’s a big difference. The programming and what the church has done to these communities today, has a lot to answer for.

Miranda: Yes.

Randy:Yea well the churches are simply part of a religious system, and when you’re talking about Christianity, and I can speak to this first‐hand. That was completely destroyed long before what we call the Roman Church. The, the, the teachings of Jesus were buried within a half‐century of the time that he left this planet. So, in, in effect religion was taken over, has taken over what would have been the proper role of spirituality. I’m going to follow‐up that with something that I noticed you talking about ‐‐ the Aboriginal people being the oldest, I guess, civilization, on the planet. And, do you believe that the Aboriginal people are our linkages back to more ancient civilizations such as Atlantis or Lemuria?

Steve: Well, interesting because I had an unusual case about a year ago. And, I was in Western Australia, and I was asked by the elders to clear Rottnest Island. Now, Rottnest Island was an Aboriginal prison island. They brought Aborigines from all over Western Australia they couldn’t handle and they stuck ‘em on this island. And, we went on the island, you know, I don’t get emotional, I’m a pretty solid sort of being, and the elders are saying this is man made where you stand, this line here is our island. The moment I stepped on the island, whoooa, I felt about three thousand of the Spirits hit me in overwhelm. And I had tears running down my face. And I said, ‘hold on, hold on slow down we’ll get to you in a minute, we’ll get to you in a minute.’ And, and we went and we cleared quite a number of things off the island. And, I had quite an interesting thing at a quarter‐past eight. I went to leave. The woman’s house I was staying in, her daughter, in a high‐rise unit in Perth, the TV shut down the phone shut down and the computer shut down at a quarter past eight. So, I automatically look at that and say, ‘all right, someone’s trying to get my attention.’ So the next day we went back to this unit. We went up there and I surrogated one of my students. I surrogate the building, I surrogate the area, and what came through was a tribe thousands of years old. And they said -- this is the exact words -- “an alien race interbred with us thousands of years ago. We want you to go back in time and change that so it can never happen in our future.” So we went back and we changed that dimension from ever happening in the future cycle.

But that wasn’t what shut down the computer. Then he said, “whoa, haven’t seen this one before.” I said, ‘what is it?’ He said, “It doesn’t have form,” he said, “it’s pure energy, but it’s conscious.” So I said, ‘I hereby command you: come forward, come forward now. Why’d you shut down the phone, TV, and the computer in this unit? And why’d you invade the unit and shut it down?’ “We didn’t.” I said, ‘yes you did. I want to know why’d you invade the unit, shut down the TV, the phone, the computer?’ “We were here first.” And then all of a sudden I got a flash. Oh my God. Every forty inches is a ley line. Ten stories up was their dimension that they live in. This unit’s come up ten stories up into their dimension. And they wanted them out of their dimension. So I said ‘well, how can I do that?’ And they said, “move the ley line.” So I moved the ley line out over a golf course and we had the student focus on it and moved the ley line. Instantly, in doing that we felt the energy change, they were content, happy, and, we left it at that. So there’s a whole range of other things in other dimensions out there that we are really still just learning.

Miranda: Steve is this something that you, I, I understand that you train other people to do this. Is this something that people could learn how to do? And go out and help people with this process – healing through holographic kinetics?

Steve:I’ve trained five‐hundred and twenty students and I’ve had people from now, twenty-two separate countries fly in after one session with students overseas. After one session feeling how powerful this is, they’ve flown in to learn this in this country – apart from New Zealand because I’ve been to New Zealand to teach. And now I haven’t been out of the country, but I have twenty‐two countries now with people in them that have been trained how to do this. Because there’s nothing like it out there.

Miranda:No, there really isn’t. And it’s so powerful and amazing, I just would love to see it more out there.

Annalie:Steve, now, aren’t you at the end of summer?

Steve:Sorry, say again.

Annalie:Aren’t you coming to the United States and Canada at the end of summer 2012?

Steve:I am attempting, I am attempting to do that in July/August. I’ll be possibly starting to organize all that pretty soon. Putting out the brochures and putting out the feelers to all the people in the internet, so I can get a group on the East Coast, West Coast and possibly someplace central, at this stage.

Randy:Hmmm, that’s very interesting.

Miranda:Isn’t it though.

Randy:I know what you’re thinking.

Miranda:Yep, I know.

Randy:I know what you’re thinking, yea.

Steve:One of the important things I find, I find that your government is the same as our government. We’ve written to our government, we’ve written to your government…

Randy:Absolutely.

Steve:We’ve written to the Minister of Defense here, about your soldiers, and our soldiers here are the same. We get letters back saying, “our psychiatrists know what they’re doing.” My question is, ‘if they know what they’re doing, what are they doing?’ Because they’re definitely not clearing these other forces that have taken over these soldiers.

Randy:No, no, no, no, they don’t know what they’re doing. I can tell you what they’re doing because I have a, I have a member of my immediate family who is PTSD. And, he has been in and out of VA hospitals repeatedly for over ten years, using their drugs ‐‐ the white man’s drugs ‐‐ using the white man’s psychiatry, and he crashes and burns regularly. And it’s just a repeating. He’s, he’s looping. He is literally what you described earlier in the show. And we know people like this on, on a number of different levels. But it seems like for service people, the care that they’re being provided is, is simply a way to sustain the living structure without ever doing what you’ve been talking about here for almost two hours – healing the Spirit.

Steve: Now here’s a shock for you. You know, I had a young lad, he’s only fifteen, his mother calls me up, he’s in one of the hospitals, mental health ward. I go up and work on the young lad, he’s an Aboriginal lad, worked with the young man and cleared up his issues. A week later the mother’s phoned me and says, “they want to put him on the psychotropic drugs.” I said, ‘you go back to the hospital and you ask the doctor why they want to put him on psychotropic drugs.’ Then she rings me and she said, “they said they believe he’s got voices in the head.’ Well I said, ‘you go back to your doctor and tell them he doesn’t have voices in the head, and if he does, I’ll deal with him culturally.’’ He doesn’t. So why’d they put him on drugs? The doctor said to her, “that’s what we do with ALL our patients.” Now I’ll tell you now, at the time he had no voices in the head. His mother emailed me a week ago, this boy is suicide, he had voices in the head because the psychotropic drugs will open wormholes to other dimensions and allow other forces in and they will have voices in the head now, and then they can justify putting him on more powerful drugs. Do you understand what’s going on out there?

Miranda: Yes.

Steve:And the question is, who’s running them?

Randy:Here in the United States they advertise anti‐depression and various psychotropic drugs that are being used to treat people with all kinds of disclaimers. And one of the disclaimers is that risk of suicide increases with the use of these drugs. So it appears as though they know that these drugs are interacting but they don’t understand, because they’re only dealing with the physiology. They’re not dealing, again, with the inner being at all. So, the physiologists, the doctors, the scientists, that concoct these, these drugs are simply again, dealing physiologically. They’re not dealing with the Spirit. And this is why you have a cycle, which ultimately leads to stronger drugs and the potential for suicide increases as the person goes through the so‐called ‘health‐care system’.

Miranda:They even give that to dogs here.

Steve: Yea, you take that one step level, 60 Minutes in Germany did a documentary on ‐‐‐ Lily, oh sorry, yea, on Eli Lily, they admitted that Zoloft and Prozac I think were the two drugs, multiply the suicide rate by five‐fold. Now I consulted, sorry, not consulted, I confronted, at a big public seminar here, one of the organizations that is pushing, promoting you know depression, and other things with all these drugs. And I said that, ‘the ninety percent of the Aboriginal kids that’ve committed suicide have been on drugs and medication.

Are you aware the drugs you’re pushing have side‐effects? And are you aware that side effects are suicidal tendencies?’ The head psychiatrist said, “yes, we are aware of that, but if they feel that way they should go back to their doctor and change their prescription.” And you know, you’re talking about somebody who is mentally unstable here and your top psychiatrist is saying they’ve gotta go back to their doctor and change their prescription.

That’s one. Now what took place was that, you know, I look at Suicide Prevention. And at Suicide Prevention, I confronted them last… Although I was awarded in 2005 Life Awards from Suicide Prevention, I was nominated for Human Rights Medal Award, I’ve been nominated for Australian of the Year. I confronted Suicide Prevention and I said, ‘where are the statistics of the amount of kids that have committed suicide on drugs and medication?’ “Oh, that’s in with overdoses of recreational drugs.” ‘Why?’ Cause their sponsors are pharmaceutical companies. Well I mean we’ve really gotta look at what’s going on out there en masse.

Annalie: How do these wormholes that are attached to these drugs, are they imprinting this through, like, radionics or some kind of ritual? I mean are they actually imprinting the drugs? Or how does that wormhole for these entities to come forth happen?

Steve: Okay, okay. One of the interesting things I look at here is you’ve got to understand how homeopathy works and osteopathic frequencies work. And, you know equal force against equal forces become null and void. Interesting. So, I look at this, Aboriginal culture says, ‘everything is alive.’ So, I had a woman that comes into me from Chile. Doesn’t speak good English. Her daughter said, “my mum can’t sleep, she’s on two lots of sleeping tablets and can’t sleep.” I said, ‘well that makes sense, she’s got two separate entities in there, they both need to keep her awake before she feeds them.’ Everything’s alive.

So what happens is for these drugs to be created they’ve got to have an intent behind their creation. The first is the law of intent and the law of agreement. So what is the intent in the creation of that drug and what’s its intent? It now becomes a life‐form that needs to survive like anything else. Therefore, an anti‐depressant means it has to keep you depressed so you’ll feed it. And when you feed it, it will make you no longer depressed. It got it’s food source, thank you very much. Another life‐form taking over the vehicle. Stunned.

Miranda: Wow. I had a question for you Steve. I actually just got an email from somebody who’s familiar with your work. And it reminded me to ask this, do you have, the people that you work with, do they sometimes feel a lot of interference or resistance or get a lot of attacks prior to coming to you because the entities know, sort of, that their end is near and try to keep the people away from achieving this healing solution?

Steve: Okay, well there’s two‐fold question you’ve got there. And I’ll go into two parts of it. First off, the moment you, whether becoming aware of it or not, the moment you want to make changes, and you want to be clear of whatever’s affecting you, just that intent is put out for these beings that are aware. And the moment that takes place, you’re going to come under attack. And the attack’s going to come from the closest people to you sometimes: you mother, your father, your brother, your sister, your husband, you wife, your friends, your neighbor – whoever they can get access to.

Randy:Oh yea.

Miranda: Mmm, hmm.

Steve: So …. they CAN drag you back in the game. Because nobody wants to be homeless.

Miranda:Well said. Thank you, that’s very helpful. And very true in our experience.

Annalie: And Miranda I can say I’m actually having a session done with a surrogate as soon as we finish this, interestingly enough timing‐wise, and I chose to go backpacking to get some space before this and just really tune into Spirit and wilderness is where I do that. And I can tell you one‐hundred percent, last night was a doozy, I’m in my tent, its pouring rain, I’m in the middle of nowhere, and I have weird stuff visiting me.

