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    1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy. [I dismiss this, yes]
    If I drop the word "communist", then what would you say to this: "There is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world economy." ?
    To an extent, the abolition of trade barriers and the creation of so called 'free trade' is a step in the direction of what one could label a one-world economy, if one so desired. The creation of a single global currency, its forced adoption, and the establishment of a globally omnipotent legislating body of elites complete with the policing power to enforce its economic will is not something I see as being on the horizon - although I can't say that their aren't a handful of deluded megalomaniacs who have this fantasy.

    I believe it is important to deal with the urgent threats of US and European imperialism, what you might call the same type of evil on a lesser scale, for this horror is unfolding before our very eyes. That the US might collapse under the influence of a greater tyrant is not something I am patiently waiting for.

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    Hi all. My wife and I are about to start a bookstore in Madrid, Spain. Though we are aware of the so-called crisis, we still feel this is a right time to start something. We are planning to take a 60000 o 70000 euro loan in order to start our bussiness this summer. Do you think it is a bad idea? I hope I don't sound too selfish... I guess many people might be interested in reading your opinions about the convenience of doing this at this time.
    "There are no facts, only interpretations"

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    Well, apparently the president of the Eurogroup came to say that this strategy (Cyprus bail-out) represents a new model of rescuing the banks... THey are on a roll and pushing full blast for this!!!

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    Regarding your response T-Smith, I found it on a Sunday, so I have the luxury of time to write a reply. I decided to go back through Hagmann’s comments in the OP and look for statements that might be labelled as information (rather than opinion, prediction). To that end, I selected the main present or past tense declarative statements in his piece. I reviewed them and did not come up with anything novel, with one questionable exception that I will get to. Some notes to summarise:

    1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy. [I dismiss this, yes]

    2) The conspirators seek to destroy the US dollar and collapse the US economy in order to achieve point 1. [I dismiss this because as it relies on point 1 being true]

    3) The US-dollar and global economy collapse has already begun. [Problems in Europe, yes, this is old news. I believe that a total US-dollar collapse is not currently in motion, but of course there are logical arguments for and against that it could happen soon]

    4) Federal agents will be deployed on the streets to maintain order. [This possibility has always been, and always will be. But I do not agree that it will definitely happen in the near future.]

    5) The sum of novel information in Hagmann’s text posted in the OP is zero or almost zero IMO. The only statement, taken at face value, that is notionally revealing (unless you believe the communist stuff) is the one about federal forces preparing for deployment on the streets of America. However I am being generous here, because the statement is not actually very explicit. ‘Final preparations’ implies, but does not commit to, imminent deployment. ‘Streets of America’ implies, but does not commit to a nationwide deployment. ‘Heavily armed’ implies, but does not commit to the use of tanks and machine gun nests etc... Of course, Hagmann is not the first to present the idea of an impending martial law type scenario but he tries to give it weight by quoting an anonymous source.

    To respond more to your own comments:


    ‘I appreciate your perspective here, and while it's tempting to write this analysis off as conservative criticism of Barack Obama, (blah, blah, blah) in my estimation dismissing this discussion as "ideological bias" leaves us vulnerable to the right/left trap set for us by the very orchestrators of the ticking time bomb.’

    Logic and clear communication transcend ideology, if there were pearls of insight or revelation in his material I would be appreciative – regardless of his conservative stance. To illustrate, I always listened to Christopher Hitchens and often valued his material, despite his apostasy. Pearls are pearls and mud is mud. I write off facile, demagogic, ill-disciplined analysis simply because it is facile, demagogic and ill-disciplined.

    Am I falling into a trap because I opposed the right-wing invasion of Iraq? Am I falling into a trap because I argue that oil money should be used to pay for people’s education and healthcare instead of Rolls Royces and gulf stream jets for oil executives? If there is any trap, it is the comfort of complacency.

    ‘The fact is there is a global concentration of power afoot that resembles the emergence of collectivist world government’


    Collectivist world government? The gap between rich and poor has never been greater, we have never shared less. Resources are owned and hoarded not for the benefit of the people, but for the select few. Nations are being split apart – not coming together.

    ‘I don't think it's a fair assessment to write this off as "conspiracy theory."’

