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    I have always wondered. Why is the Sandy Hook topic so taboo. Even in alternative media, it is not much talked about. Every other shooting or conspiracy has its share of airtime, but Sandy Hook has always been very taboo to discuss. Is it just me or there is something especially weird with Sandy Hook?

    Of all the things Alex Jones said over the years, Sandy Hook was the thing that got him deplatformed and a major lawsuit on his hands that forced him to walk back on his position.

    Is it because “they” really dropped the ball on their execution of the Sandy Hook psyop? Or is it that they revealed too much of the black magic/satanic ritualism through this psyop, they were too transparent?

    Am I the only one who feels that way?

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    I have always wondered. Why is the Sandy Hook topic so taboo. Even in alternative media, it is not much talked about. Every other shooting or conspiracy has its share of airtime, but Sandy Hook has always been very taboo to discuss. Is it just me or there is something especially weird with Sandy Hook?

    Of all the things Alex Jones said over the years, Sandy Hook was the thing that got him deplatformed and a major lawsuit on his hands that forced him to walk back on his position.

    Is it because “they” really dropped the ball on their execution of the Sandy Hook psyop? Or is it that they revealed too much of the black magic/satanic ritualism through this psyop, they were too transparent?

    Am I the only one who feels that way?
    I think that Sandy Hook is NOT at all what was presented. I still think this is the best video I saw about the "reality created"


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/tFd5xSkSkCXb/

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    Alex Jones must pay at least $4.1 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school massacre victim in defamation case, jury rules
    By Safia Samee Ali
    8/4/22
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...vict-rcna41493

    "Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, whose son Jesse died in the 2012 attack, had sought damages for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

    An Austin jury on Thursday decided Infowars host Alex Jones must pay at least $4.1 million to the family of a 6-year-old killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting for the suffering he and his website and broadcast caused them by spreading lies about the 2012 massacre.

    Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, whose son Jesse died alongside 19 of his classmates and six educators at the school in Newtown, Connecticut, had sought $150 million for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

    An attorney for Jones, who has repeatedly suggested that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax, asked jurors to award Heslin and Lewis only $1.

    The jury was only asked to decide whether Jones, who has already been found liable by a judge because he did not hand over critical evidence before the trial began, must also pay Jesse's parents for the emotional distress and reputational damage caused by his false claims. The jury will also decide whether to award punitive damages. The panel will hear testimony on that subject Friday.

    The trial included testimony from both parents and Jones, who has portrayed the lawsuit as an attack on his First Amendment rights. Following the shooting, he had asserted that it was fabricated and included crisis actors. He later acknowledged that it took place.

    His attorney, Andino Reynal, argued that Jones has paid for his mistake by losing millions of followers after he was removed from social media platforms in 2018.

    “He made a terrible mistake,” Reynal told jurors, referring to Jones. “That mistake was weaponized by the same political forces that had descended upon Sandy Hook when it happened.” "

    (It sounds like Alex Jones really dug himself into a deep hole (possibly including perjury) with this trial.)





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    Alex responds to the $4.2 million Sandy Hook verdict...

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/break...-hook-verdict/

    The family being used/weaponized by corrupt authorities to try and get rid of InfoWars and Alex Jones were claiming $150 million... so this is considered to be a kind of victory -

    The judge, (who spookily even looks like a member of the Adams Family) is clearly politicized and totally under control of the Deep State Players....

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    Some interesting new-to-me stuff in that vid, and good to hear the re-cap.

    Not being surprised, or much dismayed, it still is bittersweet knowing.

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    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)
    I have always wondered. Why is the Sandy Hook topic so taboo. Even in alternative media, it is not much talked about. Every other shooting or conspiracy has its share of airtime, but Sandy Hook has always been very taboo to discuss. Is it just me or there is something especially weird with Sandy Hook?

    Of all the things Alex Jones said over the years, Sandy Hook was the thing that got him deplatformed and a major lawsuit on his hands that forced him to walk back on his position.

    Is it because “they” really dropped the ball on their execution of the Sandy Hook psyop? Or is it that they revealed too much of the black magic/satanic ritualism through this psyop, they were too transparent?

    Am I the only one who feels that way?
    I think that Sandy Hook is NOT at all what was presented. I still think this is the best video I saw about the "reality created"


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/tFd5xSkSkCXb/

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    • Alex Jones Clears the Air on Sandy Hook
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Alex Jones must pay at least $4.1 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school massacre victim in defamation case, jury rules
    By Safia Samee Ali
    8/4/22
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...vict-rcna41493

    "Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, whose son Jesse died in the 2012 attack, had sought damages for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

    An Austin jury on Thursday decided Infowars host Alex Jones must pay at least $4.1 million to the family of a 6-year-old killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting for the suffering he and his website and broadcast caused them by spreading lies about the 2012 massacre.

    Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, whose son Jesse died alongside 19 of his classmates and six educators at the school in Newtown, Connecticut, had sought $150 million for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

    An attorney for Jones, who has repeatedly suggested that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax, asked jurors to award Heslin and Lewis only $1.

    The jury was only asked to decide whether Jones, who has already been found liable by a judge because he did not hand over critical evidence before the trial began, must also pay Jesse's parents for the emotional distress and reputational damage caused by his false claims. The jury will also decide whether to award punitive damages. The panel will hear testimony on that subject Friday.

    The trial included testimony from both parents and Jones, who has portrayed the lawsuit as an attack on his First Amendment rights. Following the shooting, he had asserted that it was fabricated and included crisis actors. He later acknowledged that it took place.

    His attorney, Andino Reynal, argued that Jones has paid for his mistake by losing millions of followers after he was removed from social media platforms in 2018.

    “He made a terrible mistake,” Reynal told jurors, referring to Jones. “That mistake was weaponized by the same political forces that had descended upon Sandy Hook when it happened.” "

    (It sounds like Alex Jones really dug himself into a deep hole (possibly including perjury) with this trial.)





    Also posted here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1510742
    I watched nearly all the testimony. Which was painful. Alex Jones was much too apologetic and continually repeated, "I think it was 100% real, I was wrong, people died..." Be that as it may, is he not entitled to think differently? Whether children died was never the point (Jones reported repeatedly, over and over again, five years prior, that he concluded children had died. Why are we still talking about this? Answer: because the MSM is...). People died on 9/11. That doesn't mean 9/11 wasn't a false flag or a synthetic event whose objective was to manipulate public perception and advance an ulterior agenda. In other words, that children died or didn't die is but a subset to a much larger point, that being the events at Sandy Hook are not as 2-dimensional and organic as told by the Ministry of Truth...

    Even though this is a relatively small settlement, this is a horrible precedent. This trial isn't about Sandy Hook. Investigating conspiracies is what is really on trail here. Is getting to the bottom of conspiracies to be illegal now? Or subject to law suits and punitive damages? Wow. Just wow. Apparently the social engineering class can now run roughshod over their mind-controlled subjects with full immunity.

    Yes, Alex Jones questioned what happened at Sandy Hook. So what? Why is he continually apologizing for that? That is what he and his platform does. His lawyers did a horrible job, in my opinion, defending this. In my view, Jones' defense team should have erected a defense on the grounds of the following bullet points:
    • Yes, Infowars questioned the events of Sandy Hook trying to unveil the truth. That's what we do...
    • Yes, getting at the truth is sometimes painful, can appear insensitive and disrespecting, and is often offensive, especially to those who maintain a conflicting version of truth
    • Yes, investigating conspiracies and official coverups sometimes yeilds false conclusions, especially when investigating powerful interests that specialize in obfuscation, deceit, and propaganda.
    • Yes, at one point Infowars questioned whether children died. We considered this possibility because the official story does not add up. Period. As we learned more, we have since retracted that position. Repeatedly. The caricature of InfoWars position on Sandy Hook (which is really what is on trail here) is fully fabricated by the MSM. We apology if some of our initial reporting--and the caricature since created of us--hurt the families of the loved ones that perished, but we do not apology for questioning a spurious narrative. Again, that's what we do....
    • Investigating conspiracies, and specifically conspiracies where evidence suggests governments and powerful interests are its architects is essential to a free society. This investigative-type of reporting should not be tacitly taboo, illegal, or subject to punitive recompense.
    • If the families are subject to defamation and harm, the damages came from the media's caricature of Infowars and of its reporting and of its conclusions on Sandy Hook. Why is Alex Jones on trial for a false caricature of him created by the MSM? Who is really responsible for the family's harm?

    Way too much backpedaling and apologizing on the stand, IMHO. Alex Jones had the aura of man who was not only wrong, but also guilty.
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    It's not over yet for Alex Jones--much yet to come

    Jury Finds Alex Jones Must Pay $4.1 Million to Parents of Sandy Hook Victim

    by Mimi Nguyen Ly
    Aug 4, 2022
    https://www.ntd.com/jury-finds-alex-...ign=2022-08-05

    "A Texas jury on Aug. 4 ordered Alex Jones, founder and host of the Infowars radio show and webcast, to pay $4.1 million to the parents of a boy killed in the Sandy Hook mass shooting, marking the first time he has been held financially liable for spreading the false claim that the shooting was a hoax.

    Sandy Hook refers to the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people—20 of whom were children between 6 and 7 years old—at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 14, 2012.

    Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, separated parents of slain 6-year-old Jesse Lewis, had sought at least $150 million in compensatory damages from Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems LLC—Infowars’ parent company—for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

    The 12-person jury’s verdict came after a two-week trial in Austin, Texas, where Jones’s radio show and webcast Infowars are based. The $4.1 million amount is significantly less than what the parents had sought.

