The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us

[bogeyman]

Posted by wynderer (here)
unfortunately, Bogey, the ETs in control of this planet do not have much interest in communicating w/Humans, whom they consider primitive & undeveloped -- most of their communication w/individual Humans happens during abductions , including those of milabs

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

It could be they are communicating on some higher level with us? In general man isn't very spirituality advanced, so maybe they seek out certain people?

[wynderer]

[pls know that all my posts re this subject are imo/from my experience posts -- i hope i am not coming off as thinking i have all the answers]

the ETs controlling this planet are not spiritually advanced, imo -- technologically advanced, yes, & the Reptilians mentally advanced [highly highly intelligent] -- & it's because of their interference on this planet that Humans are as unevolved as you are

your 'maybe they seek out certain people? ' --- this relates to hybrids -- the Reptilians seem to like to abduct [for interaction, not for food] those w/a lot of Reptilian DNA -- technically that makes us hybrids -- most of us do not know that we carry these genes/are hybrids

i have had 3 recruitment offers from the Reptilians -- had i accepted, likely i would have started meeting hybrids who very well know who they are -- these are the ones who tend to get power in this world -- $$, fame, political office, etc [not saying all those who have $$, fame etc are hybrids -- just some]

Posted by bogeyman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
unfortunately, Bogey, the ETs in control of this planet do not have much interest in communicating w/Humans, whom they consider primitive & undeveloped -- most of their communication w/individual Humans happens during abductions , including those of milabs

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

It could be they are communicating on some higher level with us? In general man isn't very spirituality advanced, so maybe they seek out certain people?

[wynderer]

Kristen , a bit more re the OZ mind control pattern/program

i was thinking of asking Paul or someone to put our posts in another thread re MKULTRA programming -- tho i think they like to use those of us w/Rep DNA, so this kind of ties into hybrids -- also a kind of spinoff of MKUltra are the attempts to make 'enhanced' Humans, like Duncan & Miranda

i'd love to see the mil/intel files on us -- bet we could learn a lot

wyn

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm

WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL

CHAPTER 5 SCIENCE NO. 5 - THE SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT

The rule of thumb that the programmers/handlers go by is that they will say anything to get the job done. A CIA handler will tell his agent in the field whatever will work to get the field agent’s cooperation on a mission. There is no height nor breadth nor length to these people’s deception. They have successfully kept some deceptions active for decades, if not for centuries.

THE USE OF FICTION

The history behind the Wizard of Oz programming is interesting. It suggests that the Wizard of Oz has had an important part in the occult world all along. One of the secrets of the Mystery Religions, especially the Egyptian Isis mystery religion was the ability to use drugs and torture to create multiple personalities. The word Oz is known to have been used by its author as an abbreviation for Osirus. Monarch victims have the “golden penis of Osirus” placed into them. The Grimm brothers, who were cabalistic jews, gathered the folk occult stories together. Their stories are full of spells, trances, and drugs. Sleeping Beauty is put to sleep, and the trigger to wake her is a kiss on the lips. These are serious hints that the occult world didn’t stop programming people with dissociative states and triggers when the ancient Egyptian empires fell. Instead of using modern lingo such as “hypnotize”, they would say “cast a spell.” Later in Freemasonry, the Right Worshipful Master would “charge” (meaning hypnotize) an initiate. The occultist Baum, a member of the Theosophical Society, was inspired by some spirit who gave him the “magic key” to write the Wizard of Oz book, which came out in 1900. The book’s story is full of satanic activity and satanic thinking. The story was chosen in the late 1940s to be the basis for the Illuminati/Intelligence community’s trauma-based total mind control programming. As a way of enhancing the effect of the programming, Monarch slaves are conditioned to place trigger items into their lives. When the movie was made, Judy Garland, who had lived a life touched by the occult world’s abuse, was chosen to act as Dorothy. Judy’s later husband, Mickey De Vinko was a satanist and the chief assistant to Roy Radin, a rich satanist who worked with the Illuminati, and who controlled the “Process church” covens which had as members mass murderers Berkowitz and Monarch slave Charlie Manson. There are several members of the Carr family, who are also tied into both De Vinko and Radin’s Process Church and the Illuminati. With the numerous long term connections between the Wizard of Oz books, and movie to the highest levels of the occult world, it is not without reason that one can theorize that the original series of 14 Oz books had an ulterior motive behind them. The 14 books of the Oz series are: 1) The Wizard of Oz, 2) The Land of Oz, 3) Ozma of Oz, 4) Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz, 5) The Road to Oz, 6) The Emerald City of Oz, 7) The Patchwork Girl of Oz, 8) Tik-tok of Oz, 9) The Scarecrow of Oz, 10) Rinkitink in Oz, 11) The Lost Princess of Oz, 12) The Tinman Woodsman of Oz, 13) The Magic of Oz, 14) Glinda of Oz. These books are still being sold, and are being read to children who are being programmed with trauma-based total mind control. The 14 books came out in various editions. The originals came out in 1900 and shortly thereafter. In the 1930s, the 1940’s, and the 1950’s the words were retype set and given different pages. (When working with a survivor it might help to identify what decade the edition the slave was programmed with, because the pictures and the page numbers varied from edition to edition.) Of course, having good pictures is an asset in programming, because the child will visualize off of the pictures when building its internal world. In addition to this, large Wizard of Oz theme parks are being built by the Illuminati to provide places to carry out programming and to reinforce the programming which traps the minds of Monarch slaves. The best example of this, is the audacious MGM Grand complex in Las Vegas, although other theme parks around America also use a Wizard of Oz theme. If you have read Fritz Springmeier’s Be Wise As Serpents you will know how the Theosophical Society ties in with Freemasonry, Satanism, and Lucis Trust. Several famous members of the Theosophical Society include:

