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    Hi all

    Just watched a video about a time traveller called John Titor. A very interesting video and story. Just wondering what you guys think of the story and posibillities.

    http://youtu.be/aZQu7j-sWd0

    Was going to buy the book to read more of the story but it £160 from amazon is way above my means and looking for a pdf has not been fruitful.

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    aaahhh, the John Titor story. This has been around for a long time.....very interesting. You can find more here:

    http://www.johntitor.com/

    I'd have to read up, as it's been awhile since I've gone over his posts. I will say I agree with him on one thing...he is a time traveler as most of us are, which is why many E.T.'s come to Earth as this planet is living in the past.

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    Cool. Here's also another great interview by Randy Maugans with the guy - Anonymous - who wrote the book about John Titor ''Convictions of a Time Traveller''
    Really worth listening to.
    http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/tag/john-titor

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    Don't know if this is real or not but thought I'd share....

    https://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/johntitortv
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    I looked into that story quite a while back, and while fascinating, I chose not to believe it as a fully real story.

    The one thing that made me question his story the most was a photo he produced of his time machine creating a field that could bend light, he demonstrated this with a handheld laser where the beam was "bent".

    It was a pretty good photo but if it was indeed bending light it would have bent all (or a lot more) of the light in the photo - not just the laser's beam, as the photo showed. So I concluded the photo was a hoax, which left me with an interesting tale, but one that might make people think a little bit at least ...

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    well it maybe interesting to keep an eye on for predictions and the like....
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    Quote Posted by K.W.B (here)
    well it maybe interesting to keep an eye on for predictions and the like....
    Many of the predictions already have not come true. But one has to also consider that making a prediction / prophecy can change a timeline
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    I'm a big fan of the John Titor story.
    I'm also a big fan of "the why files".

    If you've never delved into John Titor this is a great primer.
    And even if you're familiar with the story this is extremely well done, entertaining and very likely to teach you something you didn't already know regarding the story.


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    Jean-Claude, Jsnip4, and Penny Kelly discuss John Titor as a main topic early in this 2 hour discussion:


    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1sx6k2
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    One thing to consider about the story is as follows - individual(s) from highly dystopian timelines would be more motivated to travel to the past for some reason than those from Utopian timelines. Another, is that there is a logical inconsistency between timeline divergence, and going to the past to change the timeline - but - there is the potential to remedy this inconsistency if you consider the timelines all flowing together as part of a larger whole, and THIS larger whole is what the time traveller is returning to the past to have an effect on.

    Think about it - if we experienced a reality where the worst predictions did not come to pass, then a simple interpretation suggests only the two given timelines, our own and the one described by Titor. But a more complex interpretation might suggest that the timeline group of Utopian timelines relatively increased in probability, while the timeline group of dystopian timelines decreased. This allows Titor's described future to still exist, but with less probability ascribed to it than before.

    More broadly - imagine simulation theory as a computational system beginning with a Big Bang and ending with a Big Crunch. Think of is as a highly sophisticated data transfer, but with the information being synthesized on-the-fly through the computation of the timeline (and broadening of dimensions/densities).

    Contrary to scientific opinion related to physics theories in this area (like Many Worlds), there is not necessarily a rapid increase in the number of parallel realities in the short moments following the Big Bang. Why? - because it would not be efficient to extract the needed information from so many realities. Parallel realities instead follow a logical mapping that is related to the nature of the information desired to be synthesized, and this is most closely related to the propagation of intelligent life and the interactions between intelligent beings.

    Reverse engineering of this logical mapping is what allows for unlocking the sense of a different axis of time, other than the linear form of time we seem uniformly obsessed with today. This other axis of time has to do instead with the "progress bar" of sufficient synthesized information passing from inside to the outside of the simulation.

    In other words, hacking into this system can allow us to accelerate this progress bar, something we might be tempted to do if we can see this system for what it is, and wish to hasten this progress in order to reduce the dissonance present within the simulation.

    To bring this back to the initial point of the discussion, time travellers from the future will understand these concepts, and how their "dark branch" of the timeline can be made an outlier and not the main tributary feeding back to the ocean, through manipulation of the branching effect and the real triggers behind these branches (which are not yet well understood by the quantum physicists of today).

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    Quote Posted by triquetra (here)
    One thing to consider about the story is as follows - individual(s) from highly dystopian timelines would be more motivated to travel to the past for some reason than those from Utopian timelines. Another, is that there is a logical inconsistency between timeline divergence, and going to the past to change the timeline - but - there is the potential to remedy this inconsistency if you consider the timelines all flowing together as part of a larger whole, and THIS larger whole is what the time traveller is returning to the past to have an effect on.

