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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20258447

    8 November 2012 Last updated at 18:12

    Jimmy Savile's chauffeur arrestedJimmy Savile's former chauffeur and a second man have been arrested over historic rape allegations not connected to the Savile inquiry.




    Police said a 71-year-old - understood to be Savile's ex-chauffeur Ray Teret - and a 61-year-old were arrested at an address in Altrincham, Cheshire.

    Det Insp Simon Davies said he wanted to make it "absolutely clear" it was not an investigation into Savile.

    The arrests follow three separate allegations of sexual abuse.

    Det Insp Davies said they had led to the arrest of the older man while the second man was arrested in connection with one of the complaints.

    The people who had come forward had shown "tremendous courage" and the police's primary focus was to support them during what was "clearly a very traumatic time for them", he added.

    He said none of the allegations related to "any involvement by Savile", who is being investigated by the Met Police's Operation Yewtree into claims he sexually abused young people.

    Police believe the former BBC TV presenter and DJ, who died last year aged 84, could have abused as many as 300 people over a 40-year period.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-of-rape.html

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-arrested.html

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...uffeur-1425643

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cion-rape.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8298163.html
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    FREEMASONRY – CATHOLICISM AND THE PEDOPHILE CONNECTION:


    A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENA WITH THE SAME AGENDAS

    1. Both organisations are religious cults – based in so-called Christianity

    2. Both organisations are steeped in the Black-Occult, (Black-arts) and involve secret rituals at All levels.

    3. Both organisations publically propagate deceit and lies that they exist ‘for the good of all’ and are humanitarian/community based charity.

    4. Both organisations are Secret Societies that are run like a corporation. Compartmentalised Hierarchical Structures giving information to their lower ‘subjects’ on a ‘need to know basis’.

    5. Both organisations have compartments that do community based projects run by good people that genuinely wish to help others…….(the cover).

    6. Both organisations have compartments that are involved in the design and implementation of the sexual abuse of children……….(the true agenda).

    7. Both organisations have structures in place that when the realisation of child abuse by their perpetrators becomes public knowledge they will systematically be able to cover it up.

    8. Both organisations are protected by the Police hierarchies as well as Military Intelligence. Part of their system of cover up is via, non-compliance to complaints , ‘pseudo’-incompetence, ‘loss’ of documents and witnesses statement’s and the Masonic Law that the issue’s will be dealt with ‘in house’… but they never are, as the abuse is fundamental to the organisations very existence!!

    The main difference that exists between these two Secret Societies is that the Freemasons Cult is far better organised and equipped than the Catholic Cult at the design and implementation for child abuse and subsequent cover-ups.

    It is also imperative for everyone to realise that these Secret Societies child abuse networks within both of these organisations are categorically instrumental to the powerful and evil integrity of their very structure.

    These ritual child abuse networks are NOT off shoot ‘perk’s, of the sexual deviate’s in these organisations. They are fundamentally intrinsic to their very existence of Occult power and control over the masses.

    This is a worldwide phenomenon – and it will Never………. ‘Just go away’.

    It must be fully addressed – to be destroyed. It requires a plan. A Plan off action.

    There is only the combination of two strategies that can and will destroy these Evil Satanic Secret-Society Child Abuse Rings:

    1. The knowledge by a large number of people that these networks actually Do exist:

    2. A plan of action to destroy these networks – once and for all!

    I have the Knowledge and I also have the Plan…….…..to be continued

    George Hardy Farquhar


    http://macpc.org.au/site/freemasonry...le-connection/

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    Masons in the North Wales Police force try to hide their existence.
    Child abuse is rife.
    Are the two facts related



    Uploaded by rebeccatelevision on 19 Apr 2011


    THIS TWO-PART FILM tells the story of an extraordinary child abuse case in North Wales. A retired police detective claims that he was introduced to a child sex abuse ring by a fellow freemason. The retired police officer is jailed but he claims that he doesn't know the identity of the mason who invited him into the ring. This second mason has never been caught. The police didn't investigate until Rebecca, Britain's first investigative website, began asking some awkward questions. Click on part two for the rest of the programme — and visit Rebecca [rebeccatelevision] for more details about this pioneering multi-media website.




