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    To whom it may concern,

    Here we are again rushing to pass legislation in a knee-jerk reaction to another tragic shooting.

    The “feel good” crowd, gun control advocates, and those with a vested interest in disarming America never miss an opportunity to try and ram anti-gun legislation through Congress and eviscerate the Second Amendment.

    The “feel good” crowd just wants to do something to make themselves, our school children and society “feel safer;” to hell with doing something that will actually make us “be safer.” That requires thinking, work and time to get at the root cause of the problem. They prefer to attack the symptom and put another Band-Aid on the problem so they can feel safer and go back to sleep.

    The gun-control advocates just want guns eliminated because they know it’s the guns that kill people and not the people pulling the trigger. These people are not unlike the “feel good” crowd except that they have an agenda to eliminate guns and the Second Amendment. They know that history has proven time and again that if you disarm the masses their governments will do the right thing and protect them. For these people more government and controls is the solution—not the problem.

    Then there are those with a vested interest in disarming Americans. These are the ones who actually control the government and their puppets. They know that if and when the American people actually wake up en masse and realize what has been going on, a large segment of the population will come looking for them and that doesn’t bode well for the psychopaths who believe the world is their oyster and the masses are just their “useless eaters” chattel to do with as they see fit.

    The Vice President says the White House can act without Congress to enact gun control legislation (Fox News: Vice President to meet with gun safety groups).

    Since when did the President become dictator? Is this yet another example of Obama’s “transparent government” where legislation is created behind closed doors and passed quickly and silently when no one is looking—least of all our “watch-dog” media? But then the main stream media is the government’s propaganda machine so why would any sane person think that they would cover anything other than entertainment news and information the government wants the dumbed-down public to believe.

    Let’s examine the statements made by VP Biden and Fox news in the above linked FOX news story:
    1. The VP met with gun-safety and victims groups saying he is “determined” to take “urgent action” to address gun violence and then he goes on to say “This is not an exercise in photo opportunities or just getting to ask you all what your opinions are. We are vitally interested in what you have to say.”

      Really? A complex problem that has been plaguing this country for decades, with little to nothing of any consequence being done, all of a sudden can be seriously addressed in no time at all. One might wonder why it couldn’t have been done decades ago then.

    2. “The White House has sought to avoid prejudging what Biden's recommendations would be. But the vice president hinted Wednesday that executive action -- action by the president in which Congress would not have a say -- would indeed be involved.”

      First, when did Obama become King? Second, if the most brilliant minds in this country could not resolve this issue over decades, does anyone seriously believe that one man can resolve the issue with the stroke of a pen?

    3. “The administration says mental health and the entertainment industry will likely be examined as part of that process.”

      This may be a step in the right direction, but it isn’t going to be resolved in a few weeks or months and probably not even a few years. Certainly, immediately enacting gun-control legislation is not going to address these very real components of the problem. But, then again, they did say these components “will likely be examined.” They never said they WOULD be examined.

    4. “The NRA has been at the helm of fighting those proposals ever since the group broke its post-Connecticut silence and called for a national school security plan to install armed officers at every school in the country. “

      This is just another “feel safer” Band-aid to apply to the problem. We don’t need more Gestapo police, more locked-down facilities, more surveillance cameras, we need to understand and then seriously address the problem of why some people turn violent against innocent people.

    5. “The Washington Post reported over the weekend that President Obama was considering measures beyond reinstating a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. According to the paper, the task force is considering measures like universal background checks for gun buyers, a national gun database, strengthening mental-health checks and tougher penalties for people carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors.”
      • Would universal background checks have prevented Adam Lanza from getting the guns he had?
      • Would a national gun database have all the owners and the guns they bought through the black market in it?
      • What does “strengthening mental health checks mean?” This might be more on track with getting at the root cause. Notice, however, that this has nothing to do with gun control so there is at least a tacit acknowledgement that the person behind the gun might have something to do with the actual problem.
      • Does making more innocent people awards of the state and federal government make us any safer or does it destroy more families? And how many people “give” their guns to minors?
    6. “Asked Monday about the report, Carney reiterated that Obama wants to "close the many loopholes in our background check system" and "supports Congressional actions right away."

