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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Thanks for adding these "J.P. Morgan" comments (which I should have included in my earlier Post).

    Although I stated (Bruce) Ismay was the "owner," he actually represented the White Star Line.
    Who owned White Star? J.P. Morgan - who purportedly INVITED the banker/financiers aboard as guests with the deliberate intent of sinking the TITANIC, as above.
    Most noted and and thank you ~ my Kiwi Friend...

    i also like this intriguing component added into the conspiracy...

    as another saying goes ~ "All roads lead back to Rome" and into the Vatican



    Note some of this info has already been posted


    THE SINKING OF THE TITANIC
    http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

    note original source link: http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/preamble.html

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    More Titanic news...

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    Titanic: Possible Human Remains Found In Shipwreck





    NEW YORK -- Human remains may be embedded in the mud of the North Atlantic where the New York-bound Titanic came to rest when it sank 100 years ago, a federal official said Saturday. A 2004 photograph, released to the public for the first time this week in an uncropped version to coincide with the disaster's centenary, shows a coat and boots in the mud at the legendary shipwreck site...
    read more -
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1426660.html

    Also from London ~ Mail Online News

    Haunting pictures of boots and a coat at Titanic wreck site illustrate the human cost of the tragedy 100 years after ship sank..
    Read more -
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1sGl8fT2M

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    Quote Posted by giovonni (here)
    [....snip]
    note original source link: http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/preamble.html
    Thank you giovonni for posting this very relevant link.

    Quote Quoting from the text in chapter 5:
    "Many interesting points about the Titanic are discussed in a videotape made by National Geographic in 1986. The videotape is entitled The Secrets of the Titanic. When the Titanic departed from Southern England on April 10, 1912, Francis Browne, the Jesuit master of Edward Smith, boarded the Titanic. This man was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and answered directly to the general of the Jesuit Order in Rome. The videotape declares:

    A vacationing priest, Father Francis Browne, caught these poignant snapshots of his fellow passengers, most of them on a voyage to eternity. The next day Titanic made her last stop off the coast of Queenstown, Ireland. Here tenders brought out the last passengers; mostly Irish immigrants headed for new homes in America. And here, the lucky Father Browne disembarked.... Father Browne caught Captain Smith peering down from Titanic’s bridge, poised on the brink of destiny. — The Secrets of the Titanic, National Geographic, video tape, 1986.

    Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The Provincial [Father Francis Browne] boards Titanic, photographs the victims, most assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell. — Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins, Halycon Unified Services, p. 427."
    This is a point that I cannot stress enough. Ever present in the shadows of global manipulation lurks the Vatican.

    The Roman Empire never died. It lives-on through the Holy Roman Empire. With every pivotal moment in Current Era history, one can find the fingerprint of the Vatican.
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    as the saying goes... you live and you learn ...sometimes ?


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    Sunday, April 15, 2012

    EDITORIAL
    The Titanic and the nuclear fiasco

    On the night of April 15, 1912, 100 years ago today, the allegedly unsinkable luxury liner RMS Titanic sank in the North Atlantic after hitting an iceberg. Of the ship's 2,200 passengers, 1,500 lost their lives. Since then the Titanic has become an object lesson, an obsession and the subject of countless books and films.

    The theories about why the largest and most expensive ship of its time failed in its promise and dropped to the ocean floor are plentiful and diverse. Investigators, researchers and conspiracy theorists have variously blamed the ship's design, the laxness of the crew, the inferior quality of the ship's rivets and hull steel, the poor design of the watertight compartments, record high tides, ocean mirages and of course, the infamous iceberg. Clearly, though, it was no one single cause, but a "perfect storm" of factors. The disaster would have been mitigated, though, by less arrogance and more precaution.

    Presenting technology as completely safe, trustworthy or miraculous may seem to be a thing of the past, but the parallels between the Titanic and Japan's nuclear power industry could not be clearer. Japan's nuclear power plants were, like the Titanic, advertised as marvels of modern science that were completely safe. Certain technologies, whether they promise to float a luxury liner or provide clean energy, can never be made entirely safe.

    In both cases, contingencies plans failed: the Titanic carried too few lifeboats; Tokyo Electric Power Co. failed to develop evacuation and backup plans for its Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant. The design, construction, materials and safety checks were all compromised. The main difference is that the catastrophic effects of the Fukushima fiasco are more far-reaching and long lasting. The plant's name has already become synonymous with disaster.

    Not long after the Titanic sank, the company that built the ship retrofit its other two sister ships with stronger hulls. Was the company admitting a flaw or just being careful? Or were they being, at last, wise? Given what's at stake, the government, Tepco and the rest of Japan's power companies must act prudently and retrofit the nation's other nuclear power plants with stronger safeguards in the short term and, in the long term, concede that other forms of energy are demonstrably safer.

