Personal accounts of Native Americans and “Star People”

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I have shared stories from my Cherokee Grand Father, experiences that he directly experienced and some that were passed down by the Native side of my family. I will paste below one small bit from another Thread to give you an idea.

I ran across this article/MP3 below that was in sync with the Native American and the tales passed down for many generations. I know there are others here that are Native American as I am and may have some cool links, stories to share... PLEASE DO!!! Many once sacred and secret legends and stories are now coming out on the Internet. It is very upsetting to the Elders but not unexpected.
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Thread: A question for the masses about your opinion of extra digits (figure/toes)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...--figure-toes-

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
I have read/heard stores of Giants in the Bible with 6 digits, stories of Aliens and Alien Hybrid Offspring with 6 digits, mutations you name it. I always have to flash back to being 7 years old and listening to my Grand Fathers Stories...

My GF who was a WWII NAVY "UDT"/"Frog Man" (Pre-SEALS) team member ran into 3 people/human/men in wet suits all of who had 5 fingers and a thumb on each hand and six toes while clearing a beach in the Pacific. He would place charges on under water shore blockade's and scurry on shore with nothing but a "File like knife and Piano like wire" to take out Japanese military centuries, hide bodies, cut off L ear for proof of encounter/kill and move in for recon then back out to the surf... and to the waiting boat off shore to bring him back to his command.

He reported the people to his commander, said the men looked Mediterranean, short (5'5 about his size) and stocky with short black military hair cuts (No Water/Air Craft Visible). They were perfectly Human accept for the extra digits and shimmering purplish "wet suits". He was in the Navy for quite some time and had lots of interesting stories (Involved in delivery of the 2 nukes that were dropped, he was not proud of but was given recognition for... In High School I interviewed him for an assignment and the teacher said it was the only tape he listed all the way through and gave me an A+ w/RARE) of encounters.

Granted... Native Americans are known for their stories and he was a full blooded Cherokee, but even after he left the old religion and became a christian then became a minister he stuck to his stories. After the programs/experiences I was forced into due to "Lineage" I am not going to doubt him for a second... But I realize how fantastic of a story it is and am fine with doubters.

This is the same GF that told me of an encounter (I spoke of on another thread) on the Reservation of being by Osage Lake (OK) and encountering 2 "blue/green aquatic beings" 1 adult 1 adolescent after exploring an off limits and sacred area with some other curious native children...This would have to be in the early 1930's. I don't think he counted their fingers though and its off topic... but just an interesting story. His Grand Mother told him stories going back generations of our family having similar experiences... We have something that "Runs in the Family" be it a metaphysical, tangible other worldly OR just plain ole psychological.

No idea why I have been sharing more of this stuff lately.... guess I am at that age/stage in life.

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http://www.skeptiko.com/ardy-sixkill...ufo-phenomena/

211. Montana State University’s Ardy Sixkiller Clarke Compiles 1,000 Accounts of American Indian Contact With UFO Phenomena

May 28th, 2013 Alex Tsakiris
Interview explores the personal accounts of Native Americans and “Star People”.

Join Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris for an interview with Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke author of, Encounters with the Star People: Untold Stories of American Indians. During the interview Clarke talks about how a spiritual worldview affects the accounts she’s collected:

Alex Tsakiris: If we unpack these experiences with American Indians that you’re talking about, we assume going in that there’s a different spiritual orientation. I think we assume—whether this is true or not—that in American Indian cultures there’s are a different set of givens. What would you say about that? Is that true? Is that a misconception? And, how might that play into these accounts of encounters with alien beings?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Well, I think again you have to separate tribes. There are some tribes where it’s forbidden to even speak the name of a dead person. Where in other tribes they believe that when someone dies they stay with them for a year. Their spirit remains with them for a year and then after a year they hold a ceremony to release that person. They have ceremonies where they can speak with those who have passed on. They have ceremonies where they can speak with the Ancients or where the Ancients come to them and give them knowledge and answer their prayers or their questions.

So it depends on the tribal group, and it’s difficult for me to say, as a general rule, there is this spiritual connection. But there definitely is with some of the tribes. There’s no question about it. Some of the tribes actually talk about the trip across the Milky Way. That when you die you cross the path of the Milky Way. You’ve got a common theme there that the cosmos plays so much a part in afterlife and death and the ability of the deceased that they never really die. They just move on into another dimension and that they can come back and communicate with the living.

Alex Tsakiris: See, I just think no matter what subtle differences you might have in that worldview, I think a worldview that incorporates this spiritual dimension puts you in a completely different place in terms of dealing with the UFO phenomena.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I do, too, because Native people on a whole are accepting of it. They aren’t skeptical of it. So if you approach it from a perspective that it is part of the universe and that it’s nothing to fear, then that’s one view. But to be skeptical of it and not believe what you’ve seen or to deny that it occurs is a totally different worldview.

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Today we welcome author and Professor Emeritus from Montana State University, Dr. Ardy Sixkiller-Clark to Skeptiko. Dr. Clarke has a long, distinguished academic career working with indigenous populations and is here to talk about her fascinating new book, Encounters With Star People. Dr. Clarke, welcome to Skeptiko. Thanks so much for joining me.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: It’s my pleasure.

Alex Tsakiris: Dr. Clarke, tell us about your book. Obviously how you came to write it. Maybe a little bit about the methodology you used. You’ve worked for a long time with Native Americans and are familiar with some of the cultural aspects of that. How did you come to write this book?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Well, when I first came to Montana State University one of my roles in addition to teaching was I was a director at the Center for Bi-Lingual, Multi-Cultural Education. What the Center did was I would write grants through the Center to recruit Native students to come to Montana State University to become teachers and principals and superintendents. I had gone out to one of the reservations in Montana and had met with a group of students.

The person who helped me out on-site invited me out to dinner. After dinner he said to me, “Do you have some time? I want to show you something.”

I said, “Sure.”

He took me up in the mountains above his village and he parked his car and he reached over and he got a pair of binoculars and he said to me, “If we’re lucky they’ll come.”

I said, “Who will come?”

He said, “Well, the ancestors.”

So we sat on this boulder and we watched the night sky and he told me stories about things that had happened to him and his wife, and his interaction with Star People. Well, I had heard these stories when I was a little girl, as well, so when I left the reservation that night, all the way back to the university I was thinking about, ‘I’ve heard these stories. He heard these stories. How many other Native people have heard stories and have stories to tell?’

So I traveled a great deal, both going to conferences and speaking at conferences and conventions, going out to do research, and to recruit. So what I did was I started putting out feelers. If I went out to dinner with people in the evening I’d say, “Do any of you have star stories? Have any of you ever had experiences with Star People? Have you seen UFOs or anything like that?”

