How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!!

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Derek Laud: Good Friend Of The Camerons
Tuesday, 06 November 2012 10:34

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...-the-camerons-

http://www.ccs-rochford.co.uk/spivey/?p=6744

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Wales child abuse claims: Theresa May to make statement on new inquiry

Home secretary to address Commons on new investigation into sex abuse allegations linked to senior Tory politician

Alan Travis, Patrick Wintour and Steven Morris

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 6 November 2012 09.53 GMT





The former Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham, Wales, which closed following claims of child abuse in the 1970s and 80s. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images


Theresa May is to make a statement to the House of Commons on the fresh investigation into the "hugely shocking" north Wales child abuse allegations linked to a senior Conservative.

The home secretary said the investigation ordered by David Cameron would "look very carefully" into how the original inquiry assessed the allegations of sexual abuse at north Wales children's homes in the 1970s and 80s and make sure it was "done properly".

May told the BBC that the new investigation, to be led by a "senior independent figure", would look at how the original inquiry by the high court judge Sir Ronald Waterhouse was conducted. Steve Messham, who claims he was abused by the Conservative politician, has said the 2000 report covered only a fraction of the alleged assaults.

May struggled on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme to explain why the new inquiry was being set up, despite being repeatedly pressed on the issue: "There is going to be a review of the Waterhouse review, looking at the way it was conducted. These issues are hugely shocking and we have to go back and have a review of that inquiry to make sure that it has done the job that it was supposed to do," she said.

"Given the nature of these concerns, given the background, given the appalling nature of child abuse, we need to look very carefully to make sure that what was done in the past did indeed cover everything it needed to do, and was done properly."

The Waterhouse review ran to more than 1,000 pages and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence for the judge to be satisfied that the unnamed Conservative politician was involved.

The home secretary said her Commons statement, scheduled for 12.30pm on Tuesday, would also address the question of extra support and resources for the North Wales police to work with the new inquiry.


Faced by claims that senior Conservative politicians and other establishment figures may have been involved in the scandal – and a subsequent cover-up – Cameron announced on Monday he would establish an urgent investigation into the conduct of the Waterhouse inquiry, which was held between 1996 and 2000.

The prime minister, who is on an official visit to the Middle East, said on Tuesday: "These are very, very concerning allegations, they are dreadful allegations. We must get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible on behalf of the victims.

"That is why I have ordered this rapid investigation into the previous inquiry to find out whether there was something wrong with it and make sure the victims are properly listened to.

"Today the home secretary will be speaking to the House of Commons and making sure that the police have the capacity to deal with these allegations and make sure no stone is left unturned in getting to the bottom of these appalling matters."

Cameron's spokesman in London said a separate inquiry was expected to be held into how North Wales police handled complaints at the time. That inquiry is likely to be conducted by the National Crime Agency.

Up to five different inquiries are under way, or imminent, looking into various aspects of child abuse. But ministers feel they must be seen to be taking the allegations seriously, especially since the government has condemned the BBC over the Jimmy Savile allegations.

There is also concern in government circles that victims' allegations about abuse were not taken seriously in the past, and that there must be a clear signal from the top of government that any culture of complacency is changing.

Cameron has called on anyone who knew anything about the allegations of abuse to contact the police.

He and the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, rushed to act as the media threatened to identify the senior Tory figure close to Lady Thatcher alleged to have been involved in the child abuse.

The government said it was acting largely due to the allegations made by the BBC Newsnight programme on Friday night, and not due to the campaign launched by the Labour MP Tom Watson.

On Newsnight, Messham said he had been abused by the senior Tory and said the claims had been "swept under the carpet". According to reports at the weekend, as many as three victims have named the Tory grandee as one of their abusers. Newsnight said at least one other victim of abuse in the homes said he was abused by the politician.

Messham was due to meet the Welsh secretary, David Jones, on Tuesday.

In an extraordinary letter to the prime minister, Watson praised Cameron for acting swiftly, but then made a series of further allegations about the extent of the cover-up in other police forces.

"It is certainly important that government departments trawl their archives to see what documents they hold," Watson said. "But my experience of uncovering massive establishment conspiracies leaves me in no doubt that what you have suggested does not go anything like far enough. Its limited scope may even slow things down, muddy waters, damage trails. What is needed is a much wider, but equally immediate, investigation."