So yea, I definitely notice with my sessions there’s a beforehand period where I set out this intent, I decide I’m going to work on it, I kind of get antsy, and a little agitated, maybe some psychic attack stuff. And then I have the session, and then, because I’m doing this as a surrogate, from what I understand from Steve it’s much more powerful to do it in person and I hope to get that opportunity one day. But there’s this period between when the session happens which is its own sort of experience. And then before you get the transcript where you feel the lightening of whatever was cleared and you don’t know why it is but it feels great. And then you get the transcript and its just this incredible, ‘oh my gosh, I knew it was there, I told people it was there, it was speaking through me and they wouldn’t believe me,’ and now its on paper and I’ve got it and it’s done. And so it definitely kind of has this progression. And then there’s weeks and weeks of integrating and little piece by piece, and sometimes more attacks come up as I do that. But it’s made my life one‐hundred percent better.

And in terms of what we were just speaking of the psychiatry route. I mean I’ve been that route, I’ve been in mental institutions twice in my life – put there by family members who thought I was crazy when I was trying to tell them this. You know we, we all know that. And if we’re looking at cost‐effectiveness, and I bring this up only because we live in a stupidly materialistic… I mean the cost of what I’ve done with holographic kinetics has been point zero three percent of what I paid to try all this other stuff, most of it psychiatric stuff. I mean all the hospitalizations, all the meds, all the psychiatrists, throughout my lifetime. I’m thirty‐six now. That was like a hundred and forty thousand dollars US and I’ve paid, you know, way, way, way less than that. Like I said, point zero three percent of that, to actually get the work done that I needed to do so I could be me. And, you know, when I first contacted you I was a complete wreck. And I actually feel like I can live my life now. And it’s still an onion that unfolds but, you know, there’s so many people out there who are looking for something that works and I have just been sooo grateful. To Steve, thank you and thank the Aboriginal people and their Spirit that endured all this trauma and political machination that could have, you know, closed off the opportunity. But it’s just fantastic that these modalities are opening up again so that we can reclaim our dimension and reclaim our Spirit.

I’m just so grateful, Steve, for helping me get my life back.

Steve: Yea, no, that’s good. It’s very important I think when you have the actual physical session yourself. Because the thing is, you will be back in time seeing what you did physically, you’ll be there, you’ll be consciously aware of what you did to create this reality of yours, back in time. And it’s more impacting on you, to integrate between you and your Spirit of what you did in that back in time agreement to set this into play. Whereas with the surrogacy stuff, you’re not really experiencing it yourself by seeing and being there. And this is why I find it so important with people. I only ever let surrogacy stuff be done when people are, as I said, overseas. We can’t get to them.

If they can get to a practitioner then I, I’ll refuse to do surrogacy because I feel that it’s so important that they experience and understand their own creation to make changes to those dimensions of reality. You know some of the areas that we’re doing, getting to today. Well I’ve worked with some of the most violent men in the prison system, even the guards are scared of them, and I said to them, ‘give me the worst man you’ve got.’

So this guy, an example, two years old, his mother and father are alcoholics and drug addicts. He knew nothing but violence all his life because he was born under that dimension.

The moment we enfolded space‐time and cleared the dimension, change the dimension of time, created a new future dimension for him, instantly, the guy got up, you couldn’t believe how humble that man was with gratitude ‐‐ he didn’t want to be the way he was. He was stuck in time. You know I’ve worked in some of the mental institutions, in the prisons, where people are in there for murder with voices in the head.

Example here, I’ve got a, I’ve got a particular person, having an argument, hits the old man over the head with a saucepan, he drops dead. She panics because she’s been drinking alcohol, put out for help. The moment she put out for help the universal law of intent is activated. In came the brother, the sister and the old man, they’re all in there telling her what to do. I called them up one at a time, had them physically talking out of the body. I dealt with their trauma ‐‐ why they haven’t moved on – I released their trauma and removed them on. Next day, no more voices. Now she has been released because she’s not mentally insane anymore.

You know I go into areas where there’s been genocide in the past. And I bring all the Spirits through someone on the table, all the Spirits they tell me what took place in the genocide. I loop time, change time, take the trauma, change the past and present for the future, so it can never happen in the future cycles of time. Well each time we do this we’ve bettered the cycles of the future, for our future.

Randy: I have a question. In terms of, since you are located down under, and you have trained people to do this work, how would somebody find a practitioner near them that they could access?

Steve: Well when you say near them, where are they? Now if people email me and I’ve got somebody in the area that can, then, I’ll send them on to a practitioner. Or, as I said when I come over in a couple month’s time and train, I’m hoping we can get a group there that can actually work together to develop themselves as a group, as a central point, where people can come to them, and come have this work done. What, in terms of training, how long does it take you to train? The full training is seven days. And again, seven days is the tip of the iceberg. Remember I’m training at forty years of knowledge.

Everyone: Yea,

Steve: Seven days is the tip of the iceberg. It’s teaching you the basics. Then what I say is, stay with your group, practice – you get confidence in yourself in what we’re doing. Work with the people that come in around you, and work with your friends at first to get the confidence. Once you get the confidence, then take the next step and then start working with clients. I’ve already got a couple people over there that are working, you know, Massachusetts area. I’ve got a couple people over there. One young lad he had a surrogate session from Robyn and Mark recently. And so impressed with it, he flew out and did my course recently. And he’s flown back to America. I’ve had people fly in from America, from Canada, from, you know, well, England and all around the world at times to learn this, and take back to their countries. Because as I said, it is unique, it is a way. You know, the past is our future. And we have to start remembering the past.

Randy: Boy. That completely, completely seals some things that I’ve suspected for a long time. Even just in an abstract, you’ve, you’ve tied together some concepts here. And for the people who listen to this, you’re going to have to go back and listen, I think this is a show where you have to listen carefully and listen with your heart. Because the, I’m less the interviewer on this show than I probably am the audience. And that’s okay. I’m gob smacked as they say. Anybody else have any other questions or things that you want to bring up with Steve before we go off the call tonight?

Duncan:Only if you want to stay on ‘til midnight.

Randy: Well okay, speak up there, Mr. O’Finioan. Please.

Duncan: No, I’m just, I’m just playing student right now man. This is enlightening.

Steve: Can I give you just, I’ll give you an unusual case to show the difference between the Spirit and the soul. And I went to New Zealand and this lady brought her young three year old daughter to me. And the little three year‐old daughter, she’s never spoken and she’s never eaten. And they’ve got tubes sticking out of her stomach and they’re feeding her through tubes. And she’s got a bit of autism and the mother says, “look, can you help my daughter.” I says, ‘well I really don’t know, I never know the outcome of anything,’ I said, ‘but, hop on the table.’ So I cleared the mother and I surrogated the little girl into the mother. And then through the Spirit, speaking through the mother, when I’ve finished I surrogated her back. Mother rang me two days later and said, “look, the special school has noticed changes, the osteopath noticed changes and I’ve noticed changes. Can I get another session before you leave New Zealand?” And, and instantly Spirit said to me, “bring in the father.” So I said, ‘bring in the father.’

So the father came in, I put him on the table. I surrogate the little girl into the father. Now I said, ‘first off Spirit, I want to know why the soul of the vehicle through time had the throat/chest problems.’ It went back to the great‐great grandfather with tuberculosis. So I cleared that dimension first off, from affecting the physical vehicle. ‘Now Spirit, I want to know why’d you come into this vehicle that couldn’t communicate?’ “Twenty year‐old, female.” ‘Thank you. And what happened?’ “I’ve just just stabbed my grandfather in the throat.” ‘Thank you. What for?’ “Because he raped me and was sexually abusing me.” ‘Thank you.’ That instantly tells me I’ve got reciprocal exchange of energy. That instantly tells me I’ve got the Spirit of the grandfather in here and he’s been stabbed in the throat. I had to bring him up, enfold space‐time, change the past and the present for the future and release him. I had to bring her through, change the past and the present for the future, put her back into her body. Two days later the Mother’s ringing me, she’s eating, speaking for the first time.

Miranda: Incredible.

Steve:That was due to both the soul and the Spirit integrating.

Miranda: I’m sure you must have a lot of stories like that with how many people you’ve worked on.

Steve: Thousands. Thousands of unusual cases.

Miranda:It just makes me a little bit angry that something this incredible and powerful has been so suppressed for so long. This, this knowledge could’ve helped so many people.

Steve:Well now listen I’ve been battling the government for ten years to try and get this in. And I’m not kidding. I’ve met so many ‘buck passes’ in my life. You know, I’ll talk to someone on the line and get ‘buck passed’ to someone else and you know, they don’t want to make changes to anything ‐‐ especially things that work. [Ed note: As in the phrase ‘pass the buck.’]

Randy:Well, they don’t have any investment in what you’re doing. This world is based on a monetary system and the medical system is based on that same model of basically sustaining people, enabling them to cope, feeding them drugs, feeding them bull**** long enough that they can harvest money from them. And then, as I said last week on another radio show, people just roll up and die on cue. I mean this is not a system of life, this is a system of death.

So you’re dealing on the highest level with exactly what you’ve been talking about. All of this harvesting of Spirits and souls that have gone on, this is all a system of death.

Steve: And the question is, as I said in the very beginning, who’s running the game? And it’s not of this dimension. It’s beings that are being run by the dimensions at that highest level that are in positions right throughout the whole structure.

Miranda: Yea, the top of the food chain is not human.

Steve: That’s right. And I believe those at the top, at times I believe that their Spirit is aware of what’s taking place. I believe a lot of those in the top positions are very scared of what takes place, because they’re in the game of another. And they don’t know how to control the game.

Duncan:Maybe we can figure out how to do that.

Miranda:Yea.

Steve: Well that’s the whole idea is, when you enter the game of another, you’re subject to the laws of the game. You know you’ve got all these positions, these people, that have gone in through these secret societies, and though initiation rituals. The first low level is the very low‐level apprentices. Next degree a more powerful entity, next degree a more powerful entity, next degree a more powerful entity, by the time they’re twenty, twenty‐five degrees, they’re thoughts and actions are being manipulated. They’ll justify why they do what they do, but, it’s not their thoughts. Well they get to thirty, thirty‐three degrees at the highest level, no one’s home. They’ve been totally taken over at the highest level by these beings. They’re running at the highest level. And them running under those, those are the born rights, they’re also taking the vehicles under that.

Duncan: I can, I can absolutely attest to what you’ve said. I’ve seen it too many times.

Randy: Yea me too. Yea that’s kind of the story of my family.