I began collecting stories. Over time, I collected almost 1,000 stories in a 20-year period. They ranged from stories among Native Americans in the 48 states and Alaska because I grouped Hawaii with the South Pacific group. Many of their stories were very similar to what I was finding throughout the South Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand. Then I focused on the Maya in Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico. Although I did have stories that came from the Zapatec, the majority of the stories came from Central America and Mexico and involved the Mayan people.

That’s how I got started. I had basically just put the research away. At the university I had other things to do and this was just my own personal interest. It was done on my own personal time. So after I retired from the university, a tribe contacted me and asked me if I would come out of retirement and do a major project for them. It was a five-year project. I had gone back to Washington, D.C. because it involved a huge grant, and I’d gone back to D.C. and been trained on what they expected me to do and then I went to the reservation.

While I was on the reservation, I had lunch with a group of women. I was still trying to decide whether I wanted to take this job or not because a five year commitment is a really long time. It involved a lot of travel and a lot of time spent away from home. So as I was having lunch with this group of women, we began to talk. I don’t know how the subject of UFOs came up, but I began to tell them some of the stories that I had collected.

One of them said, “Well, what are you going to do with this?”

I said, “Probably nothing.”

She said, “Well, you can’t do that. This is a part of our oral history. You have to put this down so that people will know.”

So on my way back home I got to thinking, ‘Do I want to spend the next five years of my life doing research and evaluation, which is what I’ve been doing for 30 years at Montana State University? Or do I want to write this book?’ Obviously I chose the latter. I decided to write the book, and not only to write this one but I hope to do two more. One on the Maya and the indigenous people of Central America and Mexico and one on the indigenous people of the South Pacific.

Alex Tsakiris: It sounds like you certainly have a lot of material. You know, before we jump too far ahead I thought the first part of that account you just gave was rather interesting. That’s that these stories immediately resonated with your own personal history. Again, if we pull that out of context I don’t know that most people in the United States today or in Europe or in the Western World would at all relate to the idea of being connected to the Star People. What do you make of that? What did that stir up in you? What had you done with that?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: As I was growing up as a child, my grandmother told me a story that the Star Men came to Earth and they lived with the Sun Women. The Sun Women were the women of Earth. A time came when the Star Men had to leave the Earth and the women of Earth were very upset. So a council was held and it was decided that those who wanted to stay could stay behind and those who wanted to return to the stars could return to the stars.

So my grandmother would say to me, “You are a descendent of those Star People and the people of Earth.” And that all of us have a special plan for us on this Earth for that reason. So for me it was a story that I was told and as I grew older, of course, I put those stories away. They were the stories of my childhood. When I became an adult it had no impact on my life until I met this individual who told me his personal story. Of course, that brought back all of these stories of my childhood.

Alex Tsakiris: And I think that gets at something that’s right below the surface of this book because one of the reasons we get excited about this book, that is to hear the stories from Native Americans, is that we think as non-Native Americans that there’s something different about this culture. Something different about their orientation to the world, to their worldview. And maybe that’s true; maybe that’s not true. I’m sure it’s both.

But I think we have to be careful with how we unpack that, don’t we? Especially you as someone who has spent your professional academic career in both worlds at Montana State University in academia but also in working with indigenous people. How do we approach that with sensitivity but also with a desire to gain the benefit of the cultural differences, as well?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I think that’s the thing I was always sensitive to. First of all, I didn’t want to be branded at Montana State University as some psycho professor who was out there advocating belief in UFOs. But at the same time, in the Native community I wanted to be credible. I think that was the key to my success with Native people is that what I did is I just put feelers out.

I didn’t go and attempt to coerce anyone into telling their stories. Some of the people, as I revealed in the book, I’d known for 25 years before they ever told me their story. It was that waiting and watching and even though I was part-Native myself, there was that credibility test that I had to pass before the stories came forth. I hope that that shows in the book that the people who confided in me were people who trusted me.

Alex Tsakiris: Do you have an example from the book where that was the case? Where someone didn’t come forward for a long time and then came forward with a pretty amazing story?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Well, I think the story that Harrison tells of the craft that crash-landed on his grandfather’s ranch in a remote section of the reservation and the survivors lived there until they were rescued sometime later. He took me to the ranch; he showed me where the event occurred. He told me about how when he was a boy he had boarded the craft and what he saw and what he felt. His grandfather, he wanted to remove things from the craft and his grandfather wouldn’t allow it because he said it was sacred.

Then having the Corps of Engineers come in at a later time and build a dam which literally destroyed any evidence of the craft. His grandfather always believed that as they were excavating the land there that they had discovered the craft and had taken it away. Now this was back in the ‘40s and obviously when I talked to him about it he said there were very few cars on the reservation at that time. He said people would stand beside the road and just watch this equipment go by because they were so enthralled and fascinated just by the size of the equipment and the vehicles that were passing by.

So he said they could have removed anything. His grandfather always felt that was what had happened. But his grandfather was also very pleased that he had kept it a secret, that he had somehow protected them from the outside world, and that they had lived there free of observation and free of detection on his land and he was the one who had done that.

I had known Harrison for 25 years. I had gone onto the reservation as a consultant, sent there by the university because the school district in the community was attempting to get a bi-lingual education grant funded from the Federal government. They had a number of children in the school district that did not speak English. They spoke only the Native language.

Harrison resented that. He was a cultural person and the one that everybody turned to, so he resented what he considered university interference. So it took time to gain his trust. Over the years we became close and became friends but it took him 25 years before he told me this story. And I have no doubt whatsoever that what he told me was true.

Alex Tsakiris: Let’s get to that. I think that you have a certain credibility that comes through, not only with Native American tribes but in your work, a longtime, highly-regarded academic who is not only familiar with the university but is working with government programs and has the credibility that goes with that. I do think it’s interesting in a couple of ways. It sounds like you were the only person who really could have written this book. I mean, it takes a certain tenacity to stay with this thing for that long, but also the kind of trust that’s required.

What comes through is that these folks who you collected these stories from don’t fit the normal profile of people who are putting forth a UFO story either because it was the most traumatic thing in their life or because they have some other kind of ulterior motive. It sounds like there was a different agenda here in terms of these people. A lot of them have incorporated it into their life just fine and brought it out because you probed, right?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Right. It was a story that they had shared perhaps with family and friends. Some of them had never told anyone. I think just my presence and when they told me the story I never tried to interject any personal opinions into what they were telling me. I let them tell the stories without judgment. I’m a social scientist; I’m not in the hard sciences so I wasn’t demanding in terms of, “Well, where’s your proof? You’ve got to have some kind of proof.” I wasn’t looking for that. “You tell me your story. You tell me what happened and I will listen.”

