Parlor of Madame Blavatsky

[westhill]

I have come to really appreciate this woman. Many of the discussions we have on this forum
are possible because of her life work. You don't have to agree with everything put forth but
it all helps you to come to your own self.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jLq6XrfTZDw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ky4w0rVyGRY

[sirdipswitch]

Eight years ago, I finished a 14 month study, of her "Secret Doctrines" Vols, I and II. It is my firm belief, that her critics, haven't even read her work, or didn't understand that which they did read. I then went on to read dozens of books by her followers, at the 'Theosophical Society" of Pasadena, library.

Her work helped me immensely, to achieve and understand that which I now do.

Which is, if you're curious, explained on anotherbob's: "Adventures Out Of Body" thread, under "Spirituality".


Love, Peace, Humor
sirdipswitch

[sandy]

Thanks westhill,

I truly enjoy Micheal and I found the Man in The Parlor of Madam Blavatsky just as enjoyable and informative. Deceit is definitely the Name of the Game in MHO

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I have been studying Blavatsky material for years as well as Alice Bailey and have found it very informative and instructive. Many of the concepts that she illustrates have parallels in other traditions, but using different labels and language.

[Trinity]

west hill..

who is the gentleman giving the presentation..?

regards

alex

[westhill]

Morning Trinity...
I just found him very recently on YouTube. His name is Bill Donahue. I have only seen two of his
presentations. Both were very interesting (and entertaining). His website is www.hiddenmeanings.com
I plan on viewing more. Cheers.

[Cartomancer]

I would think twice about valuing a personage such as this. This person was a manufactured spiritualist that was part of a plan designed to institute a new religion for the new age. She and her handlers identified the perfect combonation of mumbo jumbo to mess with your head straight out of Jung and Freud.

She is espousing a touchy-feely new age channeling kind of faith that Hitler, Bormann, and Himmler just loved. This is the kind of 'faith' that is used to control your hypothalamus and psyche. Check into the Lucis trust and how it associated with the United Nations. Even Tsarion expresses doubt over this woman. This is the same crowd that is manufacturing the Maitreya for you.

Here you go. Prophets don't materialize organically but we're going to give you one that is manufactured just in time for the processional change of the zodiac. Don't make up your own mind or have your own faith. Let Blavatsky do it for you by channeling the Pliedans or who ever else you want to hear from. These people are manipulative occultists who want to control you with this B.S. They don't even believe this stuff. If you examine the whole breadth of history you will see a continual presence of people like this. The occult is all about manipulating the tier of idiots below you and this woman was created for that purpose alone.

Next lets start and thread about Aleister Crowley and how cool ritual masturbation and sex rites are. If he says it o.k. it must be cool.

All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had a Blavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharohs, Ceasar, Royalty, Occult secret societies all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S. and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faith so they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortune telling.

[write4change]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I would think twice about valuing a personage such as this. This person was a manufactured spiritualist that was part of a plan designed to institute a new religion for the new age. She and her handlers identified the perfect combonation of mumbo jumbo to mess with your head straight out of Jung and Freud.

She is espousing a touchy-feely new age channeling kind of faith that Hitler, Bormann, and Himmler just loved. This is the kind of 'faith' that is used to control your hypothalamus and psyche. Check into the Lucis trust and how it associated with the United Nations. Even Tsarion expresses doubt over this woman. This is the same crowd that is manufacturing the Maitreya for you.

Here you go. Prophets don't materialize organically but we're going to give you one that is manufactured just in time for the processional change of the zodiac. Don't make up your own mind or have your own faith. Let Blavatsky do it for you by channeling the Pliedans or who ever else you want to hear from. These people are manipulative occultists who want to control you with this B.S. They don't even believe this stuff. If you examine the whole breadth of history you will see a continual presence of people like this. The occult is all about manipulating the tier of idiots below you and this woman was created for that purpose alone.

Next lets start and thread about Aleister Crowley and how cool ritual masturbation and sex rites are. If he says it o.k. it must be cool.

All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had a Blavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharohs, Ceasar, Royalty, Occult secret societies all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S. and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faith so they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortune telling.