Steve: And these beings can be cleared. The whole idea is the fact that man has forgotten how powerful he is as a Spirit. And he has to get back to understanding who he is and what he is. And believe in himself again. And, and casting out, getting rid of these things that have been running him and manipulating him at the higher level. Not being in their game, create…

Look, I’m just going to show you a real interesting thing that happened last year. I’m dropping a young bloke off at school. I turn the radio on. On the radio it says, “a semi, a ute [Australian term for a pickup truck type of vehicle] and a car have had an accident on the Nerang Bridge. Traffic is blocked back to Helensvale.” As I come up to Helensvale as far as I can see is bumper‐to‐bumper traffic. I says, ‘Spirit, this is ridiculous, all right, clear the traffic, and clear it now, I have to get him to school.’ Next minute traffic thins out, I’m doing a hundred down the highway, no, hardly any traffic around me. I get to Nerang, no accident, I turn left, drop him off at Merrimac School, I come back down the highway, I turn right, and here you are where I just come from is the semi, the ute and a car, traffic blocked back to Helensvale. I just create an alternate reality. How many times do you do that without even knowing it? We don’t have to be in the reality of another.

Remember the dream, and you wake from the dream, and in that dream you can manifest anything into that dream. And when you die and move on next, this will only be a dream. If we can manifest in this dream, what you want. We have forgotten how to manifest realities. You know when I was a little boy, my Mother, I’d always remember she said, “don’t trust the government,” she said, “don’t trust the banks. If you want anything in life don’t expect anybody to give it. You’ve got to learn to manifest.” And I learned to manifest. I’ve manifested many things in my life by understanding how to do it, which is the old cultural way of manifesting. We all have the ability. But most have forgotten.

Miranda: That is incredibly empowering information. I think that, I know that this can help a lot of people who are looking for answers. And who understand that they do have a lot of power, but maybe not how to access it.

Annalie: Well, and clear out, clear out the junk so you can remember.

Steve: Exactly. Because, because remember, all the stuff that you’ve taken on externally from you, was not your stuff in the first place. You’ve taken on all these programs in your cells, and all the cells, they see, they need to survive, they need to survive because they’re alive. And everything has a right to life. So therefore, they’re using you for their survival. Eventually they try and take over you, so eventually they take over the whole vehicle. Because one of the important things, that’s the most powerful force will always succumb the weaker force.

So whatever you’ve got inside of you, that you’ve let in, whether they be thought forms, whether they be life‐forms, whether they be other beings from other dimensions, or they just be cellular‐memory that you’ve locked into your self through the food you’re eating.

The most powerful is always going to succumb you, and take over. Until we become aware of the fact that, ‘okay, is this really what I want or do I want to make changes to my life, and take back control of me?’ And the moment we make that decision, then we have the right to start making changes.

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[Hervé]

Randy:And this even comes down at one level, to what we’re physically taking into our bodies. This is why they’re genetically modifying food, isn’t it?

Steve: That’s correct. And the water. I mean listen here, our country recently, our country’s got a plague right now – it’s all these old people, Alzheimer’s going through the roof. Well then hang on, hang on, Alzheimer’s going down through the roof, and you’re putting fluoride in our water? Let’s go back, what’s flouride used in concentration camps for? To dumb and numb the prisoners. And they put it in our water? So we could get dumb and numb. And then you complaining because all of a sudden there’s old people coming down with Alzheimer’s disease? A bit of common sense here. What’s going on?

Miranda: And the vaccinations, and the chemtrails, and the schooling system, just the list goes on and on.

Steve:Now, with the chemtrails, there’s interesting things. What I’ve found, what I’ve found that takes place is that everything in this universe, is alive. Whether it be the tree, whether it be a blade of grass. You know I can bring in a tree into you and have the tree physically talking out of you. People say, “how can you bring a tree and have a tree talking out of somebody?”

Hey look, watch this, you got a semi and you got a Mini. So, just say one of you is driving the semi and the other one hops into, say, a little Mini Minor. Get a set of lights and you drag. Okay. The Mini’s designed to get in and out of the traffic real fast. The semi’s designed to pull a forty‐ton load. So, its pulling this forty‐ton load down along the road, you get to the next set of lights, swap drivers. Now you’re in the semi pulling the forty‐ton load and now the person’s in the Mini. Off again. The vehicle is designed for one thing. Your body was designed to speak to me in English. If I bring up someone from another culture into your body, their Spirit will talk to me out of your physical body in English. If I bring the Spirit of an animal into you, it’ll speak to me in English. If I bring a tree into you, the Spirit’ll talk to me in English, out of the vehicle, because the vehicle is designed to speak to me in English. And we can surrogate anything in this world in because anything that is alive has a life‐form. And when the life‐form leaves, its called ‘dead.’

Miranda: So we could also, with working with the trees and the environment, this has the potential to heal our physical spaces too, right?

Steve:Oh definitely, definitely. I mean I got a, I brought some trees in and I mean back as I said on, when I was asked to clear Rottnest Island. We had a great big ol’ oak tree and I went past the oak tree and I felt, whoa, I felt the tree was trying to tell me something. So I said don’t say anything, I said just leave it with me. And one of the elders said, “yea, young guy died ‐‐?‐‐ that.” I said, ‘I’m not worried about that, it’s something else, something else, it’s got trauma.’ So it wasn’t ‘til the end and I surrogate the tree into one of my students. And what the tree said was, “they, they hung a young lad off me to use him as an example.” And the tree had trauma because it was used to hang this young lad. And the tree had the trauma in it from over a hundred years ago. ‘Till we enfolded space‐time, bring out the trauma. I had another case with a tree, I was in another one of the Aboriginal communities, there’s this great big ol’ tree. And I thought, ‘by God, I’ll bet it’s seen a lot in it’s time.’ I said, ‘tell me,’ I surrogated the tree into one of my students, I said, ‘have you ever seen anything in the last hundred and fifty years detrimental?’ It said, “yes, eighty years ago, two men on horses came riding through and started shooting the Aborigines indiscriminately. Never seen anything like that before, never seen anything like that before. That really upset me,” it said. So I blew the dimension, changed the dimension, and it healed itself up and it said, “when they put the bolt in me, that hurt.” So I cleared that. Then we went around to have a look at the tree to have a look for these bolts, I said, ‘where the hell is the bolts?’ And one of the students said, “hey look there, up in the tree.” And here up the tree is a great big branch, about fifty feet up the tree. And every eighteen inches, was a six‐inch bolt. Now we didn’t know ‘til the tree told us it was in there.

Everything’s alive. How can we ever have anything acknowledge us if we don’t acknowledge it?

Everything’s alive. And that’s where we go back to the drugs. When these drugs are created there’s an intent in the creation of those drugs, and they’re alive. They need to survive like everything else. Because, they are, they are, atoms with memory stored in them. But what I’ve found is when you hit something where there’s equal force, crumbles null and void.

Miranda:All of this makes a lot of sense. All of this, although it may, some of the math may seem complex, the Fibonacci stuff and the numbers and all that. It really comes down to very simple truths that, that we’ve forgotten. That have, we’ve just, that at another time when we were more awake and more connected with ourselves and not so burdened with all these hitchhikers ‐‐ we knew. And just like you said, we forgot. And it’s time to remember. This time in particular it’s important to remember.

Steve: Okay, you just, you just said something that was triggered off, which I’ve just got to finish mentioning. And that was, remember before, I said the one is the singular, and the two is the duality. When duality integrate, it creates a triangle, which is the three. We speak and it starts the four ‐‐ first form of matter. Call something in, put the roof on the house, it’s interesting they draw the house with the square with the roof on it, but the five‐sides a pentagram. You’ve called something in from another dimension. That’s the five. Six represents entrapment, for now it entraps itself into you. Seven represents the change. Eight, it set itself up to repeat itself over and over ‐‐ there you got stuck in time. Nine releases it. Which takes three‐hundred‐sixty degrees completion of that dimension, and you’re in a clear other dimension of reality.

Annalie: That’s a whole new way to count.

Miranda:Yea. Wow.

Annalie:It makes sense though. A lot.

Miranda:It does.

Annalie:The six, that’s the entrapment, and how that number is used.

Steve: Seven represents the change. This is why, this is why, watch this, you know, and, and all you Christians out there, I’m sorry about this, but the fact is, when you’re baptized it’s a ritual. When you’re seven, it’s the first change, so you dress in a bridal gown, and you’re married to these beings through the common union, known as communion. And when it’s the next seven years it’s fourteen ‐‐ that’s the time of the free‐will choice. Now the free will and choice, they get you to confirm yourself to them, through confirmation. The biggest killer in our world is religion run by Draconians. It’s in the ritual.

Randy: Yep. That’s actually interesting what you just said about the age fourteen. That free‐will choice can be impeded, or it can be allowed to develop on its own. Would it…?

Steve: This is.. Yea. And this is also why the church used to say, “give me a boy before eight,” in other words, from eight years‐old to fourteen, “and I’ll give you a boy of God for life” ‐‐ because they can be programmed. In Sudan they take children, they program them to be programmed into boy‐soldiers. From the time of eight to fourteen is the programming time ‐‐ when the physical soul can be programmed to believe the program is the normal way of life. Therefore it believes killing is normal. Now secret societies, they start the ritual stuff usually from seven years‐old, seven, eight years‐old, to fourteen. There’s the ritual, the sacrifices. Where you’re now being programmed once more upon the soul.

Randy: And this goes into why there’s pedophilia in churches as well.

Steve: That’s correct. But then again, then again, you know I hear them say, “you know nothing can help a pedophile.” Well again, rubbish. I’ve worked on a number of them. They’ve been in prison system. And a lot of these times you find that, you know, they’re guys that’re stuck in their first sexual experience as a child, and they’re stuck in time. Never moved on. When you enfold it, what took place at that age, and you change the dimension ‐‐ clear it ‐‐ they’re no longer stuck in that dimension of time. Anything can be changed.

Randy: That was actually one of the questions I was going to ask you and you answered it. Thank you. Because, I think we’ve got a lot of victims out there right now who don’t believe that they can ever climb out of the hell that was created FOR them, by things that happened TO them. And, this is really critical stuff. I, I’m sitting here, I feel so unprofessional, but I’m like, throw that out the window, because I’m just completely blown away by, by the scope of what you’ve just talked about. And we, we will talk again, definitely. And beyond that, I’d like to hope at some point, we can find a way to make it happen that, you know, we can meet with you and begin doing some training. Because, sitting here listening to this I got a vision.

And, the vision is that you need people to take this out into the world right now. Almost everything else that I know of either works limitedly or doesn’t work at all, or it masks the symptoms. And this works.

Steve:Well here, it covers so many areas see. Look we haven’t even tipped on the iceberg. What we talked about today was only the tip of the iceberg. There’re so many areas we’re getting to, I mean, you know, I’ll give you, give you an example here. Like some of the self mutilation stuff that’s been going on. You know, I’ve got a client here, she’d been self mutilating herself. We go to the cause, the effect and straight back to India. ‘Thank you. And what’s happened?’ “I’ve just given birth to a little girl back in a past life.” ‘Thank you. And what’s happened?’ “Little girls are useless.” ‘Thank you. And what’s happened?’ “My husband’s annoyed.” ‘Thank you. And what’s happened?’ “He stabbed me to death for giving birth to my, to a girl, not a boy. I admit I did the wrong thing by giving birth to a girl not a boy. But I can’t forgive myself because I know he’s going to kill my daughter and I haven’t saved her.” She’s still stuck in time punishing herself for not saving her daughter, by stabbing herself. The moment we went to that dimension, looked at and cleared it, instantly, the self‐mutilation stopped.