[Kristin]

Posted by SEAM (here)
Great response Kristen.
Dolores does make mention (book three - TCU) that there are negative forces involved. She specifically asks the SC (unified field Sub Conscious) about them and she was told that they have permission to access... as in non-interference. She clearly recognizes that there are bad guys involved...And she is told that for the most part (ad-lib from memory) that the bad guys are from the earth plane exclusively....

BUT... she refuses to allow fear into the equation.. She only mentions benevolent beings because she will not give one single iota of energy to the fear side!
I learned a long time ago that when I had a great idea, never to share it.. it disperses the energy, and nullifies the outcome. Thought is energy - a given.
Don't give legs to the wrong energy.. which is the main reason I don't post a lot of my own thoughts here - I know, weird.. but it's my own, and it's served me. I could write a book about my methods of "Zapping".. back to the 70's... but I only have so much in my tank, and I refuse to give you, and you, and you.. a piece of it.

As for the non interference - Whitley Strieber poses the question - Why only at night?! And DC was told that they don't want to interfere with Daily/Family/Work daytime dynamics.

Back to the Fear Equation..... and this is important. I was going to create an individual thread, but this is as good a place as any.


Changing gears here:
What if... again, What if.... as many folks claim... (DC claims it over and over, so you get a feeling of why she only divulges certain things).. That the thoughts we hold inside become the reality outside? We've all talked about this in post after post... Fear porn, et. al... What if, somehow, the Alternative community has been subjugated in the extreme to concentrate on all of these end-of-the-world scenarios, to the benefit of the dark? Maybe, just maybe, we've all been taken over! What if my brother, and my Mother - who have no fears on these topics, are the ones we need to be more like??

If the core belief's of the Sheeple (majority - "Everythings fine") were to manifest the outcome, who's side are we really on?!

I remain, as stated above.. "Jury Out".. for my sake, my families sake, and maybe, just maybe, humanities sake. ....Food for thought, indeed.

For me, this entire Thread, as a majority of all threads here are about this one concrete inescapable subject - FEAR. Every other chapter in the convoluted universe series focuses on the same question.. or as another PA member would ask - Fear - What is it, and how to transcend it?

Unfortunately DC publicly states that they are positive; refusing to look honestly at the negative side is not being responsible in my opinion. I do have a lot of respect for the work she has done, a great deal in fact, yet there needs to be balance for anything to move forward.

As to the idea that evening abductions do not effect the lives of those being abducted... abductions happen during daylight hours too and all abductions interfere with a person's daily life, wether you remember it or not. Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

hi Kristin -- from your post:

'Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin '

since you wrote you worked w/Duncan & Miranda -- i wondered about the deep psychosis thing -- did they help you see that milabs & abductees end up in deeply psychotic states? if so, could you share the nature of the psychosis, or, perhaps, of your individual psychosis, & how Duncan & Miranda helped free you from it?

edit to add: if so, if you suscribe to the psychosis theory, this contradicts the findings of most abduction researchers, who have determined that abductees are generally pretty healthy psychologically

looking forward to your reply, or from anyone who is concerned about the abduction phenomenom /aka 'psychosis?'