He added: "Since sharing my concerns with you at PMQs, a number of people have come forward to say that they raised their suspicions with the police, but investigations were not carried out. One allegation involves alleged child abuse and a former cabinet minister. We both know that many untruths are told about politicians, but this allegation was specific, informed and appeared well corroborated."

The prime minister's spokesman insisted Cameron was "very keen to ensure that everything is looked at properly and thoroughly and that no stone is left unturned".

Another alleged victim, Keith Gregory, claimed names of abusers were excised from the inquiry report, apart from individuals in the care homes, and that the culprits included "MPs, solicitors, factory directors, shopkeepers, senior police officers. The list goes on".

The Welsh first minister, Carwyn Jones, said: "The Welsh government takes these allegations very seriously but could I ask that in the first instance victims of abuse who feel the abuse they suffered was not investigated properly should report their cases to the police. My officials have been in touch with North Wales police regarding these matters."

Jones said the Waterhouse inquiry had been extensive and many of its recommendations for improving child protection were implemented by the Welsh government.

But he added: "I have asked for urgent advice on the terms of reference of the Waterhouse inquiry. I want to fully understand what was included and what was not. That will enable me to consider whether any further inquiry will be necessary."

Jones said he would meet the children's commissioner – a role set up following the inquiry – to "hear his thoughts directly".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...claims-inquiry

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Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
As this dreadful business continues to unfold, wider questions occur to me that I have not seen answered elsewhere:

1) Is paedophilia more prevalent in the UK than in other developed nations?

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

3) Or, once discovered, do we take it much more seriously than other other countries do and expose it in our media?

I doubt it is 1), which suggests hundreds of thousands of children have been and continue to be abused all over the world and their abusers will never be identified.

Nick
Q1. Yes. Becuse our ruling classes are educated through the public school system, where they are introduced to anal rape at an early age.
Q2. Rather the opposite. We cover it up more than anybody else because we are a nation of hypocrites and we like to think that the rest of the world looks up to us, which is a joke.
Q3. The media loves it because it is a twisted form of pornography. Victorian values still have a lot to answer for in the UK.

Some good questions and answers.....................The public school system, I thought was definately part of this culture. I remember the film Young Winston and others where
Children of the ruling class were sent to away to become the next rulers/beaurocrats of the empire and a lack of love from home that, maybe made these young children fall
prey to the system ! of bullying,blackmail and cronyism that keeps most power still in the ruling class's today, where scandal & cover up are a part of life !!

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

I do not think its anymore prevelent here than the rest of the
world, when you look into it. But it may be ingrained into the top of the
establishment more than we realised until David Icke & others started to really publically
expose this 20 yrs ago....None of this is new, history is full of it from the classics
in anciant Greece onwards . Which of course the public elite were exposed to
these teaching and the masses kept ignorent untill relatively recent times.

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LIST OF FAMOUS SATANISTS,
PEDOPHILES, AND MIND CONTROLLERS
by David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html



The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shape-shifting where it has been witnessed.

It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.

David Icke

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Will Gompertz Calls David Icke “Nuts” on BBC

David Icke, edward heath, globalists, latest headline news, News,



Appearing in BBC’s News comedy program “Have I Got News For You”, BBC Art Critic Will Gomert, when presented with an image of David Icke, immediately called him nuts. He then went on to say he was doing rather well at the moment with a sell out 6000 people Wembly gig, only to spoil it by saying it was 11 hours of “Bollocks”.

Two things we found fascinating about this BBC attempt to knock Icke, firstly it fell rather flat. Merton and Hislop didn’t get involved in the usual attack, and much was said about how successful his 11 hour show, without notes was. The other interesting thing was that out of all the people Icke should be pictured with, the BBC chose Ted Heath, who Icke has been saying for years was a child killing paedophile. Could it be that a producer at the BBC knows more than they are letting on.

As for Will Gompertz, draw your own conclusions, but as my grandma used to say, if he looks like a dick, acts like a dick, and sounds like a dick, he’s probably a dick.




The Question was who is the odd one out ? The answer David is because he
was the only one to talk to a sell out audiance and the other three had to
cancel there planned talks due to lack of interrest.....Thats when the idiot
BBC arts correspondent spouted his rubbish !!