Alex Tsakiris: You did something that’s much more valuable. You just gathered a lot of these first-person accounts. When we really sort through them and sift through them we can start looking for the same kinds of patterns that let us know whether they’re reliable accounts. I think that’s a lot better than tracking down some ticky-tacky photos or little remnants that someone has of it. I don’t want to say that, because both can be valuable and you do have some first-person experience that you had with trace phenomena and all the rest of that. All of it’s good.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I think both approaches are valuable but I think that hard science often criticizes social scientists. I’ve had some of that. I didn’t set out from the perspective of trying to attack or criticize or delve into motivations or “Where’s your proof that this happened,” that kind of thing. I just recorded the stories. I think because of that I got some very honest, open accounts of what occurred.

Of course, I think the trust that came along with that was the guarantee that I would not reveal the identities of the individuals. Down the road, if some of them want to come forward and say, “Hey, I’m the person in Dr. Clarke’s book,” that’s fine. But I committed to anonymity and I intend to honor that. Many of the people who actually told me the stories have passed now. These stories go back 20 to 25 years.

Alex Tsakiris: What’s been the reaction from within the Native American community about the book?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Nothing. I haven’t heard anything from the Native community.

Alex Tsakiris: Anything positive like they want more stories or negative like, “Gee, I wish you wouldn’t have brought that out?”

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I haven’t heard anything from the Native community. I’ve had a couple of emails attacking me because I used the term, “American Indians” in the book instead of Native Americans. They were saying, “If you were really a Native American you wouldn’t call Indians American Indians.” Although the book, in the very front of the book, I explain why I used the term “American Indian.”

Several years ago, back when I was still in academia, there was a group of us who were Native researchers who decided that we were no longer going to use the term “Native American” in our discussions in general about Native Americans because we based it upon the fact that the term “Native American” was increasingly being claimed by those individuals who were born within the United States, regardless of their ethnicity. So when we would say we were Native American, somebody who was not of American Indian heritage would say, “I’m a Native American, too. I was born here.”

Alex Tsakiris: I’m six generations Native American, right.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: So what we decided to do, along with the award-winning journalist Tim Giago, who was the founder and editor of The Lakota Times and Indian Country Today and Native Sun News, we decided that even though Indian is a misnomer, for generic purposes we were going to use the term “American Indian” because any politically-correct thinker who believes “Native American” is the preferred identification tag for any tribe is wrong.

We prefer to be called “Lakota” or “Northern Cheyenne.” By our names but if not, “American Indian” is an acceptable term because of the Native American. And I think rightfully so. People who are born here have the right to consider themselves Native Americans. So there have been some attacks along that way toward me but obviously the people who attacked me hadn’t read the book, or at least not my explanation of why I used that term.

Alex Tsakiris: What’s been the reaction from within the UFO community?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: If you talk about the UFO community, the people who are in power and the people who you see their names at conferences—total silence. Whitley Strieber has certainly been positive but I’m not sure he’s a part of that community as such. My leaders have been just absolutely unbelievable. The accolades and the reviews and comments and emails I get have been not one negative one from any of those.

Alex Tsakiris: Where I’d like to go next, I do think that the UFO phenomena, the ET phenomena, is really an important part of what’s evolving as our culture, our understanding of who we are. Obviously how we fit into the world, what this thing called consciousness is. So what I thought was interesting about your book without this even being the purpose of your book, is you shatter some of the paradigms that are most prevalent within that UFO community.

For example, let’s start with the whole origin of the ET phenomena. There’s this debate. Did the ETs arrive in 1947 with the explosion of the nuclear bomb and then the crash at Roswell? Is this a recent phenomenon? What would your over 1,000 first-person accounts tell us about answering that question? The “when” question in terms of this phenomena?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I think for a majority of the people I interviewed, their opinion is they’ve always been here. That it’s not a new phenomenon. They have been visiting Earth for many, many eons. One person said, “Before the beginning of time,” when he was telling me some of the ancient stories. He said these stories go back before the beginning of time. They are the old, old stories. Of course, I don’t include those in the book but what he was saying to me is that this is nothing new. We’ve always had interaction with the people from the stars.

But I also met other people from different tribes who had no connection or no stories that were related to that. It would appear that, depending upon the tribal group, that also varied. I don’t know if you read it but one story, the young man who told me about his grandfather who, when he was a young man, helped bury an alien in the desert. And this was before Roswell.

Alex Tsakiris: I don’t remember the story.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: The young man who told me about his grandfather that buried the alien along with some other teenaged boys. They found him wandering in the desert and he died and they just buried him and never told anyone. They considered that Star Person to be a messenger from the Sky Gods. So they buried him. It’s just a totally different kind of relationship that we’re talking about here.

Alex Tsakiris: Another aspect of the ET/UFO phenomena that we’re constantly trying to get our arms around, once you cross the chasm and say, “Okay, there is something here that we need to study and we need to understand,” let’s jump over there. All the rest is kind of silly to ignore it.

Are we talking about a nuts-and-bolts phenomena i.e., flying saucers and vehicles and beings? Or are we talking about a consciousness phenomenon? Inter-dimensional, mind control, dream kind of phenomena? Or is it both? What does your research tell you?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I think it’s a combination of both. I’ve found that to be present, particularly in some of the Maya stories, that traveling back and forth between dimensions. In fact, sometimes I think when I was listening to some of the Mayan elders that probably the Mayans were the first time travelers because they seemed to have that ability or at least that knowledge of how to travel back and forth. But then Black Hawk also had that ability, the great Sioux medicine man.

I think most of the stories that are recorded in my book, they were the nuts-and-bolts kind of things. What I find is most interesting about them is that they weren’t channeling somebody. They weren’t under hypnosis. They were telling stories as they remembered them. They were not under some kind of hypnotic spell.

Alex Tsakiris: Let’s touch on the potential agenda here, which is speculative and a tricky topic to even approach. I was listening to a presentation the other day by a UFO researcher, Barbara Lamb, who’s done regression therapy work with over 1,000 people who claim to have had contact with aliens. She, like many others, has the distinct impression that there’s some kind of interbreeding, a hybridization process going on here. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I had no stories of that among American Indians, but I did encounter it in Mexico and it Guatemala, of women who claim to have been abducted and to have borne hybrid children. I had one young woman tell me the story that she had been in the plaza one evening with her boyfriend and her friends. She was sixteen at the time. Her boyfriend was sixteen. They were walking back home and both of them were taken. She told me how they struggled because they were being pulled up into the sky. They kicked and clawed and tried to get away.