    Uploaded by rebeccatelevision on 19 Apr 2011


    THIS TWO-PART FILM tells the story of an extraordinary child abuse case in North Wales. A retired police detective claims that he was introduced to a child sex abuse ring by a fellow freemason. The retired police officer is jailed but he claims that he doesn't know the identity of the mason who invited him into the ring. This second mason has never been caught. The police didn't investigate until Rebecca, Britain's first investigative website, began asking some awkward questions. Click on part two for the rest of the programme — and visit Rebecca [rebeccatelevision] for more details about this pioneering multi-media website.

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    Max Clifford Accuses Alan Clark of Underage Sex




    'The former government minister Alan Clark had sex with children, according to the publicity agent Max Clifford. In a secretly filmed, three-minute interview posted on the internet last night, the publicist said that the Tory MP and diarist had "interfered" with two 14-year-old girls. But he added, during a discussion of his success in suppressing scandals, that the story had never come out.

    Last night Mr Clifford, who was unaware his comments were being recorded, strenuously denied that he had told the girls' family to stay quiet about the allegations.'

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    Oh, please, David Cameron, you know who the paedophiles are in your own party, past and present, so cut the moral bollocks, it's pathetic
    Friday, 09 November 2012 11:04

    By David Icke



    When daytime TV presenter, Phillip Schofield, handed a list of potential paedophiles to Prime Minister Cameron, we had the feigned moral outrage when he knows who is a paedophile and who isn't, if anyone isn't, on the list, and this crap about a 'witch hunt' is just an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that he knows, just like his current Foreign Secretary and former party leader, William Hague knows, who in their party was named by victims as abusers of children in North Wales.

    Cameron knows at least most of the paedophiles in his party (and the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties are just the same) and he knows that the party has been protecting them while knowing who they are and what they have done. All the rest is detail, smokescreen and cover up.

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...s-its-pathetic

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    Someone read an opinion piece to me from The Times the other day entitled:

    Is it time we reappraised the music of our rock'n'roll heroes?
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/m...cle3591141.ece

    You'll need to be a subscriber to read it, but the gist of it were the songs from bands like Led Zepplin, Rolling Stones, Ozzie Ozbourne etc. some were about sex with underage girls and that it was an accepted part of the lifestyle.

    I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.

    As a side note and I may be completely way off here .... But it occurs to me that this sort of information would have been collected over the years through the 'hacking' of phones and righty now there's a hacked off wrinkly Aussie with a mighty big axe to slowly grind .... Just a thought.

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    Quote I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.
    I know angelahedgehog thats why I highlighted the Freemasons info on the new thread......because unless you have followed this thread, it could be missed..

    The drug & pop culture was set up allegedly by intelligence agencies as a
    social experiment and exploition of Children has never been on the elites
    agenda they like adults are here to be exploited , however they see fit !!

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...th-Wales-case-....
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    I was just discussing this case with my daughter and said as David Icke has pointed out if this doesn't lead to the royal family its a cover up....she said but they've covered up everything all along, all they have to do is say yes we investigated and we found nothing.....Does anyone have any idea how this could come to any other conclusion?? I see lots of info coming out all the time but do you think it will ever really be made into something that will stick with regards to the royals?

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    Quote I was just discussing this case with my daughter and said as David Icke has pointed out if this doesn't lead to the royal family its a cover up....she said but they've covered up everything all along, all they have to do is say yes we investigated and we found nothing.....Does anyone have any idea how this could come to any other conclusion?? I see lots of info coming out all the time but do you think it will ever really be made into something that will stick with regards to the royals?
    At the end of the David & Alex Jones interview on # 171 page 9

    Quote .....David says at the end 'If the police do not end up knocking
    on the doors of Buckingham Palace, then you know there is still a
    cover up !!
    When you look into it there are abuse cases by the powerfull, wealthy elites
    all over the world ! Plus many many other types of abuse from sweatshop
    slavery to missing millions of children....Have many have ended up in
    these sick peoples sacrifices................Then the otherside of Davids
    & others research is not so far fetched !!

    Saville Had keys cut to the Morgues!! How sick is that !!! Necrophelia !!



    Was Jimmy Savile a necrophiliac too?
    Reports this week suggest he may have had keys and open access to a morgue


    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...o-8216476.html
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    Quote I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.
    I know angelahedgehog thats why I highlighted the Freemasons info on the new thread......beacuse unless you have followed this thread, it could be missed..

