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    I think I rather like the idea of the mythological Trickster, as things need a little shaking up (especially with humor) every now and then. Here are some examples, what do you think? Is the Trickster a villain, a hero, or both?

    Quote The Trickster is the annoying precocious kid who always asks questions. The Trickster is also the annoying kid who grows up to be a scientist, because the Trickster never stops asking those pesky questions.
    Quote The mythological Trickster is the greatest of heroes. Why? Because while the Trickster is often a ****-stirrer, the Trickster serves a purpose.
    Quote The Trickster will ask you to reconsider everything you believe in and the world you live in and the values you live by.
    Quote The Trickster will make you uncomfortable.
    Quote The Trickster shoots your ego full of holes.
    Quote The Trickster starts revolutions.
    Quote The Trickster high-fives with the Buddha because he's grokked this illusion
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    In my opinion the Trickster is a teacher, often acting as a mirror upon which the tricked can reflect.
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    As the ancesters would say " sly as a fox". Allows one to re-evaluate their thoughts through puzzles. Confront the illusions piece by piece they prompt.

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    i often feel it is ones duty to get others to crack a smile.thumbs up for the trickster!!
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    ****

    Many tribal traditions have Trickster Teachers who dress in costume for Ceremony and wear regular clothing in their daily life.


    The Plains Indians called their Divine Trickster, Heyokah. The Hopi and Pueblo called him or her Koshari.

    ****

    The Heyokah is a contrary clown who holds total wisdom and teaches the People through laughter and opposites.
    This Sacred Trickster is one who makes you wonder if what they are saying, or doing is actually correct, thereby making you think and figure it out for yourself.
    When people are made to think on their own, the wobbly beliefs that have been a rubber crutch for them in the past are tested.
    If the rubber crutch gives way and they end up on the ground on their rump, a lesson was learned.
    If they stop and think, test out a teaching for themselves and it stands in good stead, the wobbly belief becomes a Knowing System for their lives.

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    Quote Posted by Calz (here)
    Thanks Calz for that beautiful totem picture.

    Indeed in Native American tradition, coyote, like raven and crow are tricksters as well.
    Coyote is the Divine Fool, the practical joker and the chaos aspect of all creation.

    Coyote medicine is Heyoka, the shamans and teachers who act in sometimes truly bizarre though often humorous ways in order to get a message or point across.

    For those who carry this medicine, sometimes it feels as though something "takes over" and they suddenly find that they are saying and doing things that cause more than a few raised eyebrows. Believe me.... I know, LOL
    Yet, this is not meant to imply that a Heyoka can say or do what ever they feel and use this medicine as an excuse for bad behaviour.

    There are strict, spiritual rules and guidelines that a Heyoka must follow if what they have to offer is going to bring peace and healing instead of hurt feelings and problems for others.


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    Quote Posted by heyokah (here)
    Coyote medicine is Heyoka, the shamans and teachers who act in sometimes truly bizarre though often humorous ways in order to get a message or point across.
    Very cool! That explains perfectly your introduction of Mr. Trololo to Avalon many moons ago, at the height of a very rancorous thread when someone had just left in a huff. Bravo on that one!


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    cool thread Fred.

    Bill Maher, trickster extraordinaire:


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    an interesting thread in tht positive associations are not usually used to describe the "trickstar" None tht Ive heard anyway... kind of reminds me of a "yoda" type master, lol
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    Loki

    George Carlin.

    Darn, couldn't find a clip for Hey Fadda If God is all powerfull, can he make a rock so big he can't move it?
    Huh Fadda can he?

    Perhaps the trickster is anyone who creates a slightly less powerfull version of themselves that can't do stuff, but is still behind that temporary self chuckling.

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    Two of my favorite Heyokas:


    I have a lot of Coyote in me too.
    It can be a slippery slope, but I like the fact that in the Tarot, the number for the Fool is zero, and that gives the divine Fool a certain unique freedom to venture where no one else dares to go, take crazy risks and still land on his feet.
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    the trickster ensures that those he encounters must exercise their full awareness.
    you cannot remain asleep and contend with the trickster.

    he forces the sleeping to wake and the awakened to sleep.

    he is the light that exposes falseness and the force that entices true nature to appear short of violence.
    he is the tester of intellectual reality and the enforcer of physical subjectivity.

    he restores us to our natural form and reminds us that we are both fragile and responsible as human beings.
    his tricks may cause hurt but they only work if we allow them to.

    laughter is the best medicine



    p.s. I have this book, "Trickster, Magician, and Grieving Man" that has some really good stories about this.

