Jesse Ventura

[norman]

PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?

[daledo]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oDo1hRB87Sk

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[str8thinker]

@norman, P*rateBay closing down browser has been reported elsewhere

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/i...owtopic=168788
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/pirat...browser/580324
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/85...certain-sites/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7001422AAkik7K
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7233350AARxLSO
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6010500AARgw6M

Don't know why this happens; anyone else got ideas about this?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by norman (here)
PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?

Use VUZE:

http://vuze.com

... works perfectly.

[str8thinker]

Thanks for the VUZE tip, Bill.

Let's dispel the BS about what Corexit contains.

At 23:50 into his show, Jesse Ventura states that Corexit (used to clean up the spill) "contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, nickel, zinc, cyanide, chlorinated hydrocarbons." The video even displays this as a list on screen.

This list of nasties finds its way into other articles too:

(Crude) Oil is toxic at 11 parts per million (ppm) while Corexit 9500 at only 2.61 ppm, and Corexit 9527 even less, the EPA calling it an acute health hazard. Corexit also contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, mercury, cyanide, and other heavy metals. Dispersing oil with it increases toxicity 11-fold, suggesting a calamitous looming public health disaster.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/072710Lendman.shtml

But hey! Corexit is a petroleum-based dispersant, totally organic, so why should it contain any of the above, except possibly the last two? Arsenic to zinc are metals, admittedly toxic; cadmium, copper, lead and mercury are additionally classed as "heavy" metals because of their increased atomic weight. You don't need metals to disperse oil. So where did the metals come from?

As we see from the Baltimore Chronicle article, there were two kinds of Corexit used.

According to Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for COREXIT® EC9500A , the Corexit 9500 A dispersant which is being sprayed by the millions of liters from Hercules Transport planes flying over the Deepwater Horizon spill consists of 10 - 30 % light, hydrotreated petroleum distillates; 10 - 30% of a trade secret organic sulfonic acid salt; and 1 - 5% of propylene glycol.

The underwater dispersant, COREXIT® EC9527A , contains 30 - 60% 2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) instead of the petroleum distillates, along with the same two ingredients found in the Corexit 9500 A.

2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) is used mainly in paints and surface coatings (predominantly water based decorative and industrial products), followed by cleaning products (especially degreasing or multi-purpose products) and inks, and as a solvent in hair dyes. The 2-BE in these products is basically all released to the environment, by evaporation in the case of surface coatings and to wastewater streams in most other cases. The OECD estimates that 200,000 to 500,000 tons of 2-BE is produced annually.

The chemical does not bioaccumulate and biodegrades rapidly in sewage treatment plants, and therefore can be commonly found in cleaners advertised as "green". However, there is documented occurrences of groundwater contamination occurring when 2-BE is disposed of in landfills, where it cannot biodegrade as effectively.

Propylene glycol is used mainly in resins (26%) and antifreeze or de-icing fluids (22%), but the US EPA estimates that 18% of the PG used in the US goes into food, drug, and cosmetic uses. Other uses include liquid detergents (11%), pet food (3%), and tobacco (5%). Production in the US and Europe alone exceeds 920,000 tons.

Propylene glycol is so non-toxic that you could eat at least 2 to 13 grams per kg of body weight per day with no observable effects. ( Author's note: a reader has asked us to point out that Ethylene Glycol is also often used in antifreeze products. Ethylene Glycol is poisonous, possibly deadly. )

Organic Sulfonic Acid Salt
The real problem with knowing how hazardous Corexit products might be lies in the confidentiality protection granted to the manufacturers of chemical products. The main active ingredient of the Corexit is given only by its generic chemical name.

Sulfonic acid salts are widely used by the detergents industry. Alkylbenzene sulfonic acids are the most common members of this chemical family, beloved for their low cost, detergent performance, and biodegradability. Here we are talking about truly huge quantities of chemicals produced, used and disposed of annually. For example, over 1 million tons of linear alkylbenzene sulfonic acids (LAS) are produced annually. 78 - 97% of that goes straight into the environment via the wash cycle.

These chemicals are regarded as being of low concern, because they biodegrade very rapidly, especially in wastewater treatment plants. This facade of eco-friendliness masks a more significant issue: many organic sulfonic acid salts are fairly toxic to the aquatic environment, and can be especially disturbing to cell membranes of single-cell and other simple creatures. A 2005 study of dispersant use (German, pdf) for promoting biodegradation in marine oil spills found that the toxic effects of the dispersants may deter the very organisms that are trying to eat up all that nasty spilled oil.

Unfortunately, the US system allows EPA to gain 90% of its funding from oil giants so it will protect them and their associates rather than the people suffering illnesses, having miscarriages and dying from slow-kill toxins in increasing numbers due to aerial spraying of poisons, burning toxic oil and the still gushing oil.

