The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[CD7]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by CD7 (here)
If someone is ecstatic and gloriously happy...wealthy and living in their own 'heaven' IT really isn't heaven when the rest of your parts are living in the mud--then its an illusion.

You are right, it is an illusion. But the ones that are lost in the illusion are the ones living in the mud.....

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

No my brother, I disagree.......They were put in the mud, and now judged for it....


Heres an analogy of the perspective im coming from..

We are all CELLS in a body (animals included) so you have some cells getting all the nutrients, happy and in their Cell "heaven"...and then you have a percentage of cells that are dilapidated, dying, writhing in vibrational chaos...

If you think this isn't going to effect your cell "heaven" well I would urge anyone to think again... True HEAVEN will not come until the whole body is functioning in harmony

[dpwishy]

Posted by CD7 (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by CD7 (here)
If someone is ecstatic and gloriously happy...wealthy and living in their own 'heaven' IT really isn't heaven when the rest of your parts are living in the mud--then its an illusion.

You are right, it is an illusion. But the ones that are lost in the illusion are the ones living in the mud.....

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

No my brother, I disagree.......They were put in the mud, and now judged for it....


Heres an analogy of the perspective im coming from..

We are all CELLS in a body (animals included) so you have some cells getting all the nutrients, happy and in their Cell "heaven"...and then you have a percentage of cells that are dilapidated, dying, writhing in vibrational chaos...

If you think this isn't going to effect your cell "heaven" well I would urge anyone to think again... True HEAVEN will not come until the whole body is functioning in harmony

Who is doing this judging you speak of? Not I..... Is this not a choice we all have? And was this not a lesson the Christ taught also?

Why do you see the have nots as not being able to attain and experience heaven, even in their suffering? Just because they are in "the mud" they cant achieve this? Was it not the Christ who said "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."? I will argue that those who suffer have a greater chance of seeing and experiencing heaven in the here and now than those who have everything. It is the suffering that makes us grow, that makes us reach out. Its the suffering that stretches the self so far that at some point there is a snap and that self dies for a second. Its in this moment that we will know heaven. True heaven is already here, its up to anyone to see it or not. I think the have nots have the best chance at catching a glimpse of this. So who is really better off in the end? Those in the mud or those not?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

p.s I dont consider my self a christian, it may come off this way.

[CD7]

Who is doing this judging you speak of? Not I..... Is this not a choice we all have? And was this not a lesson the Christ taught also?

Why do you see the have nots as not being able to attain and experience heaven, even in their suffering? Just because they are in "the mud" they cant achieve this? Was it not the Christ who said "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."? I will argue that those who suffer have a greater chance of seeing and experiencing heaven in the here and now than those who have everything. It is the suffering that makes us grow, that makes us reach out. Its the suffering that stretches the self so far that at some point there is a snap and that self dies for a second. Its in this moment that we will know heaven. True heaven is already here, its up to anyone to see it or not. I think the have nots have the best chance at catching a glimpse of this. So who is really better off in the end? Those in the mud or those not?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

p.s I dont consider my self a christian, it may come off this way.

Its a deep philosophical issue were getting into and I feel we could go round and round...

We obviously have different perspectives, and I also think our idea of "heaven" is different

I also feel tht to really explain and continue to go into depth about my perspective would derail this thread

Why do you see the have nots as not being able to attain and experience heaven, even in their suffering?

First I would say I don't see this...the "have nots" as not being able to attain heaven...

It is not my view that we have to be in continual suffrage to attain something. I would say that most if not all have been conditioned to think suffering is just something that comes with the territory. They think this is all there is because there HAS NOT BEEN ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO COMPARE IT TOO


Plain and simple--EVERYTHING is connected. Ill leave you with another perspective of mine through analogy.

Imagine the whole planet was a garden.
What does the garden grow now? There are minimal sections of fertilized soil, sun, water, nutrients, tools given for growth. Another sections soil is being poisoned, left with weeds, and baron, barely any tools for growth. Other sections are left with absolutely nothing-deserts remain. In a nutshell...not much grows here on this globes garden. The garden is highly ravaged and hardly reminiscent of ITS GREATEST POTENTIAL. We the seeds are unevenly distributed and devoid of proper nutrients TO BECOME. Few are cultivated and many are neglected, starved, and not given ANY tools

This gardens POTENTIAL is PARADISE. There does not appear to be any garden tenders TRULY cultivating the garden. Those who have the power to do so, obviously are not...or don't know how. I have no precise thoughts on this because I only know whats going on in the dirt.