The next day, she realizes she’s pregnant and she’s never had sex. So she and her boyfriend decide that it’s a Virgin Birth, like the Virgin Mary. They were very strong, devout Catholics. So he decides that he has to marry her because if the marries her there will be no one in the village to criticize or isolate or shun them. He will marry her to protect her because he knows it’s a Virgin Birth. A few weeks later, as the ceremony is being planned, she’s abducted again. When she wakes up the next day she’s no longer pregnant.

Alex Tsakiris: Of course, those kinds of accounts directly relate to so many accounts that other UFO researchers, John Mack at Harvard, Budd Hopkins, just many, many very credible UFO researchers have found the same things. It’s interesting that you’ve run across that, as well.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I ran across more than one case. I had a wonderful guide who knew what I was doing and he was taking me to these different sites. Actually, back when I was about fifteen years old a librarian handed me this book called, Incidents of Travel in the Yucatan. It was by two 19th Century explorers by the name of Stephens and Catherwood. They had heard rumors of these great cities in the jungles of Mexico and Central America that had been built and they went there in search of them. Of course, the book chronicles their trip. I had promised myself when I was a teenager that one day I was going to follow in their footsteps and go to all these ancient cities.

Then the years passed, making a living and getting my degree took the forefront and my dream of following Catherwood and Stephens through the jungles took a backseat. The day I retired from MSU I was coming home and I saw a yard sale with a bunch of books stacked up against a garage door. I couldn’t pass that up so I stopped my car and here I found one of these old books by Stephens. I thought, ‘You know, this is something I have to do.’ I had read the works by Von Daniken and different people who talked about the Ancient Astronauts and everything in these cities.

So I was interested in following up not only on Stephens and Catherwood but also finding out first-hand the experiences of modern-day Maya with UFOs. Down there, most of them call them the “Sky Gods.” So that’s what I set out to do and along the way I had some wonderful people helping me. I was actually taken to this village where six women came forth to tell me their stories. This young woman who was now in her twenties told me the story of what had happened to her. It was quite an interesting night.

It was interesting, too, because of the lack of sophisticated methods of explaining things. Instead of talking about a UFO, two different women described the spacecraft as a gasoline tank that came down from the sky and sat there. I found it extremely interesting to listen to the way they were describing these craft because they didn’t have television in their village. They weren’t exposed to sci-fi movies and all the information that’s out there. They lived on a hillside in Guatemala, away from all that.

Yet when you read UFO literature about the cigar-shaped craft and here they are describing it as a gasoline tank because that’s what they’ve seen in their environment. So that was really interesting.

Alex Tsakiris: Yeah, that is very interesting. It speaks to all the cultural flavoring we imagine goes on in these accounts, especially when we look at the older accounts.

Finally, Ardy, what I want to talk about is spirituality. If we unpack these experiences with American Indians that you’re talking about, we assume going in that there’s a different spiritual orientation. I mean, you’re in your professional career at Montana State University. You have to walk a fine line like we all do. You can’t walk around and say, “Oh, of course I believe in spirit communication and talking with the dead. In fact, everyone I know just assumes that that’s a truth.”

We have this kind of cultural barrier in the West regardless of any kind of religious background we may have in terms of talking about and experiencing spirituality. I think we assume—whether this is true or not and maybe you can tell me if it is—that in American Indian cultures there’s a different set of givens. A different orientation regarding the spirit world. What would you say about that? Is that true? Is that a misconception? How might that play into these accounts and someone’s receptivity to this kind experience that they might have?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Well, I think again you have to separate tribes. There are some tribes that it’s forbidden to even speak the name of a dead person. Where in other tribes they believe that when someone dies they stay with them for a year. Their spirit remains with them for a year and then after a year they hold a ceremony to release that person. They have ceremonies where they can speak with those who have passed on. They have ceremonies where they can speak with the Ancients or where the Ancients come to them and give them knowledge and answer their prayers or their questions.

So it depends on the tribal group. It varies greatly throughout the United States and Alaska. So it’s difficult for me to say that is a general rule, that it has a spiritual connection. But definitely it does with some of the tribes. There’s no question about it. Some of the tribes actually talk–and the Maya do this too–they talk about the trip across the Milky Way. That when you die you cross the path of the Milky Way. See, that’s what the Maya believe. They talk about going to Xibalba.

You’ve got a common theme there that the cosmos plays so much a part in afterlife and death and the ability of the deceased that they never really die. They just move on into another dimension and that they can come back and communicate with the living.

Alex Tsakiris: See, I just think no matter what subtle differences you might have in that worldview, I think that worldview puts you in a completely different place in terms of dealing with the UFO phenomena. I have to tell you…

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I do, too, because Native people on a whole are accepting of it. They aren’t skeptical of it. So if you approach it from a perspective that it is part of the universe and that it’s nothing to fear, then that’s one view. But to be skeptical of it and not believe what you’ve seen or to deny that it occurs is a totally different worldview.

Alex Tsakiris: Right. I think if you have that worldview that is so prevalent in our society and our culture and when you deconstruct it, which is what this show is about really, not so much deconstructing it from a UFO perspective but from a straight scientific perspective…

Dr. Ardy Clarke: That is what I was going to say. Don’t you think that comes from the fact that modern-day society is so controlled by the scientific evidence of everything? Where in the Native community it is not?

Alex Tsakiris: I do think so. But I even think that’s somewhat of a misdirect because I think that the best scientific evidence that we have—for the last 100 years all the best scientific evidence and quantum physics has pointed us in the other direction, right? We’ve just chosen to ignore it…

Dr. Ardy Clarke: We chose to ignore it, right.

Alex Tsakiris: …because the materialism that is so much a part of capitalism and the thing that we live in that we love and our computers and all that pulls us the other way. So we can’t possibly imagine what it would mean to give all that up. So we hold onto what’s familiar. It has all sorts of other implications, as well.

I guess we are coming to that same point, that maybe there is some reality to when people have an orientation where they’re free from that baggage they can look at this and go, “I don’t know. That happened. It does relate to these other stories I’ve heard in my past, so it must be true.” It isn’t as hard to accept. Does that make it easier for them to incorporate it into their life without getting totally whacked out and thinking…

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Right, traumatized. I absolutely believe that’s true because I’ve found very little evidence of trauma among the people that I’ve interviewed. Certainly less than 10%. Maybe less than 5%.