This comment needs to be seriously considered by all who admire theosophy. I also read it and studied these writings during the 70s. Some body as enlightened as this woman would have never chosen Annie Bissant to follow after her. People should read wikipedia on Annie Bissant. At one time she was the most famous woman in the world. I considered doing a spec script on her but the more I investigated her life the more I could not do it. I am sure a lot of other women have come to that conclusion. In depth, she became an evil soul because above all she was seduced by power.

In short, she tried to destroy Mahatma Gandhi and she certainly ruinded the life of Krishnamurti who in 1929 publicly disavowed her plans for becoming the World Teacher and returned all the money collected by the Eastern Star Foundation. When the last of the money was returned she died.

[Finefeather]

Posted by write4change (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I would think twice about valuing a personage such as this. This person was a manufactured spiritualist that was part of a plan designed to institute a new religion for the new age. She and her handlers identified the perfect combonation of mumbo jumbo to mess with your head straight out of Jung and Freud.

She is espousing a touchy-feely new age channeling kind of faith that Hitler, Bormann, and Himmler just loved. This is the kind of 'faith' that is used to control your hypothalamus and psyche. Check into the Lucis trust and how it associated with the United Nations. Even Tsarion expresses doubt over this woman. This is the same crowd that is manufacturing the Maitreya for you.

Here you go. Prophets don't materialize organically but we're going to give you one that is manufactured just in time for the processional change of the zodiac. Don't make up your own mind or have your own faith. Let Blavatsky do it for you by channeling the Pliedans or who ever else you want to hear from. These people are manipulative occultists who want to control you with this B.S. They don't even believe this stuff. If you examine the whole breadth of history you will see a continual presence of people like this. The occult is all about manipulating the tier of idiots below you and this woman was created for that purpose alone.

Next lets start and thread about Aleister Crowley and how cool ritual masturbation and sex rites are. If he says it o.k. it must be cool.

All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had a Blavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharohs, Ceasar, Royalty, Occult secret societies all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S. and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faith so they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortune telling.

This comment needs to be seriously considered by all who admire theosophy. I also read it and studied these writings during the 70s. Some body as enlightened as this woman would have never chosen Annie Bissant to follow after her. People should read wikipedia on Annie Bissant. At one time she was the most famous woman in the world. I considered doing a spec script on her but the more I investigated her life the more I could not do it. I am sure a lot of other women have come to that conclusion. In depth, she became an evil soul because above all she was seduced by power.

In short, she tried to destroy Mahatma Gandhi and she certainly ruinded the life of Krishnamurti who in 1929 publicly disavowed her plans for becoming the World Teacher and returned all the money collected by the Eastern Star Foundation. When the last of the money was returned she died.

It is very, very, very clear to me that both you write4change and Cartomancer have got no idea what so ever, what you speak of.
These sorts of arguments about Blavatsky and Besant, and I will include Alice Bailey, have been going on for years, usually by people who have not got past the cover of any book written by them, or others who have read some of it and now believe they know something based on heresay and Wiki.
I would venture to say that these writings are some of the finest on the planet today, and if you really 'got' any of the message in these writings you would inwardly know that any attemp to debunk or smear these writings either comes from ignorance or some other sinister motive. Which is yours?
The common 'smear' about Lucis Trust and the United Nations and the New World Order is the give away to peoples ignorance. If you read the "Externalisation of the Hierarchy" by Alice Bailey you will clearly realise, if you are not looking to concoct the proverbial straw man, that the New Age she talks about is EXACTLY the very ideal we are trying to achieve of living life together on earth in peace and harmony and love, and has got absolutely nothing to do with the 'New World Order' that the elite are attempting to enslave us in.

And just to put the cat amongst the pigeons I will also state on record that Michael Tsarion is a fraud in that he spins his messages with subtle untruths and misinformation, and if you never knew better you would believe he is the be all and end all of truth. Of course you would only know this if you really knew a bit more about Blavatsky, Besant and Bailey.

edit: corrected spelling of Besant

[Cartomancer]

I guess I'm just sinister because I don't agree with all of the contrived rhetoric. I must be a bad person if I disagree. Why don't you channel a solution or have a seance or something? If it has nothing to do with the NWO why does it sound so familiar? If you want to immerse yourself in this nonsense that is your choice. Even the Nazi's were trying to create a "living life together on earth in peace and harmony and love." Your response typifies what I am saying. Anyone who buys into this material becomes a holier than thou sycophant who feels comfortable accusing others of being sinister or ignorant because they don't believe the pile you are promoting.

