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    Okay, all you useless good for nothing, bunch of folks with nothing but some stupid experiences,,,

    I have been exploring the language that Eastern Indians use to describe the energetic events involved when one practices to stimulate energy centers and/or raise Kundalini. I get sidetracked with the terms, but I believe that we are talking about the same things. The technique described in the video in post #28 is similar to other practices/routines that can be used as a tool for tracking 'progress' or changes in the movement or flow of energy. Many times the eastern practices involve much more deeper conceptual thinking than in some of the western approaches. For example: The concept of forgiveness is recognized in the eastern process as a required part of the discipline needed to achieve a kundalini event or spiritual awakening. It is true in the western 'version' of things, yet the concept is a bit more evasive in western thinking, augmenting the process. I have been aware of main channels, left and right. As well as a central channel that runs from the base center to the crown. I am aware of channels running up/down the legs and into the base center. Also channels running down the arms that create a loop that stimulates/supplies the heart center as energy flows through the loop. I have found that this all goes hand in hand with the Eastern philosophies of spiritual/energetic flow. I am also aware of these little vibrating gizmos in my shoulders, just under my collarbone and about an inch into my chest. I am also aware of the 'pulsing' that occurs in an individually active center, and the dizzying effect of them all pulsing as a team. There is another entire level of energetic circuitry that ignites. I have to be careful when I do energy work. Sometimes it is too powerful, and I am aware of objects moving around me. When that happens, I am awakened into another level of 'the dream'. Hard to explain,,, it is a timeline thing. The manifestation of reality is becoming very clear to me. I have to be careful. If what is happening with me does not fit into the category of a Kundalini Awakening, then I have to surrender,,, I have no idea what people are talking about.

    Here is a snippet of an article from a friend and Mentor of mine, Robert Bruce. Roberts experiences and mine are quite similar. He has a western way of describing things. Robert has spent a lot of time traveling, and discovering similarities between his concept of Energy Work with different (yet similar) systems of meditation and energetic practices. What is chi? What is prana? What is mana? What is the holy spirit? What is Kundalini? the answer is.... YES....

    Quote There is widespread misunderstanding about kundalini. Most seem to
    think its a raise once and its done kind of thing. But this is not the case
    at all. Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or
    an orgasm. One could not say after a single orgasm that ones orgasm is now
    raised and active. Neither could one say that after a single kundalini
    raising, or related phenomena, that ones kundalini is now raised. Kundalini
    must be raised many times and developed.

    A single kundalini raised experience may last from 5 to 30 minutes. Longer
    may be possible with higher development. The raised state is heavily energy
    dependent, so when energy resources are reduced it just stops. But while it
    is raised one becomes God, in a sense. Ones personality is still present,
    but ones higher self rises very close to the surface indeed. And ones higher
    self is about as close to God as one can get. So raised kundalini could be
    called a full higher self manifestation.

    The psychic abilities this causes are the natural abilities of a spirit, and
    of ones higher self. They are not created out of nothing, they are freed.

    Kundalini does change one and one does experience enlightenment during its
    peak. But this is abstract enlightenment, eg, one knows everything at the
    time because one is experiencing a level of God consciousness. But after the
    experience one reverts to normal consciousness and knowledge. However,
    something is then changed and ones inspirational abilities, plus all psychic
    abilities, are greatly enhanced.

    Then begins the staggered realization process where higher knowledge is
    gained one small step at a time. But this progressive gaining of knowledge
    will only bear true fruit if one has a sound belief system, and if one
    applies the empirical process, eg, first build a solid foundation and then
    add to it one thing at a time. If this discipline is not applied one is
    likely to float away with the faries.

    There are three main ways that kundalini will rise. The first is
    spontaneously, in response to mental and emotional and spiritual states of
    being, eg, Carl Jung had a spontaneous kundalini rising. The second is
    through yoga practice where the body and mind are developed to the point
    where kundalini will rise naturally. The third is to manually raise
    kundalini by manipulating the energy body with body awareness techniques.
    Ideally, a combination of all three would provide the best and safest
    results.

    To do this, one must first understand the nature of primary energy centers,
    chakras, and the base center. A fundamental aspect of the base center is
    that it acts a lot like an electrical capacitor. It is also heavily shielded
    and earthed, in a bioenergy sense. Another aspect of chakras is their
    ability to 'strobe'. This is a natural high level function. Once a chakra's
    energy peaks, reaches critical mass, it strobes and releases all its energy
    in one moment. The natural path for this energy is upwards, and as it floods
    upwards it creates new high voltage energy conduits, and flash activates the
    chakras above one at a time. This last can happen in several ways, depending
    on how prepared the energy body is, but there is only one raised kundalini
    phenomenon, eg, the full internal snake phenomenon.

    When kundalini rises, it feels like a physical snake as thick as a man's
    wrist forces its way up through the perenium; between anus and genitals. It
    forces its way in 3.5 clockwise spiral up through the body. Ones internal
    organs will be felt sloshing and moving as they are pushed out of the way,
    as kundalini raises through the body, neck and head to the crown.

    The internal snake phenomenon is caused by an internal manifestation of
    ectoplasm. This is the only reasonable explanation.

    A brilliant minds eye flash of light (like a giant camera flash) will occur
    at the beginning of a kundalini raising. This leaves a feeling of mild
    concussion on the face, as if one had been slapped. This is because the
    whole face contains the support structure for the brow chakra, and is thus
    involved with the brow center strobe. Note that the brow center strobe can
    occur seperately from a kundalini event, eg, during the formation of the
    vision screen of high function clairvoyance (what could be called a
    Nostradamus level phenomena). Brow center strobes can also result from
    various practices, including meditation and astral projection exercises. If
    this happens, it indicates strong natural clairvoyance potential is present,
    even if dormant and unrealized.

