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Who are the 24 Elders part 3.
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The following exchange introduces the Civilisations, which will be examined in greater detail in the next chapter.
Tom: We understand the Earth plane, its entrapment, its density and its illusionary factor, yes.
IRENE: It'd be fun to have you here.
Tom: The time will come when all of us will be in togetherness, at the time of the elevation and transformational density of Planet Earth, in its rightful place of existence as the paradise of glory, yes.
JOHN: Where is that going to be?
Tom: Upon Planet Earth.
IRENE: Great! We're ready! Now specifically, I would like to go back to the creation and the Twenty-Four civilisations. Who created the Twenty-Four?
Or were they in fact a creation? Or were they in fact elements and particles that were brought together by you, but in fact they already had existence and you gave them order?
Tom: That is a large question. It was in this nature: there was one Creator, one energy, one pure light, one pure-being Self that contained all components of all that is.
It is extremely complicated, but in simplification, it came into that Being the knowledge, and wisdom to begin to divide the components of which it consisted, not to remove them but to build a structure. For in its aloneness it had only self for companion.
That was not wrong, but it was more valuable to create a situation whereby there was a separate element - to create a situation that would then have the structure to give the cells that would be populating different environmental existences, those portions necessary for its attainment of its choosing.
For it was found, in the creating by that that was created out of nothing, that there would be the necessity to expand this creating. Now what would be the purpose of creating nothing out of nothing? It was important to have created something.
So the Twenty-Four universal civilisations were created, as guides, elements of direction, elements of purpose and also to know that there would be some areas of civilisation (such as that of Altea) which would govern and rule that element of their existence all over the Universe, as Ashan does with colour, sound and arts.
It was a way for the Creator to expand and provide and begin those elements necessary for expansion, because once that was created, then the expansion would continue and it would go on and on. Therefore it needed the different elements that would make expansion purposeful. If the expansion continued with only the creating of Universes, with no purpose, then it would have served no purpose. Now have we confused you completely?
IRENE: No, not only does it not confuse, this is the most brilliant thing I've ever heard!
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ANDREW: All right. And, if this is the fountainhead, or 'the unmoved mover' if that be a correct definition, then all your thoughts and actions somehow must be put into effect through other peoples, or groups of beings...
Tom: Universal Civilisations.
ANDREW: Ah, right. Do you yourself initiate the intelligence, the thought, but the action is always carried out by others?
Tom: By the civilisations.
ANDREW. And then at one time you hinted there were twenty-four major civilisations through which you acted?
Tom: When you say major, there are many. But there are twenty-four heads of civilisations.
ANDREW: I see. They themselves are part of those many civilisations, or just heads of large groups of civilisations?
Tom: They are heads of civilisations.
ANDREW: And these are what the Bible calls a 'Council of the Twenty-Four' and 'The Elders' and so on?
Tom: It would be the Congress.
JOHN: One question about that: these are all working on the same side, the positive side, or as the twenty-four?
Tom: The positive and the negative must be blended to make it whole. It is as we have explained to you: to be positive with no sense is not as good.
They are balanced civilisations. Do you have that in clearness?
ANDREW: I think we do now.
Tom: When you speak of positive, remember: refer to it as a balanced-positive.
ANDREW: Now, under those Twenty-Four, could you give us an example of one civilisation? Let us say - Hoova. Where does it fit in under the Twenty-Four?
Tom: When you speak of the Twenty-Four, you speak of the heads of the civilisations. There is one you know of as 'Jehovah'.
ANDREW: Jehovah? And then under him is his civilisation? So the Jehovah is one of the Twenty-Four.
Tom: Yes. It is known as Hoova.
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In relationship to us there are Twenty-Four physical civilisations, in another dimensional realm.
Each is a total collective consciousness that oversees and from these civilisations physical beings have incarnated upon your Planet Earth, and at times have intervened, when necessary.
These physical civilisations, the Twenty-Four, each in its own dimension, are total and complete units of one collective consciousness that have agreed to be in that collective consciousness. They have evolved to that form of action to oversee, to pass through information of great importance, and help other physical civilisations in their evolutionary process.
An example would be the civilisation of Altea; as we are in another realm of existence, we depend upon Altea for communicating with you.