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Update 4 November 2012

We’ve just realised that this post may appear to be slightly unfair to the £160,000 a year BBC arts editor who was appointed to the new role in 2009 shortly after a one-man show at the Edinburgh Fringe, during which he asked the audience to draw pictures of penises.

So, in the hope to be more balanced to Mr Gompertz, who boasts close links with Alan Yentob and former BBC director-general Mark Thompson who created the post of Arts Editor, we are sorry if we made you appear a bit odd, here is replacement image.



http://piereport-news.com/tag/david-icke/

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November 2012 Last updated at 16:53

.May launches north Wales child abuse inquiryTheresa May told MPs the head of the National Crime Agency would look at the allegations



Vid of Teresa May on link.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20221959


Home Secretary Theresa May has announced a new police inquiry into allegations of child abuse in north Wales in the 1970s and 1980s.

She said the head of the National Crime Agency would investigate any fresh allegations, and examine the way the police handled the original complaints.

Separately, Mrs Justice Julia Wendy Macur will investigate the terms of the Waterhouse abuse inquiry in 2000.

Some victims say that inquiry did not examine all of their claims of abuse.

One alleges that a senior Conservative figure from the Thatcher era was involved in the abuse.

The allegations of abuse centred around children's homes in north Wales began to emerge in the 1990s. They were highlighted
again last week when victim Steve Messham said the inquiry had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.

"In the home it was the standard abuse which was violent and sexual. Outside it was like you were sold," he told BBC Newsnight
last week, and detailed being tied down and raped in a hotel room.

The crime agency head, Keith Bristow, will look at how the historic claims were handled, and at fresh allegations. He will report
by April 2013, Mrs May told MPs.

The Serious and Organised Crime Agency and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre will also be involved.

But shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper expressed concern about the number of different investigations into child abuse
allegations, saying that they would not be able to draw their findings together.

'What was covered up'

In a statement to MPs, Mrs May said: "The government is treating these allegations with the utmost seriousness.

"Child abuse is a hateful, abhorrent and disgusting crime, and we must not allow these allegations to go unanswered,
and I therefore urge anybody who has information relating to these allegations to go to the police."


Mr Messham later met Welsh Secretary David Jones, and said they discussed "what went on in the past, what was covered
up, what shouldn't have been covered up, and what we can do in the future".

Mr Messham said: "I certainly have confidence that they are taking it seriously... but I haven't got confidence that it's going
to be done properly yet. When the inquiry was announced that was a Tory government - we're back to a Tory government.
Let's see how it goes."

Mr Jones said that the inquiry "must go wherever it leads".

He added: "Frankly the issue of embarrassment is secondary to the fact that a lot of people apparently suffered the most
appalling treatment over many, many years - children, the most vulnerable people you can possible imagine.

"So it's therefore absolutely essential that these people should feel that they have had justice. And wherever the inquiry leads, so be it."

Wider abuse claims

North Wales Police did investigate the care home abuse claims in 1991. Of eight prosecutions, seven former care workers were
convicted. But it was widely believed that the abuse was on a far greater scale, prompting the setting up of a public inquiry in
1996 to look again at the abuse claims.

Headed by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, the inquiry heard evidence from 650 people.

After the report was published in 2000, there were 140 compensation claims settled on behalf of the victims, and numerous
recommendations about children in care homes.

However, concerns have now been raised that the remit of the inquiry was too narrow, and that it failed to consider allegations
about children being taken out of the homes to be made available to abusers.

Richard Scorer, a solicitor who represented 30 victims at the Waterhouse Inquiry, said the previous inquiry had done a
"thorough job" of looking into "what it set out to investigate".

"It could not and did not look into broader paedophile networks. That is not what it was primarily set up to do," he said.

One victim, Martin Watkinson, said what was "finally" needed was "justice for the victims, and prison sentences for the
people who were abusing."

Multiple inquiries

The latest abuse inquiries come in the midst of several inquiries into separate allegations of widespread abuse by former
BBC presenter Jimmy Savile, relating to hundreds of victims over many decades.

Mrs May told MPs that Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary was looking at all forces that received allegations in
relation to Savile. It would examine whether these allegations were investigated properly, and identify wider lessons
from the response of the police forces involved.