I have people with psoriasis. We go back in the past and they’ve been burnt at the stake. Skin’s dripping off their body. The last trauma was remembering their skin boiling, dripping off their body. Whatever trauma took place around death will still be online. Any trauma that took place around the death has never been cleared. It will just activate itself in this life. And once it does, it’s activated as if it happened yesterday, you’re back online again with the same trauma, until that trauma has been cleared.

Look, let’s go back. Let’s go back to the Inquisition. Why in the Inquisition did they torture you before they kill you? Because they’re going to kill you anyway? They did it to get you to submit. That gives them access to the soul in the future.

Miranda: THAT is SO key. I mean everything goes back to trauma. Now we understand, on a much deeper level, why trauma has been used so much for all of this stuff. It’s not just to be mean, it’s not just because they’re evil, it’s because they know that gives them access not only in this lifetime, but when you come around for another lifetime, you’re already theirs on a certain level. They know what the power of trauma.

Steve: Yes. And they’re called the born‐rights. They have the born‐rights to your vehicle.

Miranda:Wow.

Steve:I mean I had, that’s the last time my partner will ever do any surrogacy work with me. I had a guy in the prison system. And I brought him through and we had a battle‐and‐a-half going on the table and this thing, you know, it has the born‐rights. I went back and his father was in a secret society at a high‐up level, and he’d been the first‐born child and had the born‐rights to the vehicle. So the moment the Spirit entered, it came in. And this thing, it’s battling me, it’s a battle‐and‐a‐half on the table going on, ‘cause it, it was determined, it had born‐rights. So I took him back, I looped time, changed time, changed what the father did so it was that he never took place in that agreement, and finally went in and took him out. And gave the guy back control and was freed from him. But, on the table, it was so traumatic, for my partner because this thing was battling and throwing her everywhere.

And she didn’t want to, and because she’s not coming from that space you see, so, you know, I mean. Last time we did that.

So now I just pass on my surrogacy to Robyn and Mark because I don’t have time to do it anymore. And Mark’s a fabulous little surrogate. He’s fabulous. I got another one in Western Australia, that’s a good surrogate too.

And, uh, now some students are really good at it. But one of the things is, got to always remember: the variables. And the variables here are: how much is the practitioner’s belief an assumption? How much does the practitioner on the table believe in assumptions? How much is inter‐dimensional interference talking out of the body? How much are life‐forms talking out the body? You’ve got all these variables you’ve got to put together, and this is why it’s so important with my students down the track.

When I teach them but down the track, the ones that experience down the track, to have taken that level of awareness to understand you must always be at point zero. Have absolutely NO preconceived ideas where we’re going or what’s going to take place with any session. Point zero. Just let your Spirit take you where we need to go to, because it’s right every time. It knows where we need to go to. And we keep our head‐space totally out of this. That’s so important. Because too many people are trying to bring in their head‐space or assumptions and their beliefs.

Quite often on the table, I’ll say to people, whoa, whoa, stop. Get out of that, that’s your head‐space. Whoa, hang on, that’s your soul, I acknowledge that, get out of the soul, be in the Spirit. And other times lots of life‐forms come out and they try to justify why they should exist. The drugs are really good. They often state that they’re spiritually aware they’s a life form trying to justify its existence in the being.

Miranda: So it seems that neutrality is very important when doing this work. To not have any baggage or to really just stay level.

Steve: At point zero. Point zero. Point zero, you are the observer of the game at point zero. You’re not entering the game, you’re an observer of the game. Understanding the game, you observe all the games around you – as an observer. But you don’t enter the game. Anybody can be an observer to a game, but do not enter the game. The moment you enter the game, you participate in the game.

Annalie: Can I ask what you do with the entities when you clear them? Like, where do you send these winged‐serpents and stuff that come out of me?

Steve: Okay, okay. Okay to understand that, it’s understand the game, how to control the game. Now once they’re trapped in my game, in my reality, I give them choices. I read them rights. Everything in life has a right to exist and continue existing, but it doesn’t have the right to invade another being. If it accepts the terms and conditions to the right, that’s a valid agreement.
Remember the first law is the law of intent and the second’s the law of agreement, which is valid through time and space for eternity. If he agrees, then I let him go as an observer to the game. To observe and to grow and to learn and to evolve. If he doesn’t agree, I lock him in another dimension of time, where he can’t get out of the dimension. He can’t interfere with this dimension now, he’s in another dimension, he’s trapped in his own little dimension.

You see, here’s an example: I was down in Melbourne. Eleven o’clock at night. Knock, knock, knock. I open the door, some guy there, “please, please, I need a session, I need a session, I’ve got an entity wants to thrash the place, smash the place, thrash everything to pieces, please, please, please.” I said, ‘you got rocks in your head. I don’t work at night. Come back at eleven o’clock tomorrow.’ “Please, please, can we just break the agreement?” So I said, ‘ah well, let’s go ahead and break the agreement.’ So I went and broke the agreement. Three o’clock in the morning I heard ‘smash.’ And I thought, ‘what’s that waking me out of bed?’ I get up the next morning and the motel door next to me has been kicked in, the motel next door to me had been thrashed. TV’s on the floor, you know the bed’s tipped upside-down.
Clothes everywhere. The guy’s wallet’s there, his phone’s there but smack in the middle of the room was a chair with a plastic bag full of drugs. When I broke the agreement, never cleared it correctly, it jumped straight through the wall, into the guy next door on drugs and jumped into him. Two days later they found him walking naked downtown. It’s so important to clear correctly. That was a learned lesson for me.

Miranda:Well ‘cause like you said, some of these entities are incredibly violent and you know, have a lot of power. So I can see where that would be important.

Steve: Well look, I, I’ve had bodies on the table over the years that have been turned into contortions that were impossible for a human body to do. I’ve had bodies, I’m hanging on to them, and my arms are stretched above my head, full‐length, with bodies being thrown into somersaults in the air, I’m still hanging on to them, you know? Look the things that have come through on the ‐‐ I’ve had four massage tables broken in half by these beings over the years. Look some of the big boys that don’t want to leave ‐‐ big, strong and powerful. But the reality is, they’re stuck in my game. I’ve had so many clients say to me on the table, ‘this thing wanted to smash you in the face.’ But it couldn’t get through the energy. It’s knowing how to control the game.

Now I teach my students how to control the game. You have what I call controlled conditions and uncontrolled conditions. We always use controlled conditions. Uncontrolled means that if [you’re] not controlled, then you can’t take on what is gonna come through. It must be controlled at all times. That’s why you’ve gotta know what you’re doing. This is why it’s, to me… I’m not interested in teaching seminar junkies, that’s for sure. You know, they’re a dime‐a‐dozen. I’m into teaching people that really want to understand what we’re dealing with and how to deal with this correctly. Because this is stuff that HAS to be dealt with correctly.

Randy: I think you’re speaking our language here.

Annalie:The part about the interference jumping…I know you probably want to round up here Randy, but I just, that just was so important because I’ve seen this happen. I was doing the holographic kinetics technique but I had a friend who, you know a lot of us have looked at our astrological charts, and have, you know, wanted to explore what was there to understand the programming aspects. So I brought someone in ‐‐ to my actual house ‐‐ who was supposedly an expert in this, expert in tarot, and I had that interference jumping. And I discussed this with Steve because five weeks after that, what happened was we had a paranormal event in the house, the basement shook, the upper part of the house shook, the attic shook. It was as though a shockwave came through.

And it ended up later on in a session coming out that his interference, which was Sirian Greys, jumped straight into me. And as soon as I accepted something that he was pushing on me, as soon as I kind of agreed to it, he said, “oh well you’re falling into the victim/rescuer/persecutor triangle again,” and I said, ‘yea, well, I guess so.’ As soon as I agreed to that, that’s when it jumped, this shockwave hit. And this is why I think it’s so important that we get some folks, especially in this country when all this weird stuff is happening ‐‐ and I know its happening all over ‐‐ who can really do this the right way. Because there’s lots of folks out there who say they’re good at astrology, they’re good at tarot, and then next thing you know you end up with like five more problems than you had before.

And this is where Steve’s technique feels so right and has really helped me undo some of the damage that these other alternative practitioners out there who, you know, they’re doing hypnotherapy and they’re not using a protected environment. They’re just letting these entities straight in. And we need to, you know we need to ask the original ones, ‘how does this thing work?’ Because we have forgotten the rules of the game, you know we’ve forgotten the lore, and someone else was driving the bus so much. So I just wanted to point that out that that’s why, you know we really need to focus on getting the RIGHT tools to do this kind of clearing.

Miranda: I can totally second that Annalie, I can totally second that. Because we, you know, like you said, the insanity is definitely picking up with a lot of this paranormal stuff happening. And we work with people who have gone to shamans for help. And the shamans have been, had entities in them, and then entrapped these people. So, it’s… and people don’t know how to navigate that morass, which it’s become in a lot of ways. Not all across the boards. So I, I hear ya. This, what I really, really like about this is, it, it’s not any of that. It’s just very healing and positive and solution‐based.

Steve:Can I just explain something that you said earlier there? And when you talked about the explosion, your spill on that, not, not meaning to disrespect you, but was an assumption of where you assumed it to be coming from. What I’ve found has taken place is that, we’ve had, I’ve had, seventeen explosions, my students had explosions take place. And I mean some of them have been huge. Like we’d thought the house next door had had a gas bottle explode, it was that loud. Wasn’t a gas bottle, just massive explosion took place.

And what I’ve found is that when we start clearing things hundreds of thousands of years ago, it actually creates a vortex through time up in the present day. And three, four hours, five hours later sometimes you get this mass explosion taking place in the atmosphere as time actually catches up with itself. So what could take place is the fact that, what may’ve taken place is a time loop catching up on itself, from an event, from one of the sessions, which they may have cleared stuff thousands of years ago.

Annalie: Yea, I have a lot to learn, goodness knows.

Steve:Oh it’s been one of those things that I haven’t been able to put my finger on what happens. But, I’ve had seventeen, and I’ve had other students have the same thing and report it back to me. And the only thing I can look at is time itself, when it goes back and changes itself, it has to come forward through time, through the vortex of time. So it must be creating a vacuum, catching up on itself through the vacuum.

Randy: Okay, I’m, I’m still wrapping my mind around this, I’m going into, like, visualizing this and that’s really fairly amazing. Gosh, I’m speechless. That’s not supposed to happen. Let’s go one more round. If anybody has anything else they want to comment on, question about or, do a follow‐up question on, go ahead. And then I think we’ll wrap this call for now.