    Think about it - if we experienced a reality where the worst predictions did not come to pass, then a simple interpretation suggests only the two given timelines, our own and the one described by Titor. But a more complex interpretation might suggest that the timeline group of Utopian timelines relatively increased in probability, while the timeline group of dystopian timelines decreased. This allows Titor's described future to still exist, but with less probability ascribed to it than before.

    More broadly - imagine simulation theory as a computational system beginning with a Big Bang and ending with a Big Crunch. Think of is as a highly sophisticated data transfer, but with the information being synthesized on-the-fly through the computation of the timeline (and broadening of dimensions/densities).

    Contrary to scientific opinion related to physics theories in this area (like Many Worlds), there is not necessarily a rapid increase in the number of parallel realities in the short moments following the Big Bang. Why? - because it would not be efficient to extract the needed information from so many realities. Parallel realities instead follow a logical mapping that is related to the nature of the information desired to be synthesized, and this is most closely related to the propagation of intelligent life and the interactions between intelligent beings.

    Reverse engineering of this logical mapping is what allows for unlocking the sense of a different axis of time, other than the linear form of time we seem uniformly obsessed with today. This other axis of time has to do instead with the "progress bar" of sufficient synthesized information passing from inside to the outside of the simulation.

    In other words, hacking into this system can allow us to accelerate this progress bar, something we might be tempted to do if we can see this system for what it is, and wish to hasten this progress in order to reduce the dissonance present within the simulation.

    To bring this back to the initial point of the discussion, time travellers from the future will understand these concepts, and how their "dark branch" of the timeline can be made an outlier and not the main tributary feeding back to the ocean, through manipulation of the branching effect and the real triggers behind these branches (which are not yet well understood by the quantum physicists of today).
    Trike I'm much less interested in the theoretical aspects of all this than I am the comparison of Titor's described series of events leading to a civil war compared to our own events that seem to be progressing towards the same end results. This seems to be occurring regardless of certain bench marks not occurring at the same time or on the same years or even the same decades.

    Are we currently on the same path leading to what happened in John Titor's reality?

    That is the question.
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    I should clarify that the Many Worlds interpretation is very close, but does not make a distinction between the lower and upper bounds of various grades of infinity, as suggested by the work of Georg Cantor. A computational engine running this simulation would not be capable of coping with a number of parallel realities approaching the more transfinite grades of infinities, but can cope with a lower grade of infinity without issue. This is hard to explain without more existing available resources discussing restrictions on the combinatorial potentials of quantum states across the universe.

    But if you think about it, it will probably make intuitive sense. If every possible branching of the universe actually took place, the number of parallel universes would rapidly approach the cardinal infinity in the set theory of infinities, and computational efficiency would grind to a halt. There must be some kind of restricting element on this effect, for Many Worlds to make practical sense.

    This is remedied if you think of these parallel worlds as occupying the same computational space wherever possible, and only their divergences being computed separately from one another. This means that one parallel reality is nearly a perfect "blanket" of another, with only the divergences as folds and bends that occupy unique computational space.

    This is remedied further if you then consider what types of constraints or restrictions might be applied on the generation of these "folds and bends" that represent divergences of the parallel simulation space, as well as if you entertain the possibility of convergences or interchanges occurring as well - "cross-pollenation" of consciousness that can cause the Mandella Effect.

    In the first case, the best way to think about constraints and restrictions on the branching of parallel universes is to consider the probability of will. Consider occasions when we are completely torn deciding between one option and another, versus all the moments in our lives when we might possibly have chosen something different to what we chose, but did not. This "choice point matrix" is an important variable for controlling against limitless expansion of parallel universes, and only those choice point crossroads which indicate value towards the accumulation of information from within the simulation to outside of it are ultimately kept alive to run in parallel in the long term. Others fold back into the timelines they came from.

    In the second case, timelines that have diverged for longer than a trivial amount of time converge as well, and consciousnesses from the branches that had gravitated to each are then mixed together. It is fairly rare that timelines are mixed that have extremely memorable differences, though not unheard of (a recent one I personally came across, was the memory of the *birth* rate skewing more heavily towards females than males, but in this timeline only the *standing* rate does - in this timeline the birth rate skews towards males slightly, and I remember this being the opposite, with the standing rate skewing even more strongly)

    It is inevitable that once these concepts begin becoming clear (we can only wait until the world advances, outliers never have much of a strong effect when presenting information that does not entirely originate from the simple linear understanding of the timeline), we would then be able to leverage our understanding in ways that seem implausible today.