Meanwhile, Ms Cooper told MPs: "We have already raised concerns that the Savile investigations ought to be brought
under a single inquiry and we remain concerned that these multiple inquiries have no way to draw together the
common themes, the problems, the lessons that need to be learned."

Mrs May responded: "If, at the end of the processes that we've set in train, it appears that it is necessary to move
forward to a wider investigation then we will look at that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20221959

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Ex-Tory minister Sir Peter Morrison named as Paedophile tonight on channel four news......
Photographs coverd up by police and establishment claimed by
victim......This is how the elites get away with it.....Will the press demand the real
Truth !!!!







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Steve Meesham talking on channel 4 news , graphically about his experiance !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y-Plp2fVDio

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Tom Watson MP asking for a wider inquiry to cover the whole country!
Today in the House of Commons ......


He has also been warned to watch out for his own safety !





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ABOVE: Labour MP Tom Watson has also spoken out against Tony Blair's leadership in the past


LAST week we told how, in a separate case again involving an underage sex ring linked to Margaret
Thatcher’s government, police were warned: “Stop investigating if you want to keep your jobs.”
Now, Labour MP Tom Watson has revealed he has also been threatened for speaking out.
But he defiantly wrote on his blog: “I am not going to let this drop despite warnings from
people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper.

“It’s spooked me so much that I’ve kept a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen.”

The MP last month revealed in Parliament the existence of a paedophile ring linked to a previous PM.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...d-by-warnings/

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This report was from channel 4, 7pm news this evening

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vQsElN3MI0A

Published on 6 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


Cathy Newman is joined by Paul Murphy, who was Labour's Welsh Secretary when the
Waterhouse Report was published - and the Conservative MP, Karen Lumley, who served
on the original inquiry into the abuse allegations.

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Posted by Kiforall (here)
Lets just hope we can trust Cameron, I don't believe we can. Even if he isn't involvedin the paedovile ring

No, but he does have that look about him.....can't we find someone who was at public school with him, preferably the one he was fagging for? [Note to Americans- fagging is the process where the younger boys act as servants to the older boys, administering to their needs in the process. Most of Britain's ruling classes endured this process, later themselves becoming the older boys and ultimately rulers of the proud nation]

Posted by Kiforall (here)
What we need are some undercover orphans with tracking devices, chastity belts and hidden camera's.

If anybody has seen the Stephen Chow film ''Fight back to school'', then I would recommend this approach. A young looking undercover cop with Kung Fu skills is what we need.

Posted by Kiforall (here)
My other idea was to have a TV gameshow, phone in vote style and let the public decide if there is enough evidence to convict them.

Excellent idea. Bruce Forsyth would have been perfect for this show. But what will you do with them if convicted?

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As this dreadful business continues to unfold, wider questions occur to me that I have not seen answered elsewhere:

1) Is paedophilia more prevalent in the UK than in other developed nations?

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

3) Or, once discovered, do we take it much more seriously than other other countries do and expose it in our media?

I doubt it is 1), which suggests hundreds of thousands of children have been and continue to be abused all over the world and their abusers will never be identified.

Nick

This has been posted seperately , but Alex & David cover all the questions
you raised and more in this recent vid Tue 6th nov 2012........
Talking about the massive Peodophile problem in the US & around the
world.....David says at the end 'If the police do not end up knocking
on the doors of Buckingham Palace, then you know there is still a
cover up !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mev39bQosfM

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BBC ..News on line update....

7 November 2012 Last updated at 10:09
.Wales child abuse: Tory aide claims investigated

The Conservative Party says it will ensure there is a full investigation into claims one of Margaret Thatcher's aides was involved in child abuse.
A former resident has alleged that Sir Peter Morrison, who died in 1995, visited the Bryn Estyn children's home on several occasions.
The home is at the centre of allegations of child abuse in north Wales during the 1970s and 1980s.

The home secretary has launched a new police inquiry into the allegations

The crime agency head, Keith Bristow, will look at how the historic claims were handled, and at fresh allegations. He will report by April 2013, Theresa May told MPs.
The Serious and Organised Crime Agency and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre will also be involved.

'Fresh allegations'

On Tuesday, Channel 4 News broadcast an allegation from an unnamed former resident of Bryn Estyn that he had seen the late Sir Peter Morrison -
a former close aide to Mrs Thatcher - visit the care home and drive away with one of the boys living there.
A spokesman for Conservative Central Office later responded by saying: "We will do everything in our power to ensure these serious allegations are investigated fully."