I never sat down and really took each story and put it in a category but I think there was one instance I pointed out in the book where the young woman, her cousin had had an encounter and she had witnessed it. Therefore she really had difficulty dealing with it and had dropped out of school because she figured if there was something out there that had that much power over you and could do with you at will, then what was the purpose of even trying to do anything? Of course, over time she came to recognize that that was a fruitless behavior. But rarely did I encounter that.

Alex Tsakiris: Well, it’s an absolutely fascinating work and I’m glad to hear that there may be some more down the road.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Oh, yes. There will be.

Alex Tsakiris: That’s fantastic, Dr. Clarke.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: Right now there’s a look at translating it into Japanese, of all things.

Alex Tsakiris: Wow, that’s great. So Japanese and probably Spanish has got to be on the table, too, right?

Dr. Ardy Clarke: I don’t know. I haven’t heard anything, but I certainly have been in contact with some people who are interested in publishing it in Japan. I just referred them to my editor. I think you know him, Patrick.

Alex Tsakiris: At the Anomalous Press. Yeah, great folks over there. They have some great books. Again, the book is Encounters With Star People: Untold Stories of American Indians. A fascinating book.

Dr. Clarke, it’s been great having you on. Thanks so much for joining me on Skeptiko.

Dr. Ardy Clarke: It’s been my pleasure. I enjoyed talking to you.




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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DfD9kJJ6j_k

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http://www.drboylan.com/strknrpt2.html

NATIVE ELDERS REVEAL CENTURIES OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT LORE

[Jake]

My friend,,,, Thank you for bringing this to the table!!! I do not have much time to post right this second, but I had to take a second to Thank you!!! Many here at Avalon already know my story. (I am a natural astral projector and have had dealings with different 'peoples',,,) I am Cherokee too! I have had trouble trying to turn my back on mee true 'lineage'... I was not raised with my native family,, (there was an adoption,, long story,,,,) But I have never lived a day without my 'bird clan' nature!!!

Please, continue to keep this thread alive,,, I will be able to post more tomorrow!!!

Thank you soooooo much for this!!!

[GoodETxSG]

Very Welcome!
Adoption has plagued our people by design... AP and RV seem to come quite naturally to CERTAIN NATIVE FAMILY LINES. I come from the Bear Clan.

Posted by Jake (here)
My friend,,,, Thank you for bringing this to the table!!! I do not have much time to post right this second, but I had to take a second to Thank you!!! Many here at Avalon already know my story. (I am a natural astral projector and have had dealings with different 'peoples',,,) I am Cherokee too! I have had trouble trying to turn my back on mee true 'lineage'... I was not raised with my native family,, (there was an adoption,, long story,,,,) But I have never lived a day without my 'bird clan' nature!!!

Please, continue to keep this thread alive,,, I will be able to post more tomorrow!!!

Thank you soooooo much for this!!!

[northstar]

As far as I know I do not have First Nation heritage (Scottish and Irish ancestors) but I have done a great deal of shamanic journeying.
I met two star beings in one such journey and it was a sacred and profound experience for me. Two energy beings came to me and they identified themselves as Star mother and Star father. To this day I still remember it vividly.

[ghostrider]

I am from the wolf clan, my great great grandmother Nanye'hi , whatever she or her line new about star people she took it to the grave with her , my grandmother never spoke about ET's hush hush , only mostly how the white man would abolish our language and religion ... native american indians are the real minority, google how many cherokee's are still alive ... truth their is only less than 200,000 of us left ...

[eaglespirit]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
I have shared stories from my Cherokee Grand Father, experiences that he directly experienced and some that were passed down by the Native side of my family. I will paste below one small bit from another Thread to give you an idea.

I ran across this article/MP3 below that was in sync with the Native American and the tales passed down for many generations. I know there are others here that are Native American as I am and may have some cool links, stories to share... PLEASE DO!!! Many once sacred and secret legends and stories are now coming out on the Internet. It is very upsetting to the Elders but not unexpected.
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Thread: A question for the masses about your opinion of extra digits (figure/toes)


No idea why I have been sharing more of this stuff lately.... guess I am at that age/stage in life.

No idea why I have been sharing more of this stuff lately.... guess I am at that age/stage in life.


Hi GoodeTXSG, Wishing You Well!

My personal happenings of the past half dozen years have powerful Native American and Cherokee rhythm entwined in them...it has been quite a ride of Spirit. I have shared some of my story here and there...and there is so much more to it all that I have not told and I have been humbly grateful for what I feel to be a spiritual gift.

I want to Thank You openly for sharing lately. I firmly feel that You are opening up more now because we are indeed at a 'stage' and transforming/transcending into a form of Our Higher Selves right here and now on Mother Earth and it is getting stronger and more powerful each new day. Star People, Spirit Beings, Higher Vibration Expression of Ourselves...however it is named it is truly coming to be and I am feeling the preliminary signs of it intensely.

Once again I am grateful for You starting this thread with Your personal story and am looking forward to Others sharing personal connections and happenings here... and I will post more too.

[Observer1964]

@GoodeTXSG,

I was wondering what your feelings are about the Terra Papers.


excerpt;

In time, the Star Being would come to trust the six.

By using a small crystal to create images, the Visitor began to communicate with the young men. Calling him the Star Elder, the youths sat at the knee of their Friend, examining all of the crystalline images with great care, piecing together the incredible history of our Solar system and Mankind itself.

Star Elder's message was simple m Star Beings have been here since Earth was a barren rock. They were here when Man was created and have been here throughout his evolution. In some cases their involvement was benevolent, in some cases, it was not. Man has been guided...and he has been misled. The Star Beings have been our Gods...and our Devils.

They have always been here, and they are still here now.

When pressed to explain his presence on Earth, the "Star Elder" stunned the six. There was a war in the skies above, his ship had been downed by enemy forces!


I am called 'Morning Sky'... Robert Morning Sky.

My grandfather was one of the six young Indian rescuers. When I was young, my grandfather told me the story about his Star visitor. He and his friends called him 'Star Elder', a name given out of respect. But as time passed, his name was revealed to the youths. He was called... 'Bek'Ti'.

This is his story...and mine.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...a_alien_63.htm

[GoodETxSG]

I have heard of Robert Morning Sky and been told to find this story by a person on another thread. This story matches up with several legends (More or less) of several traditions including Souix/Dekota. I grew up with a friend who was Souix Nation (I got in more trouble with that guy/rascal) who said there were many stories that he half paid attention to.

Elders seem to be split, traditions have been wasting away and the younger generations have been seduced by the world of materialism that SOME elders have opened up to sacred history, stories and ways going public and to NON Natives... While others are still strictly against it as tradition has always held (I guess your Conservative and Liberal movement of sorts).