    The drug & pop culture was set up allegedly by intelligence agencies as a
    social experiment and exploition of Children has never been on the elites
    agenda they like adults are here to be exploited by however they see fit !!

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...th-Wales-case-....
    Yeah, I've seen a lot of information about that. I just posted the link to the piece because it was relevant for this thread but this whole issue is a long and winding rabbit hole.

    Thanks for the thread link, I'll check it out later

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    This is the balance....If false allegations are made, Obviously they need to speak
    up now it is in the open!!....Injustice can happen on both sides, but this must
    not be buried again in beaurocracy !! Lord Mc Alpine should be appologised to
    for any false accusations !!

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    9 November 2012 Last updated at 18:01

    .Lord McAlpine 'to take legal action' over abuse claimsLord McAlpine's solicitor Andrew Reid: "We have to look at Newsnight and the way in which they behaved"





    Video on link .........http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118


    Lord McAlpine has "no choice" but to take legal action over claims of abuse at a north Wales children's home, the Conservative peer's solicitor has said.

    Andrew Reid said claims linking the peer to alleged historical child abuse were "false and seriously defamatory".

    The solicitor was critical of the BBC's Newsnight, on which claims were made although no-one was named.

    The solicitor was critical of the BBC's Newsnight, on which claims were made although no-one was named.

    The BBC said the Newsnight broadcast had voiced concerns raised by an abuse victim, in the public interest.

    Steve Meesham, a former resident of the Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham, last week claimed on Newsnight that he had been abused by an unnamed senior politician of the Thatcher era at the home.

    Mr Messham called for a new investigation claiming a report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse in 2000 had not uncovered the full scale of the abuse.

    In a statement on Friday, Lord McAlpine, 70, who was Conservative Party treasurer from the late 1970s until 1990, said he had been named on the internet and by implication by other media over the claims and was issuing a denial "to set the record straight".

    Some newspapers on Friday reported that the peer had been a victim of mistaken identity.

    Asked by BBC Radio 4's PM programme if Lord McAlpine would take legal action, Mr Reid said: "Sadly he has no choice.

    "We need to take a number of different actions. Firstly to try to get this taken down from the internet, which is not going to be easy.

    "Then we have to look at Newsnight and... the way in which they behaved, the way they trailed, they made it obvious who it was, or who they alleged it was by referring people to the internet.

    "And all the others who have used the internet and just let people know where to go and find the answer because they made these statements recklessly."

    Former solicitor-general Sir Edward Garnier QC has been instructed to act on behalf of Lord McAlpine's solicitors.

    In his statement, Lord McAlpine said he wanted to "tackle these slurs and set the record straight".

    He said: "I have never been to the children's home in Wrexham, nor have I ever visited any children's home, reform school or any other institution of a similar nature.

    "I have never stayed in a hotel in or near Wrexham, I did not own a Rolls-Royce, have never had a 'Gold card' or 'Harrods card' and never wear aftershave, all of which have been alleged.

    "I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children's home in Wrexham."

    Lord McAlpine, whose grandfather founded the McAlpine construction firm, is a life peer who took the title of Baron McAlpine of West Green in Hampshire.

    He became Conservative Party Treasurer in the late 1970s and held the post until 1990. He now lives in Italy.

    The peer, who has been married three times and has three children, said there had been a "media frenzy" surrounding the child abuse allegations in Wales and "ill- or uninformed commentators" had used the internet to accuse him of something he had not done.

    A BBC spokeswoman said: "Newsnight broadcast an investigation into alleged failures in a child abuse inquiry. It worked with the Bureau of Investigative Journalism to give a voice to concerns raised by an abuse victim.

    "It was in the public interest to air these. We did not name any public figure for legal reasons. It is now for the inquiries announced by the home secretary to dig deeper into Mr Messham's concerns."

    Newsnight is already the subject of a BBC inquiry, headed by ex-Sky News boss Nick Pollard, into why the programme dropped an investigation into sexual abuse claims against Jimmy Savile last year.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118

    'Just in on six pm news' ..

    Steve Meecham says picture of Lord Mc Alpine not the one he saw !!


    Lord McAlpine gets man's apology over abuse claims Steve Messham met Welsh Secretary David Jones earlier this week Continue reading the main story


    A former resident of a north Wales care home has apologised for making false allegations of sexual abuse against a Conservative politician.