    Yes, it is. It is perfectly fair to write off the idea of an impending global communist government - however I disagree on your choice of term, for to call this idea a conspiracy theory gives it more dignity than it deserves. If I were to call it something truly appropriate you'd only see a bunch of asterisks. Communists, socialists and peoples revolutionaries don’t get along too well with Monarchs, I refer you to the events of Russia 1917, England 1649, Libya 1969, France 1789 etc etc, so why would royal elites set up a global communist rule? They’d be the first to lose their privileges. The idea is absurd for other reasons too, as has been pointed out by other posters.

    ‘It is also fine and well to pooh pooh the doom-and-gloom aspects of imminent economic collapse discussed by the OP. But again, the fact is, we are already amid a global economic collapse.’

    Economic collapse in the US is possible, I’m just not expecting it tomorrow. I know about Europe’s even more urgent problems completely independently of anything written by Hagmann.


    ‘the President of the United States is indeed concealing his identity’

    I refer to my original statement on this matter.

    ‘Will we see a collapse of the Euro in the ensuing weeks and then a collapse of the dollar shortly thereafter? I don't know. It may be a premature alarm. But I'm certainly not scoffing at this information. We should take the information very seriously, even if it does appear like ideological posturing.’

    I agree global economics should be taken seriously – it would be an assumption on your part if you think that my criticism of Hagmann’s text means that I don’t take global economics seriously. I also don’t know what will happen, although I am cognisant of some of the possibilities – we’re all speculators at this point.
    Hi Tesseract,

    Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I think the crux of our discussion is a semantic one. I don't take too much stock in words like “right wing”, “left wing”, "communism", "capitalism", etc. Even when well defined these kinds of words are highly charged and attempt to reduce the complexity of social order into a very small box. More often these types of words are so abstract, vague and hackneyed that they mean different things to different people. Semantic deception, as George Orwell showed, can be a very clever technique to get people of common interests to disagree with each other or to subscribe to concepts at odds with their interests.

    For example, what does the word "government" mean? The United States for all intents and purposes is a fascist government run and controlled by concentrated economic interests that have fused with the official government. Yet by a more conventional definition the United States is a Republic run and controlled by democratic representation of the people. These are radically differing forms of governments, yet people will discuss the same government, in the same conversation, using the same words, and vehemently disagree or agree with each other when at the core their viewpoints may be more or less aligned, respectively.

    My understanding of "one-world government" does not look like a monarchy or some other conventional governmental structure with a ruler atop of a throne. It will not necessarily have a militant dictator or even a bevy of groveling and sycophantic senators sucking up to some supreme leader and/or vying for power to rule the world. The one world government I'm talking about is already in a nascent state. At its maturity, we will not see the borders of nation states necessarily erased off the map, nor will nation states officially abdicate full control of their regions and peoples to the technocratic machine of the bureaucratic hierarchy (so long as these nation states remain in line with the program). These are conventional understandings of government. What I’m talking about is an over-arching power structure that will control (essentially “govern”) the conventional governments, be they ceremonial or functional assets of this overarching power structure. This structure may be openly framed and formally structured or it may continue to exist behind the curtain, depending on the degree to which the people of the world lay down to it. Perhaps at the end of the day it will serve the interests of the ruling global government much better to remain behind the curtain, to balkanize and distract people in argument about whether global government even exists or is nothing but a “conspiracy theory.”

    The bottom line: ever centralization of power on a global scale and concentrating economic interests are on a rampage to establish control over sovereign states and their resources, including human resources. This is happening. I can’t image any argument that could dispute these facts. Can we call this government? Yes. Again, what is government? Once these interests pervade all reaches of the globe, including all territories and any remaining rouge governments whose peoples and elected leaders retain delusions of liberty and freedom and/or self-determination, we will have one-world government. What do you think Anglo-American imperialism and the current wars are all about? In the simplest terms they are about paving the way for the full exploitation of the planet’s resources and full access to a global market governed by an oligarchy of elite interests.

    Global government of this magnitude can be achieved only under the umbrella of a collectivist model based on Fabian socialism, where people of the world are rendered the resources of the State (so technically, the OP is off by dubbing this a communist plot). But it is a collectivist plot. People are not individuals with rights; they are human resources, to be employed as a sweat-shop employs labor. Interests of the State are paramount to the interests of the individual, and the individual belongs to the State. This is the cornerstone to all collectivist schemes. It has nothing to do with the well being or equality of the people (save for in doublespeak propaganda to sell the program to the people). Citizens of the world will be trained, not educated. Health care will be rationed, and the weak will be exterminated. These are not my opinions. This worldview is documented in the playbook of social engineers who plan on managing the human-resources class of the new world order (namely, the 99%). Even if one chooses not to subscribe to veracity of the Fabian game plan or wishes to write it off as “conspiracy theory” or fiction, one can advance a strong argument that it is nonetheless unfolding in time just as the Fabian Society grandly envisioned.