    In an article not long after the Titanic sank, writer Joseph Conrad commented on the tragedy by noting the "chastening influence it should have on the self-confidence of mankind." That lesson should be applied to all "unsinkable" undertakings that might profit a few by imperiling the majority of others.


    Source link: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/ed20120415a1.html

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    It's so very hard to swallow the pabulum of the major media when it comes to any of these events, giovonni.

    The Maine, The Titanic, Pearl Harbor, The Gulf of Tonkin, The World Trade Towers, Fukushima, just to mention a few.... all airing the stench of obscene financial gain - regardless the cost in human suffering.

    When one is aware of the mechanism (global banking by many other names as well) whose fingerprints appear on each of those events mentioned, it becomes so very hard to read the watered-down major media versions.

    Therefore, I'll withhold my thanks for your comment #24.

    But, thanks for giving me the opportunity to make this reflection on what you posted there.
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    If memory serves, this is the second attempt at building a TITANIC II

    Australian billionaire to build Titanic II
    AFP Updated April 30, 2012, 6:38 pm

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/1...ld-titanic-ii/

    Quote One of Australia s richest men, Clive Palmer, on Monday unveiled plans to build a 21st century version of the doomed Titanic in China, with its first voyage from England to New York set for 2016.

    SYDNEY (AFP) - One of Australia's richest men, Clive Palmer, on Monday unveiled plans to build a 21st century version of the doomed Titanic in China, with its first voyage from England to New York set for 2016.

    Palmer, a self-made mining billionaire, said he had commissioned state-owned Chinese company CSC Jinling Shipyard to construct Titanic II with the same dimensions as its predecessor.

    "It will be every bit as luxurious as the original Titanic but of course it will have state-of-the-art 21st century technology and the latest navigation and safety systems," Palmer said in a statement.

    "Titanic II will sail in the northern hemisphere and her maiden voyage from England to North America is scheduled for late 2016."

    He added that he had invited the Chinese navy to escort the Titanic II to New York.

    The announcement comes just weeks after the 100th anniversary of the sinking of Titanic, which went down on April 15, 1912 after striking an iceberg on its first voyage, from Southampton to New York.

    Palmer said the new ship would be a tribute to the spirit of the men and women who worked on the original, which sank with the loss of 1,514 passengers and crew.

    "These people produced work that is still marvelled at more than 100 years later and we want that spirit to go on for another 100 years," he said.

    Titanic was commissioned by White Star Line and was the largest liner in the world at the time.

    Palmer said he has established his own shipping company, Blue Star Line, with the new vessel having the same specifications as its predecessor -- 270 metres long (885 feet), 53 metres high and weighing some 40,000 tonnes.

    It will have 840 rooms and nine decks with design work in conjunction with an historical research team underway. No figure was given on how much it would cost.

    The only changes to the original would be below the water line including welding and not riveting, a bulbous bow for greater fuel efficiency, diesel generation and enlarged rudder and bow thrusters for increased manoeuvrability.

    "Titanic II will be the ultimate in comfort and luxury with on-board gymnasiums and swimming pools, libraries, high class restaurants and luxury cabins," Palmer said.

    The ship would also include an exhibition room which will be located in the space of the original's coal boilers which will showcase his home state of Queensland.

    Palmer is estimated to be Australia's fifth richest person, worth more than Aus$5 billion (US$5.2 billion), thanks to his vast coal and other mining assets in Queensland and Western Australia.

    He has also branched out into tourism and owns the luxury Coolum resort on the Sunshine Coast, while recently saying he wants to move into the media industry, a sector dominated by Fairfax and Rupert Murdoch's News Limited.

    His decision to commission a Chinese shipbuilding yard, which will also construct other luxury liners for the tycoon, reinforces his ties to the country, which is a key buyer of his coal and iron ore.

    "The Chinese are renowned for building commercial cargo and container ships," he said.

    "China currently produces around two to three percent of the world's luxury ships but is looking to challenge the Europeans who have around 75 percent of this market.

    "The Chinese ship building industry with our assistance wants to be a major player in this market."
    The original Titanic was built in Belfast.

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    The Titanic Conspiracy - The Great Deception [John Hamer]

    i felt this lecture was suitable in reviving this thread for those interested ...

    for your inspection ...

    Published on Dec 8, 2012

    "A compelling presentation by John Hamer, author of the recently published book 'The Falsification of History', to New Horizons in St. Annes, Lancashire, England.

    In October 1910, a group of seven men, all senior players in the Rothschild and Rockefeller financial dynasties, met in strict secrecy on a private island off the coast of Georgia, USA. Their brief was to create an organisation to usurp the power to create and print money, until then solely a function of the US government. This organisation was to be named 'The Federal Reserve Bank'. This plan however, had several extremely powerful, high-profile opponents who stood in the way of these banker's goals.