    Normally the crown and brow will not fully activate during early kundalini
    raising events. But once these activate it feels like ones skull vanishes
    and from the surface of ones brain hundreds of fat, fleshy fingers, like
    little snakes, are felt to appear. These feel as real as ones other fingers.
    At this time, the brow fuses with the crown the one in the nose bridge, and
    this new chakra structure is felt as a heavy, fleshy flap hanging down over
    ones brow and bridge of nose. This feels as if ones skull (the entire area
    above the hair line) has turned into a sea anenome.

    These fingers (I think the eastern term is petals) respond instantly to
    thought. If one things of any concept, the fingers form intricate geometric
    patterns. I think this may be where mandallas come from. Note, if you read
    the book 'Secret of the Golden Flower', in the commentary by Jung, he
    explains that mandallas are resident in the human psyche in all races. I highly recommend this book.

    Another interesting phenomenon here is that if one thinks of a living
    person, these fingers form a pattern, but some also point to 'where' this
    person is in the real world.

    In order to raise kundalini, one must repeatedly raise a lot of energy to
    the base center. Most of what is raised immediately leaks away, is earthed
    away. But if this practice is continued, there comes a
    point where the insulation is burned away and the base strobes. The first
    symptom of this is a massive kundalini spike up through the spine. This can
    be extremely painful, burning and electrical sensations. It is wise to stop
    for a breather at this point, but without breaking relaxation discipline.

    Note that if the body is not prepared by fasting and purging beforehand, the
    bowels will turn to water and let go in response to full physical shock.
    Now, if one begins raising energy again a minute or so later, another spike
    will occur, just as strong but a bit less painful, and then the serpent will
    be released. Ideally it will rise fairly rapidly and smoothly all the way to
    the crown, in 3.5 clockwise coils.

    I recommend 3 days fasting prior to an attempt, or other yoga purging practices can be used to achieve the same internally cleansed state. I find my energy peaks on the 3rd day. This helps as one needs every ounce of energy one can muster to raise kundalini.

    A type of near death experience will usually occur. I don't have enough data
    to say for sure, but this is a reasonable observation. In my case, I was
    evicted from my physical body (I think it died of shock) and, in brief, I
    was examinied by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads
    and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors
    and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).

    When Kundalini has been more developed, eg, raised a dozen or so times (a week apart for each event is wise), and the crown becomes fully active, one will also experience the Aummmm. This is quite loud and if feels and sounds like the word 'Aummm' being said continually (one tone) by a man with a deep voice. This, I think, may be the underlaying sound (or Word) of creation.

    Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.
    A better look at Roberts concept of Energy Work can be found here. Robert and I agree on a more pragmatic approach based on the early and spontaneous events in our lives. I believe it to be the missing basic in everyones lives. I think that the days of offering a lifetime of study to this art are numbered. The realities of the non-physical are about to dawn. This is the big boom that everyone is waiting for. Imagine a worldwide, spontaneous Kundalinin event that nobody in the world could ever deny. What power in the worlds could cover it up. Personal experience will outway what can be read in a book, posted online, covered in the news, or talked about at work. The bar would be raised. Forever!!! I also believe it all to be our birthright. Not some attained height for the ordained. It is about experience and enlightenment, not attainment. AND it is there for the taking. An untapped potential.

    Yet I digress,,

    Calamus.. I have had different experiences with 'misty' or 'cloudy' entities, or patches of space. Sometimes when I walk into a room,, I am 'hit' with suddenly seeing the room full of smoke or mist or fog. kind of a grayish purple color. Nobody else can see it. I have to pretend not to be alarmed. I have to rub my eyes several times before it stops. Is that what you are talking about??



    Cheers to all. I would love to see a glossary of Hindu terms with regards the energy body and the different channels and circuits.

    Jake.
    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Hi, Jake

    I wonder if you tried to awaken your Kundalini with Shri Mataji and what was the perceived difference (if any) with your own energy work.
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    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    There is widespread misunderstanding about kundalini. Most seem to
    think its a raise once and its done kind of thing. But this is not the case
    at all. Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or
    an orgasm. One could not say after a single orgasm that ones orgasm is now
    raised and active. Neither could one say that after a single kundalini
    raising, or related phenomena, that ones kundalini is now raised. Kundalini
    must be raised many times and developed.

    A single kundalini raised experience may last from 5 to 30 minutes. Longer
    may be possible with higher development. The raised state is heavily energy
    dependent, so when energy resources are reduced it just stops. But while it
    is raised one becomes God, in a sense. Ones personality is still present,
    but ones higher self rises very close to the surface indeed. And ones higher
    self is about as close to God as one can get. So raised kundalini could be
    called a full higher self manifestation.

    The psychic abilities this causes are the natural abilities of a spirit, and
    of ones higher self. They are not created out of nothing, they are freed.

    Kundalini does change one and one does experience enlightenment during its
    peak. But this is abstract enlightenment, eg, one knows everything at the
    time because one is experiencing a level of God consciousness. But after the
    experience one reverts to normal consciousness and knowledge. However,
    something is then changed and ones inspirational abilities, plus all psychic
    abilities, are greatly enhanced.

    Then begins the staggered realization process where higher knowledge is
    gained one small step at a time. But this progressive gaining of knowledge
    will only bear true fruit if one has a sound belief system, and if one
    applies the empirical process, eg, first build a solid foundation and then
    add to it one thing at a time. If this discipline is not applied one is
    likely to float away with the faries.