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    Quote Posted by johnf (here)
    Loki

    George Carlin.

    Darn, couldn't find a clip for Hey Fadda If God is all powerfull, can he make a rock so big he can't move it?
    Huh Fadda can he?

    Perhaps the trickster is anyone who creates a slightly less powerfull version of themselves that can't do stuff, but is still behind that temporary self chuckling.

    jf
    I can't help but feel that this JF fellow left something out here.
    It is that this still all powerfull god is also pointing out that we are all still behind ourselves laughing, and thus makes the universe less dense till someone takes them selves seriously agin.

    Take that JF!


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    Fred I wish to Enter That Trickster himself Richard Simmons to the inquiry. After all you.... added Trololo. Whats right is right. And its total mile high madness...., if you will.

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    One of my favorite points of view on the subject of the role of the trickster... or 'joker'
    Why not now?

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    Alas where is the court jester today?

    Not in the courts of the USA.

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    Quote Posted by johnf (here)
    Alas where is the court jester today?

    Not in the courts of the USA.

    jf
    That's because .........

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    Haha, this was the subject of my very first post on Avalon: Are you a Trickster?

    Quote I have found the energy of the Trickster archetype to be very relevant and active within me lately.

    The Trickster appears in all traditions, and is often associated with manipulation, deceit, and, well, trickery.

    But what of the positive aspects of the Trickster?

    The Trickster defies convention, is a lateral and creative thinker, challenges morally depauperate authority, confounds to enlighten, mediates between heaven and earth. Tricks that may seem cruel when veiwed in isolation become kindness when veiwed from the higher perspective. The positive Trickster never lies nor deceives, but rather, sows seeds of alternate possibility.

    The difference between the negative Trickster and the positive Trickster lies in the intent. The negative is self-serving, the positive serves all.

    We all know of the Trickster archetypes in Native or other traditions, but the large monotheistic religions also contain the Trickster.

    Al Khadr (Khadir) appears in the Qu'ran as the intermediary between Allah and humanity. He is known as "the Green Man", or "the Verdant One.", and in Islam is considered either a prophet, or a "wadi" (one who is close to the Divine). The Sufis see him as immortal, or the “hidden” man, which enhances his connection to the divine because the Qu’ran is quite emphatic that every soul (man/woman) will taste of death. He is often to be found bringing hardship and confusion to people, but the end result is to bring these souls closer to God – to facilitate the transition from the corporeal to the spirit. Al Khadr is the lush green of Love.

    The colour of the heart chakra is green, and like the Trickster, the heart mediates between humanity and divinity. We can see the lower three charkas (root, sacral, solar plexus) as being analogous to the three dimensions of physical reality, while the throat, third eye and crown relate to the higher dimensions. In the Hindu and Sikh traditions, the throat chakra is the gateway to time and space, and is our starting point for accessing the higher dimensions. Thus our heart mediates within our bodies between 3D and the higher dimensions.

    What of the heart? We all know the difference between the heart that is closed and lost, and the heart that is open and in touch with the divine. Are these not analogous to the negative and positive Trickster respectively? The closed heart serves itself only, the open heart serves all. There are, however, times when the open heart must confound to enlighten, appear cruel to be kind, for example, when providing boundaries and instruction to children. The more advanced the heart, the more obtuse its actions may seem, but when we view the actions of the spiritually advanced heart from the higher perspective, we find that all is well.

    The positive Trickster is rooted in the heart, and its driver in all things is Love. It comes as no surprise then, that the greatest bearer of Love in Western society – Jesus – is also an expression of the Trickster archetype. Less clear to see is that Judas is also an expression of the positive Trickster. The betrayal of Jesus by Judas was pre-ordained, and was essential for the enactment of the Passion. Confound to enlighten, cruel to be kind, if there was true awareness within Christianity, Judas would have been beatified long ago. St Judas played his role in the game, and sometimes our roles cast us as villains while we work for the cause of Love.
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    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    the trickster ensures that those he encounters must exercise their full awareness.
    you cannot remain asleep and contend with the trickster.

    he forces the sleeping to wake and the awakened to sleep.

    he is the light that exposes falseness and the force that entices true nature to appear short of violence.
    he is the tester of intellectual reality and the enforcer of physical subjectivity.

    he restores us to our natural form and reminds us that we are both fragile and responsible as human beings.
    his tricks may cause hurt but they only work if we allow them to.

    laughter is the best medicine



    p.s. I have this book, "Trickster, Magician, and Grieving Man" that has some really good stories about this.




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