    More interestingly, however, there appear to be wildcards in the mix that allow for kinds of interactions between the simulators and those being simulated that were never expected, and that is the (synthesized from the inside) timeline group we are moving towards. Will need to explain more in a different context than this in the near future.

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    I've been back an forth with the Titor story, inclined to believe it then inclined to reject it. I'm tentatively back on it, but it has not formed bedrock belief, similar to how Jane Bürgermeister did not form bedrock belief for me in 2010. Two things I remember that John Titor said, paraphrasing from memory: "In the future you know where you food comes from", and: "In the future we're plagued with CJD".

    When this was originally released, CJD was a scare because farm food was made from corpses, and we had CJD in the news. A couple of years ago I saw reports of CJD spot checks suggesting CJD might be on the increase... straight after the after the you-know-what -<===||=. I haven't heard much more about this since then, so possibly it was nothing, but it got me noticing CJD again - that it wasn't just a flash in the pan back when Titor was speaking about it. If CJD is a side-effect or not CJD rates have been creeping up so one for Titor's side and I can't shake that off.


    Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease deaths and age-adjusted death rate, United States, 1979–2020*

    https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cjd/occur...nsmission.html



    *Deaths obtained from multiple cause-of-death data include all forms of human prion disease and are based on ICD-9 and ICD-10 codes and available computerized literal death certificate data. Some modifications have been made to these data based on relevant information obtained from other surveillance mechanisms. Rates are adjusted to the US standard 2000 projected population.

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    I've been back an forth with the Titor story, inclined to believe it then inclined to reject it. I'm tentatively back on it, but it has not formed bedrock belief, similar to how Jane Bürgermeister did not form bedrock belief for me in 2010. Two things I remember that John Titor said, paraphrasing from memory: "In the future you know where you food comes from", and: "In the future we're plagued with CJD".

    When this was originally released, CJD was a scare because farm food was made from corpses, and we had CJD in the news. A couple of years ago I saw reports of CJD spot checks suggesting CJD might be on the increase... straight after the after the you-know-what -<===||=. I haven't heard much more about this since then, so possibly it was nothing, but it got me noticing CJD again - that it wasn't just a flash in the pan back when Titor was speaking about it. If CJD is a side-effect or not CJD rates have been creeping up so one for Titor's side and I can't shake that off.


    Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease deaths and age-adjusted death rate, United States, 1979–2020*

    https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cjd/occur...nsmission.html



    *Deaths obtained from multiple cause-of-death data include all forms of human prion disease and are based on ICD-9 and ICD-10 codes and available computerized literal death certificate data. Some modifications have been made to these data based on relevant information obtained from other surveillance mechanisms. Rates are adjusted to the US standard 2000 projected population.
    Some good points but his future is still ten or fifteen years out which is a lot of time in terms of cjd becoming a known thing.
    Also, and I'm just throwing this out there off the top of my head.
    We are right now dealing with vaccine damage.
    Is it possible for the cover story to explain away vaccine damage could be mad cow?
    Just thinking out loud.
    That would kill two birds with one stone for the elite since they want us off of beef anyway.

    Also,,,,,
    While thinking out loud,,,
    And this is a bit of a downer.
    Lots of food processing or rather meat processing companies are sending their meat to be processed in china.
    Word around the camp fire is China is sending back processed human flesh on occasion.
    Apparently it's tougher to distinguish when it's processed and sent via cooked patties and such.

    Could the mad cow actually be from committing the cringey crime of cannibalism???
    The elite would love to do this via their satanic ways.
    Man
    Screw ever eating fast food again

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    Those thoughts also crossed my mind, but I wonder at the quality of any processed meat from anywhere in the world... I have a horrible feeling it might be more general

    I found the post-vaccine CJD thing I was talking about, here it is:

    CJD surveillance system noted common symptoms during some recent referrals
    Cause unknown

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    Trike I'm much less interested in the theoretical aspects of all this than I am the comparison of Titor's described series of events leading to a civil war compared to our own events that seem to be progressing towards the same end results. This seems to be occurring regardless of certain bench marks not occurring at the same time or on the same years or even the same decades.

    Are we currently on the same path leading to what happened in John Titor's reality?