      Would closing the loopholes in background checks have prevented the Sandy Hook shooting? Why do you suppose Obama wants to take action right away? Do you really believe it is to protect our children or might it have more to do with moving closer to eliminating the Second Amendment to protect the true powers-that-be?

    At what point do we wake up in this country? America has the most number of people behind bars (over 2 million—as many as China and Russia combined and we’re supposed to be the land of the “free”) than any other country on the planet and over 7 million (1 in every 32 American adults) under correctional supervision. And we all know that criminals obey the law so, clearly, more laws and putting more people behind bars is the answer. We have been fighting the “War on Drugs” for over 80 years. Has it stopped drugs from being obtained or used? Has locking up all those drug offenders and making them felons—thus virtually eliminating their chances of finding work and functioning as ordinary citizens when they are released—helped them and their families? Has anyone determined to commit a crime ever been stopped because it was illegal? What is the “acceptable” number of children and people killed in shootings since banning automatic weapons and high-capacity clips—even if it worked—would just reduce the number killed? It would not stop the killings. If eliminating guns is the solution are we ready to eliminate kitchen knives, all toxic household chemicals, screwdrivers, scissors, fertilizer and insecticides, all pharmaceuticals that could kill, etc? Does anyone seriously believe that even if guns were eliminated it would prevent someone determined to kill others from either obtaining a gun on the black market or choosing some other method of committing murder or is it just the number of murders committed at one time that bothers some people?

    We can either create a prison planet based on fear, hatred, war, secrecy, tyranny, dependency, lies and deceit or we can create a free planet based on courage, love, peace, openness, compassion, responsibility, truth and honesty. The choice is ours. But make no mistake; we’ll never get the latter by doing all the things that are prerequisites to creating the former. Which planet would you rather live on?
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    Default Re: What's the real agenda behind gun control?

    people kill people. A gun needs a mind to move a body to use a gun to kill another person ...The mind has always been the best weapon for protection, not government... The agenda is total control, one government, one religion, one army , one currency, one economy, the comeback of the roman empire ... total control .. shredding the constitution and the bill of rights, that is the agenda...
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    people kill people. A gun needs a mind to move a body to use a gun to kill another person ...The mind has always been the best weapon for protection, not government... The agenda is total control, one government, one religion, one army , one currency, one economy, the comeback of the roman empire ... total control .. shredding the constitution and the bill of rights, that is the agenda...
    Exactly! We are on the same page.

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    Default Re: What's the real agenda behind gun control?

    the elites want us to kill each other not them

    hence gun control LOL

    p.s. the decision to kill can't be taken back, you should consider whether owning a gun is smart or not. i.e. 4 yo kid in court for murder, etc?
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    I was advised the other day that the NRA convinced Obama to put into the Obama care bill some stipulations regarding guns.. and obviously pro NRA. Im trying to find out exactly what that is. Im wondering if this is going to tie their hands somehow and not be able to initiate the regulations that they would like to. One should not underestimate how powerful the NRA is.

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    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.

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    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    One would think that after a decade of the government constantly scaring the hell out of people and brainwashing massive amounts of fear in to the masses that "the terrorists are coming to kill them", that the mere mentioning of taking their guns away would cause a massive panic and social chaos!

    What we are seeing happening now just over the "gun issue" is proof enough for me to conclude that if the majority of the masses are not completely brainwashed`, then they are completely brain-dead.

    "The great awakening"????? hmmm, more like "The great coma"....
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    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    One would think that after a decade of the government constantly scaring the hell out of people and brainwashing massive amounts of fear in to the masses that "the terrorists are coming to kill them", that the mere mentioning of taking their guns away would cause a massive panic and social chaos!

    What we are seeing happening now just over the "gun issue" is proof enough for me to conclude that if the majority of the masses are not completely brainwashed`, then they are completely brain-dead.