If you want to believe that people can talk to the dead or people from another galaxy have at it. I simply question the motives of people who are promoting all of this as a way to a utopian world. All of Blavatsky's theories and philosophy are steeped in manipulative and fascist ideals. You can see it as touchy feely if you want to. This person did nothing but spew a bunch of Luciferian rhetoric which when viewed in the context of history by others who have promoted this philosophy comes of as being a manipulative way of controlling people. Many times this control dynamic extends to adherents attacking and eliminating those who disagree by suggesting they have sinister motives or some agenda.

I bet you have a snappy answer for Blavatsky being caught red handed rigging a seance. Oh I'm sure here enemies are simply lying about that?

I am through with this thread. I'll leave it to those who want to discuss Blavatsky in a more favorable light.

[Slorri]

Totally agree with you here FineFeather.
Strange outbursts by these two fellows, but perhaps that's what disinformation is all about.

Surely Blavatsky isn't easy to understand, but we do not need to spread any unjust fear just because of our own ignorance.

By the way, when you say Bissant are then not really saying Besant?

[Cartomancer]

What a paranoid you are. 'Oh no because I can channel entities and like Blavatsky who ever disagrees must be a 'disinfo' agent. Alert Alert everyone a disinfo agent is among us. Everyone stay away from Cartomancer he might tell the government what we are up to here on the public forum. He's only here to cloud the waters by challenging something we believe that we can't even prove. Oh no he's a bad guy. He's ignorant. We must purge the forum of anyone who disagrees by insulting them personally and accusing them of being a spy. Someone might tell on us for speaking to dead people. The government is so concerned about all of this and we are so important that they must infiltrate our truth. Its all part of my dastardly counter/counter disintelpro scheme to undermine all the Einsteins on Project Avalon. What a bad terrible person. ALERT ALERT!!!

[Sirius White]

I find it sad, that people can't just get past their own per-conceived notions of what is good and what is bad. And simply just LEARN. You might disagree with the whole of the material, but you may find GREAT truth in its body. Take the gems that resonate, and move on. This is the ability to discern with an open mind, and unlimited knowledge is at your hand when you do.

I may not fully agree with Blavatsky, but she has some serious wisdom in her material.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I bet you have a snappy answer for Blavatsky being caught red handed rigging a seance. Oh I'm sure here enemies are simply lying about that?

Here is my 'snappy' answer.....I did mention hearsay in my post and this is a classic. The known thing about truth writings, is that for some, if you put the truth under their noses they would not be able to believe it because it does not come from them and they don't hold the copyright. This was the driving force behind the attempt to debunk Blavatsky's work and the fact that it would lead the masses to freedom.
This story comes from Robert Todd Carrol, who wrote 'The Skeptic's Dictionary' here is the quote:

Blavatsky seems clearly to have had an overpowering personality. She was
knowledgeable of the tricks of spiritualists, having worked for one in Egypt,
and in the early days of the Theosophical Society seems clearly to have used
trickery to deceive others into thinking she had paranormal powers. She most
certainly faked the materialization of a tea cup and saucer, as well as written
messages from her Masters, presumably to enhance her credibility. She
certainly claimed to have paranormal experiences, but whether she really
believed she was clairvoyant or possessed psychic powers, I can't say.

Notice something? At one point he says "She most certainly faked.." and then goes on to conclude that "I can't say". He also uses words like "seems clearly".
Just one rambling paragraph with no source and him saying he "can't say".
Where does he get these stories from? Sounds like ignorance to me and coming from a skeptic who says a lot of things about 1000s of subjects which he must have collected to fill this huge book of his and can surely not be the expert he claims to be. You can judge for yourself by reading some of his expert stories here, some of them are really funny:
http://elearning.zaou.ac.zm:8060/Bel...%20Carroll.pdf

Anyway, I have not the slightest bit of concern about your personal belief system, but I would be very interested in anything you can come up with which is real fact and can assist in the freedom of mankind from the deception of belief systems and dubious men.