    That is the question.
    That post was not intended to appear as theoretical, but instead to suggest the amount of motivation people from that kind of branch of timelines would have to go back and alter the course of the meta-timeline, even if doing so had no effect on the timeline they were going to return to after they were done.

    However, you have indeed hit the nail on the head, if what you mean is that despite events not playing out in that same way as he described, we might be getting pulled in the direction of that darker group of timelines a bit later than things went on his timeline.

    What you're getting towards is that this might be a constant struggle that is happening behind the veil of the world we perceive, and the many actors involved are also hidden for the most part. What I can say now is that we definitely can play a role in this if we are able to piece together the puzzle, and in so doing know how to achieve a significant effect on the outcome.

    In other words, it's not over yet, but if those who are working to prevent the timeline from going in the direction of Titor's timeline were to lay down and give up, then things certainly might end up going that way.
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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    Trike I'm much less interested in the theoretical aspects of all this than I am the comparison of Titor's described series of events leading to a civil war compared to our own events that seem to be progressing towards the same end results. This seems to be occurring regardless of certain bench marks not occurring at the same time or on the same years or even the same decades.

    Are we currently on the same path leading to what happened in John Titor's reality?

    That is the question.
    That post was not intended to appear as theoretical, but instead to suggest the amount of motivation people from that kind of branch of timelines would have to go back and alter the course of the meta-timeline, even if doing so had no effect on the timeline they were going to return to after they were done.

    However, you have indeed hit the nail on the head, if what you mean is that despite events not playing out in that same way as he described, we might be getting pulled in the direction of that darker group of timelines a bit later than things went on his timeline.

    What you're getting towards is that this might be a constant struggle that is happening behind the veil of the world we perceive, and the many actors involved are also hidden for the most part. What I can say now is that we definitely can play a role in this if we are able to piece together the puzzle, and in so doing know how to achieve a significant effect on the outcome.

    In other words, it's not over yet, but if those who are working to prevent the timeline from going in the direction of Titor's timeline were to lay down and give up, then things certainly might end up going that way.
    I'm a compare and contrast kind of guy.
    2005 was a weird year for me.
    It was this year I discovered both John Titor and Billy Meier.

    Both of these men have data that correlate incredibly well.
    They both say there will be a civil war in the United States and that it will break up into five separate territories.
    Hearing this in 05' caused me to laugh my a$$ off when I heard this.
    Married couples could be of differing political opinions and no big deal.
    But as time went on it appears not so outlandish.

    I personally don't believe in this power of intent change the world bullsh!t.
    I believe in pragmatically viewing the variables to see what is truly going on, not what I want to see going on.
    Just my take.
    But more power to those who wish to pray for a better outcome.
    I just don't like folks accusing me of destroying the world for acknowledging a trajectory I see us going on.

    As of right now I think and feel it is likely that the United States will indeed enter a civil war and that the world at large may indeed enter into a limited world war 3 of sorts.

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    Agreed, I also believe power of intent (on its own) is kind of a smoke screen preventing those who might have a real impact from learning how they can actually affect change. The real value of the power of intent is only to open a door, a door that is difficult to describe, but I will try to explain it anyway below.

    I will also say that many people do not study esoteric topics enough to learn how to actually affect change at the level I am talking about. They interpret reality in a very literal, black and white way, and that is something that has been (both genetically and culturally) taught to us. That limited of an understanding of reality is not our true nature, but remembering this means waging a war on hidden forces that try to push as many of us as possible back into the monotony of day-to-day life. In that life, we only affect our immediate surroundings.

    I believe in taking direct action, but I have learned that there are hidden channels of action that can plant seeds which grow in ways that are difficult to explain at a surface level. The reason for this is that we will each ultimately end up decoding the real nature of reality in a different way than others who take this same course of action, and what we decode is for the most part quite difficult to explain directly - instead we need to "paint a circle around" what we have discovered. This is no coincidence, we are battling against the deeply engrained limitations of our languages that has lasted since the "confusion of tongues" many thousands of years ago. Languages prior to then would have been able to discuss such matters more easily. But we cannot even fathom what languages like that might have been like - only ancient symbolism like the alignment of megaliths to stars, the solstices and equinoxes give us a hint of what that type of communication was like.

    Nonetheless, if we want to take off the hat of perpetual fear and paranoia about the future and dig a bit deeper into what we can actually do to change things, in a way that is beyond the surface level of direct action in 3D (but is another, much more potent form of direct action instead), the door is open to each of us.
    Last edited by triquetra; 20th November 2022 at 09:54.

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