James C Fox, the filmmaker in Louisiana recently interviewed on Intel Hub Radio, released footage evidencing the toxicity. The footage, now on Youtube (below), includes his team collecting water samples on Gulf oil explosion Day 70, before the police state crackdown in the area. Fox's tested samples reveal that just Propylene Glycol from Corexit dispersant in the water is approximately 150 times the toxic level for fish.

The individual who analyzed the samples under anonymity stated, "The level of Corexit in the water is about 150 higher than toxic level for fish... and that's just the Propylene Glycol.

"You do not need to see the oil to be poisoned with Corexit because the Corexit is in the water, not just the oil."

Likewise, you do not need to smell it for it to be poisoning you, as Dr. Mark Sircus urges people to understand.

The water sample tester stated, "People breathing this are going to have problems, "which is why Corexit is banned in other countries.

"It reminds me of after 911 when the EPA told the people at Ground Zero that there was no asbestos in the air when there was."

http://www.waterfiltercanada.com/corexit.htm

You won't find any mention of metals, heavy or otherwise, cyanide or chlorinated hydrocarbons in Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for Corexit 9500. In fact, Nalco issued this statement:

Corexit Ingredients
COREXIT 9500 is the sole product we have been making for Gulf responders since the spill began. Limited quantities of COREXIT 9527 may have been drawn from existing dispersant stockpiles from around the world. COREXIT 9500 does not include the ingredient 2-butoxy ethanol, an ingredient in COREXIT 9527.

Both COREXIT dispersants have been approved by the EPA as part of the National Contingency Plan for treating oil spills.

http://www.nalco.com/news-and-events/4297.htm

So where did Jesse get this info on heavy metals, cyanide and chlorinated hydrocarbons?

From the NCP PRODUCT SCHEDULE NOTEBOOK

The URL for this document comes to you by courtesy of the Prince William Sound Regional Citizens' Advisory Council. (Remember Exxon Valdez? Once bitten, twice shy.)

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Office of Emergency Management Regulatory and Policy Division compiled the National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan (NCP) Product Schedule, as required by the Clean Water Act, the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA 90), and the NCP. This NCP Product Schedule Notebook contains a compilation of product bulletins summarizing technical information and test results for those
products listed on EPA’s NCP Product Schedule.

TECHNICAL PRODUCT BULLETIN #D-1
USEPA, OIL PROGRAM CENTER
ORIGINAL LISTING DATE: MARCH 10, 1978
REVISED LISTING DATE: DECEMBER 18, 1995
“COREXIT® EC9527A”
(formerly COREXIT 9527)

It lists special handling and worker precautions, etc., and right at the end states:

X. ANALYSIS FOR HEAVY METALS, CYANIDE, AND CHLORINATED
HYDROCARBONS
Compound Concentration (ppm)
Arsenic <0.005
Cadmium <0.01
Chromium 1.0
Copper <0.2
Lead <0.1
Mercury <0.003
Nickel <0.1
Zinc 0.1
Cyanide <0.01
Chlorinated Hydrocarbons <0.01

As you can see, these quantities are quite low by comparison, and are listed in exactly the same order as in Jesse's show. So now we know where he got them.

Another fact: the heavier the crude oil, the more contaminant heavy metals it is likely to contain.

Heavy oil is asphaltic and contains asphaltenes and resins. It is "heavy" (dense and viscous) due to the high ratio of aromatics and naphthenes to paraffins (linear alkanes) and high amounts of NSO's (nitrogen, sulfur, oxygen and heavy metals).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_crude_oil

Although Corexit certainly doesn't come out of all this smelling like a rose, I venture to suggest that the crude oil itself leaking out into the Bay of Mexico and along its shores may be a bigger source of heavy metal contamination than the dispersants used to control it.

All this is probably a bit too subtle for Jesse and his intended audience.

[JoshERTW]

Thanks for this

[Teakai]

Here's the Jesse Ventura conspiracy theory Pentagon episode for anyone interested:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s

Have just started watching it myself.
Both Jesse and Alex Jones seem surprised that it got to air - so watch it while you can in case you tube try to remove it.

[onawah]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Q

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Q

Ventura is THE MAN on TV!!
(I hope this wasn't posted already.)

[irishspirit]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-vyBYmv3bwY

[jimmer]

I watched it.
As fun and provocative as this show is, it's content and findings
are many times a stretch and a real leap (not supported by hard facts/evidence).
As a rebuttal to the show's Pentagon findings that 'this couldn't happen, that couldn't happen,' read this investigation into the on-the-ground facts:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

it's years old, but hard facts don't shift over time.
teaser: over 60 airline passenger bodies were retrieved and returned to their families...