    Steve Messham said a case of mistaken identity had led to peer Lord McAlpine being linked to the historical claims.




    There are stories the press are now packed like a bunch of Leemings
    outside Steve's flat, so they said on Channel 4 news tonight.

    How 'prattish' is that, chase the story by all means, but don't turn up
    like a pack of dogs chasing a cat !!
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    Lord Mc Alpine's solicitor plans to take down the allegations from the internet.



    Why not instead state that his attempting to find the truth or is his investments at risk?

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    Thanks Mahalall ..........I have just been watching channel 4 news and they have done a couple good reports that I'll post
    when they become availble.....There a danger the media will swing the other way over the Lord Mc Alpine Allegations !

    If Steve Meesham has named the wrong man that does not mean he was not still raped repeatedly by powerfull men.
    Lets hope Lord Mc Alpines friends can help identify the real culprits if they are from among the political elite!

    Lord Mc Alpines deserves a full apology if innocent . But there is still a lot more to the story of Bryn Estyn !
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    I think these people involved have been doing it for so long believing they are 'protected' and have had the legal knowledge and authority to cover up stories and evidence they are bound to have become complacent at some point.

    There are going to be witnesses who will gain strength and courage from us.
    Every new story brings light to more and more mistakes these ppeople have made because they have thought they were untouchable.

    They are using the law now the same as they always have done but now we no longer believe people just because they have a QC after their name.

    Let them go along with what has always worked for them before.
    It won't work this time.
    We have to believe that.

    If they want to keep bringing up the 'Rock culture' fine, let them.
    We know it goes immorally much deeper than that.
    I don't really have an issue with rock stars having sex with 14yr olds if there is consent. It's against the law, fair enough, but is in a totally different league to what is going on to young children in this industry.

    I think we will need to keep pushing for the next layer to be exposed. It's going to be a slow process but we wait until they think we are happy and then we say right, you've looked into this, great, now lets get a bit deeper and deeper until we finally get to the people who we are interested in.

    I'm trying to remain positive and God knows it's hard but what else can we do?

    Zoe x
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    It's chronic pain that prevents the gateway opening.

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    Quote I think we will need to keep pushing for the next layer to be exposed. It's going to be a slow process but we wait until they think we are happy and then we say right, you've looked into this, great, now lets get a bit deeper and deeper until we finally get to the people who we are interested in.

    I'm trying to remain positive and God knows it's hard but what else can we do?

    Zoe x
    Ann Clwyd MP for Cynon Valley gave a good segment on Channel 4 news about four boys
    who were abused at Bryn Estyn from her constintuacy...........not on channel 4 u/tube yet.

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    This is from the BBC website...video on link ...

    Wales child abuse: Publish Jillings report - Ann Clwyd MP
    8 November 2012 Last updated at 19:43 Help A report into abuse at children's homes in
    north Wales which was never released should now be published, according to
    Cynon Valley MP Ann Clwyd.

    She said the effects on the victims cannot be underestimated.

    It comes on the day Prime Minister David Cameron warned of a witch-hunt when it
    came to naming alleged paedophiles.

    Matthew Richards reports.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20256842
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    This enquiry is still alive and needs serious answers ! The Abused were still Abused !




    Published on 9 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


    An extraordinary U-turn tongiht when a Welsh child abuse victim apologises to Lord McAlpine for
    implicating him in the scandal calling it a case of mistaken identity.



    Published on 9 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


    Reporter Paraic O'Brien looks back on an extraordinary week of child abuse allegations involving establishment
    members and an apology from one such victim citing mistaken identity. But have all of the questions been answered? .
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    This is Davids take on it from his web sit and he thinks the same its very odd !

    Is it only me??

    Saturday, 10 November 2012 11:44
    By David Icke



    Let me get this right. I know it’s difficult to grasp the logic of what follows if you have a brain on active duty, but, hey, this is Planet Earth in 2012.



    A man called Steve Messham tells the BBC current affairs programme, Newsnight, that he was abused as a child while a resident in a North Wales children's home in the 1970s/1980s by former Conservative Party Treasurer Lord Alistair McAlpine.






    Except that Newsnight did not broadcast the actual name in its programme.
    Speculation begins and Lord Alistair McAlpine's name is widely circulated across the Internet from multiple sources as being the person that Messham was talking about although Messham does not confirm this.