Don’t all speak at once.

Duncan: Okay. I, uh, hm yea, where to start? Where to finish? I agree. I think we need to start doing some planning and make some things happen. I think we can do that.

Steve:Can I just explain something else that’s going on out there too?

Randy:Sure, sure, yea, please.

Steve: And, this is, a lot of the anger that’s taken place in time. You know you in America, just like here in this country, I mean in this country, you go back a hundred years ago and you could go and get what was known as an Aboriginal hunting license. And you go out for a quota for a weekend and shoot three or four Aborigines if you wanted. Now what takes place, the Spirit of those Aborigines, because you’ve killed them, they’re full of anger, they jump in the body, of that particular person.
Now the way the universe works is that, you know these men in the past, these white men, in, white bodies, had an issue with black bodies. So they had to come back now, reincarnate into a black body. So then they reincarnate in a black body. But what takes place is they’ve still got those Spirits attached to them that’re full of anger because that trauma was as if it just happened two minutes ago. So what takes place is when these guys go and drink alcohol, and their defenses are down, these Spirits can take over. And they can make you pick a fight with somebody and get your head bashed in, thank you very much. But hang on, you’re not drinking alcohol. And there you’re not drinking alcohol, but you let someone into your field, into your game that’s drinking alcohol. Those Spirits, once they enter the game, can jump into that other person, use that body to bash the daylights out of you, thank you very much. Because that trauma has never been cleared from either party. Now, in your own country, you had civil war. You had wars. You’re going to have trauma of other species, other Spirits there, still stuck in time, in the field of other people.
That needs to be cleared. There’s a thought.

Miranda:I think we’ve got our work cut out for us.

Duncan:Yea.

Randy:I also think, I also think we’ve been given some magnificent tools and some things to think about as well. Steve, I can’t thank you enough for coming on, being generous with your time. And you’re freely giving away very valuable information and giving us hope that we can begin to roll back the trauma and violence that people suffered for thousands and thousands of years. Annalie, you kind of pulled this thing together in a lot of ways. You have been very much the co‐host on this show tonight and I want to thank you. Duncan and Miranda, what can I say? Gosh we have a lot to talk about and we will do that. One more time, Steve, your website and anything that you’d like to close with, for this, for this call?

Steve: Yea, well people can go to my website www.holographickinetics.net and you go have a look around at some unusual cases in there, because I only put unusual ones in there. Now that’s only the tip of the iceberg of what we’re doing. And also when I’m coming to the States, I will put in the future seminars, where and when that’s going to be. But if anyone wants to email me, again, holographickinetics@bigpond.com, then they can. And, we’ll go from there.

Randy: Now we’ll put this information out when we put the show up on the website as well.

We’ll give the contact information and the website. And I think that’s going to close it out for this time, my head is reeling. And always, we close the show out by saying, ‘the truth is out there, it’s inside you.’ And I think this show proves that point more than I can imagine right now. I’m Randy Maugans, this is Off‐Planet Radio.

END OF INTERVIEW

[Hervé]

Following the interview, Annalie posted how a remote HK session takes place:

Inside a Holographic Kinetics Session

As promised, here is the first of my HK sessions. I will probably post one other one, so you can see the progression between two sessions. Before posting the entire transcript, I will explain some things about how the sessions are done, the phases of the ‘work’, and also do some deciphering of the HK terminology, as best I am able to do at this time. I am not (YET) a practitioner myself, only someone who has been utilizing the technique via a surrogate since January, for a total of 4 sessions directly for me and two for my children, which cleared out massive genetic stuff from our lineage and thus affected me as well.


Phases of the Work

Pre Session
The session ‘begins’ when one states the INTENT to do the work, to clear out the problems, to let one’s own spirit shine through. As soon as one sets this intent, any internal interference knows about it, so it’s not uncommon to get some ‘defragging’ from this even beforehand. For me this included some negative energies on the part of my family directed at me, resentment from them, and within me feelings of anxiety, restlessness and even physical illness symptoms including a terrible respiratory infection, massive asthma attacks and also an ear infection which required antibiotics, something I have not experienced since I was a child, but was a regular artifact of my young life. All this, I understand now, was due to the entities pulling ride-alongs in my body and also interfering with me externally getting ansy about their gig being up.

I compiled a list of issues that were bothering me (this first one was NOT a short list!) and detailed my physical symptoms, medications I was on, etc. It is important to refrain from taking any alcohol or recreational drugs during and for a period of at least a few days after a session. Even pharmaceutical meds should be used with great caution. ALL of these substances make entity attachments (or reattachments) possible and even probable, as in the case of most psychopharmaceutical drugs (which I have not taken for years as I realized they made things worse, but I can attest to this from personal experience in the past).

The Session
Because I am not in Australia and do not currently live near any HK practitioners who have trained with Steve, I had my sessions done with a surrogate. One practitioner surrogates my spirit through his body (so my spirit can speak through his vehicle and report what it’s seeing in the dreamtime through him). Another practitioner helps with the clearing, asks spirit questions, helps clarify detrimental beliefs that may be holding the traumatic events in time in loopback, reactivating them in the current lifetime, etc. She deals with any entities that surface, offering them choices, reading them their rights, sending them to their own dimension of time to experience what they have been doing to people, etc. The sequences of the session go through asking the spirit to tell the practitioner how old it is, where it is, the emotion present, and what it is seeing in the place in time it was sent to look at to do the relevant work.

Entities
Some of the entities which surface in the sessions I am sharing publically include Sirian greys, Pleiadeans (not so benevolent as the new age would have you believe!) winged serpents (which are a variation of Draco reptilians), full blow Dracos w/ wings high in the reptilian hierarchy, little greys, and various thought forms and genetic clusters that have become living entities. To understand the thought forms, these things go from an INTENT at their creation, to a thought form, to a life form, to a full blown entity, the more it is ‘fed’ through time. As everything has a right to life, these entities will justify their own existence and whatever they are doing to survive (feed on energy) even if it is detrimental to another spirit. These entities need to be sent to dimensions of time where they can understand/experience what they are doing to others, and then once returned to the dimension of time where the practitioner is in charge of the situation (they work in CONTROLLED environments) then they can be offered choices, and apparently usually opt to change and choose their own sanity and wholeness. Invariably many of these entities are controlled by other more powerful entities that hold them locked within this predatory relationship, and they are often (not always, especially the winged serpents are very nasty as a rule) glad to be free and go to their own dimension of time where they can be. To be clear, all of the above information is coming DIRECTLY from my conversations with Steve about this stuff, it is not my own creation, I’m just explaining what I’ve come to understand about the technique. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them in the comments section and if I don’t know the answer I will do all that I can to get a good answer from either my HK practitioner or Steve himself.

Once these entities are surfaced, the illusion is cast aside and the detrimental beliefs changed, the timeline can be shifted (the lesson is now understood and complete at this point) and the spirit recreates what it would prefer to experience as a benefit to itself.

From what I understand from Steve, having a session in person is VERY POWERFUL, as the body, self and spirit travel in dreamtime and fully see what happened to itself and understands the cycle of time for itself.

Post Session
During this first session I soaked in a hot salt water bath at the start for maybe 20 minutes, then felt very drowsy and passed out asleep. It took slightly over two hours to complete, and in the immediate communication I received from the practitioner post session, my spirit was REALLY ready to do this work and it started out like wildfire, just racing through stuff. Perhaps this is why I had to go to sleep in my body! I woke up promptly as the session was ending, oddly enough, and felt groggy and kind of ‘out of it’ or in-between worlds I might say for about 40 minutes. However I instantly felt lighter, soooo much better than I had for as long as I could remember. The effects were immediate and PROFOUND. In the few days between when the session was done and when I received this transcript, I went through some ups and downs, but felt overall a million times better than I’d ever felt. Some memories surfaced about people involved, and the practitioner was able to confirm these people were indeed the ones identified in the session, based on photographs I shared with her.

Receiving the Transcript and Integration
I can say my surrogate sessions have also been very powerful, but perhaps in a different kind of way than if I’d been there physically. I hope to do this at some point. Everything that I read later in the transcripts, which are done by typing out what was said and done during the session which is recorded on audio, fits exactly. I just know it, remember it, feel it. Even the way some people who appear in the session (my parents for instance) and how they speak, things they say, fit their tone and patterns of speech verbatim. There is no way this information is or even could be ‘faked.’

There is at least 2 weeks where no other energy work should be done, and this can be a rather quiet, almost fragile time as one’s cellular structure changes to incorporate spirit’s new experiences on the changed timelines. EVERYTHING shifts. I felt like staying at home, doing quiet things more. However I felt AMAZING, had more energy than ever before, and could honestly say I was HAPPY for the first time in ages. Just smiling, doing my thing. It was incredible, the darkness faded away, and the light of my own spirit could finally shine from within.

In HK, the saying goes, ‘Its always in to out, never out to in’. This means, let the spirit and the internal worlds of such be one’s guide, not the external that is projected upon one. One must be sure not to call in any entities, spirit guides, after the sessions. You will realize and find there is simply no need for this. One’s own spirit has everything one requires to live life, manifest resources as it needs, draw in appropriate experiences for learning and continued growth and the internal evolution of the spirit. We are all that we need to be, in each and every moment, whatever that is. We are divine beings of pure spirit, having a human experience. It is wonderful to realize this, understand the eternal nature of ourselves directly in the way that the HK work affords, so that one can be what one intends fully in this incarnation. Anything else is simply the illusion and is not relevant.

First HK Session – Annalie, January 2012
Just to let you know Mark and I work in a controlled and safe environment and anything that we get rid of cannot come back unless you specifically ask it to – don’t laugh some people feel so lost without their interference they do silly things. Embrace this wonderful clear and in alignment self and enjoy it.

Also I shorten each clearing to the relevant points when I transcribe but the HK process we use is simple but at the same time involved and time consuming and unless you have learnt the therapy would be a bit confusing for you.

I made a list from your emails and these are the things we had to work on

Priority issue to work on

Left in hotel room as a little girl

Emotion : tyrant 1st activated age this lifetime between 4 and 5

I’m somewhere different I am not at home – people are being sneaky – mother and someone else – something they are not telling me – am on my own now – they said they would be back – they talked to each other.