    I agree with you that logic and clear communication should transcend ideology, but sometimes even logic and clear communication get stuck on semantic deception. You call the invasion of Iraq a right-wing invasion. Do you really believe that the United States would not have invaded Iraq if Al Gore were elected President in 2000, even though these plans were laid out and on the table by the military industrial complex well before 2000? Why has “right-wing” imperialism escalated under the auspices of a “left-wing” administration? These terms mean little to me. Of course a nation’s natural resources should be used to pay for its people’s education and healthcare instead of enriching the elite. But these are populist ideas, not right/left ideas, and certainly not ideas that suit the interests of a one-world global economy that views people as nothing but expendable resources to be exploited just as oil and land are natural resources to be exploited and expended. In other words, there is no real right/left in the world of government. Right/left is simply a philosophical continuum of populism that exists in the minds of people who believe they are represented in government.

    When people believe their interests (whether right or left) are represented in government they also tend to condone their representative’s failures. The key is to make the people believe their interests are being represented. When their representatives fail to represent their interests, their leaders can blame their mutual opponents. When the opponents expose the weaknesses of the peoples’ representatives (whether right, left, or middle), the representative can call foul and claim the opponent is attacking what he or she stands for (namely the ideology), and not the representative who is clearly representing the interests of global-government overlords and not the people. This is a psyops. I consider the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s identity information and not opinion. But perhaps here we are treading territory that no amount of facts or evidence will ever resolve due to the dynamic described above.

    I get your critique of the sensationalism here. And in some aspects I agree with you. I just think you may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing the OP simply because his seemingly ideological semantics on global government don’t resonate with you.

    Kind regards to you,
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    Without responding to any message in particular, let me offer a few thoughts on this thread as a whole.

    My prespective is that the Hagmann info Bill cites in the original post is laced with alarmist rhetoric designed to appeal, primarily, to political conservatives, and it therefore feels more like a reactionary, anti-Obama, anti-Democrat screed than a genuinely useful and informative piece of wisdom. It is an emotional appeal; It doesn't contain any actual, specific information. This focus on semantics is important because semantics can be revealing: The writer shows a good deal of passion and fury, but also a deep entanglement in U.S. electoral politics and political rhetoric. To me, it raises questions of his discernment.

    I believe we all agree that the events in Cyprus are alarming, yet the refusal of the Cypriots to be rolled is perhaps refreshing. So, while I agree that we need to be very vigilant about the rollout of a planned or controlled economic collapse as a vehicle for consolidating power and control, and as a means of undermining liberties, when someone is going to tell me they have insider information that "it has already begun," I would be looking for a great deal more substance.

    T Smith says in post #64 here: "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater", which is sage advice. But I have to say that after looking pretty closely, all I see in the OP is muddy water. Where/what is the information of value?

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    I don't think I should have to necessarily say this, but ... listen through the religious rhetoric. Listen to the information.

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    Surviving the coming collapse
    By Douglas J. Hagmann
    I have been accused of writing what some people call “doom porn,” or the “end of the world as we know it” type events that center around the collapse of our fiat monetary system. Most of these accusers are the people who follow the writing and ranting of the talking heads of corporate media who are shilling for the very people and governmental bodies that are responsible for putting us in the very position we find ourselves today.

    To be clear, I’m merely an investigator and writer who, for the last 25 years of my career, developed certain contacts working within various levels of our government. I am a much better investigator than a financial expert, an indisputable fact documented by my own personal financial situation. I’m just an average guy with a family, just trying to make ends meet and make sense of it all. Thankfully, my contacts are much more knowledgeable, and it is from this collective group that I’ve tapped for their knowledge and understanding about what we are facing not only as a nation, but on a global scale. A few of my sources were actually present, in-country, during the collapse of the Soviet Union and other nations over the last quarter-century. I’ve interviewed these eyewitnesses to such cataclysmic economic events, and they have shared their accounts and advice that I am offering now.