    On the day that McAlpine's lawyers released a statement denying that he is a paedophile or in any way involved in the North Wales children’s homes scandal, Messham issues an apology to Lord McAlpine saying that it was a case of 'mistaken identity' and that he should never have named him.

    Er, Steve, mate, publicly you DIDN'T.

    WTF?

    This allows the BBC to issue a grovelling statement apologising to McAlpine whom the Newsnight programme never named!!

    Steve Messham said that the reason he has recanted on his not publicly mentioning the name of Lord McAlpine is that he was shown a picture of McAlpine by police 'in the last hour' and he realised it was not the man who abused him over and over and over decades ago.

    Hold on a minute, while I breathe very deeply and sip some very sweet tea. Talk among yourselves.

    Okay, I think I can continue, but I will have to type a little slower.

    Messham says that the problem of 'mistaken identity' arose because police showed him a picture in the 1990s of the person that he said abused him and they told him that it was Lord McAlpine. Now he had seen a picture of Lord McAlpine 'in the last hour' and he realised that it is not the man in the picture that police showed to him in the 1990s.

    This is where you have to take some deep breaths and sip some sweet tea. I do advise it, anyway.

    You are being asked to believe that in the 15-20 years between Steve Messham allegedly being shown the picture of 'Lord McAlpine' by police and accusing him of sexually abusing him in an unbroadcast part of the interview with Newsnight that Messham has never once Googled 'Lord Alistair McAlpine' and seen the pictures of him widely available ever since he said he was abused??

    That he never once sought out a picture of him of any kind in the decades since his time in the children's home until the police showed him one ‘in the last hour’?

    That he didn’t know what McAlpine looked like even when he has been in the news only recently with comments about jailed Polly Peck businessman, Asil Nadir.

    Steve … this is what comes up if you Google the words 'Lord Alistair McAlpine' - pictures widely available way before 'in the last hour' ...

    Steve, mate, I am so sorry for what you went through, and what you are going through now, but for me bollocks is the only word in town.

    Yet now the BBC is issuing 'unreserved apologies' to someone they didn't even name and the mainstream media is running around like headless chickens - 'don't panic, don't panic, it's all explained now, go back to sleep' - on the basis of such transparent BULL**** with regard to Steve Messham.
    You know the most telling and relevant words written on this website in the last week? These ...

    'If the real and full truth comes out about what really goes on away from the public eye it will bring down the British political establishment across all parties and make the monarchy history.'

    That, in my view, is what Steve Messham’s sudden about-turn after decades is really about and the mainstream media may run, and much of the 'alternative' media may run, but I bloody won't.

    Some of us are not chickens and our heads are still intact. Some of us will not go back to sleep because we were never asleep in the first place.

    Is it only me that finds all this absolutely inexplicable?
    I doubt it.
    So who’s got the guts to say so?

    http://80.87.129.146/headlines/75235-is-it-only-me
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    So, does Messham get to have his "accident" before or after they hand over the millions they've put aside to fix this problem?
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    poor guy, as if he hasn't suffered enough......hopefully people see through this BS, he didn't even name the guy and yet he has issued an apology for wrongly accusing him?? someone who was abused would NOT forget that mans face ever!!!

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    From the BBC webpage there are vids on the link............This should not
    distract from the main scandel.........And is nothing to do with the main
    accusations of Jimmy Savilles case !!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20282942



    10 November 2012 Last updated at 19:26

    .BBC Newsnight: MPs urge speedy BBC responseJohn Whittingdale: "There's been a failure of management at every level"


    The BBC has been urged by MPs to act quickly to restore confidence after a Newsnight report led to an ex-senior Tory being wrongly implicated in child sex abuse at Welsh children's homes.

    Culture Secretary Maria Miller spoke of the need to restore "credibility" after the director general said the report should not have been broadcast.

    George Entwistle has apologised unreservedly to Lord McAlpine.

    He said he was only aware of the story after it was broadcast.

    Shadow culture secretary Harriet Harman said there were "systemic problems" over the report.

    And the Commons media committee chairman John Whittingdale said the BBC needed "to act very swiftly in order to try to restore some public confidence".

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    This is the controversial news report......The story is still VERY important !!


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