    There are three main ways that kundalini will rise. The first is
    spontaneously, in response to mental and emotional and spiritual states of
    being, eg, Carl Jung had a spontaneous kundalini rising. The second is
    through yoga practice where the body and mind are developed to the point
    where kundalini will rise naturally. The third is to manually raise
    kundalini by manipulating the energy body with body awareness techniques.
    Ideally, a combination of all three would provide the best and safest
    results.

    To do this, one must first understand the nature of primary energy centers,
    chakras, and the base center. A fundamental aspect of the base center is
    that it acts a lot like an electrical capacitor. It is also heavily shielded
    and earthed, in a bioenergy sense. Another aspect of chakras is their
    ability to 'strobe'. This is a natural high level function. Once a chakra's
    energy peaks, reaches critical mass, it strobes and releases all its energy
    in one moment. The natural path for this energy is upwards, and as it floods
    upwards it creates new high voltage energy conduits, and flash activates the
    chakras above one at a time. This last can happen in several ways, depending
    on how prepared the energy body is, but there is only one raised kundalini
    phenomenon, eg, the full internal snake phenomenon.

    When kundalini rises, it feels like a physical snake as thick as a man's
    wrist forces its way up through the perenium; between anus and genitals. It
    forces its way in 3.5 clockwise spiral up through the body. Ones internal
    organs will be felt sloshing and moving as they are pushed out of the way,
    as kundalini raises through the body, neck and head to the crown.

    The internal snake phenomenon is caused by an internal manifestation of
    ectoplasm. This is the only reasonable explanation.

    A brilliant minds eye flash of light (like a giant camera flash) will occur
    at the beginning of a kundalini raising. This leaves a feeling of mild
    concussion on the face, as if one had been slapped. This is because the
    whole face contains the support structure for the brow chakra, and is thus
    involved with the brow center strobe. Note that the brow center strobe can
    occur seperately from a kundalini event, eg, during the formation of the
    vision screen of high function clairvoyance (what could be called a
    Nostradamus level phenomena). Brow center strobes can also result from
    various practices, including meditation and astral projection exercises. If
    this happens, it indicates strong natural clairvoyance potential is present,
    even if dormant and unrealized.

    Normally the crown and brow will not fully activate during early kundalini
    raising events. But once these activate it feels like ones skull vanishes
    and from the surface of ones brain hundreds of fat, fleshy fingers, like
    little snakes, are felt to appear. These feel as real as ones other fingers.
    At this time, the brow fuses with the crown the one in the nose bridge, and
    this new chakra structure is felt as a heavy, fleshy flap hanging down over
    ones brow and bridge of nose. This feels as if ones skull (the entire area
    above the hair line) has turned into a sea anenome.

    These fingers (I think the eastern term is petals) respond instantly to
    thought. If one things of any concept, the fingers form intricate geometric
    patterns. I think this may be where mandallas come from. Note, if you read
    the book 'Secret of the Golden Flower', in the commentary by Jung, he
    explains that mandallas are resident in the human psyche in all races. I highly recommend this book.

    Another interesting phenomenon here is that if one thinks of a living
    person, these fingers form a pattern, but some also point to 'where' this
    person is in the real world.

    In order to raise kundalini, one must repeatedly raise a lot of energy to
    the base center. Most of what is raised immediately leaks away, is earthed
    away. But if this practice is continued, there comes a
    point where the insulation is burned away and the base strobes. The first
    symptom of this is a massive kundalini spike up through the spine. This can
    be extremely painful, burning and electrical sensations. It is wise to stop
    for a breather at this point, but without breaking relaxation discipline.

    Note that if the body is not prepared by fasting and purging beforehand, the
    bowels will turn to water and let go in response to full physical shock.
    Now, if one begins raising energy again a minute or so later, another spike
    will occur, just as strong but a bit less painful, and then the serpent will
    be released. Ideally it will rise fairly rapidly and smoothly all the way to
    the crown, in 3.5 clockwise coils.

    I recommend 3 days fasting prior to an attempt, or other yoga purging practices
    can be used to achieve the same internally cleansed state. I find my energy peaks
    on the 3rd day.This helps as one needs every ounce of energy one can muster
    to raise kundalini.

    A type of near death experience will usually occur. I don't have enough data
    to say for sure, but this is a reasonable observation. In my case, I was
    evicted from my physical body (I think it died of shock) and, in brief, I
    was examinied by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads
    and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors
    and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).

    When Kundalini has been more developed, eg, raised a dozen or so times (a week apart for each event is wise), and the crown becomes fully active, one will also experience the Aummmm. This is quite loud and if feels and sounds like the word 'Aummm' being said continually (one tone) by a man with a deep voice. This, I think, may be the underlaying sound (or Word) of creation.

    Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.
    Well, i did an experiment, and again i was using Shri Ramana Maharshi as a reference point. Just a thought about him relaxed my Agiya chakra, and Kundalini shakti went up. When i put my attention on Robert Bruce i felt heaviness in Agiya. When i put my hands towards his photo i didn't feel particularly cool vibrations. This is as far as my spiritual experience is concerned. I apologize if it hurts your feelings, Jake, apparently he is an important figure for you, a Mentor as you put it. Then something is wrong either with my perception or with what he is up to, there's hardly a third option.