    In the meantime, John Pierpoint (JP) Morgan, another American high-financier, involved in the Federal Reserve scheme, who also happened to own the British-based White Star shipping line, had commissioned a series of 'super-liners', the Olympic class, in an attempt to gain the lion's share of the highly lucrative Atlantic-crossing market. The speculative investment involved in this project was immense.

    However, in September 1911, before the second one of the planned three 'sisters', RMS Titanic had been completed, Morgan's plans were dealt a massive financial blow when RMS Olympic, the first of the 'sister' ships off the production line was involved in a disastrous collision with a Royal Navy cruiser, HMS Hawke.

    And so, the scene was set for one of the greatest deceptions ever perpetrated... in the100th anniversary year, John presents information and evidence that seriously questions the official account in the history books."


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    Bumping this thread with some impressive new research:
    First-Ever Digital Scan Of Titanic Reveals Never Before-Seen Views

    For the first time, a full-sized digital scan of the Titanic has been made public, which could reveal new secrets about the ship that lies 12,500 feet down in the Atlantic.


    Titanic's front section

    BBC News said the scan was conducted about a year ago by Magellan Ltd, a deep-sea mapping company, and Atlantic Productions, who are making a documentary about the Titanic.


    Titanic's stern

    Magellan's Gerhard Seiffert, who heads the expedition, said the underwater scanning project was the largest and most complex he had ever undertaken.
    "The depth of it, almost 4,000m, represents a challenge, and you have currents at the site, too - and we're not allowed to touch anything so as not to damage the wreck," he explained.
    "And the other challenge is that you have to map every square centimetre - even uninteresting parts, like on the debris field you have to map mud, but you need this to fill in between all these interesting objects."
    Parks Stephenson, a Titanic analyst, was "blown away" by the new scans.
    "It allows you to see the wreck as you can never see it from a submersible, and you can see the wreck in its entirety, you can see it in context and perspective. And what it's showing you now is the true state of the wreck," he said.
    Stephenson said the new scans might reveal new secrets behind the maritime disaster 111 years ago.

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    Of considerable interest (to some) is the clear image of Titanic's serial number on the prop.


    401

    Titanic's serial number - 401
    Olympic's serial number - 400

    The conspiracy theory that it was the Olympic that sank not the Titanic (for insurance purposes) was eliminated when Titanic's original serial number was discovered stamped on the wreck's keel. Now here it is on the prop, too. That should now seal it.

    For any interested in Titanic and the conspiracy surrounding the sinking, there's a deep-dive thread on it here-

    The "Titanic Conspiracy" – A Complete Analysis
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    700,000 photos were taken to create this 3D scan. This excellent news report shows some great footage of the Titanic.


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    is it true that Rothschilds' main rivals for the creation of debt slavery were killed on the boat?

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Of considerable interest (to some) is the clear image of Titanic's serial number on the prop.


    401

    Titanic's serial number - 401
    Olympic's serial number - 400

    The conspiracy theory that it was the Olympic that sank not the Titanic (for insurance purposes) was eliminated when Titanic's original serial number was discovered stamped on the wreck's keel. Now here it is on the prop, too. That should now seal it.

    For any interested in Titanic and the conspiracy surrounding the sinking, there's a deep-dive thread on it here-

    The "Titanic Conspiracy" – A Complete Analysis
    I don’t know if these two sister ships were switched or not, but question: Wouldn’t it have been a simple enough process to take the prop or props from the Titanic and put them on the Olympic? And vice versa.

    If the ships were switched, and if “they” were serious about avoiding detection, it strikes me that, some how and in some way, exchanging serial numbers would be something one would do.

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    I don’t know if these two sister ships were switched or not, but question: Wouldn’t it have been a simple enough process to take the prop or props from the Titanic and put them on the Olympic? And vice versa.
    Definitely not. First reason being, the starboard and port propellers of Titanic lay at a different pitch to Olympic. And secondly, Titanic's central propeller had a wider bore. The prop assemblies were not interchangeable.

    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    If the ships were switched, and if “they” were serious about avoiding detection, it strikes me that, some how and in some way, exchanging serial numbers would be something one would do.
    It couldn't be done on the props as outlined. Several other parts of the wreck have been photographed with Titanic's serial number stamped onto them - and items recovered from the debris field. One was a gear shaft, from inside one of the watertight doors. We aren't talking linen here or items of crockery, but internal mechanisms. It would've been entirely impractical to remove and refit such items (no one would ever see them), much too time-consuming, and very expensive. The entire basis of the conspiracy was that White Star did it to cut corners and save money. A switch flies in the face of both.