The "judgement" I speak of..are those who are in power who have not given tools nor cultivated anything, YET sit back and wonder why EVERYTHING GROWS LIKE CRAP

When heaven is on earth---paradise will be here too FOR EVERYONE

My 3 cents, ill leave you with tht....thanks for bouncing off of my thoughts

[Kalamos]

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[nomadguy]

Posted by Calamus (here)
We are the seeds, you say. A world teacher or teachers may be waiting for the right season to start pouring down the rain with the sunlight, in beautiful sun showers.

In the meantime we do our reaching and branching as we can, receive of this light and water through the clouds that are dispersing.

I hope

What would it be like if there were no World Teachers to show us "the way"? And this is so, to teach US all to be that ourselves. Every one of us.

[Kalamos]

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[wendylou]

hi there just wondering if someone can help me. I read a post of Bills Ryans a few months ago about a figure he saw on a mountain, a sort of metaphor of some sort??? Anyway I have just finished reading 'Not in his Image' by John Lash, and he mentions something in there about this phenomenon and I cant remember the name of it but it begins with 'M'. Can some one or even Bill please send me the link to that as cant find the article on this website. Thanks cheers from Wendy

[dianna]

Posted by wendylou (here)
hi there just wondering if someone can help me. I read a post of Bills Ryans a few months ago about a figure he saw on a mountain, a sort of metaphor of some sort??? Anyway I have just finished reading 'Not in his Image' by John Lash, and he mentions something in there about this phenomenon and I cant remember the name of it but it begins with 'M'. Can some one or even Bill please send me the link to that as cant find the article on this website. Thanks cheers from Wendy

"Not in His Image" was an awesome read --- There is alot of criticism about John lately, but it can't be denied that he can write, and some of his ideas are mind blowing --- if you could be more specific about "M" --- are you talking about an idea or a person's name from the book?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by wendylou (here)
hi there just wondering if someone can help me. I read a post of Bills Ryans a few months ago about a figure he saw on a mountain, a sort of metaphor of some sort??? Anyway I have just finished reading 'Not in his Image' by John Lash, and he mentions something in there about this phenomenon and I cant remember the name of it but it begins with 'M'. Can some one or even Bill please send me the link to that as cant find the article on this website. Thanks cheers from Wendy

Do you refer to this post (and the long one just before it) https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post676104 ?

[Delight]

For some reason I came across a video about child marriage and saw presented a very matter of fact Christ at work in the hell of ignorance.

The video made me weep. It is not my intention to talk about this to stir hate and blame. The stupidity and ignorance makes me cry: that people (like the pitiful men in the video) have so much self hatred that they must batter and murder to prove something. The world is just too painfully "crucifying" and it is easy to want to run and hide.

Courageous people like Malalai Kakar are my "Jesus". She and all the Jesus who have died for the sins of the world are the way because they didn't give in to ignorance. My courage is so small compared to them but I intend to follow Jesus.

[IMG]

Malalai Kakar (1967 – 28 September 2008) was the most high-profile policewoman in Afghanistan after the ousting of the Taliban in 2001.[1] A Lieutenant Colonel, she was the head of Kandahar's department of crimes against women.[1] Kakar, who received numerous death threats, was assassinated by the Taliban on September 28, 2008.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malalai_Kakar

Here is the video to place Malalai Kakar in context of the work she performed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7c_zppPutQw

[chocolate]

Hello back. Today I managed to find two interesting films, which I would like to share.
One is a BBC documentary about the gospels that did not make it in the Bible:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DQHz8GzeYNg

I am not sure if it was mentioned somewhere before me...-> checked and it seems it wasn't mentioned anywhere above <-

And one is about having a fresh view on any subject (ref. nomadguy and something that I think he has said in his reply): http://www.minds.com/blog/view/24052...the-world-anew
I feel movies and audio are a real treat compared to reading, whenever one has limited time to devote.

[Becky]

This is fascinating, thank you so much for this thread. It has actually helped a LOT with sorting out some of my knowledge about Jesus and Mary....one of the things I want to debunk for myself in this lifetime. Huge thanks :-)
Why do we say 'selah' instead of 'amen' after the 2nd Lord's prayer, please?
Thanks

[araucaria]

Posted by chocolate (here)
I am not sure if it was mentioned somewhere before me...-> checked and it seems it wasn't mentioned anywhere above <-

Well it was posted by Bill way back in post #43, where it has been removed for copyright reasons, so there is no harm in posting it again. It has also been posted elsewhere on the forum I remember commenting with optimism on the conclusion of The Lost Gospel, namely that without the hugely distorted message of the Church, the message of Jesus would not have survived at all. In other words, the Church was a necessary stratagem that will eventually (probably some time soon) fall away to make way for the core teaching when we are ready to handle that.