    As for my understanding of spirituality, the way he writes about Kundalini, i.e. "Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or an orgasm", is speaking volumes about him. Kundalini is a very holy subject, and one needs to use appropriate words when describing her workings which should be far from vulgarity and profanity. There's a certain bioenergetic component in Kundalini rising since even the subtlest spiritual events have some gross physical manifestations (when saying "gross" i am referring to the densest form of reality, that is physical matter). But they cannot be reduced to and explained only in terms of "bioenergy", it would be too denigrating. How would you describe using these terms the state of spiritual elation, or sense of purity, or unconditional love, or very stable "pillar" of attention that cannot be distracted, for instance?

    I personally have never experienced my Kundalini in the area of perineum. She is placed above Mooladhara chakra that indeed controls genitals and organs of excretion. But couple inches higher, that is sacrum bone, does make a difference. Also, one should realize that Kundalini is an intelligent, motherly energy of a very high spiritual caliber. It has at least two implications: she is not something to be manipulated with but rather one needs to learn how to surrender to her workings; and second, she won't damage her spiritual child at any rate. Sometimes people mix up Kundalini with protective responses when they try to awaken this energy in an unauthorized way. And these responses actually come from Mooladhara chakra. It can be compared to a rose: the flower-bud is Kundalini, and thorns are something to protect her. And one shouldn't really try to experiment with Kundalini without a proper understanding, i fully agree with that.
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    Quote Posted by Izheheruvim (here)
    Well, i did an experiment, and again i was using Shri Ramana Maharshi as a reference point. Just a thought about him relaxed my Agiya chakra, and Kundalini shakti went up. When i put my attention on Robert Bruce i felt heaviness in Agiya. When i put my hands towards his photo i didn't feel particularly cool vibrations. This is as far as my spiritual experience is concerned. I apologize if it hurts your feelings, Jake, apparently he is an important figure for you, a Mentor as you put it. Apparently something is wrong either with my perception or with what he is up to, there's hardly a third option.

    As for my understanding of spirituality, the way he writes about Kundalini, i.e. "Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or an orgasm", is speaking volumes about him. Kundalini is a very holy subject, and one needs to use appropriate words when describing her workings which should be far from vulgarity and profanity. There's a certain bioenergetic component in Kundalini rising since even the subtlest spiritual events have some gross physical manifestations (when saying "gross" i am referring to the densest form of reality, that is physical matter). But they cannot be reduced to and explained only in terms of "bioenergy", it would be too denigrating. How would you describe using these terms the state of spiritual elation, or sense of purity, or unconditional love, or very stable "pillar" of attention that cannot be distracted, for instance?

    I personally have never experienced my Kundalini in the area of perineum. She is placed above Mooladhara chakra that indeed controls genitals and organs of excretion. But couple inches higher, that is sacrum bone, does make a difference. Also, one should realize that Kundalini is an intelligent, motherly energy of a very high spiritual caliber. It has at least two implications: she is not something to be manipulated with but rather one needs to learn how to surrender to her workings; and second, she won't damage her spiritual child at any rate. Sometimes people mix up Kundalini with protective responses when they try to awaken this energy in an unauthorized way. And these responses actually come from Mooladhara chakra. It can be compared to a rose: the flower-bud is Kundalini, and thorns are something to protect her. And one shouldn't really try to experiment with Kundalini without a proper understanding, i fully agree with that.
    No apologies needed, mate. I a just trying to find my way. I do not follow a set path, and I DO NOT accept any path that assumes mastery. As far as Mentorship goes, I personally believe that the most important aspect of Being a Mentor is BEING MENTORED. It is fundamental. Mentorship is a relationship. My path has been augmented by many folks using pretty words to try and describe something that is quite pragmatic. A profound and powerful energy takes over and runs its course. This happens with or without any sort of UNDERSTANDING of it all. It is why I do not use the word Kundalini. Many religious folks have (apparently) claimed the Mighty Serpent as their own. It is a much more sacred (not holy) concept for others than it is for me. I believe that no matter what platform is being presented, the same things are occurring. Historically, religion has tried to explain these natural energetic events, but they are wrapped in a perspective belief system that is thousands (of not more) years old. I was born with much of this knowledge, and I do not need the 'story' behind the magic... To me it is like when I watched 'The Life Of Pi'... Do you want to know the truth about man and God,, or do you prefer the 'story'...? I only know of what I know of. I cannot assume that what is occurring with me is what religion refers to as Kundalini, or the Holy Spirit. There exists no set of rules that the Mighty Serpent follows. I stand as a testament that the common fool can raise and sustain powerful/profound energetic states of expanded awareness, even unto unique one-ness with the universe. It is NOT for the specially ordained.

    Do you believe me when I say that I never asked for any of this?? Much of my journey has spited me, because any information that I can muster from any religion is bathed in stories and dogma. I can't stand it. My experiences come to me wether or not I ask for them... I am not new to this game. I resented it at first. I lament anyone saying that there is a set path, based only in religion.

    Robert Bruce will be the first to tell you that he only has a piece of the puzzle. I consider him a mentor, and a friend. We share a commonality with regards our Western/rogue attitudes. And we share commonality with regards the fully conscious Out-of-body-experience. I intend on taking this entire subject out of the hands of those who consider it supernatural. The mighty serpent fire cannot be contained in a box. I am Cherokee. I was born with great knowledge and no direction. (I wouldn't have it any other way.) I feel that we learn best from each other.

    When you say that Kundalini is an intelligent motherly energy,,, I do not get that!! Unless she has grabbed me by my ear and marching me over somewhere to be punished.
    When you say Chakra, I say Energy Center.