Sir Peter, who was MP for Chester from 1974 to 1992, died in 1995.

Meanwhile, the children's commissioner for Wales said his office had received 38 calls since a victim of the abuse, Steve Messham, spoke out last week.
Keith Towler said some of the calls were from people who "wanted to make fresh allegations" of abuse.
"We're taking calls from anywhere and everywhere," said Mr Towler

Some of the calls were directly related either to the Waterhouse inquiry or to abuse in children's homes dating back to the 1970s and 1980s, he said.
"Other people are raising other issues related to other matters - you will appreciate I cannot go into the detail of that," he added.
The alleged abuse centring on children's homes in north Wales - and specifically the Bryn Estyn home at Wrexham - began to emerge in the 1990s.
North Wales Police investigated the claims in 1991 and of eight prosecutions, seven former care workers were convicted.
But it was widely believed that the abuse was on a far greater scale, prompting the setting up of a public inquiry in 1996 which was headed by
Sir Ronald Waterhouse and heard evidence from 650 people.

After the report was published in 2000, there were 140 compensation claims settled on behalf of the victims, and numerous recommendations about children in care homes.
The allegations were highlighted again last week when Mr Messham told BBC's Newsnight that the inquiry in 1996 had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.
It has raised concerns that the remit of the inquiry was too narrow, and that it failed to consider allegations about children being taken out of the homes to be made available to abusers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

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What David Icke Wrote About in The Biggest Secret in 1998
and the time limit on legal action against the book is long past

Wednesday, 07 November 2012 12:28


By David Icke

This was the same book in which he named former Prime Minister Edward Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and mass
child killer seven years before Heath died (a 'journalist' read him the text days after publication); the book in which
he outed President Father George Bush as a child-killing, child-torturing paedophile; and the book in which David also
exposed the Satanism and human sacrifice rituals of the British royal family.

The Biggest Secret, 1998:




http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...k-is-long-past

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BBC..NEWS...Website....


7 November 2012 Last updated at 16:51

.Wales child abuse: 'No public names' in report The abuse claims centred around the Bryn Estyn children's home in north Wales Continue reading the main story

Two audio ,,,,interviews onlink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776


The author of a shelved report into abuse at children's homes in the 1970s and 1980s said public figures were not among names given by victims.

John Jillings said he did not recall allegations that children were taken from north Wales homes and abused.

One victim said an independent inquiry commissioned by Clwyd County Council, on which the report was based, would have been told of such abuse claims.

Steve Messham criticised Mr Jillings' recollection about the names given.

The home secretary has launched a new police inquiry into the abuse allegations.

North Wales Police investigated abuse claims in 1991, and seven former care workers were convicted.

But as more claims of widespread abuse in almost 40 homes emerged, Clwyd County Council commissioned Mr Jillings in March 1994 to look into the issue. However, his report was never published because of legal concerns.

'Memory fading'

When asked what names emerged from the victims, Mr Jillings told BBC4's World At One: "I'd rather not get involved in listing names because it's a long time behind me, they didn't include well-known people in public life."

"The people the investigation focussed on, because these were the people that the children spoke to us about, were staff members."

Claims of alleged abuse were highlighted last week when Mr Messham said the subsequent government-commissioned Waterhouse inquiry had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.

"In the home it was the standard abuse which was violent and sexual. Outside it was like you were sold," he told BBC Newsnight, and detailed being tied down and raped in a hotel room.

In an interview with BBC reporter Sima Kotecha, Mr Jillings was asked if he remembered Mr Messham's allegations.

"I don't recall it, no. My memory may be fading but I don't remember that was one of the issues he raised with us. I can remember very, very serious allegations of abuse by staff members," he said.

He was also asked whether he had heard claims by one of the victims of abuse by a leading Thatcher-era Conservative politician who is still alive.

"Not to the best of my knowledge. I'm sure that would have lodged in my mind and we would have wanted to investigate it had we known about it."

Mr Messham said he could not remember what he had said to the inquiry but he would have been referring to copies of his police statements in which he had always been "crystal clear" about who abused him.

"If I was certainly in front of an inquiry I would have mentioned the hotels, I would have mentioned these people," he said.