[Eligos]

Two things to consider:
No holes where the alleged engines impacted the Pentagon wall
As stated by numerous pilots, physically impossible to maneuver the plane at such an angle of descent.

[Satori]

Jimmer:
You've been duped if you believe that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Respectfully.

[Carmody]

Posted by jimmer (here)
I watched it.
As fun and provocative as this show is, it's content and findings
are many times a stretch and a real leap (not supported by hard facts/evidence).
As a rebuttal to the show's Pentagon findings that 'this couldn't happen, that couldn't happen,' read this investigation into the on-the-ground facts:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

it's years old, but hard facts don't shift over time.
teaser: over 60 airline passenger bodies were retrieved and returned to their families...

As well, we don't have any real evidence of 60 bodies being returned. We have a statement that 60 bodies have been returned. That's it. Nothing more.

As well, virtually nothing of the plane remained. It is therefore incredibly unlikely that anything above a mushy paste/stain of any human being survived any pentagon impact. DNA swabbing of the odd meatish/bone bit is about the only option there. Returning bodies would be impossible, in my estimation, if indeed a 747 sized plane hit the pentagon.

Recall or know for the first time that the people in the Pentagon who died, were..for the most part..the independent accounting team that was brought in to find and account for the missing $2.2 Trillion that Donald Rumsfeld had admitted (at a special news conference) the loss and loss of tracking on..the day before, on Sept 10, 2001. Standing behind him (and I believe he took the microphone as well) was the Comptroller (who was responsible for the money and the allocation) of the Pentagon, an Ordained Rabbi and dual citizen of the US and Isreal.. Dov Zakheim.

"During the 2000 U.S. Presidential election campaign, Zakheim served as a foreign policy advisor to George W. Bush as part of a group led by Condoleezza Rice that called itself The Vulcans."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim

(Yo, just so you know, the Vulcans were the so-called 'original gods'. In the modern context, these would be the Pagan Gods.)

Missing $2.2 trillion, hmmm? How does one loose track of $2.2 Trillion?

And the untraceable plane....just happens to kill the accounting team and destroy all the records.

Fancy that.

[Arpheus]

Show me the bodies and then i may consider that there were actually any bodies?The pentagon is the most blatant of many of the lies we have been told about that dreadful day.

[Carmody]

The pentagon strike bears all the marks of being a hastily erected and carried out plan, one that may have been put into action at the last minute as this thing at the Twin towers took place. As if the white house crew acted on the situation that they had planned out, that had multiple situations and conditions going on all simultaneously. Don't for get the what was it, 11-13 floors of sub-basement that had, over the years, turned into a gold holding secure facility, and how many $billions in bullion were down there? etc. The heavy trucks found in the tower tunnels, and one (or was it a few?) gold bar found in one empty truck. Ie, the gold left the night before.

And the Pentagon crew or faction watched this whole thing going on, and their hands being fully tied as their situation (involvement and forces) was being run by Cheney from the war room at the white house. So they get a plane up in the air and take care of the accounting situation.

According to the timing of the three impacts, this scenario is entirely possible.

[onawah]

Ventura was only able to scratch the surface of all the evidence of a 911 conspiracy, but it was amazing that he got that much on TV in the US at all. Let's hope it has an impact and gets the ball rolling for a 911 disclosure That would be a great step...

[jimmer]

"The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered
and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived
the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families."

here's the link to the forensic, documented evidence summary
of the pentagon flight 77 incident. let your computer read this to you.
it's as detailed as a 'summary' should be. lots of eyewitnesses, lots of aftermath
details that just won't be there if this was a set-up.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...videncesummary

you can say they are lying, but this kind of summary is factually documented.
what hard documentation do the truthers have to back-up their theories?
and I don't mean experts saying things can't happen. I mean, what factual,
on-the-ground hard evidence is there that it was a missile, etc.?

be sure to review page 2 of this report. included the serpentine flight path diagram that
indicates that a missile could not have caused all the peripheral (light pole, vehicle) damage.

and lastly, check out these extremely low fly-bys of full size passenger airlines.
it's crazy, possible to do and the music is pretty good, too.

[Carmody]

you can say they are lying, but this kind of summary is factually documented.
what hard documentation do the truthers have to back-up their theories?
and I don't mean experts saying things can't happen. I mean, what factual,
on-the-ground hard evidence is there that it was a missile, etc.?

Yet they cannot show us one credible image of a plane, and image of a flight or a single component that resembles that of a full size liner, in any credible way.

This tends to put lie to the idea that we have the forensics of 'flight 77', in hand.


it's not an impasse either, not a 'tie', either. No.