[NancyV]

I read Alice Bailey, Blavatsky and Annie Besant beginning when I was very young, about 7. My grandparents, whom I spent many summers with in Yosemite where they lived, had a huge collection of metaphysical books and my grandfather was a Christian Science hands on healer in addition to being an engineer. My grandmother was an opera singer, very intelligent and metaphysically inclined. They got me enthused about metaphysics from as early as I can remember. Although they considered themselves to be basically Christian Scientists, they read everything they could about metaphysics and Eastern religions and spiritual practices.

I also revisited Blavatsky in my 20's and found her writings to be even more relevant for me at that age. I don't make a practice of believing anyone 100%, and even if I don't agree with their theories I like to know what their experiences have been and the conclusions they've come to. I've also read a lot of Crowley's writings and others opinions about him. My opinion of him is that he may have gotten progressively worse as he played more with evil. All of these occult and/or metaphysical teachers, practitioners or researchers seemed to have some good info and some strange and perhaps warped ideas. Some of them have undoubtedly become seduced by the temptations of power, money and/or fame. Some may be deliberately evil. They may also have been possessed or heavily influenced by powers they couldn't control or be protected from. Some may have become psychotic.

Basically until I left my body and began discovering things for mySELF, I could not refute others experiences or say that mine were different. I could only offer an uninformed opinion which may have come from someone else's opinion who probably didn't know much more than I did. I view Michael Tsarion in this same light. I find his various videos and writings to be fascinating, but I don't waste my time believing them 100%. Does he or any of the metaphysicists leave out crucial things, misinterpret things, change certain things to suit their own agendas? Undoubtedly so, just as many people do. But unless I perceive something to be LARGELY more negative or "evil" than positive or informative, I will usually read it and glean anything of value. Even when something appears to be more evil I often will read it so that I can be aware of it.

I've always liked this Sun Tzu quote:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

Of course you may choose to have NO enemies and to not engage in battle, either physical or spiritual. That is a personal choice. I have most often engaged in the battle between good and evil (against evil) when here and in the astral. Of course that illusionary battle and the illusionary enemies only seem to exist in duality. We always have a choice as to how we play the game or whether we play that game or not. I appreciate others advice, but often it is based in fear and lack of knowledge about what is feared. So I muddle along quite happily, depending mostly on my own intuition and soul urges.

Those in this thread who are offering their viewpoints about the negative aspects of Blavatsky, Besant, Bailey and Tsarion are fighting the battle against what they perceive as evil and their intentions are good. They intend to help people avoid some of the pitfalls they've become aware of through their own research or experiences. Their viewpoints are appreciated and are a valid interpretation for them. They may help others to look more closely at something, which could be beneficial. But we all have different interpretations and tolerances. The mistakes are as valuable as the successes and often just as much fun.

[DNA]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Eight years ago, I finished a 14 month study, of her "Secret Doctrines" Vols, I and II. It is my firm belief, that her critics, haven't even read her work, or didn't understand that which they did read. I then went on to read dozens of books by her followers, at the 'Theosophical Society" of Pasadena, library.

Her work helped me immensely, to achieve and understand that which I now do.

Which is, if you're curious, explained on anotherbob's: "Adventures Out Of Body" thread, under "Spirituality".


Love, Peace, Humor
sirdipswitch

I agree, her stuff blows me away. It's crazy to think about, but her writing is just so amazing and polished, it's amazing to think that this was all done before type writers and what not, let alone computers. Speaking of blow me away,,,,I always had the suspicion that she was part of that whole victorian crew who used theinfamous snuff box for some granulated inspiration if you know what I mean. Her command of diction and her ability to find just the right word in a time where there was no google for finding an adequate synonym, yea, I think she was in that crowd. No sour grapes though.

Have you ever correlated all the data concerning Mt. Shasta and the whole theosophical movement? I have always been blown away by that and thought there was something to that.


Also, if you have wondered where HP LOVECRAFT gets a lot of his inspiration, look no further than Blavatsky. It has been said that his fabled tales of ancient grimoires,,,including the dreaded necronomican were modeled after Blavatsky's Secret Doctine and Isis Unvieled.