"To say that people outside the homes weren't named, that is completely wrong as well. He [Mr Jillings] says however, and credit to him in this way, 'well my remit was to investigate the staff in the homes'.

"Well, yes, OK, that was his remit but to say he wasn't told of any abuse that took place outside the homes, to say he wouldn't be told about the hotel in Wrexham, I think is appalling."

Mr Jillings said he was led to believe the report was not published because the county council's insurers felt it could result in individual children suing for compensation in a way that could have been costly.

"We were very frustrated, we were concerned on behalf of the children, we felt that we had wasted an enormous amount of time and effort and not to be able to publish the report was totally unacceptable," he said.

Municipal Mutual Insurance said that based upon legal advice it considered the report prepared by Mr Jillings had not been suitable for publication.

A spokesman said: "The Waterhouse tribunal commented in its report entitled Lost in Care, that it was almost inevitable that there would be allegations of a 'cover up' by Clwyd. However, the tribunal accepted these allegations were unjustified."

Mr Jillings said some of the victims may have deliberately not mentioned well-known people when being questioned because they were frightened of the repercussions.

Jane Tunstill, who also worked on the report, told the BBC she did not remember any of the victims talking about politicians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

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This is getting worse.....John jillings says in the audio clip, the reason his
report was not published was in case the victims sued the county council
insurance company for compansation.................This is a scandal in it selfe !!!!

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DAILY EXPRESS....

SIR JIMMY SAVILE was quizzed by police in the 1970s over a string of notorious murders, according to a former cop.

Wednesday 7th November 2012...

The late TV star, who has been accused of abusing up to 300 youngsters throughout his long-running entertainment career before his 2011 death, was questioned by officials about the 'Yorkshire Ripper' killings.

Former West Yorkshire police detective John Stainthorpe tells ITV Calendar News, "When the Ripper was really active, one of the suspects put forward by the public was, in fact, Jimmy Savile.

"Strange as it may seem. Obviously, it was not him, but he was interviewed along with many others."

Peter Sutcliffe was later convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others in the notorious crime spree in and around Yorkshire. He is serving 20 life sentences in a high security psychiatric hospital in Berkshire.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...d-over-murders

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...Ripper-police/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...re-Ripper.html


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THE TELEGRAPH...........


Jimmy Savile linked to North Wales child abuse scandal
Jimmy Savile has been linked to the North Wales child abuse scandal, according to victims


9:18AM GMT 07 Nov 2012
Boys were reportedly molested to entertain Savile at Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham, North Wales.

One victim said he was raped repeatedly by deputy head of the home Peter Howarth.

He said that he and other boys would also have their pyjama bottoms pulled down by Howarth for Savile's entertainment.

The boy, known as "Ben" said that Savile would regularly visit the care home with his brother in a chauffeured limousine.

Boys would be taken to visit him at Howarth's flat if they behaved well.

The victim told The Sun newspaper: "Howarth pulled down my pyjama bottoms in front of Savile. I was helpless as Jimmy watched.

He thought it funny entertainment. This happened to a number of boys."

According to "Ben", Savile would ask him: "What do you want me to do? Can I fix it for you."

The victim added: "He kept on looking at me and smiling and laughing. Then he started rubbing my leg. After that I went to bed but he had other children brought up to him."

Howarth was one of the few people convicted through the original North Wales police investigation into child abuse, carried out between 1991 and 1993.

He was jailed in 1994 for 10 years for sexually abusing teenage boys. He died in jail.

Another victim of Bryn Estyn was Steve Messham, who claims he was repeatedly abused as a child by a senior member of the conservative party, as well as others.

Yesterday he told Channel 4 News that he passed photographs of children being abused, including himself, to the police but they failed to act.

He also said the men who abused him as a teenager frequently threatened him, saying: "If you tell anyone, I'll have you killed."

The Home Secretary Theresa May said that a new investigation into the allegations of child abuse by a senior Tory is "right and proper" amid doubts over whether a previous public inquiry was "appropriate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-scandal.html





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Independent inquiry to examine claims of Jersey abuse
Claims that Sir Jimmy Savile abused girls at a children’s home in Jersey are to be examined by a new independent inquiry.

By John-Paul Ford Rojas
3:56PM GMT 07 Nov 2012
It comes after revelations about the late TV presenter reawakened concerns about his visits to Haut de la Garenne.