We couldn’t get further everything went purple, this means inter dimensional interference, we found it surfaced it, it was alien interference , 3 aliens and one winged serpent, read rights broke agreements and blew off timeline – we then had to go to past lives – 3 lifetimes ago – male 32 thought i was sleep – my body isn’t moving but my brain is active – they are working on me – i can feel them strange things are happening – it is all colours and sounds – we had to go further back in time to where this cycle was created – it was thousands of years ago – could be thousands tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, was a very long time ago – female age 9 – inter dimensional interference came up- spirit said something is reaching for me- identified as aliens with runners had inlined the body through chakra – pulled them through and surfaced them read rights broke agreements blew off timeline – mother took me somewhere – my mother is important – i am in short white robe – mother said it was exciting – taken to big stone building – mother gave me away – i felt like i exploded – mother put me to sleep she gave me something to drink – mother said a prayer and then stood back – beings came forward and touched my head and my middle and my feet – i was never the same – i was frightened – they took control never me again – i did what mother said – that made me feel special – mother is important – i am important – the real me has gone – everything changed – i just never used myself again – i hid myself in a small part of my mind – mother in that lifetime is mother in this lifetime – spirit identified energy of mother and locked it in to remember only not for any other reason – spirit gathers whole of lifetime up and all experiences and emotions, hooks through the lifetime into anything that was detrimental and chord to mother is broken – when ready take a deep breath in and blow off timeline, lock it out – Recreation – I am in another family i have brothers and sisters with mother and father we are playing – i am total and whole and in this body – it is what i wanted – i feel whole safe and free – spirit feels the alignment the safety of being self and one – more interference online – winged serpent – (this interference didn’t want to go was surprised that we found it – we sent it to a dimension of time where it experienced what it had been doing to you) we then resurfaced it read rights broke agreements it then agreed to go (it knew that it couldn’t stay and there was no way out, it spat and hissed but agreed to go) – spirit then blew off timeline and locked it out. We then breathed in and locked in new creation, this is new timeline.

Then came back to man in his dimension he felt had no choice they could take him over – he had been sick no one is there – it is different now I am conscious they are in my head – i remember when i wake up – it is regular thing now i know for sure – had to identify and clear interference – reptilian read rights broke agreements blew off timeline – scanned body hooked into every time something like this happened in that lifetime all of the experiences and all of the emotions took deep breath in blew it off locked it out and cleared this dimension - Recreated that dimension – I am someone else completely I am a builder i create and make beautiful things people – I feel great and free – spirit takes deep breath in we lock the dimension and spirit releases breath – this is now the new timeline.

Now back in hotel room feeling so scared – mother and man scared i don’t know what of – back in that room with mother spirit identifies energy from thousand of years ago – connection was cut in past life – spirit sees that whatever was set up so far back in time has an active cycle now to the detriment of spirit and the being in this lifetime – gather mothers energy up and all hooks ties and connections to her in this lifetime and blow off timeline lock it out – spirit recognises that it is the same thing again in this lifetime as it was many thousands of years ago – we gather that dimension up and each and every in this lifetime that that has been triggered as recognise what it is dragged from the past thousands and thousands of years ago through to the present and all of the emotions and spirit takes a deep breath in and blows it off timeline and locks it out.

Recreation – I have sisters New mother and she is taking us out she is lovely – I am the oldest – I am the strongest and help mum it feels great to be free and clear and fully integrated and aligned in my body – it is beautiful to be loved and share and to be honoured as a person – spirit takes a deep breath in holds locks this new life in and then gently releases breath.

With all of the interference released in this clearing many of the issues from the list and your emails were cleared.

Parents American genetic/eugenics;
hotel room without food;
strange experiences museums world sites;
mental hospitals – cuttings – suicidal ideation – blood tests – spleen and blood; transfusions – seeing shadow people.

The above clearing in it’s entirety took about an hour and was very intensive, usually we can clear each dimension from this lifetime backwards in time – but there was so much interference on line that we had to go back to where it had all started and clear from there back to present day. For your spirit to have survived this and to clear it so thoroughly it is very strong and was very very pleased to at long last to be rid of the mess (to put it politely).

Next Priority

Spontaneous Kundalini Experience 2009

Emotion : wicked 1st activated age this lifetime 7

Travelling – not at home – travelling with mother to mums work – she’s taking me to see a man – don’t know why – I don’t like it have seen him before – don’t like his eyes – they regard me strangely (his eyes) – they regard me like an object – i am scared of him – i don’t trust him – he does strange things to me – he is tapping me – tapping my body – all over sometimes my spine he pulls on my legs – pushes on my body – he is manipulating my body – he’ straightening my spine – spine didn’t need straightening – why did mother take if not necessary – I don’t know mum took me – man is casting a spell – chanting – dizzy funny in my body – my body feels strange – he knows what he is doing – made me feel funny – my body feels light and disconnected – i still feel disconnected – my mothers pleased – the man is her master – she goes there regularly – she does everything man says – not father – i’ve got pains – in their eyes its going well – they have plans for me don’t know what they are – they are happy about it but i am disconnected and scared – they say i am growing up – i want to grow up – i want to please mum – he put in a gap in my spine low down – (instruct spirit back to when want to please mum and this is why you are doing all this, want spirit to take all illusion aside and see why mother is doing) – it is the 1st step in initiation – (do you still want to please her) spirit yes – (why) – i love mum but i am frightened of her – (is that any reason to please her) – i have no choice – (everyone has free choice) – mother said do it for her – (see mother was using you for her own purposes without your welfare in mind) – spirit sees that – ( it is all right to love mum but it is not all right to do things that are detrimental to your own being) spirit understands and blows out connection to needing to please mother and everything related to it locks it out. – Gathering up whole dimensions first stage of initiation and hooking into any other stages of initiation in this lifetime and anything that has been affecting in this lifetime that may have had to do with initiation and all emotions involved and everything that happened to you in relation to mother and this man gather all and blow of timeline sever all connections blow and lock it all out.

Recreation – I’ve got 2 lovely sisters a new loving mother and dad who is always there – allowed to just be me and be loved just for me – i fell incredible accepted -I know who I am – feels simple and lovely takes deep breath in holds locks new timeline into place and gently releases breath.

Interdimensional interference online from mother and man – 5 winged serpents surfaced read rights broke agreements blown off and locked out.

Go back more than 5 lifetimes ago a long time ago – female 6 – my mother is being raped – we are in a cave – one man raping and hitting mother – biggest man i have ever seen – a warrior – he wants her – he is violent – he frightens me – i’m fascinated – never seen it before – know it could be me – worried – when finished with mother beats and rapes me – when this happens i leave my body – mum cares for me i survive it – i am violated disconnected – never the same – feel helpless – it happens again 7 – situation mother man and me goes on for years and then we never see him he is killed – i feel relieved he is dead – i accept what has happened to me – it is the way things are – (it is not a natural thing for ways to be, how do you feel about mother and what she let happen) – i’ve got no choice - i feel trapped and relieved it is over – spirit gathers up whole lifetime and everything that happened and all emotions get rid of his death and dying as well need him completely out of timeline get rid of acceptance that that is the way things are (an incorrect assumption) takes deep breath blows it all out and locks it out.

Recreation – I know who my father is he lives with us he protects me and my mother we have a happy life – i feel wonderful and simple like other people spirit takes deep breath in holds locks new life in and gently releases breath.
Interference from this past life was found in this lifetime and cleared.

Move back to 2009 – interference has to be cleared first – surface winged serpent read rights break agreements and blow it out lock it out. Then spirit says oh !??! am i tired or what. – absolute fatigue – Then found other inter dimensional interference that had to be cleared read rights broke agreements blew out locked out.

need to go in an on emotion for this fatigue prior to 2009 – emotion ruined age 9 – feel terrible don’t know why i feel so bad i am at home in bed it is morning woke up feeling exhausted – i floated away during night – they came and got me – 3 aliens – it was time – they know – they what they are doing – just a big visit – it is from mum – it is the same as before – this was another cycle of the original clearing that we hadn’t got to before because of second session blocking now freed to be cleared – they put something in my back – (agreement came through mum needs to be cleared on its own) – inline outline removed and aliens and winged serpent surfaced read rights broke agreements blew out locked out – feeling exhaustion is now gone -back to 9 years of age blow out everything happened sever all ties and agreements made through time by anyone sever everything related to mother deep breath in blow off timeline lock out - Recreate – Part of big family feel safe and belong am happy – feels right – whole complete and in alignment it feels wonderful deep breath in hold lock it in right through this lifetime and for the future.

2009 Spontaneous Kundalini – clear interference first winged serpent read rights broke agreements blew out locked out.

Back in dimension 2009 – i am fascinated – (all illusion aside see it as it really is detrimental ) – not in alignment with my being – want to get rid of it – fascination and fear see it feel it deep breath in blow it out lock it out.

Recreatiion – I have never felt so health and fit and well and my body is my own and I trust in my spirit I am proud of myself i need nothing but myself and my own internal spirit – i feel good at one with myself – i feel wonderful – deep breath in hold lock it in gently release breath.

This clearing removed the following issues:
Kundalini
Right arm
suicidal attempts
psychic attacks
psychotherapy
animal guides (you had asked us to leave this alone but spirit had other ideas)

Spirit gathered up the frequency of all drugs taken legal and illegal locked it in gathered up 180 degree reversal of these frequencies locked that in and then blew them out blasting them against each other to clear the body then locked them out.

Set protective field around body from own energy projected outward and spirit agreed to stop anything detrimental from entering under any circumstances so that clearing and healing can be completed through each and every cell of the body. Locked this into place.

Everything is always in to out.

Session ended another session may be required in a few months only time will tell.

Hope that this explains things for you and you are happy with the work we did.

[Hervé]

The above session had a followup one:


Holographic Kinetics – Session Two

I’ve already explained much of what I know about the holographic kinetics technique and how these sessions work, so if you are just stepping into the discussion about Holographic Kinetics now, I recommend you check out my two prior blog entries, which will explain more of the details. Again, Steve Richards’s site is the best place for more detailed information, you can see that at www.holographickinetics.net

At this point, I will include some other links to places where the HK technique is being discussed, so you can have a broader range of opinions and perspectives on the technique and how it works.

You can read more about my experiences and also some of what other folks who have had session have to say about the experience in the comment section on Sarah Stanga’s page here (discussion between various commenters starts about 15 comments in):

http://taobootes.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/another-sunday-post/#comments [no longer on line]

And some other comments I’ve posted on Duncan O’Finioan’s blog are here, scroll down to where you’ll see ‘Annalie’ (that’s me) make a comment:

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/sarah-stanga-has-a-new-blog/ [deleted]

Here is a discussion about Holographic Kinetics on the Project Avalon forum:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics&p=401008&highlight=holographic+kinetics#post401008

There is also some information posted on Australian websites from Steve Richards’ student practitioners here:

http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/connect/holographickinetics/service/8164

http://www.red-spirit-energy-healing.com/holographic-kinetics-therapy.html

http://www.heidisvision.com/Holographic-Kinetics-Healing-Sessions-with-Heidi

http://www.healingthroughtime.com/holographic-kinetics.html

Getting help with HK
I’ve included the above links so that those interested in the technique can review the information fully before deciding to go this route for your own healing. Everyone has to make their own choices, discernment and finding the right tools will be unique to each person. As such, only YOU can decide what path to your own healing to follow. I am simply providing this information because I’ve found the technique to be very helpful, and want to help others find a route to effective healing that WORKS. If after reading this information you are interested in a session, the best way to go about this is to write a brief email to Steve Richards (that info can be found here: http://holographickinetics.net/contact.html) and he will forward your request on to an appropriate practitioner, based on your locations and needs. To date he has trained over 500 people in the technique, in 22 countries. As I’ve stated before, he feels having an in-person session is the best route to go, but surrogacy is effective if you are unable to get to an in-person session. He will be able to put you in touch with the best person, so do go about contacting him first, this is what he recommended in the radio interview, and it is the route that I followed myself in January.