    "The great awakening"????? hmmm, more like "The great coma"....
    LOL I actually considered titling this "Are the American people asleep or in a coma?" Let us hope that the masses will soon emerge from their sleep/coma and realize that the terrorists they really need to be afraid of are the ones in government and ruling this planet.

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    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    One would think that after a decade of the government constantly scaring the hell out of people and brainwashing massive amounts of fear in to the masses that "the terrorists are coming to kill them", that the mere mentioning of taking their guns away would cause a massive panic and social chaos!

    What we are seeing happening now just over the "gun issue" is proof enough for me to conclude that if the majority of the masses are not completely brainwashed`, then they are completely brain-dead.

    "The great awakening"????? hmmm, more like "The great coma"....
    SilentFeathers. You make a great point here. Our own government AND media has taken many Americans to a new level of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership. The "war on terror" as reported has probably accounted for a good percentage of gun purchases in the last dozen years. So the same morons in the media who want to disarm americans are the same people who scare some people into purchasing firearms in the first place.
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    But you see, the gun owners are turning into the terrorists in the mind of the public or so the media presents.
    remember 50% of the population owns guns, likely more... so most people don't want gun laws signficiantly changed. Personally I think we should fine people who dont have a gun and know how to use it. Something to think about....

    A novel approach to the gun ownership issue...
    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslackhas read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun. Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermontalready boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .... it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

    " America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.

    Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to payingfor their defense!

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    Unfortunatly the ultimate agenda may be population control... if you understand history that the disarming of nations frequenlty leads to genocide.
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    3. “The administration says mental health and the entertainment industry will likely be examined as part of that process.”

    This is definitely a step in the right direction, but it isn’t going to be resolved in a few weeks or months and probably not even a few years. Certainly, immediately enacting gun-control legislation is not going to address these very real components of the problem. But, then again, they did say these components “will likely be examined.” They never said they WOULD be examined.?
    The mental health aspect concerns me as much as any of the others. Those "crazy and dangerous" people who don't trust their government are obviously a risk to national security, and should be the last ones to be entrusted with use of a firearm.

    Should push come to shove, and these "nutbags" not only refuse "treatment", but refuse to turn over their guns to "authorities" (puke), then the NDAA is waiting in the wings to declare them enemy combatants should need be.

    One or two more Sandy Hooks, and they could quite possibly have the people clamouring for it. After all, how many times have we already heard "Enough Is Enough!"

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    Our own government AND media has taken many Americans to a new level of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership.
    Not to be rude, but reasoning really isn't the correct word to use, IMO

    The government and media morons have taken many Americans to a new level of "ignorance" would be the word I would use.....thus making many Americans more of a bunch of morons than the morons in their government and media.

    ADDED: I feel bad referring to many of my fellow Americans as "morons", but I can't think of a better word to use right now to describe what I have been witnessing happening across this country with many people in recent years....and especially just with in the last month.
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    3. “The administration says mental health and the entertainment industry will likely be examined as part of that process.”

    This is definitely a step in the right direction, but it isn’t going to be resolved in a few weeks or months and probably not even a few years. Certainly, immediately enacting gun-control legislation is not going to address these very real components of the problem. But, then again, they did say these components “will likely be examined.” They never said they WOULD be examined.?
    The mental health aspect concerns me as much as any of the others. Those "crazy and dangerous" people who don't trust their government are obviously a risk to national security, and should be the last ones to be entrusted with use of a firearm.

    Should push come to shove, and these "nutbags" not only refuse "treatment", but refuse to turn over their guns to "authorities" (puke), then the NDAA is waiting in the wings to declare them enemy combatants should need be.

    One or two more Sandy Hooks, and they could quite possibly have the people clamouring for it. After all, how many times have we already heard "Enough Is Enough!"
    Right on Fred. What was I thinking?

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    Our own government AND media has taken many Americans to a new level of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership.
    Not to be rude, but reasoning really isn't the correct word to use, IMO

    The government and media morons have taken many Americans to a new level of "ignorance" would be the word I would use.....thus making many Americans more of a bunch of morons than the morons in their government and media.