Four years ago, the home was the subject of a police investigation over allegations that it was at the centre of a paedophile ring.
Lenny Harper, the officer who led the probe, said last month that while Savile’s name had come up there was not enough evidence to charge him.

Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell, who died in 1985, has also been linked to claims of abuse involving the home.

Plans for the inquiry, which will look into claims of child abuse over several decades on Jersey, have been put forward by the island's
government and will now be put to the vote in its parliament. It will question victims and staff members as well as looking at how the
government dealt with concerns about abuse, and whether allegations were dealt with impartially and free from political interference.

Ian Gorst, the chief minister, said: “We believe the inquiry we are proposing will provide a trusted forum where witnesses can share
their experiences, where a healing process can begin and through which we can develop a shared understanding of the lessons which
need to be learned from our past.” It is the tenth investigation to be set up following revelations about Savile’s alleged abuse at the
BBC and at hospitals, and further claims about abuse at care homes in North Wales said to involve a senior Tory.

The Prime Minister has come under pressure to launch an over-arching inquiry into all the claims but today Andrew Lansley, Leader
of the House of Commons, told the BBC’s World at One that such an “all-embracing” probe might be too slow.
Meanwhile, a former social services director who led a 1990s inquiry into abuse at care homes in north Wales said that it was not
told of allegations involving a senior Tory. John Jillings said those named by victims had included staff members from the home but
not well-known public figures or others who had taken them off to hotels, as has been suggested.

Mr Jillings, 78, said he could not recall claims about a senior Tory.
He said: “I am sure that that would have lodged in my mind and we would have wanted to investigate it had we known about it.”
Steve Messham, who claims that he was abused by the senior Tory, disputed Mr Jillings’s comments, saying he would have mentioned
the allegations when he spoke to the inquiry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sey-abuse.html

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David Cameron warns of 'witch-hunt' against gay people

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aXdAQx8K3j0

David Cameron warns of 'witch-hunt' against gay people
8 November 2012 Last updated at 12:14 Help David Cameron has warned against public child abuse allegations turning into a "witch-hunt" against gay people.

The prime minister made his comment on ITV1's This Morning programme as he was handed a list of names circulating online as paedophiles.

Mr Cameron, who did not look at the names, said anyone with any information about paedophiles should go to the police.

Clip courtesy of This Morning ITV1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20248711

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Can someone explain to me wtf this has to do with being gay??!!!!!

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Can someone explain to me wtf this has to do with being gay??!!!!!

Absolutely nothing ! but I suspect the names on the list and Sir Peter Morrison were/are..............Jimmy Saville was definately not
and most of these people will abuse anyone ! if given the opertunity and the young and vulnerable of either sex are obvious victims ...

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-yQ-bqyOs0c

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There are some allagations and corroberation of cover up on tonights channel 4 news

Sian Griffiths says the photos Steve Meesham stole from the flat of one of

his attackers were ordered to be destroyed.........

There was a cover up and will there be another ?

Strong and upsetting interview............I'l post when they appear on

Channel 4 website !!

The Masons are an avenue thats needs investigation in North Wales ?

Says Keith Gregory and another interviewie,,,,

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some of the interviews are on here


Notes on a scandal: Sian Griffiths on north Wales child abuse

From the initial investigation into north Wales child abuse in 1991 to the Waterhouse inquiry in 2000,
Sian Griffiths has collated details of every allegation and document surrounding the scandal.


http://www.channel4.com/news/


Wow fair play channel 4 one of the correspondents talking about scandel & cover ups could have come straight out of the alternate community !!

Powerfull men covering up the truth ! covering each others back!
Police , military officers being promoted political and establishment
figures sweeping scandels under the carpet !!

He says it here on this report on Hillsborough another establishment
cover up !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M-_YW6DqjT0

He sounded just like David Icke ...WOW !!!

Actually tonights show was highlighting..............

The past on trial: a national watershed?