I think his stories sound like ones that were based on tradition but maybe (As is the NA way much of the time) lightly re-edited for certain reasons (Be them traditional or personal).
My 2 cents - I really haven't read all of his material just the story you pasted.

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
@GoodeTXSG,

I was wondering what your feelings are about the Terra Papers.


excerpt;

In time, the Star Being would come to trust the six.

By using a small crystal to create images, the Visitor began to communicate with the young men. Calling him the Star Elder, the youths sat at the knee of their Friend, examining all of the crystalline images with great care, piecing together the incredible history of our Solar system and Mankind itself.

Star Elder's message was simple m Star Beings have been here since Earth was a barren rock. They were here when Man was created and have been here throughout his evolution. In some cases their involvement was benevolent, in some cases, it was not. Man has been guided...and he has been misled. The Star Beings have been our Gods...and our Devils.

They have always been here, and they are still here now.

When pressed to explain his presence on Earth, the "Star Elder" stunned the six. There was a war in the skies above, his ship had been downed by enemy forces!


I am called 'Morning Sky'... Robert Morning Sky.

My grandfather was one of the six young Indian rescuers. When I was young, my grandfather told me the story about his Star visitor. He and his friends called him 'Star Elder', a name given out of respect. But as time passed, his name was revealed to the youths. He was called... 'Bek'Ti'.

This is his story...and mine.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...a_alien_63.htm

[GoodETxSG]

OH YES, I am sure you heard the same stories. Heart Breaking and Mean Spirited... How THEY could live with themselves doing what they did at those "SCHOOLS" to Native Children taking away their language, beliefs and traditions after taking the land below their feet... sick and brutal stories against very young children. Most people do not know until how recently this lasted.

Posted by ghostrider (here)
I am from the wolf clan, my great great grandmother Nanye'hi , whatever she or her line new about star people she took it to the grave with her , my grandmother never spoke about ET's hush hush , only mostly how the white man would abolish our language and religion ... native american indians are the real minority, google how many cherokee's are still alive ... truth their is only less than 200,000 of us left ...

[WhiteFeather]

Appreciate this post. Synchronicity strikes my Kola. Bill Ryan had posted many valued websites that he shared with Avalon the other day. Great links. Coincidentally I came to a website that spoke of this topic and i ordered this book several days ago from author Ardy Sixkiller. Coincidence i think not. Im still trying to locate my Great Grandfathers Native American Indian Tribe in Texas and his lineage. I noticed that you are from Texas as well OP and maybe you could connect a dot for me here. Q. What tribes resided in Texas? This would be a big help. My Great Grandfather was a half breed whom resided in Mineral Wells. His last name was Pearson. Maybe we are related........ Cant wait to read the book, its in the mail as we speak. PM me if you have any info on the indian tribes from Texas. Great Thread.

Peace

W.f.

Enjoy Part 1 - 500 Nations. Watch the first 10 minutes its highly addicting. And 5 Stars IMO

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Dr_Qqja4RY

[william r sanford72]

when i was 5 i had my first paranormal vision.i grew up along the muddy miss. river.KEOKUK.Ia.the lands of chief keokuk and his tribes.the visions were almost always the same in the begining.a tall warrior.in full battle dress.almost see through.with a blue light all around him.he never speaks.he only points.when these vision began i thought he was pointing over my shoulder.behind me.as i grew and this spirit would appear i began to realize he was pointing at me.also about a year after my first vision there was a grease fire in our kithchen.i was trapped in a corner and my mom couldnt get to me..she was trying to put the fire out.made it worse.at the height of the flames i seen the warrior spirit suddenly appear in front of me in btween the fire and myself.my mom seen him to cause she forgot about the fire.mouth open kinda thing.when he vanished as suddenly as he appeared.as soon as he vanished the flames died down to nothing almost like all the oxygen was sucked out.it was enough time for my mom to reach me and remove me from danger.the flames burst up again.she called the fire dept. saved the kitchen BUT the damage was always a reminder to me that i had someone watching my back.i have never forgotten this.my mom began to believe me.we talked about it and my visions often after words.also one of my fave books of all time is BLACK ELK SPEAKS..Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala SIOUX.i have many such truths.even to this day my sister in law works for tibal leaders in montana as a wild life spc.really great thread.

[soleil]

i was told i had some mohawk in me, it would make sense if it is mohawk from eastern usa. if that exists, as my grandmothers family is from salem (immigrants from Czechoslovakia) and around (east coast) in Massachusetts.

im sure there is no way to know for sure these days.

i wonder if this has anything to do with a name i keep hearing in my head, dan-EE-kah-AH. thats how it sounds to me.

[onawah]

You might find my post to be of interest:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...646#post674646
About a Zuni elder, Clifford Mahooty, who was scheduled to be a presenter at a recent conference in Sedona.
A friend of mine was planning to attend, and I am hoping to hear from her soon about his presentation.
It's possible that James Tyberonn, the facilitator of the conference, made a video featuring Mahooty, as he has been doing recently with some of the main presenters at his various conferences.
If so, I will share here whatever I hear or see.
Tyberonn has some Native American blood and has been meeting with indigenous elders around the world during his travels for many years, and has done some vision quests, etc.
You might enjoy checking out his work at:
http://www.earth-keeper.com/ and
http://www.earth-keeper.com/earthkeeper.shtm

I have no N.A. blood that I am aware of, but I am aware of past lives as a N.A., and I resonate with that worldview and approach to spirituality.
I have had life-changing experiences during N.A. ceremonies and vision quests.
My forum name, Onawah, is Sioux in origin, I believe, and means "wide awake", a quality I aspire to.
I love the melodious, poetic sound of N.A. languages.
I hope they will not all be lost.

[northstar]

Posted by william r sanford72 (here)
when i was 5 i had my first paranormal vision.i grew up along the muddy miss. river.KEOKUK.Ia.the lands of chief keokuk and his tribes.the visions were almost always the same in the begining.a tall warrior.in full battle dress.almost see through.with a blue light all around him.he never speaks.he only points.when these vision began i thought he was pointing over my shoulder.behind me.as i grew and this spirit would appear i began to realize he was pointing at me.also about a year after my first vision there was a grease fire in our kithchen.i was trapped in a corner and my mom couldnt get to me..she was trying to put the fire out.made it worse.at the height of the flames i seen the warrior spirit suddenly appear in front of me in btween the fire and myself.my mom seen him to cause she forgot about the fire.mouth open kinda thing.when he vanished as suddenly as he appeared.as soon as he vanished the flames died down to nothing almost like all the oxygen was sucked out.it was enough time for my mom to reach me and remove me from danger.the flames burst up again.she called the fire dept. saved the kitchen BUT the damage was always a reminder to me that i had someone watching my back.i have never forgotten this.my mom began to believe me.we talked about it and my visions often after words.also one of my fave books of all time is BLACK ELK SPEAKS..Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala SIOUX.i have many such truths.even to this day my sister in law works for tibal leaders in montana as a wild life spc.really great thread.