[Littlethunder]

It doesn't take an awful lot of research to find out that much of the circumstances regarding the trial and crucifixion of Jesus as depicted in the Christian Bible, have no foundation in historical fact. The Sanhedrin were the ones who apparently had a problem with Jesus. They certainly had the authority to take Jesus to trial and order his execution by stoning. Why then turn him over to the Romans ?
The answer is that the marriage of Jesus - house of Royal David, to Mary Magdelene ( Marriam of Migdala ) House of Royal Benjamin - a family which gave Jerusalem its first king - Saul. Was a marriage which represented the unification of two tribes which had been at war with each other for generations, and as such, was a real threat to overall Roman rule in the Palestine area.
If the once warring people in that area could look to a leading influential person, common to both. That could spawn instability in the area, and a weakening of the hold the Romans had over Palestine at the time. Sound familiar ?

[x_factor]

That's not quite accurate. Wogan asked David Icke if he thought he was the son of god.

David Icke answered in the affirmative. Icke did NOT say that he was jesus christ.

Icke has since clarified that he was inundated with insights and information at that time, and was a very confused human being. What he meant to say, had he been thinking more clearly, was that we ARE ALL sons of god, in the sense that we are all individual, particular manifestations of an infinite consciousness having distinctive experiences in a five sense human reality.

Here is David's explanation of his "Wogan experience:"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yrssAxqCLfs

Posted by Cristian (here)
Truth is…. I am scared .

I am scared to approach this subject.

David Icke once said he was Jesus. To most people that was a forgivable delusion of a brilliant mind. That was back in the times he was very confused about a lot of things.

But you know what? I’m sure he was spot on . It was however way too soon for us to understand.
To understand that we are Jesus. We are a bit confused, we ‘ve got I-phones and I-pads but when we look down deep into our souls there is nothing but kindness and compassion.

I’ve seen a lot of ugly and demonic dudes in this life but I was never so scared as I was when I saw who I really am. I keep making up excuses since then…like I drink too much beer , I look at women’s butts …but deep down inside I am so scared to admit what I can be…

You re confusing me , I am not that person, I’m just an average guy.
But then again so was Jesus - an average guy - until he let go of all the silly games and embraced his brilliance like someone likes to say.

And about the topic “ Was Jesus real or not” . Is that kind of topic where science and history MUST meet spirituality.

I so dislike religion and all established churches .
If I want to talk with God , I go into a forest, I head for the mountains or I get outside when it rains.
I think it’s important to understand the Jesus rebellion and what was that really about.
What we are all really about.

[x_factor]

You are correct. Jesus is a sun god: literally, a personification of the sun.

Jordan Maxwell on astro-theology:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xzzwUDh3y5U


Acharya S/Dorothy Murdock:

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence..."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rsaRQDxmLqY

Posted by SKAWF (here)
my understanding of what jesus was is quite different.
the bible is a book of matephors... literal symbolism.

jesus is the 'sun' of god.

so we begin at the summer solstice, the sun's rays hit us directly and it is right overhead at the hottest part of the day.
each day after the summer solstice, the suns high point drops by 2 degree's, and it keeps dropping by two degree's every day until....
the winter solstice, where the suns rays catch us more in a glancing blow, than a direct hit.

for three days, the suns high point does not change.

then on the 25th december (technically its the eve before the 25th) the suns high point rises two degree's higher every day until its max, on the summer solstice.

the 'sun' of god is born on christmas day. (that's when the solar years begins)
prior to that though, the sun is in decline, and when it reaches its lowest point... it is (metaphorically speaking) dead.
and it stays dead for three days, after which it is resurrected.

thats how we get jesus dying for three days, then a resurrection.

there's more.

if you begin at the star of the east, and draw a line through the three stars of orions belt (also known as the three kings)
and bring that line down to the horizon, that , will be where the 'sun' of god will be born.
thus we get the three kings following the star of the east to where the son of god will be born.

they change the names of the trinity every age. this age its jesus mary and the holy spirit,
but in babylonian times it was tamus, semiramis, and nimrod. go back even further into ancient egypt and it was osiris, isis, and horus.
so given that the trinity predates the current doctrine, how Can there have been an actual man called jesus?,
and for that matter, if the keep changing the names every age, how can the current religion actually be the one truth?

we are in the age of pisces atm, which is why there is a lot of fish symbolism knocking about,
there is even a reference in the bible to someone asking christ how long he will be there,
and he said something like, go to a place and look for a man with a pitcher of water (aquarius)

if you look at the last supper by da vinci, notice that the 12 disciples are arranged into 4 groups of three.
with jesus in the middle. the twelve disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac, arranged into the four seasons of the solar year.

this goes back to ancient egypt. there was no man called jesus. imo.