    Powerful Bioenergetic states/sensations occur with or without a sense of purity or unconditional love. I do not mean to say it so bluntly. I only have my experiences. I am not a saint nor am I any type of master or Guru... I can tell you that you do not need a masters degree in theology to be ripped from your reality. You do not need permission from any priest, or master. And you will NOT find it written in a book.

    I do not think that there is another person who can awaken someone else Kundalini. Even if it were possible,, it would be quite irresponsible, in my opinion.

    Every time I ask for a definition of Kundalini,,, Nobody can come with a clear answer. Just parables. I am at a point in my journey where that is just NOT helpful. These ecstatic energetic states cannot be compared to anything that I have ever heard anyone try and describe.

    My apologies if I am stuck in a Western mindset... I can't see any reason for us to continue to describe these types of things with religious jargon. This is dawning on us all.. I am NOT special. Neither are you, for that matter. It is the experiences and the need to interpret them for ourselves that is at issue,,, methinks.

    I am going to put your writings at the top of my list,,, Will you do the same? www.thebookofjacob.webs.com download the pdf,, can't view it from there...

    Part of my overall mission is that we learn from each other, not religion.

    Cheers
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    Just heard the cry of confusion in my mind So it is with kundalini.

    The many myths and tales of this great force has created many diversions...much unnecessary hard work...and often great confusion.

    We seek it, as some illusive holy grail, when it is already present in everything that exists.
    Existence is impossible without it, and the great cycle of evolution of the Cosmic Being, who we are a part of, rides on this kundalini wave of ever expanding...ever seeking...ever growing...ever creating force, which we are all dependant on.

    Like a powerful ocean wave...we will fail dismally in our attempts to prevent it from reaching the shores of the land of beauty and unity and love...were we all belong... But...beware of this great force for it tarries not with obstacles when we fail to follow it's call.

    Kundalini is the driving evolutionary force of the one who we know naught about. The one who we are a part of...the one who holds us close to his heart...the one who knows us...the one who love us.

    Kundalini is the flame which drives our will to reach out to infinite possibilities and experiences...and has no beginning and no end...we each have the choice of where this will may take us...and what the outcome will be.

    Such is kundalini.
    Seek it not...for it will seek you...when you are ready.

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    Jake, I must say I agree with all that you have said in your last response as it was the same attitude I had all along in my journey to the godhead. I had heard much about the kundalini but none of it made much sense to me. When I started that journey, I assumed whatever was necessary that had to occur for me to accomplish that would take place at some point. My attention was never centered upon the kundalini as I viewed that as a side road to the primary goal. As it turned out, that was the wisest choice I could have made.

    The most important aspect was not the kundalini. Why? Because my experiences showed me first hand that whatever the kundalini does or does not is not as important as where one places their "attention". My attention was placed solely upon finding my way to the godhead, regardless of what it would take to get there. If your attention is on the kundalini, then its not focused on what it is you are really trying to accomplish, depending entirely on what your goal is. It made no sense to me to try and raise the kundalini and then hope I would get what I was trying to accomplish.

    It became paramount to learn how to raise one's awareness thereby expanding one's conscious awareness and the first discipline that needs to be mastered is mastering one's attention. My initial understanding of what kundalini could/would accomplish seemed to be haphazard at best regarding what one might expect from it.

    I can't honestly/knowingly say I have ever experienced the kundalini and from what I have read about it, I have no desire to do so because it can do serious damage and mess one up big time. If anyone wants to travel the kundalini path, I wish them all the luck in the world with it. One can attain the godhead without it via astral/soul travel.
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Just heard the cry of confusion in my mind So it is with kundalini.

    The many myths and tales of this great force has created many diversions...much unnecessary hard work...and often great confusion.

    We seek it, as some illusive holy grail, when it is already present in everything that exists.
    Existence is impossible without it, and the great cycle of evolution of the Cosmic Being, who we are a part of, rides on this kundalini wave of ever expanding...ever seeking...ever growing...ever creating force, which we are all dependant on.

    Like a powerful ocean wave...we will fail dismally in our attempts to prevent it from reaching the shores of the land of beauty and unity and love...were we all belong... But...beware of this great force for it tarries not with obstacles when we fail to follow it's call.

    Kundalini is the driving evolutionary force of the one who we know naught about. The one who we are a part of...the one who holds us close to his heart...the one who knows us...the one who love us.

    Kundalini is the flame which drives our will to reach out to infinite possibilities and experiences...and has no beginning and no end...we each have the choice of where this will may take us...and what the outcome will be.

    Such is kundalini.
    Seek it not...for it will seek you...when you are ready.

    Much Love
    Ray
    Something about your words, gives me peace, Ray. Thank you.
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    Greeting to everyone!

    Whatever i had to say regarding my spiritual experience and understanding, what i was guided with and why i put so much importance on Kundalini shakti is described in my book. Since i wrote it a few months ago i didn't feel some profound differences. Probably my sensitivity a bit improved and heart opened a bit wider, otherwise it would be useless to repeat myself. If someone wants to read it the link should be still working.

    As for your book, Jake, i did give it a look even before you mentioned it, i just followed the link in your signature a few days ago. I read about out-of-body experiences from the series of books by Robert Monroe in my late teens. I even tried to induce these states but it never worked for me. I was more successful with lucid dreaming though. But later my attention shifted to somewhere else, i got interested in being enlightened, and it became obvious for me that much deeper processes should take place to get me there than just astral traveling or lucid dreaming. The latter can expand awareness indeed but this is more a horizontal rather than vertical movement. Some core personality hardly gets transformed, at least in accordance to what Divinity would want to happen.