[DNA]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I would think twice about valuing a personage such as this. This person was a manufactured spiritualist that was part of a plan designed to institute a new religion for the new age. She and her handlers identified the perfect combonation of mumbo jumbo to mess with your head straight out of Jung and Freud.

She is espousing a touchy-feely new age channeling kind of faith that Hitler, Bormann, and Himmler just loved. This is the kind of 'faith' that is used to control your hypothalamus and psyche. Check into the Lucis trust and how it associated with the United Nations. Even Tsarion expresses doubt over this woman. This is the same crowd that is manufacturing the Maitreya for you.

Here you go. Prophets don't materialize organically but we're going to give you one that is manufactured just in time for the processional change of the zodiac. Don't make up your own mind or have your own faith. Let Blavatsky do it for you by channeling the Pliedans or who ever else you want to hear from. These people are manipulative occultists who want to control you with this B.S. They don't even believe this stuff. If you examine the whole breadth of history you will see a continual presence of people like this. The occult is all about manipulating the tier of idiots below you and this woman was created for that purpose alone.

Next lets start and thread about Aleister Crowley and how cool ritual masturbation and sex rites are. If he says it o.k. it must be cool.

All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had a Blavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharohs, Ceasar, Royalty, Occult secret societies all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S. and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faith so they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortune telling.

Just for the record Blavatsky's creation mythos matches Edgar Cayce's so spot on that many folks claimed he ripped it off of her.
I don't think that is the case,,,I just think they are both correct.
You see my friend, all information can be ascertained as usefull through proper correlation,,,,and Blavatsky in my opinion correlates with some of the best data out there,,,as well as she being amazingly eloquent and easy to read.

And if you want to find some one to really blame,,,your folks should have looked to Elephias Levi,,,,,Blavatsky's mentor.
This man was truelly amazing in so far as what I have read, and in many ways was Jordan Maxwell before Jordan Maxwell.

[enfoldedblue]

Posted by Sirius White (here)
I find it sad, that people can't just get past their own per-conceived notions of what is good and what is bad. And simply just LEARN. You might disagree with the whole of the material, but you may find GREAT truth in its body. Take the gems that resonate, and move on. This is the ability to discern with an open mind, and unlimited knowledge is at your hand when you do.

I may not fully agree with Blavatsky, but she has some serious wisdom in her material.

This is a great answer... in my opinion. When I had my spiritual awakening in the early nineties...there was no internet and it was very difficult to find any quality information to help explain what I was experiencing..there was cetainly NOTHING in the mainsteam for me..other than a label of 'crazy'. Most of the new age material didn't resonate with me, but when I found the theosophists..I finally felt like I wasn't crazy and could begin to understand some of what I was experiencing.

Skip forward many years. A while ago as I researched the illuminati i discovered the links between the theosophical movement and lucifarianism, and briefly went into some fear, as these people had been some of my first teachers. However, after some deep contemplation it occured to me that it is irrelevant if they are 'good' or 'bad', because I certainly had not become evil, or suffered from exploring their material...I got out of it some information that helped me greatly at the time. I have come to realise that one of the favorite tactics of the illuminati is to associate themselves, and then attempt to influence important movements, people etc. These guys have their fingers in everything powerful, and if we were to reject all that they have touched (which is what they hope) we would lose some of the most profound aspects of our civilization. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[SilentFeathers]

It's a good read and study regardless of what you believe in IMO, that is if ya got a curious and open mind

[Arrowwind]

Posted by write4change (here)
[This comment needs to be seriously considered by all who admire theosophy. I also read it and studied these writings during the 70s. Some body as enlightened as this woman would have never chosen Annie Bissant to follow after her. People should read wikipedia on Annie Bissant. At one time she was the most famous woman in the world. I considered doing a spec script on her but the more I investigated her life the more I could not do it. I am sure a lot of other women have come to that conclusion. In depth, she became an evil soul because above all she was seduced by power.