    While their accounts differ somewhat, there are identifiable common factors I’ve been able to amass from each. Hopefully, by sharing what I’ve learned and studiously researched will assist those with the common questions of what an economic collapse might look like and how we can protect ourselves from the events on the horizon. Please understand that nothing I write is to be construed as economic advice as I am far from having any qualifications in that venue. The information I provide is based on my own extensive research into this area of genuine concern.

    As I’ve previously written, the majority of people believe that an economic collapse cannot or will not happen in America. Frankly, that’s exactly what I believed for the majority of my adult life, until I stopped listening to the people – the very architects of our upcoming and life-changing pain and suffering that is about to descend upon the “working class” in whatever country you reside.

    It’s easy to be dismissive of such warnings as everything “appears” normal on the surface. In most areas, especially America, life continues to be relatively good as people continue to drive shiny new vehicles to their jobs, buy big ticket items and take nice vacations. Well, at least some people. But those with discernment “feel” different. We know that something is terribly wrong.

    While others call us crazy, we’ve broken free from the spells of the talking heads who insist that we’re in “a recovery.” They are either the complicit facilitators of this illusion of normalcy, or the victims of “normalcy bias.” They either cannot comprehend that an economic collapse can happen, or have a stake in the outcome.

    What follows will not address the merits of an argument for or against an “economic Armageddon,” but will attempt to answer two simple questions: what will a collapse of the U.S. dollar look like, and what can we, as normal and average people, do to best protect ourselves and our life’s work?

    Based on my investigation, numerous interviews and hours upon hours of extensive research, one thing appears to be certain. The collapse of the U.S. dollar is a mathematical certainty, it merely a question of when. No one seems able to answer the timing aspect of such an event, although they all comfortably believe it will be sometime within the next 18-24 months at the “outside.” Quietly, however, they have murmured that they don’t think we have that much time.

    Perhaps most important of all is the fact that a dollar collapse will have global ramifications. Simply put, it will bring down the entire economy of the world, so there won’t be anyplace to run to escape. Some places and areas will fare better than others, but it will still affect every civilized country on the planet.

    Also of critical importance is the understanding that this is an “engineered” collapse, one that is designed to introduce a single global currency. (You know, the belief that has been identified as a domestic terror threat by DHS standards). It is unlikely that this global currency or economic reset will be instantaneous, however. There will exist a period of extreme chaos, uncertainty, and a level of suffering that has been never before seen. It is for this period that we must prepare.

    There will be “bank runs” as people try to get their money out of their accounts before the digital figures present in your account – the balances you check frequently – disappear. As the economy of the world reels from this unprecedented event, chaos will become the norm as the unprepared will be panic buying, looting and pillaging. As days turn into weeks and perhaps months, people will be hungry and desperate. Essential services will suffer, and the very things we all take for granted will be strained until broken. Martial Law will become a reality to quell the angry masses who have been victimized by this controlled demolition of our economy. While some areas will fare better than others, no one will escape unscathed except the elite architects of this plan.

    Perhaps this might explain the questions and controversy surrounding the bulk ammunition purchases by the U.S. DHS and other federal agencies, the para-militarization of state, county and local police, and military movements within the United States.

    [...]

    Based on information I’ve received from each source, the U.S. dollar will continue to hold some value, at least for a period of time. That is the actual currency you have in your pocket or safe at home, depending upon your station in life. Accordingly. I would have at least 1-3 months worth of currency on hand, in various denominations, as you should not expect to be able to use ATMs or make withdrawals from your bank or investment portfolio.

    Next, I would be stocking up on food, water and other provisions in my pantry, at least enough for 3-6 months. Even if nothing happens, you’ll be saving money by purchasing today instead of a week or month from now based on the rising food prices. The same for other necessities, such as prescription medicine, fuel for your vehicle (if practical), and so on. You get the idea.

    Another thing I would have on hand, as strange as this might sound, is liquor. If you don’t drink now, and don’t start during this time of crisis, it can be used for trade/barter with those that do. Also, it might come in handy for whatever temporary medicinal effects it might provide in a pinch.

    I would also want to be able to defend what I’ve stored and possess, so I would be sure to have the means to do so. It is a reality that desperate people do desperate things, so being able to defend yourself and property is an unfortunate necessity.