[x_factor]

No, but it does mean that the likelihood that jesus actually existed is extremely low. For all intents and purposes, the probability is zero. There is no independent, historical corroboration evidence of a jesus. There is no corroboration of the jesus story in the new testament.

There is however, overwhelming evidence of personifications of the sun and moon in the form of jesus, buddha, mohammed, etc. The jesus story is non-historical; it is astro-theological: literally worship of the sun.

Posted by Chinaski (here)
I think Jesus existed. like many here, it's not based on any sort of research, or dogma being forced down my throat, but more of a hunch.

it is easy to pick apart the Jesus story - it's so ridiculous - but as Bill said, that doesn't mean he didn't exist.

I think it's telling that during all my various phases throughout my evolution, whether it be Buddhism, Hinduism, Ufology, Wicca etc..., I've always (and still do sometimes) gone and sat under a Jesus statue at the local church whenever I've had a real problem that needed sorting out. Despite it all, my Catholic roots, and mainly my Jesus connection, has always remained strong.

quick story: like everyone else here, ive adopted and discarded various philosophies, sets of beliefs etc on my way to the person I am today. but I always ( particularly as a younger man) felt vaguely guilty doing it. maybe it was just typical Catholic guilt made manifest - I don't know. but I had a dream one night, a lucid dream, where I was approached by a man I believed to be Jesus, and without saying anything he reassured me that it was perfectly ok for me to explore other religions and faiths and philosophies. it was profoundly emotional. I awoke with tears in my eyes, feeling 50 pounds lighter.

[x_factor]

They can make the claim, but at some point they have to provide historical evidence that these people actually existed. There is no historical record of the existence of jesus. Not a single historian of the period documented a 'jesus' or anyone for that matter who was responsible for miracles of the sort attributed to jesus christ in the new testament.

Posted by darren (here)
Thanks for the clarification Christine! I get where you are coming from regarding radiating energy like the sun.What i have trouble with,is that the idea of astro-theology (which i am more aligned with) seems to fit into the bible and other works and just makes sense,at least to me.Now you have very intelligent people on here saying that ''jesus'' and others were real people,if this is so,then why does the astro-theology aspect,strongly i would suggest,seem to be able to explain things from a different perspective? Coincedence?

This is not just aimed at you Christine,but anyone who believes that jesus ect was real.Since the two ideas are at opposite polarities i assume those who believe in the reality of jesus being a real being,must think the astro-theology hypothesis is a load of nonsense??

[araucaria]

Posted by x_factor (here)
They can make the claim, but at some point they have to provide historical evidence that these people actually existed. There is no historical record of the existence of jesus.

Here is some historical evidence from near the start of this thread, produced by the opening poster, Bill Ryan. Care to comment?

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
First, here's a very short one (just a few minutes, and you really should see this), a brief interview with the director (Canadian Simcha Jacobovici) of the 2007 Discovery Channel documentary THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9QKgD8xfLrE

If you'd like to see the documentary itself (90 minutes), I found it fascinating and compelling:


Source: http://dailymotion.com/video/x2jbdz3

[x_factor]

I am quoting the OP in it's entirety. I have read the post and I do not see a single citation or reference to any historical research of any kind. I will state and repeat a fact which is well known, especially to christian scholars: there is no historical evidence of any kind which offers independent corroboration of the existence of a jesus christ as an actual person.

edit: re--the first video. The speaker makes no reference to any historical source aside from the new testament. The question I will pose to you is: is there independent corroboration of the events of the new testament, in particular, the existence of a person named jesus christ? The video has nothing to say about this issue.

re--the second video. This documentary is an hour and a half long. Did you watch it? At what point do they claim to have excavated the burial site of christ? And why does this question even matter since jesus was supposedly resurrected?

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.

• There was certainly a historical Jesus.

• He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.

• The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).

• That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).

• None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.

• The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.

• The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:

• The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).

• The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.

• Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).

• Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

• Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.

• Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

• Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).

• Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.

• Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.

• Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.

• What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.

• The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:
  
  -- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
  -- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
  -- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
  -- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
  -- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
  -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

• It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.

• Summary: we're still in with a chance.