[Houman]

On the "false memory syndrome" theory created to hide MKUltra "nefarious experiments"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54324316/F...ation-MK-ULTRA

[wynderer]

Accounting for Stories of Alien Abduction Psychiatrist John Mack shares his convictons [sic] that these reports are 'authentic and disturbing mysteries'

By Deane W. Lord
Gazette Staff

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Estimates vary as to how many individuals have had abduction
experiences. According to a Roper Organization poll, one out of every
50 American adults-- some 3.7 million people indicate that they have
had an encounter with an unidentified flying object or an alien being.

"It is possible that hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of
people in this country alone have undergone abduction experiences,"
said Mack.

Because of the stigma attached to revealing such experiences, he
believes many people remain underground, too ashamed or alarmed to
admit the experience.

"The more prominent the person, the more likely he or she will be
reluctant to come forward as they have more to lose," he said. "Often,
once they seek help, abductees prefer to be diagnosed as crazy."

A well-known psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Mack reports that of the
60 cases he has worked on he has found, -to his surprise, that after a
battery of psychological tests, "no psychiatric or psychosocial
explanation for these reports is evident. These people are not mentally
ill." He has spent countless therapeutic hours with these individuals
only to find that what struck him was the "ordinariness" of the
population, including a restaurant owner, several secretaries, a prison
guard, college students, a university administrator, and several
homemakers.

"The majority of abductees do not appear to be deluded,
confabulating, lying, self-dramatizing, or suffering from a clear
mental illness," he maintained. He has encountered only one person who
showed psychotic features.

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http://www.textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/2000/2726.ufo

and this:
Why the Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically
John Mack, M.D.
...Even psychosocial or cultural explanations, if they were to include all of the major dimensions of the syndrome, would force us to stretch our notions of the collective unconscious to such a degree that the distinctions between psyche and world, internal and external reality, would be obliterated…
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http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/JohnMack.htm

[Kristin]

Posted by wynderer (here)
hi Kristin -- from your post:

'Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin '

since you wrote you worked w/Duncan & Miranda -- i wondered about the deep psychosis thing -- did they help you see that milabs & abductees end up in deeply psychotic states? if so, could you share the nature of the psychosis, or, perhaps, of your individual psychosis, & how Duncan & Miranda helped free you from it?

edit to add: if so, if you suscribe to the psychosis theory, this contradicts the findings of most abduction researchers, who have determined that abductees are generally pretty healthy psychologically

looking forward to your reply, or from anyone who is concerned about the abduction phenomenom /aka 'psychosis?'

Psychosis; From the point of view that I am stemming from: are the implanted ideas and visions (including emotional justifications) of an overlay that betrays the original experience. As Humans, or even partial humans, we are hard wired for dissociation. Any memory that we have has a curve that happens even in real time. You watch an accident, and twelve other witnesses will have a story that partially varies from the original event. This is due to the the complexity and creativity of our own subconscious. We like to "fill in" gaps in our memory in our natural state... thus in a very natural way we can tell a story from beginning to end. Now in abductions, the emotional constitution of the abductee is being compromised from the get go. ie: These gaps become a cul-de-sac where implanted emotions and thoughts can "free range" for the aliens to "add' their own take in any number of ways. This is inclusive of many betrayals. The good news is that the original observance of the event will remain intact for those who wish to find it. Being in the state of the OBSERVER is the point here.

In terms of Miranda and Duncan... I contacted them when I had my proverbial "stuff" together. What was most helpful (and continues being so) is that I have others of my own ilk, or family, that I can depend on to care about what happens to me as I care about them. The work that we are all doing (which we all pay for in very personal ways, and I'm talking about ALL of us) takes a lot of protection and it's about always trying to hone that protection in various ways. We are all learners here, no one knows everything. It is the desire to get a hold on all that is and all that is happening right now in our present moment that drives the force to learn, always. Not one of us is perfect, we are only experiencing what is laid out before us. In this game that is being played out there is a justifiable realization that amongst the many choices that are before us being autonomous and sovereign is the best bet.

There is a lot more to add here... In terms of Hybrids, and I would very much like to talk about that subject... and what I have to say I think would be hopeful even to the worst case scenario. I will simply state this: The more human that a race becomes the more rebellion will instate itself. The more a race combines with our own, the more they are also privy to being individuals and self-thinkers. Imagine a hive mind... all that entails... well that would not be under control of the hive eventually, it is doomed to failure. The "greys" have an agenda. However, their way of thinking is not taking into account that the Hybrids will have their own thoughts, emotions, and subjectivity that they will eventually add to the equation.