    But what about those who have already made such provisions? What to do with the extra money from your 401K or similar investment? If I had that “problem,” I would consider buying property where I could have the ability to be completely self-sufficient, such as buying a farm where I could raise my own crops and livestock. Too old, perhaps? As I see it, none of us are going to be able to get through what’s coming by ourselves. We’re going to need like-minded people with us to form a “network,” perhaps. Talk to other like-minded people and form such a network, even if you must go outside of your family to do so.

    If that’s out of the question or you have the means, then I would invest in precious metals such as gold and silver. There are many professional economists who snickered with derision at people who invested in gold when it was at $300, $500 and even $1,000 an ounce, and when silver was at $10 an ounce. I would be certain to buy only from a reputable dealer, and always – always take physical possession of the commodity.

    If you are just a normal, average person like me who, after doing your own careful research of our current state of affairs and refuse to rely on the so-called experts who are enslaving us and our future generations through unchecked spending, then you need to prepare. You need to quit listening to the very people who put us in our current financial predicament, realize that both political parties are responsible, and understand that the lie is bigger and more dangerous than you realized.

    There are no “safe” banks, no “safe” investments, no pensions or investments that will remain unscathed, and nowhere to run to escape what’s coming. We have been set up as victims and what we are experiencing, and will experience in ways that few can comprehend, is the result of a deliberate plan devised long ago. Understanding and exposing it is an integral part of our fight, and we must fight so we can survive past it.

    I’ll close with one last “assignment” for those who believe that I have completely taken leave of my senses. Simply look around you, and look at the state of our economy. Look at the “clueless” people who believe that this is some conspiratorial nonsense. Then do the math for yourself. Use the real financial numbers, not the numbers that are thrown out for public consumption by the carnival barkers on the financial news networks. Study history. Consider the real reasons our elected leaders want us disarmed, not the reasons you are told. Turn off the TV and begin to think for yourself. Pray, then prepare.

    Source: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/ar...7945#more-7945

    See also: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post653726
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    I'd rather err on the side of being cautious and prepared. Thanks for the above transcript.

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    To be clear: I'm not saying Hagmann is wrong. I'm saying that the warning which started this thread didn't resonate that well with me because it was laden with rhetoric, and I found it thin on specifics. Like I hear the bell ringing, so you have my attention. Now tell me something.

    All that said, I continue to make my humble little preparations... :-)

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    I don't believe this.
    “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”-Sinclair Lewis
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    Default Re: Doug Hagmann's DHS insider update: “IT HAS BEGUN.”

    Cross-posting from this important thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-within-weeks

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    About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

    Here is what he said:

    Quote This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.
    Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

    See this thread here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tack-in-Europe

    See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack'

    This is something to watch.

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Cross-posting from this important thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-within-weeks

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    About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

    Here is what he said:

    Quote This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.
    Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

    See this thread here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tack-in-Europe

    See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack'

    This is something to watch.

    Hey my brother,

    Actually, the SpamHaus attack was a denial of service (DDoS) attack.

    A massive bank hack that could literally wipe out accounts is another completely different thing, and requires considerably bigger hacking skills.

    So, I wouldn´t take it as a sign.

    Besides, SpamHaus actually deserved it, since it constantly puts legit websites in its spam blacklist and then requests money to clear them. They are douchebags.

    Cheers,

    Raf.

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    Default Re: Doug Hagmann's DHS insider update: “IT HAS BEGUN.”

    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Cross-posting from this important thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-within-weeks

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    About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

    Here is what he said:

    Quote This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.
    Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

    See this thread here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tack-in-Europe

    See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack'

    This is something to watch.

    Hey my brother,

    Actually, the SpamHaus attack was a denial of service (DDoS) attack.

    A massive bank hack that could literally wipe out accounts is another completely different thing, and requires considerably bigger hacking skills.

    So, I wouldn´t take it as a sign.

    Besides, SpamHaus actually deserved it, since it constantly puts legit websites in its spam blacklist and then requests money to clear them. They are douchebags.

    Cheers,

    Raf.
    Hola mi hermano,

    When I read it, I imagined it being some sort of smokescreen for DNS cache poisoning or something like that. I have an active imagination.

    Spamhaus wasn't the only company that suffered. Scottish and Russian companies both experienced similar attacks, but nobody really knows for sure the extent of what's happened (or if it's related for sure). Yes, it does look like it's merely a large DDoS attack in retaliation.

    The dust is still settling.