    Also, in my opinion the dichotomy 'religion vs energy work' is really false. They do not contradict to each other, the former helps to guide the latter to its true destination, as simple as that. Besides, 'energy' is rather amorphous and hence non-committal a term whereas in this universe there is nothing neutral: something is either aligned or diverged from God, carried either with a centripetal or centrifugal force, it's all about the extent of it. As you see i adhere to a dualistic view. But once you deeply realize that certain things are totally anti-Divine with all fibers of your being you can't help being dualistic and discriminative.

    And if i apply my discretion to astral traveling, or OBE, or seeing auras, for example, it's obvious to me that all these things can be accessible to rather malevolent people. That's why for me it wouldn't be a definite sign that such and such person is spiritually evolved. But Kundalini shakti is a whole different story since awakening this energy and establishing this experience is inversely proportional to the amount of negativity one holds, so to say. This is my personal experience and observation of how it works in others.

    Inappropriate awakening of Kundalini can be dangerous indeed. But same applies to any kind of misuse or abuse that can give a negative result. If you do not follow a safety protocol when doing some potentially hazardous work, you can be mutilated. If you do not follow instructions or suggestions of someone who is more spiritually advanced, most likely you will get into a trouble and learn it hard way, if recovery is still possible. And if one is truly able to awaken someone's Kundalini without any complications and give instructions how to establish this experience, then this is a rather responsible step. At least it's no more dangerous than anything else in life that requires prudence.

    I would really love to say that it's fine, just follow your path, you don't need Kundalini to connect with God, and there are many ways leading to the same destination. But when it comes to the subtle energy system there are only three major 'pathways' your attention can go to, and only the central channel can lead you to Sahasrara, or the seventh energy channel on the top of the head. And the distance between Agiya and Sahasrara can be only bridged with Kundalini shakti, there are no detours or some alternative 'energy work' that can be done to this effect. The only purpose of Kundalini is to awaken some day, and her single destination is Sahasrara. It may sound a bit categorical, especially for a Western mind, but this is undoubtedly so, whether it likes it or not. But if you consider that many things in life have unique purposes and have no other substitutes to do some work, then Kundalini is not really standing out in her uniqueness. I hope that these words will also give you some peace
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    It would seem that an awakened Kundalini is at least partly due to merit accrued in past lives and this life.
    It is a major blessing though woe betide anyone who thinks they brought it about or own it.
    When Shakti Kundalin starts the homeward journey she is in control and will bring all manner of things into your life for your spiritual evolution---you are in the crucible getting the impurities burnt off.

    Many things will surface---situations will arise which you wish hadn’t, but its all part of the process.
    Its a double edge sword in that shiddis which seem to be great gift are to be let go of, ego will claim to be the "great healer" or lay claim to anything else associated with this.

    The only desire that is helpful is to Know God, to know the Truth.---How may I serve you Beloved?
    One is prepared to surrender everything to this cause.
    Yet "God" is kind and everything you need will come to you.
    Does a good Mother not know what the child needs without being nagged at?
    Its a complex subject but honestly you dont need to know anything--- just trust in Shakti.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    It would seem that an awakened Kundalini is at least partly due to merit accrued in past lives and this life.
    It is a major blessing though woe betide anyone who thinks they brought it about or own it.
    When Shakti Kundalin starts the homeward journey she is in control and will bring all manner of things into your life for your spiritual evolution---you are in the crucible getting the impurities burnt off.

    Many things will surface---situations will arise which you wish hadn’t, but its all part of the process.
    Its a double edge sword in that shiddis which seem to be great gift are to be let go of, ego will claim to be the "great healer" or lay claim to anything else associated with this.

    The only desire that is helpful is to Know God, to know the Truth.---How may I serve you Beloved?
    One is prepared to surrender everything to this cause.
    Yet "God" is kind and everything you need will come to you.
    Does a good Mother not know what the child needs without being nagged at?
    Its a complex subject but honestly you dont need to know anything--- just trust in Shakti.

    Chris
    Thank you for that, my friend. A very profound truth,, "woe betide anyone who thinks they brought it about or own it."

    This is my attitude also. I generally go silent when folks talk about it, clearly they can't be referring to what regularly happens with me. It is terrible/wonderful/breathtaking/devastating,, leaves you wondering/leaves you stuttering. These are much more powerful energetic 'takeovers' than anything I can ever muster with regular energy work techniques. I am not talking about mild tingling, or maybe some stirring on the surface of the skin in areas, or a bit of heat from the top of my head. I am talking about life changing events!!! I am talking about being ripped from my reality, in a tidal wave of powerful vibrations and ecstatic energetic states. Again, I have yet to hear another single person describe theses kinds of powerful events. Of course they go hand in hand with expanded awareness. I don't consider it a spiritual thing. If it is spiritual, then the spirits are man-handling me, with no regards how I feel about it. Depending on my own state of mind,, It can be downright fecking dreadful. I have spent much time in my waking, walking life,,, NOT sure if I am dreaming or not. That sensation has overcome me now, and I do not remember what it is like outside of a dream. Will you let that sink in??? Have I become a functional psycho?

    It used to be that I would have dreams that would manifest in reality. Now,, everything manifests in front of me. This is NOT what I asked for. Throughout my life I have wondered what folks were praying for. I always prayed for Strength, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, love, joy, etc... It was natural for me to pray for non-physical aspects of life. I did not know that others were praying for Money, Cars, Jobs, Houses, Boats,, etc.. Well that is just great. Do you know what happens when you pray for strength,,,,? The universe knocks you on your ass, and makes you learn how to get up!!! Do you know what happens whey you pray for joy??? The universe makes you experience depression and despair!!!