After revelations about Jimmy Savile, north Wales abuse and Hillsborough, Channel 4 News
looks at how our institutions and processes are failing the victims of national tragedy and scandal.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LGJ1tmn5Mg0

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


Channel 4 looks at the issue of grooming in the past and whether society's reluctance to face the
issues - and a lack of awareness - helped cover up the abuse.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OzlX7VeLwUM

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


PM David Cameron warns of a witch hunt emerging as names are being posted online of people accused of crimes
involving children. The PM was confronted with a list of names today on a live TV broadcast.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tU4hjDJ1AmM

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


Jon Snow chairs a panel including Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg and author Jake Arnot who
discuss how to bring child abuse scandals to light after revelations in north Wales. channel4news.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=noieiR9rPiY

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper discusses serious allegations of crime involving children but says the
Prime Minister could not be expected to discuss individual cases on camera. .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=04KjXx-74DU

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


Cathy Newman speaks to Councillor Keith Gregory, former care
home resident at Bryn Estyn, about the child abuse scandal in Wales. .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PAiHva9kP9o

Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


The Waterhouse Tribunal concluded there was a child abuse ring in north Wales, but names were never named.
Channel 4 is the first to see the list - 54 names in all, 38 accused of sexual abuse - and 11 women are among them,
seven of those accused of abuse.

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THE herald Scotland............

Thursday 8 November 2012
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Fresh call for abuse inquiry
Kathleen Nutt

FORMER residents of Scotland's orphanages are to relaunch their campaign for an independent public inquiry into child abuse in residential homes in light of the Jimmy Savile scandal.


Chris Daly, secretary of victims' support group In Care Abuse Survivors, is to request a meeting with Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who backed a public inquiry in opposition.

Several investigations into child abuse allegations have been launched in the past two weeks after hundreds of complaints against Savile and fresh paedophile claims linked to a north Wales care home

Mr Daly, 47, of Rutherglen, Glasgow, who was physically abused while in care in Nazareth House, a Catholic home, in Aberdeen, during the 1970s, said there are many parallels between the Savile case and the abuse of children in homes in Scotland. These include the fact that victims were not believed.

He said: "I'm delighted at the speed at which the authorities in England have responded to the allegations about Savile.

"I am disappointed our calls for a full inquiry into abuse in children's homes in Scotland seem to have fallen on deaf ears. With the public's attention focused now on how abusers such as Savile managed to get away with their wicked acts for so long, I hope our request will finally be successful."

It is thought Savile, who died last year aged 84, may have abused scores of young girls and some boys over a 40-year period.

The BBC, the Department of Health, police and the Director of Public Prosecutions will all examine allegations made about the late broadcaster.

It has also been announced the National Crime Agency will examine activities at Bryn Estan care home in the 1970s and 1980s. A High Court judge will examine the robustness of the original Waterhouse review into the allegations after a former resident claimed Sir Peter Morrison, a close aid to Mrs Thatcher, visited the home on a number of occasions.

Sir Peter, the MP for Chester from 1974 to 1992, died in 1995.

In Scotland, plans by ministers to establish a National Confidential Forum to allow former residents of all homes to speak out are under way. How-ever, former residents claim the powers of the proposed forum are limited. They want an inquiry that can force former staff to appear and that could pave the way for prosecutions.

Mr Daly first called for an inquiry in 2002 when he addressed MSPs at Holyrood's petitions' committee. The petition led to former first minister Jack McConnell making a public apology in Parliament in 2004 and a report on abuse in care homes in Scotland between 1950 to 1995.

Mr MacAskill, then shadow justice spokesman, supported the setting up of an inquiry in the debate that followed Mr McConnell's apology. "There are precedents elsewhere, such as in Australia, Canada and Ireland, where similar inquiries have been carried out. It is important such inquiries are carried out," Mr MacAskill told Holyrood in December 2004.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "In 2010, the Scottish Human Rights Commission published recommendations to the Scottish Government on access to justice, effective remedies and reparation for survivors of childhood abuse, including a public inquiry." He said the Government was engaging with the commission to consider the recommendations.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...quiry.19340622

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Come on Scottish press look into this scandel !!!





Terrified Scottish Establishment DesperateTo Suppress Exposure Of Their Paedophile Ring

A ring that connects into the 'heart' (wrong word) of the Scottish and British governments
and the Westminster Parliament and involved Dunblane mass child killer, Thomas Hamilton.

Reporter Robert Green has been arrested and will appear in court in Aberdeen on Monday morning
for the crime of exposing these sick and depraved people who get their 'kicks' from sexually
abusing and raping children, including the Down's Syndrome girl, Hollie Greig.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...-suppress.html