For those wanting another glimpse into how the sessions work and what can be cleared, the past cycles of time that are holding spirit locked in trauma, how these can be accessed and healed, thereby recreating time itself, here is the transcript from my second HK session.

Annalie – 2nd HK Session – March 2012
Here is transcription, sorry for delay but had problems with recording equipment. As I said before this clearing was a very physical one for Mark far more than usual and I think that the problem with recording equipment was from some of your interference, Mark and I work in a protected environment the interference was caught and couldn’t go anywhere so played with the airwaves. Luckily i have back up equipment, but it is harder to transcribe from it so this is why it has taken so long. Hope you are happy with the work. Once more it has been an honour for Mark and I to work with you and your children.

Core Issue
Health – Sinus Chest Asthma
Emotion : Instability
Age : 2nd Trimester in Womb

I’m scared – i don’t like where mum is – i don’t like where we are – feels dangerous – she’s with other people – panting – frightened agitated nervous – heart rate is up – tense panicky can’t breathe properly feel laboured breath – whatever mother is doing is impacting on her – she is out of control – people are in charge of her – I don’t like it – she gives control to other people makes me nervous feel trapped – interference (2 winged serpents) surfaced read rights broke agreements blown off timeline. – further interference external psychic attack on baby – surfaced external psychic attack where did you come from blown into field and left there for minute – came from people there not theirs they are being used and it goes back further – gather dimension up all the emotions from chest head whole body – Mark almost choked and writhed on table at this point – spirit rise above and see everything that has been happening and all of the emotions without physically feeling the dimension but seeing everything relevant all the emotions and everything that has been happening to you blown off timeline and locked out. Had to shut the session down for 5 minutes because of physicality of what was happening. (Mark’s comment I’ve never had anything dragged out of my body like that!) have to blow out dimension again lock it out.

Recreate : I am at home with mum she is reading relaxing feeling well – i am safe and content and my body feels nice and relaxed healthy I am enjoying being with mum – my body feels good inside mummy. Breath in lock in new timeline.
More interference – inlines outlines (manipulating thoughts and draining energies) through crown chakra through chest area – impacting on chest of body – connected to 3 aliens 10 runners 1 winged serpent – surfaced read rights blown off timeline.

Still have cough online right through clearing came from external psychic attack – external psychic attack surfaced asked where it came from originally – created by aliens came through these people at this time – psychic attack sent back to creators through people that have used it – each and every time it has been used – they will feel what has been done to baby ten fold spirit steps forward and blows this attack off timeline locks it out.

Breathed and locked in recreation once more.

Genetic hereditary fathers line way back in time – male 23 i am initiated – they are drilling into my head – i left my body something else got into me - when this happened how did it make you feel – i felt powerful reborn – all illusion aside – I see a monster connected to my head I am paralysed with fear – now see reality want to get rid of it – ancestor gathered up dimension and everything that happened and blew of timeline.

Recreated : I m somewhere else – I grow up in a small village it feels wonderful the life i always wanted locked it into place. Interference that entered surfaced – draconian read rights broke agreements blown off timeline – spirit of ancestor blows out residue hooks into every time it has been activated through lifetime after lifetime up until the present day any threads lines everything and locks it out. Ancestor back i time brings through changes right through generational line up to the present and locks it in.

More interference back in time to be cleared – alien Pleiadian surfaced read rights and blown off timeline locked out. Ancestor sent back to his own dimension it is now closed and all changes have come down through time and are now beneficial.

Next issue
Marriage
Emotion : Humiliate
Age : 1-2

I’m listening to mum – she’s talking to people she’s lying – she’s lying about how she feels about me – i feel physically frustrated uneasy restless like something i can’t get away from – she just has it so wrong – that she wants the best for me – i know that’s not true – i feel its a frustration i can’t express its a feeling of i can’t speak for myself and i don’t want to be i just want to say no no no i can’t get away – i feel trapped – (how does it make you feel about people) – i feel that the people closest to me are trying to trap me – i feel panicky – it is very familiar – i feel badly represented with no voice of my own – it makes me weak gather up whole dimension of time and all the emotions that went with it and blow it off timeline lock it out. Come to marriage and be there now – how do you feel – that i am embroiled in circumstances and conditions that don’t represent me well – it is the same – I’m frustrated but i wish it wasn’t like this but i feel trapped because people still aren’t representing me properly and that i don’t matter – i don’t deserve this – I’m frustrated that it is still the case – even though I’ve tried so many things to change – i can see where it originated in this lifetime now – gathers up everything happening now with the similarities through time and all of the emotions everything else in relation to marriage and blows it off timeline locks it out.

Recreate dimension 1-2 change it there and bring it through to the present day (how would you like it to be back in time) I have a different mother who is loving and supportive i grow up feeling love and support and that my choices are my own – i feel in control and full of potential – strong and independent – from 1-2 carry right through lifetime every time you need to change it right up to the present day – (what do you see for yourself now) – i see myself making sense of everything that has happened in the past – i see how its led to my situation in the present i feel healthy i feel strong i don’t feel the need to change others i feel content with my understanding – i see how it is – as for marriage i haven’t been happy for sometime but I’m so happy for the way i feel about things and understand things that i am willing to wait – too much is happening now i feel healthy lock in positives of whole experience.

Interference (mini cluster – pattern of reactions) behind that something else alien – alien surfaced read rights broke agreements blown off timeline. Mini cluster now free to change from negative to positive (an open ended system) read rights broke agreements and blown off timeline.

Genetic hereditary – mother brought through in relation to emotion humiliate – i am 5 I’m sleeping – something gets into my head – alien programming – they’ve done it before – it doesn’t hurt – got back to 1st time this happened not matter how far back in time – past life – female 3 my throat is cut- female cult and i am a sacrifice – sacrificed by scary woman – i was stolen and used by female cult there is a scary woman – i’ve given up – scary woman is possessed – she cuts my throat – i’m sacrificed to aliens – possessed woman energy – i die i accept it I’ve got no choice – interference energy of possessed woman in child surfaced and asked why this child was sacrificed it was to trade with the aliens – being trapped with child through time wasn’t worth the payoff want to change it blow off dimension, recreate I lived a different life grew old as a grandmother it felt wonderful locked in. child in past life blows off the woman and locks her out. Spirit of mother back in time because possessed woman killed you you could take her on and from then until now she has had influence do you see this – mother says yes. Back in time as 3 years olds blown out dimension and emotions and locked out.

Interference 3 aliens 12 runners and other inter dimensional interference surfaced read rights broke agreements including any agreement to be in alien programme, blew off timeline locked out. Spirit of mother in past life hook into each and every time this has been activated way back in time through to the present breath in blow it out lock it out. Recreate back in time – I stay with my family grow up and live happily- i feel whole complete and safe – see it from way back in time through every lifetime and into the present – yes i am independent content too with my own life deep breath in lock it in gently release breath. Mother send past life to its own new dimension. Back at 5 in this lifetime blow whole experience off timeline it no longer exists blow it off lock it out. Recreate at 5 Just safe happy content and free of fear – it feels wonderful i am excited about my life – i can see it going right through my lifetime up to the present and in to the future – i feel complete breath in lock in. Interference inline outline heart chakra near navel area removed and exposed interference running it 10 aliens 4 winged serpents surfaced read rights broke agreements including any agreements to be in alien programmes blown off timeline. Mother sent back to her own timeline.

<Small section of session deleted here for privacy reasons>

This is a much work as Annalie and Mark can handle today so session finished.
Taurus fields for Annalie and children set up with each of their internal spirits to protect them through integration and nothing detrimental to get through their fields.

[panopticon]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
You see, I come from a culture that’s 60,000 years old. It didn’t take shopping trolleys with it when it went shopping, you used to go out into nature and communicate to the trees, to the animals. Everything is alive in nature, and they were aware of this. Now what they’d do at night, they’d sit around in what’s known as the Dreamtime. And they’d communicate to the spirit of the kangaroo, spirit of the goanna. When they wanted to, they’d communicate to that Spirit and that Spirit would donate its vehicle – the body. The vehicle is in fight or flight. But the Spirit, when it donates the vehicle, moves to a higher octave, it moves up the scale, so it evolves in another dimension of reality. That’s how they got their food.

G'day Amzer Zo,

I have never come across this interpretation of what the white fella's call the "dreamtime" before. I've known a few Nyungar elders and I don't know which peoples Steve is from but his describing the "before" as sitting around a camp fire story telling just isn't within any of the stories I'm familiar with. Also never heard of an animals spirit agreeing to death. The movement into other dimensions could be a westernisation of some people beliefs but it really is a bit of a stretch.

Just thought I'd say but I don't know who Steve's mob are so I'm a bit in the dark.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Hervé]

Then there was a follow up interview with Steve Richards by Randy Maugans and Annalie Cummings:


OffPlanet Radio Live-07-11-2012: Steve Richards-Holographic Kinetics-Healing and Integration Q&A-Part 1

Saturday, July 14, 2012 at 5:07PM

Wednesday July 11, 2012 Live Show-Steve Richards: Holographic Kinetics-Healing and Integration Q&A with callers' questions on H-K healing modalities.
Guest host: Annalie Cummings - http://artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com/
Holographic Kinetics - http://www.holographickinetics.net/

Note: These are difficult concepts to process and require thought, attention, and individual discernment of one's own present life patterns. As with any healing method, H-K requires one to be committed to the process and the work to succeed. It is our belief that there is no "silver bullet" for dealing with trauma and re-integration. Listen and decide for your self as to the appropriateness of this, or any healing modality.

Part 1- Reviewing the basic concepts begind Holographic Kinetics; the aboriginal shamanic process; the cycles of time and incarnation; individual creation of realities and consequences of past life actions and future life consequences; the coming conjunctions and need to balance life choices. Genetic programming and amnesia; dimensional influences and trapped energetuc fluxes in the individual spirit; entities and manipulation; agreements and trauma-based life experiences.

Part 2-Question on disposing of displaced entities; more anecdotal cases from Steve dealing with the Aborigines, dealing with extra-dimensional entities; violence against children; perps and victimes; sexual abuse; origins of "war crimes; NO TWO CASES THE SAME!; ritual abuse and sacrifice; soul agreements and repetitiive multiple life sacrifice choices; soul vs. spirit changes; pedophillia and institutional cover-ups---the end of the cycle (ascension/convergence); a cure for pedophiles? Endless loop of the malevolent universe?