    While watching some of the Vids from the gal mentioned earlier, I was concerned when she began showing the technique where you use the palms of your hands, (one then the other) to feel 'heat' coming from the crown. I was concerned because she said something about cooler temp, meaning that you have forgiven, and a warmer temp meaning that you have NOT. I am at a complete loss as to what she is trying to say... Is she saying that Kundalini will NOT rise, if you haven't undergone the 'required' inward journey that normally deals with the shedding of personal baggage? Kundalini rises either way.. It does for me!! I also get quite confused when people talk about forgiveness, humility, etc.. with regards energy. It exists either way. I do not believe it cares about ones personal journey. It is what it is. Do not challenge it unless you are ready,,, and you are NOT ready. (speaking for myself, here. )

    I am angry because nobody has ever been able to relate to my experiences. People talk about Kundalini as if it is some sort of holy spirit,,, (oops didn't even mean to say that) or holy entity.

    It has manifested for me as a torturous bully, dragging me through the gravel kicking and screaming,, with no teacher in sight.

    Don't get me wrong,, my attitudes are changing. The overall experience is amazing and wonderful. NOW... I have gotten used to it. There is a prize at the end. The full conscious OBE!!! Perhaps it is a psychological escape from reality by a weak mind. Of course it is not. It is the OBE that has kept me sane. It is the OBE that has kept me positive. The amazingly fulfilling journey starts with the OBE. Not the distracting energetic pulsing, vibrating, burning, humming... I am angry also because only about a 3rd of all Astral Projectors ever report any type of energy body phenomenon... I guess I am one of the lucky ones.. (unlucky ones,,, dunno the difference, at this point.)

    It makes sense to me that there is a past life connection. I woke up into this life with a certain commitment to refuse it all... My commitment failed, and I was beaten into submission.... (sub-mission??)

    I have many many questions to ask about these profound energetic states, but I still cannot find someone else who experiences them. So I am still on my own!!!

    I have no idea why I am still in a bit of turmoil over it all.... A lifetime of experience has shown me that this is MY experience. when someone else begins talking about it,,, it seems like they are describing a GUESS. I am not describing any such thing. This is a real life ordeal for me. No guidance. This would have been much easier for me if the only avenues of knowledge were not claimed by a religion. I do not belong in a temple or mosque or church or on a little mountain in Tibet!! I begin to understand the journey of those who tried teaching these things to others. How do I tread? Lightly??? My lives journey has brought me to this place. My task is to inspire folks to embrace their own experiences. INSPIRE them... not MAKE them. It becomes quite frustrating.

    Izheheruvim... I am committed to learning from your work. I hope it is all in there. I refuse to deny knowledge or wisdom wherever I can get it. And surely my knowledge of Kundalini needs to be cross referenced with many of the masters of old. I am stubborn.. Have ya noticed?? I won't attempt a rebuttal to your posts until I have finished reading your words. I must try and do you that bit of honor. I am only a learner. A learner with much knowledge. Please bear with me, as I do NOT know it all...

    Chris,,, thank you for your words. I will get it...
    Jake...

    I try and stay away from the subject because it is much more sacred to others than it is to me. (The subject, not kundalini itself) Yet, I CANNOT stay away from the subject. It seems that I will have to cross religious lines, it I am going to learn about Kundalini.
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    Hi Jake
    This is worth a look.

    http://www.esaiashram.com/bsgoel.htm



    Dr. B.S. Goel

    (1935—1998)

    This was my Guru--- now deceased.

    However K awakened spontaneously without me knowing what it was.

    Chris

    Dr. B.S. Goel now known as Shri Siddheshwar Baba was born on 25th March in 1935. Since childhood he was attracted towards spirituality and often witnessed the divine communication through dreams. He completed the Masters degree in History and Political Science and actively joined Marxism. In 1964 he pursued Ph. D from Delhi University and joined the service in NCERT, New Delhi.

    Dr. B. S. Goel was a very rare individual. He was chosen by the destiny to experience and reveal to the world, the deepest secrets of various aspects of mind and cosmic energy (kundalini). His experience of awakening was quite amazing as described in his book titled “Psychoanalysis and Meditation - Part-II”.

    Dr. Goel has a profound insight into the awakening of the kundalini because he has experienced it. When he was going through the opening of his kundalini, he went up and down India looking for someone who could explain it. He found many people that had theories. However they did not know. Dr. Goel tells of his unusual and sometimes painful experiences on how he came to be realized through the awakening of his kundalini.

    Kundalini is a Sanskrit language word that means coil. At the base of the spinal cord every human being has a powerful, yet dormant source of energy that lies dormant in the perineum. This source is known as the Muladhar Chakra from which three subtle channels known as Naadis rise up through the spine and reach the brain. Although most people are not aware that the Kundalini exists, Kundalini is well-known by serious spiritual seekers.

    Traditionally, it is believed that after being awakened, Kundalini will be able to remove the knots of the major chakras, cleanse, open and develop the chakras until they are fully developed into full-blooming lotus forms. By the time the Kundalini finishes opening, cleansing and developing all of the chakras, the core of the Kundalini will reach the crown chakra, the chakra at the top of the head. This is the time when one attains the highest spiritual achievement.

    Kundalini requires years to cleanse, open and develop a chakra completely, and the process is done in a bottom up in sequential order. So, as the Kundalini starts at the lowest chakra and spends a few years at this base chakra, it will take decades before the Kundalini can start working at the crown chakra, the 7th chakra.