In my opinion, the hybrids may in fact be the very best allies that we could hope for. They have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the collective. They also have emotions and and in many ways are like kids that have never had guidance. Children without parenting are looking for rebellion. They also may very well realize that they are being used. Imagine the implications of an entire experiment gone awry? And only because the original host has no clue or template for individual thought. None. Fuel for thought?

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

thanks for response, Kristin

here's the Wiki dictionary definition of 'psychosis':
Psychosis (from the Ancient Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition or derangement) refers to an abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.[2]

& your definition:
'Psychosis; From the point of view that I am stemming from: are the implanted ideas and visions (including emotional justifications) of an overlay that betrays the original experience.'

i read what you wrote as a definition of screen memories -- &. according to John Mack, the accepted definition, as given thru Wiki, does not apply to abductees

some of us don't like being told we're 'crazy,' aka psychotic

[Kristin]

For the sake of having a conversation about abductions... there is no term that describes the "overlay". Perhaps we should use the term Alien Induced Psychosis or AIP. I agree that abductees are not psychotic. Have you read the book that Bill posted earlier By Dr. David M. Jacobs, The Threat? It's is an interesting read.

[wynderer]

sorry-- i can't accept any label of 'psychosis'/'psychotic'

you have suggested you are a milab -- would you like the label of being diagnosed w/ MIP --Military Induced Psychosis?

edit to add: i think abductees/milabs/clones/hybrids all come together as one topic -- if one looks deeply enough --many threads to this web

[Kristin]

Please create a term that you feel comfortable with and we can continue to use that if you like.

[wynderer]

Kristin, i've been hoping you'd follow up on your original post on this thread, below -- & how it ties into hybrids & clones -- a sincere, non-sarcastic, request

Posted by Kristin (here)
Warning to those that are easily triggered, this may not be an easy read.

There was a military program in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York that sought out and abducted children in the early seventies. Entire families were involved. Military and "others" even went into schools and tested these children to find out if they had certain penchants for mind control, remote viewing, kinetic abilities and so on.

Submarines where used to navigate these very deep lakes at night and take these children in where they were then experimented on. Children were strapped to chairs, had strobe lights flared at them through goggles and were put into psychosis while drugs where pumped into their veins to promote splitting and multiple personalities. Some of these children where physically and sexually tortured to ascertain how much pain they could take; those that made it where shipped out into other programs and used as assets for alleged on and off world missions.

Many of the children that where targeted as having gifts and abilities where harvested from families with masonic ties and with connections to politics and Illuminati bloodlines. The number of UFO sightings at this time in that area was off the charts. (To the point where it was regular table conversation.) A great deal of these abductions occurred with the help of the Romulus Military base and with a deal that was struck with the local Romulus Elementary School who allowed access to classrooms by these controllers to test potential children. This was done through an elementary principal who was later fired on child molestation allegations.

The idea that this area of upstate New York was (and perhaps still is) a hotbed for this type of activity is not only tangible, but has witnesses to confirm. I will not open up this dialog as to the source of this information... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information.

[Kristin]

What would you like to know?

[wynderer]

from your original post:

'... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information. '

i'm interested in the 'willing to discuss this subject' & the 'supportive information' bits

not clear to me what you consider the 'subject' to be, & thus very interested in the 'supportive info'

also do not like playing games

[Kristin]

Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

[Kristin]

By supportive I mean the area of New York that you are familiar with. It is important to know that both abductions and Milab experiments were happening in tandem. They are inter-linked.

I assume the subject is in the title, "The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us."

I am not playing any games here.

[wynderer]

LOL -- tho once again i take exception -- i personally am not a 'victim' -- do you accept that label for yourself? -- that 'personal sovereignity' stuff, re which i always think DUH! - are y'all just figuring this out now?

& , are you a milab yourself? or simply provoking in order to gather info? [i know -- typical reaction...]

Posted by Kristin (here)
Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

[Kristin]

Posted by wynderer (here)
LOL -- tho once again i take exception -- i personally am not a 'victim' -- do you accept that label for yourself? -- that 'personal sovereignity' stuff, re which i always think DUH! - are y'all just figuring this out now?

& , are you a milab yourself? or simply provoking in order to gather info? [i know -- typical reaction...]

Posted by Kristin (here)
Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

OK, I see that you are caught on labels... Please find one that suits you and we can continue, if you like.

[wynderer]

Kristin -- one question: Are you a milab?