    Everything's laid in the this thread, every detail about the Titanic conspiracy. It think I showed with this research that the swap theory was impossible, and that Titanic was deliberately sunk.
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    Quote Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
    is it true that Rothschilds' main rivals for the creation of debt slavery were killed on the boat?
    No.

    First reason being, the so-called rivals, namely John Jacob Astor, Isidor Straus, and Benjamin Guggenheim, weren't murdered. They died. On a sinking ship. They had every opportunity to save themselves by stepping into a lifeboat. That is well documented. In each case they gave up their seats. They could easily have saved themselves, but didn't. They chose to sacrifice themselves for the good of others.

    Second is, proposals for the Federal Reserve did not coming into being until late 1913, nearly eighteen months after Astor, Strauss, Guggenheim were dead.

    Third reason, for the conspiracy to be true, all three said rivals would have to have been coerced or persuaded to book passage on the fateful voyage. But none of the men were invited on board.
    • Astor was a late booking. He'd been travelling in Europe. His wife was pregnant at the time (depicted in Cameron's movie) and he was bringing her back home to America for medical reasons.
    • Guggenheim only booked passage on Titanic because the Lusitania, which he'd booked originally, was temporarily out of service and undergoing repairs. Cunard had transferred all Lusitania passengers to the smaller Carmania, but Guggenheim elected to travel on Titanic because it was faster and much more luxurious.
    • Strauss was simply travelling home after spending the winter in Cape Martin, France. Archibald Gracie later testified that Strauss refused a berth in a lifeboat (his right as a first class passenger). He was a gentlemen, and like Astor gave up his seat so that others could live. Ida, his wife, then got out of the lifeboat herself, to stay behind with her husband. Both went down with the ship.

    Third reason. For JP Morgan to have 'arranged the sinking', he'd have to know long in advance that stray pack ice would float as far south as the Grand Banks (very very rare for April), and then intersect the shipping lanes to be at the right place at the right time, to lie directly, perfectly, in Titanic's path for it to strike.

    Fourth reason. There are no records to imply that Astor, Strauss, Guggenheim opposed the Federal Reserve. None. The only prominent person to oppose its formation was Charles Lindbergh. And he was not 'got rid of' (lived safe and happy until 1924).

    And there are others, like a whole host of lies, misconceptions and skewed facts that when scrutinized thoroughly dissembles this so-called conspiracy. It the end it doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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    Impressive reply, thankyou.

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    Miles Mathis offers up a totally different take, in his usual way, suspecting the whole thing as being another staged event, with some of the big guys staging their own deaths.
    http://mileswmathis.com/titan.pdf
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    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    Miles Mathis offers up a totally different take, in his usual way, suspecting the whole thing as being another staged event, with some of the big guys staging their own deaths.
    http://mileswmathis.com/titan.pdf
    Different take as in alternate reality! His claims are absurd. And I say that in the gentlest way. Conspiracies exist, and all over the place. But there's such a thing as a fake conspiracy. There are plenty of those muddying the waters. See here.

    His data is bad. Very bad. Just for starters he says

    Quote For instance, we are told that Lloyd's of London insured the Titanic, and had to pay out around 10million dollars just for the lost ship. That is according to the Denver Post, 1912. But that same article states Lloyd's only had $15 million on deposit, so they just lost 2/3rd of their value. They should have been devastated, but apparently weren't, so something doesn't add up here
    Of course it doesn't add up, because it's wrong.

    The article he cites, from the Denver Post, was published just one day after the disaster. Complex stories take a long time to unravel, in the case of Titanic it took months of investigation, legal wranglings, and two inquests (one in the US, one in the UK) to sort everything out. The financial reality was that Titanic's worth was placed at a total of $8million (the ship, aggregated property loss, and cargo) but it was only insured for $5million. This was a huge financial loss -- for White Star! (and he says it was sunk deliberately!). No, White Star lost out big time. It's why they went under. It ruined them!

    He also claims Astor survived and went into hiding. But they recovered his body! It was positively identified, photographed, autopsied, and returned to New York by train for burial. His personal effects, including initialed gold watch was delivered to his son, and he wore it for the rest of his life.

    His narrative here is carried by pure invention, while omitting documented facts that inconveniently contradict him. This is a researcher? Maybe he wants it to be true because it upholds his pet theory that the evil cabal were responsible. They weren't. The Titanic disaster was, broadly speaking, a tragic but avoidable accident. Some people are unable to accept that accidents can actually happen without any skulduggery involved.

    The Titanic conspiracy is provably fake. Which makes it unique. It serves as a barometer of someone's credentials. If you find a conspiracy researcher endorsing it, then you know that this is their standard of research (awful) - or worse, it tells you they are MORE interested in clicks than they are in TRUTH.
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