In short, she tried to destroy Mahatma Gandhi and she certainly ruinded the life of Krishnamurti who in 1929 publicly disavowed her plans for becoming the World Teacher and returned all the money collected by the Eastern Star Foundation. When the last of the money was returned she died.

Posted by westhill (here)
I have come to really appreciate this woman. Many ofthe discussions we have on this forum

Posted by westhill (here)
are possible because of her life work. You don't have to agree with everythingput forth but
it all helps you to come to your own self.

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had aBlavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharaohs, Caesar, Royalty, Occult secretsocieties all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S.and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faithso they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortunetelling.

I think the control intended is much greater than just spiritual channelingand fortune telling. It is much much bigger. Consider her position on the United Nations.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)

Posted by Sirius White (here)
I find it sad, thatpeople can't just get past their own per-conceived notions of what is good andwhat is bad. And simply just LEARN. You might disagree with the whole of thematerial, but you may find GREAT truth in its body. Take the gems thatresonate, and move on. This is the ability to discern with an open mind, andunlimited knowledge is at your hand when you do.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)

Posted by Sirius White (here)

I may not fully agree with Blavatsky, but she has some serious wisdom in hermaterial.

Posted by write4change (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
She is espousing atouchy-feely new age channeling kind of faith that Hitler, Bormann, and Himmlerjust loved. This is the kind of 'faith' that is used to control yourhypothalamus and psyche. Check into the Lucis trust and how it associated withthe United Nations. Even Tsarion expresses doubt over this woman. This is thesame crowd that is manufacturing the Maitreya for you.

Posted by write4change (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)

Here you go. Prophets don't materialize organically but we're going to give youone that is manufactured just in time for the processional change of thezodiac. Don't make up your own mind or have your own faith. Let Blavatsky do itfor you by channeling the Pliedans or who ever else you want to hear from.These people are manipulative occultists who want to control you with this B.S.They don't even believe this stuff. If you examine the whole breadth of historyyou will see a continual presence of people like this. The occult is all aboutmanipulating the tier of idiots below you and this woman was created for thatpurpose alone.

All of the megalomaniacal manipulative groups through history have always had aBlavatsky for you. C'mon people. The Pharaohs, Caesar, Royalty, Occult secretsocieties all have so little respect for you but to feed you this kind of B.S.and everyone eats it up with a fork and knife. They want to create your faithso they can control you with some spiritual channeling and fortunetelling.

This comment needs to be seriously considered by all who admire theosophy. Ialso read it and studied these writings during the 70s. Some body asenlightened as this woman would have never chosen Annie Bissant to follow afterher. People should read wikipedia on Annie Bissant. At one time she was themost famous woman in the world. I considered doing a spec script on her but themore I investigated her life the more I could not do it. I am sure a lot ofother women have come to that conclusion. In depth, she became an evil soulbecause above all she was seduced by power.

In short, she tried to destroy Mahatma Gandhi and she certainly ruined the lifeof Krishnamurti who in 1929 publicly disavowed her plans for becoming the WorldTeacher and returned all the money collected by the Eastern Star Foundation.When the last of the money was returned she died.

This is a great answer... in my opinion. When I had my spiritual awakening inthe early nineties...there was no internet and it was very difficult to findany quality information to help explain what I was experiencing..there wascetainly NOTHING in the mainsteam for me..other than a label of 'crazy'. Mostof the new age material didn't resonate with me, but when I found thetheosophists..I finally felt like I wasn't crazy and could begin to understandsome of what I was experiencing.

Skip forward many years. A while ago as I researched the illuminati idiscovered the links between the theosophical movement and lucifarianism, andbriefly went into some fear, as these people had been some of my firstteachers. However, after some deep contemplation it occured to me that it isirrelevant if they are 'good' or 'bad', because I certainly had not becomeevil, or suffered from exploring their material...I got out of it someinformation that helped me greatly at the time. I have come to realise that oneof the favorite tactics of the illuminati is to associate themselves, and thenattempt to influence important movements, people etc. These guys have theirfingers in everything powerful, and if we were to reject all that they havetouched (which is what they hope) we would lose some of the most profoundaspects of our civilization. Let's not throw the baby out with thebathwater.

Interesting conversation.