Wonderful story William! Yes, you have powerful protectors around you.

[MorningSong]

Thanks for this thread! It greatly interests me!

My maternal Great-great grandmother was Cherokee.... Eastern Tribe, from the foothills of the Appalacian Mountains, North Carolina. Many of my relatives still look very Native American.....

As I child, I would see shadow people, one in particular, all the time. I've also had a past life regression where I experienced a brief episode as a Native American woman.

I don't have any stories to tell, really, because for my grandmother to talk about the "indian" part of our family history was "taboo".

All I know is that I am very inclined to be "Earth" oriented and love the American Native culture and when I ever get back to the States, I always have to head for the area (Rutherford County and Asheville area) where I feel "at home".

[GoodETxSG]

TY for the video, I will watch it ASAP...
I would start with BIA TX division. TX Has quite a mix of tribes spread out and the archives are the same. However the archives are pretty well documented. If you have at least 4 generations of family names going back it shouldn't be a problem... if not it will not be impossible but will take more digging on your part.
http://www.bia.gov/WhoWeAre/BIA/Leadership/index.htm

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Appreciate this post. Synchronicity strikes my Kola. Bill Ryan had posted many valued websites that he shared with Avalon the other day. Great links. Coincidentally I came to a website that spoke of this topic and i ordered this book several days ago from author Ardy Sixkiller. Coincidence i think not. Im still trying to locate my Great Grandfathers Native American Indian Tribe in Texas and his lineage. I noticed that you are from Texas as well OP and maybe you could connect a dot for me here. Q. What tribes resided in Texas? This would be a big help. My Great Grandfather was a half breed whom resided in Mineral Wells. His last name was Pearson. Maybe we are related........ Cant wait to read the book, its in the mail as we speak. PM me if you have any info on the indian tribes from Texas. Great Thread.

Peace

W.f.

Enjoy Part 1 - 500 Nations. Watch the first 10 minutes its highly addicting. And 5 Stars IMO

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Dr_Qqja4RY

[eric charles]

Goodetsxg .

Man you are going to have to try and keep your posts short and sweet my friend , I enjoy reading alot , but man , I dont have time to read a Novel every morning .

[sunflower]

Hi Goode, just wanted to let you know that I am very interested in all you post. A few dots have been connected . I do hope you continue!

[Jake]

Yes, adoption has plagued many peoples by design!! I feel it in mee blood. Last year, I was able to locate my father. He recently sat on a counsel of elders in Colorado. I spent much of my childhood in Mayes County Oklahoma. The northern most counties in Oklahoma is Cherokee stomping ground. There are Cherokees spread out all over the country!!! Less than 200,000,,, well, I am one!!

Goodetsxg,, The natural spiritual nature of American Indians, and the connection to the spirit of the earth and the land and the animals is only part of the story. I know that there is something lurking, just under the radar,,, (so to speak). I am LOST BIRD!!! There is no doubt about that. I have had (literally) THOUSANDS of fully conscious OBEs. I do not have the whole story, but I have a piece of the puzzle. My understanding of this world is woven into an understanding of the non-physical worlds,,, (spirit worlds.) If there are sacred secrets being held by any elder of any of the free tribes in America, regarding our relationship with 'Star People',, then it is time to come forward. I understand that this is much easier said than done. The human spirit suffers from the blindness that is created when any ONE group holds these kinds of secrets. I have personally suffered from trying to make sense of something in my life!! Being far removed from any of my Cherokee history,,, (and the hidden history of my people and Star Brothers and sisters) has augmented my experiences.

I believe that we should be screaming it from the rooftops. It is time to come forward. My father told me that My grandmother would 'soul travel'... I wish I would have known!!! There is actual suffering occurring because much of this knowledge is hidden.

I want to know more!!! How is it that I have a deep knowledge and understanding of these things without ever knowing my native family?? How is it that I am so confused about the out of body experience?? The uprooting of the free tribes of the Americas has taken its toll on our entire planet!!! This secret knowledge MUST be told.

I feel like I have been on the 'front lines' with what I know, and how I approach it. The time for Sitting in the corners and doing and saying nothing, has come to an end.

I CANNOT sit and say nothing! Must be the Indian Brave in me... (Probably an age old scenario,,, youngsters pushing forward,, elders pulling back!!)

Here is an experience that I shared with the Astral Projection Group here at Avalon,,, How is it that I can have such an experience without ever knowing about my peoples history???

12/13/12

Last night, while in deep meditation, I received another R.O.T.E. (Related Organized Thought Energy) from higher self as to the mysteries of Reincarnation and the nature of physical life. There were no words or voices this time, only a deep understanding and knowing of what was ‘stirring’ to be understood.

Remember here that a R.O.T.E. comes in a single package, an entire energetic structure of well organized thought that must be ‘unraveled’ by the end user,, ie,, I had to keep my mind perfectly still in order to read the R.O.T.E.

The whole thing was very ‘Delores Cannon-esque’. (Except nothing was confusing or hard to understand) There are ‘hyper-advanced’ (term taken from the book ’Alien Mind A Primer’) species of sentient life. Consciousness reaches out in spheres of knowing, and permeates into physical reality, while at the same time,,, IS physical reality. Consciousness has layers, like onions. On our layer (dimension) Space-time warps to create physical matter, yet also creates gravity, which acts as a governing force. No particle exists. No energetic element of an atom exists without the other,,, you will never isolate a single electron, or proton,,, the non-local nature of them act in a way that neither of them are ‘pulled’ into existence without the ‘pull’ coming from the other. They only exist as a part of a ‘system’!!! The amazing and wonderful thing about all of this is that one of the key aspects of any system of energy is consciousness. No system of energy exists, or ever will, without a point of observation. The point of observation must exist within any energetic system or there will be no ‘pull’ into physical reality. Without consciousness, all Physical things exist only as variables and potentials. IE…. Consciousness creates reality!!!!! (At least on our fold!)