They guard the body of our being while you are in communication with us, and they provide the technology for us to communicate. Altea was also the head of what you know as the physical civilisation that manifested upon Planet Earth as Atlantis.
There are other civilisations - and there are amongst you incarnate souls from those civilisations who have come to help Planet Earth. One of these civilisations, Hoova, was the civilisation that originally seeded Planet Earth,as did some of the others, but Hoova re-seeded Planet Earth on three occasions.
Hoova is the civilisation from which the Hebrews derive: hence the importance of the Hebrews. Hoova is the civilisation that brought forth the Nazarene.
GENE: Are there any civilisations or races within our galaxy visiting us at present?
Tom: Yes. There are civilisations of different dimensions, different intelligence, different evolving, that are working with the Twenty-Four civilizations.
There are those within your galaxy that are in service to those that are attempting to salvage the Planet Earth. But they are not the primaries (the Twenty-Four).
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Tom: Not correct. If a device were designed that could see to the furthermost reaches of the Universe, then you would see also different levels of densities.
Within their civilisations the Twenty-Four have attained perfection, unity of oneness, complete obedience to the Creator, so therefore they understand their physical world, and are not tricked by physicalness.
JOHN: Now when the Twenty-Four interact with our solar system, I believe you said once that they may use other physical planets as a way of stepping down towards us, so there may be physical planets in our solar system that are used by individual civilizations..?
Tom: Not by the Twenty-Four. By Sub-civilisations. The Twenty-Four have no need.
Among the Twenty-Four civilisations, not all have manifested upon the physical Earth. There are those that have seeded Planet Earth, but there are also those that have not - such as those that have been to Earth but have not been involved with the work of the other civilizations.
Each of those civilizations - in particular those involved with Planet Earth, and those that have not been involved with it but have sent a representative - need to be brought into balance.[/COLOR]
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Some information regarding the different civilizations and their names.
Tom: Altea, we will say to you, is eternal. A Hoovid would live approximately one million of your years. The civilization of Hoova is the one that brought forth the nation of the Hebrews.
They came to Planet Earth for this in the time of Sumer (whence Abraham came), and at the time when it is said in your books about 'the sons of the gods merging with the daughters of the Earth' and they came one other time also. As they were the one civilisation that had sustained energy and were determined to survive, they elected to play a central historical role on Planet Earth their descendants represent a microcosm on Earth.
Ashan communicates through the artistic. You understand that those of Ashan are not always capable of discipline? May we just say to you that for the millions of Hoovids there are only a handful of Ashans. They come through by their own means. They are of creativity - if you will look into the culture of the Chinese, you will see the effects of their influence.
Ashan is the creator of music, it is the creator of the beauty upon the Earth, it is the civilisation that creates muses. The Scandinavians were of Ashan as were the Phoenicians.
JOHN: They were very artistic with glass, I understand
Tom: Yes. They were bohemians. Ashan is lithe of body, and light as the wind, and as the sounding of crystal, do you understand?
JOHN: Yes, that's very graphic.
Tom: They are what you would call the surrealists of the Universe. Involved particularly with Earth, you have Hoova, Ashan and Altea.
JOHN: Yes. Hoova works with the physical?
Tom: Yes.
JOHN: And the astral, the creative, the emotional is Ashan?
Tom: Yes. And Altea works with the mental. It is the blending of three primaries, Altea, Hoova and Ashan, which brings together the connection and the coupling of Planet Earth with the Universe.
All involved with Aragon (Jose Arigo the Brazilian Healer for example) are involved in healing. It is different from Ancore, Ancore works under Aragon. They work in conjunction towards perfecting the health of humankind.
They work together, as Spectra works for Hoova. Zeneel represents a similar principle to a computer but not just like a computer... we know not how to express it... Zeneel works with interplay, interchange. Zeemed and Zenthorp are worker civilizations of Zeneel.
They give a specialized structure of understanding and ability in the bringing forth of the energy of Zeneel. Zeneel is light and joyful and orderly. When we say 'orderly' we mean the creating of order in the color energy. Zeneel is the alchemist of the civilizations.
I hope you get what I am attempting to share here, and more parts of the jigsaw puzzle have joined together to allow you to glimpse the bigger picture of who the 24 Elders are.
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