The level of fraud going on in the entire package, the circumstantial evidence surrounding every leading situation, that led into that day, all that happened that day and all that happened afterward. Well, all of that makes it impossible for a reasoning person to do nothing but do their best to find the lie behind the forensic reports. For if that is their sole piece of 'decent' evidence for that day, then they have nothing.

We are talking about the loss of the understanding of the"location, history, and the use" of older and higher valued dollars than now, by a great percentage..an amount of approximately $2,200,000,000,000.00 .....and the money..the money..is the smaller part of it, by a huge margin. It is only an evidence trail that leads to something far more potent. A forenseic report that would take, at most a few million $ at most, to put together and put in place. In the face of something that makes the missing 2.2 trillion dollars look like a joke. How far would they go? Far, far further than you have seen, so far.

What they DO have is a forensics report that will work well enough, well enough for convincing those who are afraid of the conclusions -if it is shown to be a fabrication. THOSE people will do their best to believe in that piece of evidence as they can't psychologically -or- emotionally face the ramifications of the report being a fabrication.

This is the history of false flag attacks, and that sort of thing has been going on for millennia.

In essence, you don't have hard evidence, you have something in your hand that goes against the entire trail of evidence and circumstance that surround: the set up conditions, the occurrences of that day, and everything that happened afterward. I'm not talking about the pentagon alone here, I'm talking about the entire package of that day and all that surrounds it.

The final point is that this is a war. A war of psychology. A goebbellian propaganda war of massaging and engaging human psychology in a manner that makes this hastily erected and poorly enacted scenario hold enough water to maintain the illusion of truth -for the group of people that desire to maintain an illusion of truth in their lives. To maintain that lie so they can live in comfort. This is psychology 101 class, good sir.

It is just that you don't seem to be mentally understanding that point. The guilty people involved have erected enough doubt in the situation so that the target group for the propaganda can very shakily settle down into those points of doubt and try again to live in the comfort of what they currently know and understand. To avoid the painful face of the truth. Like someone suspecting their partner is cheating or no-longer wants them in their lives anymore, they can go on believing a lie so they don't have to face a truth that cuts to the core of their being and reshapes them in way that is far more potent than any difficult personal relationship ever would.

We know the extremes that people would, will and -do- go through in order to hold onto a lie of personal relationship. Lies that are entirely obvious to anyone outside of that relationship. In the same way, those outside of the lie of that day, when it comes to believing it, those outside can easily see the shape and the fabrication that holds the bulk of humanity to the lie. And in the same way, we cannot easily convince or show the person who believes the lie...what the true face of it actually is. They literally, like the person in the bad relationship, they refuse to look at it.... as the truth seems far too painful for them. Their powers of reason can speak the words and even think them but they cannot believe them. They are hanging onto the shred of doubt, the shred of evidence that speaks the opposite...and allows them to cling to their desires.

Their desire to hold their illusion, an illusion that holds back a pain. A pain of disillusion that threatens all they know and breathe, right to the core. You can get someone to believe and even say their partner does not want them anymore, and even then, have them take years more to walk away or disengage. This pain, of this situation, this huge lie - held by such flimsy and weak evidence...this difficulty... is and will be MUCH deeper than that, as this situation surrounding that day in September.. encompasses everything their entire lives are based on. The street they walk down, who paved it the design of the streetlights, their education and upbringing, the food they eat, everything they understand is at risk in their chain of existence.People will cling to anything in the face of that. Psychology 101, friend. Either consciously or unconsciously, most who deny know this truth, which is why their mind rejects it harder than a person who crying and hanging onto a warm corpse. They grieve for themselves and their world, for they see the shape of the pain the truth will bring them, and it horrifies them into a lie..as a form of self protection of the ego and their 'lives'.

So the evidence you proffer is a canard. A red herring. Designed to convince those who desire on the deepest level possible to have doubts raised and to be convinced. People who don't really understand what 'psychology 101' means in the context of this discussion. That being the bulk of humanity, which is the target group of this entire pile of propaganda.

Some may look at my post and say, "what does that mean?"....and all I can say in return is, "My Point Exactly".

I'm done with this discussion, I've said my piece. I'll not get lost further, wasting more of my time in such dead ends.

[Dale]

I won't start in on another circular 9/11 debate, here; though I do find them intellectually sharpening.

The bottom line, concerning the events of 9/11, is something I feel we all can agree on. Fraud beneath consecutive layers of fraud, and a big push to further "someone(s)" game.

[iceni tribe]

hi jimmer

your mention of the lamposts is a interesting one , have you not seen the film .... national security alert by the citizens investigation team.

if not then may i suggest you take a peek , because you will see and hear the taxi driver ( loyde ) say on camera that it was planned he was involved in something bigger than him ,this is their thing .
kinda from the horse's mouth so to speak .