    “We are very pleased with the verdict, and we are looking forward to the punitive damages phase that starts tomorrow,” Kyle Farrar, an attorney for the parents, told Reuters in an email on Aug. 4. Lawyers for Jones did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Jones called the reduced award “a major victory” in a video posted on his website late on Aug. 4.

    “I admitted I was wrong. I admitted it was a mistake. I admitted that I followed disinformation but not on purpose. I apologized to the families. And the jury understood that,” he said. “What I did to those families was wrong. But I didn’t do it on purpose.”

    He added that the award was “more money than my company and I personally have, but we are going to work on trying to make restitution on that.

    Mark Bankston, an attorney for the parents, said that the $4.1 million will be only part of what Jones will have to pay.

    “We aren’t done folks,” he said on Aug. 4. “We knew coming into this case it was necessary to shoot for the moon to get the jury to understand we were serious and passionate. After tomorrow, he’s going to owe a lot more.”

    The jury will next consider the parents’ request for $75 million in punitive damages from Jones for spreading falsehoods about the mass shooting. The deliberations in the second phase of the damages trial are expected to start on Aug. 5.

    Sandy Hook ‘100 Percent Real’: Jones

    Jones had previously spread the false claim that the mainstream media and gun-control activists worked together to fabricate the Sandy Hook shooting, and that crisis actors were involved in staging the shooting.

    During the trial, Jones conceded that the attack was “100 percent real” and that it was “crazy” of him to have spread the false claim. Jones was the only witness to testify in his defense, and he attended the trial sporadically while still appearing on his show.

    Attorneys for the parents in an opening statement said that Jones led a “vile campaign of defamation” by spreading the false claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax. “Mr. Jones was continually churning out this idea that Sandy Hook was fake,” Bankston told jurors, referring to Jones as “patient zero” for the hoax theory.

    The parents told the jury that an apology wouldn’t be enough, and asked the jurors to order Jones to compensate for the years of suffering they and other Sandy Hook families endured.

    Heslin and Lewis testified that after their son died, they faced more trauma over the years, including gunshots fired at a home, threats online and via the phone—including death threats—and harassment on the street by strangers.

    The parents said the threats and harassments were by people who believed in Jones’s false hoax theory, and that those people had falsely believed that the parents were lying about their son’s death.

    A forensic psychiatrist testified that the parents suffer from “complex post-traumatic stress disorder” due to ongoing trauma, similar to what a soldier at war or a child abuse victim might experience.

    A lawyer for Jones acknowledged during his opening statement that Infowars had spread false information. He said Jones lost millions of viewers after being banned in 2018 from major social media and streaming platforms—including Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Spotify—for hate speech and abusive behavior over the Sandy Hook false claim.


    “He regrets what he did, and he’s paying a price for it,” said Jones’s lead attorney, Federico Andino Reynal.

    During his closing argument, Reynal said that while Jones and Infowars had reported “irresponsibly” on Sandy Hook, Jones was not responsible for the harassment the parents faced.

    Jones said during his testimony that he had tried to correct his hoax claims, but “[the media] won’t let me take it back.”

    Separately, in a surprising development, lawyers for the parents said on Aug. 3 that Jones’s lawyers had inadvertently sent them two years’ worth of texts and failed to request them back in time.


    Judge Maya Guerra Gamble denied Jones’s motion for a mistrial. Jones’s lawyer argued that attorneys for the parents should have destroyed the texts immediately.

    Now, the parents can use the records as they wish.

    Bankston used the texts to undercut Jones’s testimony during cross-examination on Aug. 3. Bankston also said in court on Aug. 4 that the U.S. House Jan. 6 Committee has requested the records and that he intends to comply.

    Finances

    Jurors are set to hear more arguments and evidence from both sides about Jones and his company’s finances on Aug. 5. A finance expert is set to testify for the parents.

    Jones’s media company, Free Speech Systems LLC, declared bankruptcy last week. During a broadcast on Aug. 1, Jones said that the filing will help the company stay on the air while it appeals.

    Gamble admonished Jones on Aug. 2 for not telling the truth during his testimony when he said he was bankrupt and had complied with the parents’ request for information prior to the trial. “It seems absurd to instruct you again that you must tell the truth while you testify. Yet here I am,” she said.

    Heslin and Lewis joined other Sandy Hook parents in urging a judge to block Free Speech Systems from sending Jones or his companies any money until they get to the bottom of their finances.


    The parents allege that Jones took $62 million from the company while burdening it with $65 million in “fabricated” debt owed to PQPR Holdings, a company owned by Jones and his parents.

    Jones was set to stand trial in a similar suit in Connecticut in September brought by the families of other Sandy Hook victims and an FBI agent who worked on the case. But the case is now on hold while the bankruptcy proceeds.


    Jones also faces another trial in Austin, Texas."

    Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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