I am more familiar with Alice Bailey that Blavatsky, but I certainly am no expert. I’ve read perhaps half of Baileys works.. There was a time when it was all consuming to me.

My opinion of it now is what I would not have anticipated to develop back in the days when I was doing the reading.
The Bailey theme is to promote a one world government and society where people are conscious and dedicated to serving.
That is all good and well. .... but only good and well if people evolve into it according to their own free will and serving a program that opens the heart and awareness into love.

The initiation of the League of Nations and later the United Nations waswhat she talked about in great length.
We have all seen what that has come to. A corrupt institution that weighs the value of life according to the natural resources that the ground under individual’s feet is worth.

From the United Nations we have the development of a number of institutions that are driving us towards a one world order... NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, mounds and mounds of international trade agreements that we never got to vote on, and last but not least the World Health Organization who clearly , in my mind has not the interest of health of individuals but in supporting pharmaceutical company profits and controlling populations for eventual elimination or takeover of their lands.

Although it may be altruistic to conceive of a planet nation that is all good and concerned for evolution on multiple levels, clearly we are not advanced enough to bring this forth without force and the disregard for personal and national will. Hence NATO uses its military might to destroy whatever nation they believe to stand in the way of this "evolution"

In our own nation, (USA) to pave the way for the new world government we have constructed over 600 concentration camps to contend with the dissenters.... although you may disagree with the word "we", we did pay for it.
We have the UN blue hats ready to enter on our shores, and the military havealready been advised that this will happen on American soil.
We have the government on our necks for every business and soon to be health issue that we are immersed in.
We have a voting system that is illegal and unjust and corrupted to its very core with the advancements of computerized voting. We have politicians that are bought and paid for and who do not represent the people but do the biddings of hidden groups.
We have a judicial system that flirts and dallies with private prison organizations that has made the USA the largest prison nation in the world

We have an agricultural system controlled by corporations responsible forthe deaths of many, the destruction of soils and the imprisonment of mother earths seed from the world that cries for an honest crop.... all condoned bythe United Nations.

Spirituality and soul advancement in my mind cannot be institutionalized.The only thing that can be instutionalized in my mind that is of any benefit are groups that truly serve to open hearts and consciousness and alleviate suffering so that an individual is free to do their spiritual work and make a just living. So far Alice Baileys predictions (and could I venture to say,agenda and implementation?) has lead us on a path to many wars and themilitarization of the planet. Something in her program is either going verywrong or very right, depending on where you stand. I can only wonder what she and the Tibetan Master would think... but alas, all is silent on that front.

She predicted that the USA would decline and China would lead... we are clearly heading in that direction as China buys up land, gold, buildings and water rights all around the planet. Bailey has made many predictions that have come true. Clearly she has connections with the Akashic record and to see and to prophesize and the ability to move energy towards goals. I just wonder if things are really working out as well as anticipated and if the Master (her Master) is pleased.

It seems to me that we are about to be forced into a new world order,regardless of how we feel about it, regardless of our individual rights, our national constitutions, regardless of our religious or spiritual beliefs...

but the workings of it seem to me to be very dark and deadly with no concern for individuals... but of course Bailey will not have concern for individuals because she espouses the "group soul" of which she claims we are all a partof and to which we must acquiesce.

In the group soul concept the individual gives way to the "greatergood" at best or the “greater force” at worst.

So due to these observations and others that I have not written, I leftBailey behind yet over the years fully sensing that this Bailey game plan is so parallel to what is going on now.. . The Lucifer trust is the order of light and the fallen angle ofgod whose work is based largely in science.. and we all know that our current paradigm of science is filled with corruption... and somewhere along the line they left love and compassion behind in my view. I guess I will not give up my individuality for the group soul without a fight. It is my belief that I Am the point of light of an individual soul destined for and already within eternal living life, as a creator soul, not a puppet or a cog in a wheel to a planetary plan that is to be forced down my/our throats.

Some have said the humanity is in bondage on a planetary scale. The Bailey material clearly delinates what this bondage is, all wrapped up in glamour and illusions of service and good will, in my view anyway, so far all we have been handed is a plate of bull**it. A NWO can either be done with love or it can be done with light and Lucifer is of light. Where do you see the love?