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    Clif High's Take on Doug Hagmann's Intel Insider

    The link will take you to the 18m:15s mark where Clif gets into the meat of this particular Douglas Hagmann topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKyH3j6gNww#t=18m15s

    Full 01-Apr-2013 Clif High Wujo, concerning Doug Hagmann, Cyprus, Data Holes Merging, Bitcoins, Hyperinflation, Foster Gamble Rant, etc.


    Couple Notes:
    -Clif discounts Douglas Hagmann as an emotional propaganda 'alarmist'.
    -Since the dollar, which came into existence in the early 1900's, is a tool of the Federal Reserve to control the population, then the 'death of the dollar' would be a tool that the 'Fed' can no longer use any more against us.

    Take it for what its worth...
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    For anyone who doubts the demise of the dollar consider the following:

    1) Quantitative Easing #1 & #2. They tripled the amount of US dollars without a corresponding increase in production.

    2) Quantiative Easing #3 Ad Infintum & #4. Together they create over $85 billion more US dollars monthly or over $1 trillion annually.

    3) Death of the Petro-dollar. When Tricky Dick took the US off the gold standard, the Petro Dollar emerged to keep the US dollar in its place as the World's Reserve Currency. Last year Rusdia produced more oil than Saudi Arabia. Last year Russia agreed to sell China all the oil it wants and to accept the yuan as payment. In fact, all trade between them do not involve the dollar.

    4) most Asian nations do not use the dollar or SWIFT when they trade.

    5) Germany, Canada and Australia don't use the dollar when it trades with China.

    6) BRICS don't use the dollar when they trade among themselves. Now the BRICS are talking about a new reserve currency.

    7) IRan accepts rupees from India, Yuan from China and gold from Turkey for its oil.

    Clearly the dollar has fallen from favor and the QEs don't help. Thank you Osama Bin Ber Nank.

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    I personally don't think it's imminent, but more on-going. Cyprus is really small but in certain ways it might be the 'canary in the coal mine'. It's pretty clear that the 'big boys' took their money out months in advance as the latest revelations show and that other 'monies' was moved around and data erased...The acid test was to see a) How the local population reacted and b) What the rest of Europe had to say about it...They got away with it more or less and the elites have tested the mechanism. The big question is wether they will apply it to say Portugal or Spain?

    The currencies will be kept going (notice Germany is re-patriating its gold?) till the carbon trading/carbon credits has taken stronger root as I feel that this will be the 'soft army' of the new supra-wide legislation, laws, cross border intervention and basically punishing countries that don't play ball and a little further down the line the citizens. Logically the ideal set up for more mass control across nations will be to issue each nation with credits (I **** you not) and then each nation will allocate those credits to public services and citizens. Controlling a supply of credits of course means no inflation and ultimate control of a states soverignty....This I imagine is what the elite and the EU and the folks who live in tax havens (only the poor pay tax) dream about as they cuddle up in their branded jim jams.

    Are we heading for a financial and economic crash?

    Yes.

    When?

    Soon.

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    Quote Posted by swoods_blue (here)
    To be clear: I'm not saying Hagmann is wrong. I'm saying that the warning which started this thread didn't resonate that well with me because it was laden with rhetoric, and I found it thin on specifics. Like I hear the bell ringing, so you have my attention. Now tell me something.

    All that said, I continue to make my humble little preparations... :-)
    Obama has created more debt than Bush and Bush created more debt than all previous presidents combined.


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    April 5: 2013:
    According to insider military and intelligence sources, the Obama regime is preparing a pre-emptive strike against the missiles located on the east coast of North Korea posing a threat to regional and global stability. But what is this all about? Not what you might think.

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    Of course, this isn't all about Obama,
    you would have to have a very short term memory
    to believe that this chess game began only in the recent Obama regime,

    See all the nations involved as a pawns in the multi-dimensional chess game
    or as set pieces to a drama centuries in the making....

    How are people preparing to deal with the fallout of this particular theater?

    And again, how are you planning to help yourself and others through the drama....????

    Heads up, eyes open, heart vigilant.... inner calm
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    And from the MSM, Aol newsfeed....

    Pentagon Delays Major Plan Amid North Korea Tension


    for a balanced view of the game board... LOL

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Thanks Bill it all sounds familier with what has been happening particularly since
    1990 and the fall of the Berlin wall, and makes sence of the thread I put up just
    now from David Ickes site...


    Assault Weapons Ban Dropped from Senate Gun Bill // Congressmen Demand DHS Explain 1.6 Billion Bullets Purchase

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...220#post651220

    Cheers steve..