    ADDED: I feel bad referring to many of my fellow Americans as "morons", but I can't think of a better word to use right now to describe what I have been witnessing happening across this country with many people in recent years....and especially just with in the last month.
    You are absolutely right SF. And I understand your frustration with our fellow humans. My goal is to never hurt anyone in any way (physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually), but I get so damn frustrated (even angry) at times with people who can't (or won't) see the forest for the trees that I want to shake the livin' s#@t out them. Their complacent attitude not only negatively impacts them and their families, but all the rest of us who see and care about what's going on. We need them awake and aware if we have any chance at all of saving this sinking ship.

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    Default Re: What's the real agenda behind gun control?

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    Our own government AND media has taken many Americans to a new level of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership.
    Not to be rude, but reasoning really isn't the correct word to use, IMO

    The government and media morons have taken many Americans to a new level of "ignorance" would be the word I would use.....thus making many Americans more of a bunch of morons than the morons in their government and media.

    ADDED: I feel bad referring to many of my fellow Americans as "morons", but I can't think of a better word to use right now to describe what I have been witnessing happening across this country with many people in recent years....and especially just with in the last month.
    I believe that most people who had purchased guns for the first time in the last dozen years had reasoned it out. If the reason is fear then so be it.
    I suppose that I could have used "justification", lol.
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    If the government suddenly gains the right to restrict guns through the ruse of "mental health" concerns, we just form one more list compiled by the government, not subject to judicial or any other review, that places an unqualified use of discretion to determine our rights. The so-called "no fly" list is such a list. Folks who can not fly from one place to another. We can't inquire as to why they are on this list. What information is used to form the basis, they just can't fly. I see this ability to hack away at rights through the use of administrative procedures as an executive usurpation of legislative and judicial powers. Slowly but surely there is a general shift in this direction. The NDAA takes the judiciary out, denies habeas corpus (a truly massive shift). The shift of all of these so-called "back-ground checks" will result in misinformation, purposely manipulated information and political input that results in 2nd Amendment denials. Soon we won't need a judiciary or a legislature.

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    A novel approach to the gun ownership issue... [INDENT][INDENT]Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslackhas read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun. Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermontalready boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .... it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

    " America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.

    Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to payingfor their defense!
    He needs to be careful, the next Sandy Hook may need to be orchestrated to take place in Vermont - in order to teach these free thinkers a lesson!

    Mind you - I wonder if the teachers are armed?

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    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    I got this reply from a german 26 year old boy ... if i have a gun the thief will kill me if not he will just steal me and ill be alive. SO i prefer we dont have guns and we stay alive. o.O <- what can you say to that?

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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    I got this reply from a german 26 year old boy ... if i have a gun the thief will kill me if not he will just steal me and ill be alive. SO i prefer we dont have guns and we stay alive. o.O <- what can you say to that?
    I say being concerned with a thief is but a distraction. He used the word "if" also. The government is a real problem and there is no "if" about it. This 26 year old German boy is thinking very small and has allowed himself to be distracted by contrived scenarios instead of very serious matters. The mind control has worked well on him.
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    I do not understand the mindset of any commoner who is in support of gun control. The government is armed and dangerous. They are less dangerous because we are armed. They are more dangerous than our friends and neighbors. They are more dangerous than our common enemies.
    Unless you are part of the government in some way, support of gun control exposes one as a victim of mind control. Arguing this point with me would also indicate mind control.
    I got this reply from a german 26 year old boy ... if i have a gun the thief will kill me if not he will just steal me and ill be alive. SO i prefer we dont have guns and we stay alive. o.O <- what can you say to that?
    I say STUPID KID. Kill the thief. Man, such stupidity. This kid needs not a gun but a brain for obviously his gun wont work with the brain he has. In switzerland everyone has guns and the crime rate is incredibly low considering many have fully automatic weapons..

    Men between the age of 20 and 30 to 34 have fully automatic rifles..
    heres' what snoops has to say about it.

    they have the lowest death rate lower that US about 6 per 100,000 per year where US is about 10 per 100,000
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

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