Seperate dimensions of reality/universes. Cycles and "the big cycle", group incarnation cycles; the dimensional shift and two facets of time; George Kavasillas and H-K; clearing the dimensioons of time to end loops of demonic patterns. Reistance and energizing of patterns and entities; difficult concepts of "reality": victim mentality; divide-and-conqueor mind-sets and the resistance to change time; "no easy answers"; energizing fears; "no wrong and right"---creation on the soul level and experience; manifest realities and thought forms; compassion? point zero: observe and do not react; pity as a traumatic means for entity habitation; dealing with spirits (of any type), entities, Draconians; drugs, alcohol and sexual activity as vectors for entity habitation; Steve: the culture of divide-and-culture as catalyst for global dis-union; overlords of this dimension do not want people free; don't play the game-don't energize the negative forces with attention.

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This interview didn't run as smoothly as the first one due to difficulties of the participants to grasp the portend of some of Steve's experiences in the subjects of "victim" and "compassion."

Thereafter, there seem that a falling out between Annalie and Steve occurred.

Here is Randy Maugan's summary:

Healing Issues

Over the last week a number of “issues” have been brought up about healing methods. First, there is the whole Steve Richards/Holographic Kinetics issue: H-K (for short) deals bluntly with issues related to past life contracts, extra-dimensional entities, and an agnostic view of the cause and effect of spirits who act out past atrocities and souls which assimilate present life traumas in a perpetual cycle. It is total responsibility for oneself on every level, and that is the brutal reality.

Steve’s methods are frank confrontations with the human life-birth-death-re
birth wheel of karma. Whether one embraces that reality, it will not be avoided in utilizing H-K methods. As heard on the Wednedsay live show (Part 1 | Part 2 ), the hosts, the questioners, and Steve grappled with core issues of H-K in real time.

There is disagreement over the principles Steve espouses regarding emotional energizing of events by compassionate empathy. The obverse is that fighting against anything, likewise charges that creation. In other words one has to be completely neutral (the “point zero”) in dealing with any trauma-based situation. And that remains a bone that many cannot swallow.

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Where Steve lost most everyone is when he addressed the cycle "victim-perpetrator" since from his experience of going down the line of past-lives with people, the rule is something like:

"victim," victim again... yep, victim once more... victim again and again and again... ooopppsss... perpetrator!

That's a tough one to fully grasp.

[D-Day]

Posted by panopticon (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
You see, I come from a culture that’s 60,000 years old. It didn’t take shopping trolleys with it when it went shopping, you used to go out into nature and communicate to the trees, to the animals. Everything is alive in nature, and they were aware of this. Now what they’d do at night, they’d sit around in what’s known as the Dreamtime. And they’d communicate to the spirit of the kangaroo, spirit of the goanna. When they wanted to, they’d communicate to that Spirit and that Spirit would donate its vehicle – the body. The vehicle is in fight or flight. But the Spirit, when it donates the vehicle, moves to a higher octave, it moves up the scale, so it evolves in another dimension of reality. That’s how they got their food.

G'day Amzer Zo,

I have never come across this interpretation of what the white fella's call the "dreamtime" before. I've known a few Nyungar elders and I don't know which peoples Steve is from but his describing the "before" as sitting around a camp fire story telling just isn't within any of the stories I'm familiar with. Also never heard of an animals spirit agreeing to death. The movement into other dimensions could be a westernisation of some people beliefs but it really is a bit of a stretch.

Just thought I'd say but I don't know who Steve's mob are so I'm a bit in the dark.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Yeah, I can certainly see why you might be a little skeptical about what Steve said there.

However, keep in mind that Steve was talking about a time (50*60+ thousand years ago) when the aboriginal people living in Australia were FAR more in tune with temselves, this planet, their environment, it's ecosystems, the spirits that inhabited them, and the animals (vehicles) that represented the physical incarnations of those spirits.

Somehow I don't think Steve was referring to what aboriginal people in aboriginal communites are doing nowdays, in modern day outback communities

I'll leave it at that for now, but I would encourage you to take a closer look at Steve's website here:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/contact.html

... I think by doing so you will be much better equipped to put Steves comments into context/perspective.

Also, if you happen to see your aboriginal elder friend from the Nyungar tribe you might want to mention Steve's name and ask him if he knows the man... I have a feeling you might be surprised to find out he knows him or at the very least knows of him.

Steve was nominated for an Australian Of The Year Award in 2007 (from memory) for his work within aboriginal communities in Australia as well as his work within the prison system here. Steve is WELL KNOWN and HIGHLY REGARDED/RESPECTED within the aboriginal community (especially amongst its elders) and is frequently called upon to offer his "unique services and skillset" not only for healing specific individuals or groups of peopple, but also for healing areas of land where the local ecosystem has experienced significant trauma.

There's a lot more to Steve than meets the eye and I hope you do take the time to check out his webiste... you may just be surprised by what you find there

[panopticon]

Posted by D-DAY (here)

Yeah, I can certainly see why you might be a little skeptical about what Steve said there.

However, keep in mind that Steve was talking about a time (50*60+ thousand years ago) when the aboriginal people living in Australia were FAR more in tune with temselves, this planet, their environment, it's ecosystems, the spirits that inhabited them, and the animals (vehicles) that represented the physical incarnations of those spirits.

Somehow I don't think Steve was referring to what aboriginal people in aboriginal communites are doing nowdays, in modern day outback communities

G'day D-Day,

Thanks for clearing that up.
I re-read it after you said he was telling a dreamtime story of his people.
Yeah, that makes more sense now.
Didn't read that way in the transcript, sounded like he was talking about present day people not dreamtime people (though to be fair there's not really a separation by traditional people between the two, so his telling of it was a bit confusing in that he was using the traditional story telling in the midst of a western dialogue -- does that make sense).

Next time I'm in WA I'll see if anyone's heard of him.
Where are his people from (I see he's in Queensland but that doesn't mean it's his country)?
As I said, his stories are probably different from the ones I've heard in WA and I've got no knowledge of Yolngu or other Northern people stories.

In Tassie the stories were lost following The Black War.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[D-Day]

Posted by panopticon (here)
G'day D-Day,

Thanks for clearing that up.
I re-read it after you said he was telling a dreamtime story of his people.
Yeah, that makes more sense now.
Didn't read that way in the transcript, sounded like he was talking about present day people not dreamtime people (though to be fair there's not really a separation by traditional people between the two, so his telling of it was a bit confusing in that he was using the traditional story telling in the midst of a western dialogue -- does that make sense).

Next time I'm in WA I'll see if anyone's heard of him.
Where are his people from (I see he's in Queensland but that doesn't mean it's his country)?
As I said, his stories are probably different from the ones I've heard in WA and I've got no knowledge of Yolngu or other Northern people stories.

In Tassie the stories were lost following The Black War.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Hi penopticon,

No worries mate, it's all good!

By the way, I'm not for one moment suggesting that Steve is right about everything he says, just that in order for someone to fully comprehend his perspective on things I think it's important they take the time to thoroughly investigate all facets of the information he presents before drawing clonclusions.

I guess that philosophy can be applied to just about everything really

Anyways, regarding where Steves' people are from, to be honest I'm not exactly sure. However, he has provided a nice little blurb on his website that describes some of the experiences that have led him down the path he is on today.

Here's a link in case you feel inclined to take a little bo peep...

http://www.holographickinetics.net/A...al%20past.html

[Reinhard]

Thank you Amzer Zo, D-Day... for this great information,

don't mean to de-rail the thread, but can somebody comment on Marlo Morgan's book (Mutant message down under)? Is this a real-time experience?

[panopticon]

Posted by D-DAY (here)
By the way, I'm not for one moment suggesting that Steve is right about everything he says, just that in order for someone to fully comprehend his perspective on things I think it's important they take the time to thoroughly investigate all facets of the information he presents before drawing clonclusions.

I guess that philosophy can be applied to just about everything really

Anyways, regarding where Steves' people are from, to be honest I'm not exactly sure. However, he has provided a nice little blurb on his website that describes some of the experiences that have led him down the path he is on today.

Here's a link in case you feel inclined to take a little bo peep...

http://www.holographickinetics.net/A...al%20past.html

G'day D-Day,

I had a gitsy at the page and his story is similar to many I've heard before.
The parents would try to hide the children, the children would be "taken into service" to make their life "better". Corrupts the people/culture/country connection.
All part of the "Breeding Out The Colour" program of the inter-war years and beyond. This was an extension of an earlier eugenics program based on racial dilution as a "solution" for what was perceived as the genetically inferior aboriginals. (Here's an article by McGregor on this titled: 'Breed out the colour' or the importance of being white.)

Interesting couple of audio's you might be interested in from the 'Kaartdijin Noongar Culture' website.

Short 2 minute story of how Nyungar people at Badjaling Mission worked together to hide the children from being taken:


Story (2 min) about similar things to Steve's ways of knowing described in his 'Ancestral Past' page:


I was taught how to read the time from the sun when I was a young fella and I used to spin my step children out cause I'd be within 15 minutes of the clock time every time. They used to bring their friends around and ask the time and I'd look at the sun and tell them and they'd all laugh and go "See we told you".

Also here's a short video (1 minute) from 1984 in which Lang Hancock (Gina Reinhart's Father) advocates a eugenics program as a solution to the "Aboriginal Problem":

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XZ9LFX6NDuk

I checked Steve's page but I couldn't find if he says where his country is, just that he was in Sydney for a while. Guess it doesn't really matter I was just curious as his story was so different from anything I'd had related before, but now I understand he was talking from his peoples story it makes more sense.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[panopticon]

Posted by Reinhard (here)
Thank you Amzer Zo, D-Day... for this great information,

don't mean to de-rail the thread, but can somebody comment on Marlo Morgan's book (Mutant message down under)? Is this a real-time experience?

Never heard of it 'til now but as best I understand it a white woman would not even be welcome with the desert tribes unless she knows the language. She'd be taken to a town or something to help her leave. There is no way she would be welcome as part of the people without having been there for years (and probably not even then).

Found this on wikipedia that makes sense:

She admitted publicly that she had faked it but this received little publicity in the USA. The Aboriginal people are very angry that this book continues to be promoted and sold widely because it gives a very false picture of their traditional culture and of their current political and social status. This is very damaging to their very real struggle for survival.
Wikipedia.

And then there's this:



For more see:
http://dumbartung.org.au/report1.html
http://www.creativespirits.info/reso...under-timeline
Hope this helps.
-- Pan

Update.

How did she come across a crocodile in the central desert?

Just read a report from Dr John E. Stanton on this that I agree with completely:
http://dumbartung.org.au/stanton2.html

And then there's this one by Chris Sitka (who has lived and worked with the desert people):
http://www.west.com.au/reviews/morgan/

I really, really, really can't believe that people thought this was a true story...

BTW sorry for going off topic.
I'll bugger of back to the gallery and let you'll get back to Steve's work.