    DHS Refuses to Answer Congress on 1.6 Billion Bullet Purchase


    Published on 19 Mar 2013

    Follow Luke @ http://www.twitter.com/LukeWeAreChange
    At CPAC, Luke Rudkowski interviewed Congressman Timothy Huelscamp on his
    decision to vote against the NDAA which was due to the unconstitutionality of the
    indefinite detention provision. They also discussed Obama's Disposition Matrix and
    the large ammunition purchases made by the DHS.
    We've known this for years. We've watched the whole thing WWIII unfold like a banner. We've watched as the U.S. has been sold to the highest bidder, as so many other countries have also experienced. And why should DHS answer to OUR OWN GOVERNMENT and the American people? They don't answer to our government or the American people because they ARE the Royal Guard, whether they know it or not.

    Americans don't want to fight their own because they've been fighting so many others for years. DHS offered jobs after 2003, and they were there to take up the slack in 2008, weren't they, DHS is now an American establishment. But what have they accomplished? We now have a military state but our infrastructure is in a shambles. Will it be brother against brother in arms?

    Americans were rallied behind a false 9/11 flag and mom's apple pie. You mean there is no apple pie? You mean our flag doesn't "yet still wave?" That is what the American people would have had to come to grips with and those running the show knew it! And we knew they knew it, and so on, and so forth to ad nausea. How stupid is stupid, and in what context? Gump was right, "stupid is as stupid does" and we are seeing and participating in allot of stupid stuff! In one fell swoop, our actual military has been degraded under false pretenses. Our own military against who, DHS? DHS is us? Disarm the public. What the?

    Don't forget the Christians, there's something for everybody... Agenda 21. Christians are like deer in the headlights in the throws of living Revelation spurred on by a U.S. President openly saying to the world, ...'No, I am not the savior, as some would believe.' Is it Armageddon? It smells like it, tastes like it, looks like it, and feels like it. Has the U.S. turned its collective back on God? If the dollar collapses, will the nation, as a people, do the same? Should they? What would be best? What way does one go when others control the game and know almost your every move? Cat and mouse? Are Christians looking for martyrs? I've literally heard that question, along with how many others?

    These are the "Days of God", just as every day is a day God brings to us. Our young people, and so many, many others in the world have died, and are still dying for???????? WHAT? ...a UN based Global Cabal? Do you hear the hatred across the world? Do you hear the despair? Has anyone taken the time to look at places like the Darfur detainment/displacement camps located in the middle of the desert, or the countless other camps for refugees?

    But the players of the game are tiring of their stale mate; the armies are gathering at the gate. And we know what we know, what we know. And we sit, and we wait for the knock on the door.

    I'm sorry for editing but I have to finish my thought, and I'm trying like all get out to be understood...

    In the mean time, a poverty stricken young woman aspiring to decent but simple life as a beautician is forced to sell herself in some smelly filthy brothel on some side street in Liberia so, she sits drugged out on heroin, speaking the English language better than some in the states calling out for what she wants. "Give me what I want!', she says. In the same area in which she lives, cannibalism is being practiced allot more often. In fact, it was routine for young men to kill an innocent baby and drink its blood before going into battle and, of course, eating their enemies. To me, this is the face of Global Governance; the tower is simply too lofty, and the pit too deep. If this weren't real, it would be fear mongering but it is real and we are going to have to face it and DO something about it.

    I don't know what to do about it, what are our choices and what are we afraid of? I know what I'm afraid of, I'm terrified of what anarchy would bring. The streets of Liberia are literally the walking dead. I cry for the children; we are all children. I know the same thing could happen anywhere in the world.

    This is why I embrace environmental sustainability with all of my spirit.
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    Default Re: Doug Hagmann's DHS insider update: “IT HAS BEGUN.”

    Quote From: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

    [Doug Hagmann]: How soon do you see things taking place?

    [Rosebud]: They already are in motion. If you’re looking for a date I can’t tell you. Remember, the objectives are the same, but plans, well, they adapt. They exploit. Watch how this fiscal cliff thing plays out. This is the run-up to the next big economic event.

    I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring. Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals. When they dip, it will be a good indication that things are about to happen.
    That interview was from last December. I think it's safe to say metals are dipping now, and it is springtime.

    Gold selloff intensifies, falls to $1,383

    Gold Extends Bear-Market Plunge Below $1,400



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