Our physical Universe re-cycles itself!!! Over and again the physical universe including all galaxies and spaces within,,, expand, and contract and recycle. Not in ’ever repeating big bangs’, but in a cycle that folds into itself while at the same time expanding outward. Many, Many physical universal cycles have come and gone, each time producing new societies that are welcomed into a hyper advanced, multi-dimensional community of beings that have made the journey from consciousness, into different states of physical existence, and made the journey back into a fully energetic, ‘conscious’ state, from the perspective of the Physical journey. These hyper-advanced beings have escaped the physical and hold a perspective that is transcendent of all physical boundaries. Each cycle of a physical universe brings more and more sentient groups into the hyper-advanced state of being and of community. Consciousness being the catalyst for all things.

There are countless physical universes!!! Each physical universe, fashioned by a massive sphere of consciousness. Within all spheres of consciousness exist a desire to create and experience. It is essential to understand that creation and experience exist simultaneously! There is no experiencing without creating, likewise, there is no creating without experiencing. It is a law of consciousness!! It is by this law that all physical and non-physical universes are created. The God-Force spilled out into layers of consciousness, creating and experiencing in a never-ending dance, bearing never-ending fruits! Physicality is inevitable. So are the vast representations of life (consciousness). As the many forms of life have been created, they have been created for the purpose of experience. Experience of the creation brings it all into fruition. So therefore, all representations of life and matter are a direct part of the creational energies that have existed from the beginning.

Therefore, consciousness creates all of the many life forms in order endow the form with spirit in order to experience that particular creation of life. The goal; being to create a physical life form that is free from impurities that can span long terms of ’time’ and sustain the living ’essence’ (consciousness) indefinitely. All races of physical beings are part of this process, and part of an unfolding story, that has not yet been fully told. Throughout the vast non-physical existences, there are ’samplings’ of physical lives being taken. A hyper-advanced ’soul’ will take on a life in the physical, to ’experience’ (create) what it is like being a particular representation of life. ALL ADVANCED EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS (INCLUDING HUMANS) ARE HYPER-ADVANCED BEINGS, EXPERIENCING LIFE IN THE PHYSICAL. Life is a garden! We create and experience different modes of physical and non-physical existences,,, and it never ends. We have all had countless lives in countless different forms. The concept of re-incarnation in a physical human body takes on another level of meaning when taking into account that we have always existed, and that we always will. Incarnations into the different physical bodies and existences has been occurring since the ’beginning’ and will continue,,, well after ’the end’.

We are not Human! We are not Alien! Although we have been,,, and ARE Both!!! We can put on out ’human suits’ or our ’alien suits’ whenever we want to. We reach out into the physical, riding a vast wave of consciousness, endeavoring to create/experience a balance between physical and non-physical by way of perfecting livable life forms, combatable with our non-physical essence. We actually sit at a perch, high above all of this! Our Higher Selves are not our higher selves,,,,, it is our True Selves,,,, and life in this physical world is being experienced by ’little ME’…. The more physically and spiritually advanced a particular race is, the more likely it will be able to transcend the physical and mental changes that are a catalyst for true unfolding of the genetic story, and creating physical ‘canisters‘ that can house a hyper-dimensional being. Which means that there is a duality that exists among physical extra-terrestrials and physical humans, as we (as a universal community) make our way towards greater knowledge and understanding. (The experiments with ET groups involving DNA and/or incarnation ‘codes’ are a universal problem. )

As for the DNA,, They are INCARNATION CODES!! Remember that life is a garden! Each group of Hypers, have written their mark/signature/code/etc,,, on the physical/biological life forms that they are ‘grouping’ to advance a physical form that can house their non-physical sentients, without there being a veil between any of the physical, non-physical or mental states. Most Hypers are working WITH nature to advance these ends. Others,,, ARE NOT!!! Whenever an advanced physical race comes across a planet of lesser a lesser advanced race, the first order of business is to determine which (if known) race of hypers are watching over the ‘garden’… (Genetic testing and modulating to determine incarnation codes!)

Many times, (for reasons both malevolent and not,) there is intervention in the natural ‘evolution’ of a species, and another race will ‘imprint’ their DNA (incarnation codes) with another race of beings. When this happens, the incarnational potentials of that race of beings is changed forever. The Hypers that were incarnating in those bodies have to, now, share them with Hypers attached to the physical group that did the DNA modifications. This is devastating to the original group of Hypers, but it advances the incarnational potentials of the modified group… Meaning that different soul-groups, can now incarnate in our bodies!

This was never intended to happen, but it DOES. The trauma to the incarnational process to a species is incomprehensible. It is why none of us ever remember (naturally) any of our past lives!!! The signature that attaches us to our physical bodies has been altered, and creates an, almost impenetrable barrier that almost lead to the death of our species. The chaos that our souls experience coming back into these physical bodies, creates the amnesia that we are faced with today!!!! Nature has a way of working these things out, and we are coming out of the ’fog’…

The Earth-life Garden was put into motion by a particularly old and unknown group of Hypers… And many ’races’ are caught up in the potentials that ’Humans’ command.

Death is an illusion and life between lives brings a great remembering, like waking up from a sleep.



I hope I am not bringing the vibe of this thread down... But, it is my opinion that we (as the torch holders for our peoples) should be kicking up dust and yelling it from the rooftops. We here at Avalon can diffinately respect the culture of any nation... However,,, we also have a natural tendency to uncover secret/hidden histories. I have been given a gift,,, and I will NOT keep it a secret. Perhaps the legacy of our peoples has more to do with exploding this stuff onto the world, in a healing and nurturing manner.

[InTheBackground]

Awesome thread, GoodeTXSG

I too have a very wee bit of Cherokee heritage -- my great-great grandmother on my father's side was half Cherokee. I have no memory of her, but my older brother does. They used to sit them down together at reunions, the oldest and the youngest in the family at the time set down together to keep them "out of their hair" while they got things ready. My brother said she used to talk about the reservation in Oklahoma and seeing the US Cavalry ride in on horseback.

I believe that's where the, erm, "abilities" I have stem from. My brother has them, too, though they seem to be latent in him (pushed aside, unacknowledged). They certainly weren't taught to us. Rather we were raised in the more secular, modern, school system educational way, with Baptist Sunday school almost as an afterthought. LOL. Typical 70s/80s education. No Native American teachings in our family at all, it does seem to have been a taboo thing to keep going. But the NA thoughts about life and spirituality really resonate with me, more and more as the years go on.

I wish I knew more, but I don't. I'm enjoying the thread, though, and hope more stories will come out. I believe a lot of the stories and prophecies are coming out now more than ever before for a reason.

One last thing -- we have moved within a couple of hours of Cherokee NC, so I'm excited that we'll be able to go to the gathering there next month.