    Thus including the Muladhar there are various Chakras in which very powerful energy lies dormant and once they are activated a human gains amazing divine powers like Telepathy, Hypnotism, Clairvoyance. In fact complete success in life in any and every sphere can come only through the activation of all the Chakras and it is with this aim that true Yogis remain engaged in Sadhanas (spiritual practice). But this process can be very intricate and difficult unless one is helped by an enlightened Master who has his own Kundalini fully activated, who is aware of all the processes of activation and who can activate the Kundalini of others.

    In the early seventies when he was 35, Dr. Goel was in a severely depressed state when his Guru appeared in his dream, and told him that Psycho-analysis and Marxism, both of which he had embraced, were false ways to happiness. His Guru told him the only path to inner peace and joy was through God. In 1975 his third eye opened and his kundalini was aroused. In 1982, he established an ashram named Sri Siddheshwar Ashram (Third Eye Foundation of India, village Bhigan, District Sonepat, Haryana, India) to help and guide other aspirants that where having kundalini experiences on the spiritual path, and called it Third Eye Foundation of India.

    Dr Goels He attests to the truth that the Guru or God can and will raise the individual aspirant from the gross plane of existence to sat-chit-ananda, the state of pure consciousness. Dr. Goel has a description about the opening of his third eye and the suffering he went through as his ego was destroyed and remade. He also explains how this kundalini experience can be different for different individuals.
    Thus the knowledge he disseminates through his books tends to go beyond the knowledge given by “Freud and Jung” Everything that is written in his books has been seen, experienced and lived by him. His books are likely to provide answers to most of the questions related to the Psycho-Spiritual sufferings and the inner search of man. Dr. B. S. Goel has written several books, the most famous is the "Third Eye and Kundalini - An Experimental Account of a Journey From Dust to Divinity." :
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    Jake,

    A "tortuous bully" may well be a far more effective conduit for transformation than some overweight guru. You never know. No pain no gain and all that.

    Just because you haven't found others to empathize with your experience doesn't denigrate it one iota. If we all shared the same textbook experiences, life would get boring quickly.

    Has it occurred to you that, perhaps, folk aren't describing the experience in a similar fashion to how you tasted it because it is simply beyond words?

    Ultimately the experience will be validated through your transformation.

    For what it's worth, much of what you have written tallies with what happened to me, but personal experiences are just that, no matter how much folk try and label them into pigeon holes of generality.
    the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated --- Gandhi

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    I agree that the extent Kundalini shakti can be awakened and established depends for the most part on the 'accrual' from previous lives. And i hope i didn't make an impression that i brought it about or own it. But what Shri Mataji has brought is something unique indeed, that is en-masse and effortless awakening of this energy as well as instructions how to establish her in a gradual manner using "vibratory awareness", among other things. If you knew more than you know about this process you wouldn't be too quick judging the significance of coolness or warmth, forgiveness, humility, etc., however foreign or petty it may seem to you. Also, and here i'm mostly addressing to Akasha, if you were far-sighted enough you would try to see beyond the weight which is quite an irrelevant attribute in spirituality. You wrote me a private message and expressed your concerns regarding Shri Mataji's weight, and i did my best answering to you. The fact that you raised this topic here just showed your caliber i regret to have got a better idea of. You could open a new thread discussing the link between physical weight and spiritual advancement since i would prefer not to do it here. But i bet you won't be able to establish a reliable correlation. The way you spoke of someone who had awakened my Kundalini and is guiding me in my spiritual journey, despite her "excess weight" that i personally find rather appropriate for an aged lady and motherly figure, raised my anger which is quite an achievement i must say. I would suggest you to say, not to me but inside yourself, something like that: "If i'm wrong in my judgement about Shri Mataji, if my mind is still rather superficial and is not able to penetrate through the veils of maya, i ask for apology". If i'm not mistaken, Jake also quite frivolously referred to Shri Mataji with something like "gal". It's not an appropriate way to be addressing someone who could be potentially a highly realized saint, at least so far you weren't able to disprove it. You could challenge me personally in whatever way you wish but i won't tolerate a disrespectful attitude to my guru who i have all reasons to treat with reverence. If you don't try to consider this point then nothing bad will happen, of course, but you would simply lose me as a companion in conversation.

    I don't have time for a detailed answer to all points raised. But to make it quick, sensations of coolness or heat by no means exhaust Sahaja Yoga. It's just one of the modalities of communication that Higher Self uses to pinpoint what he sees as auspicious and pure or as the lack of thereof. But this modality if properly established is never wrong. On the advanced level one is supposed just to know things bypassing those sensations. Also, in the very beginning normally just one or a few strands of Kundalini rise, so one shouldn't really expect some mind-blowing experiences or instantaneous enlightenment. Though some individuals do have rather profound experiences mostly due to their advanced level to begin with. The rest i will try to address next time i sit in front my laptop.
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    I believe that to give our discussion a proper direction we should first agree or probably disagree on what enlightenment essentially is, what should happen to the enlightened ego, emotions, feelings, perceptions. And from that we can judge, if we happen to agree, what should be the workings of Kundalini and which experiences are mostly conducive to this effect.

    If i keep referring to Shri Ramana Maharshi, higher Self or sense of "I" that doesn't vanish or get disturbed should replace much more superficial and wavy ego. When something like that happens one truly finds ground under the feet and all self doubts and self inquiries get gone. This Higher Self apparently sustains itself, it doesn't need to seek any support or justifications for its existence and is the source of tranquility and bliss. There's a Sanskrit term for this state - Nirvikalpa samadhi or "doubtless awareness". In turn, there are different stages of Nirvikalpa when awareness becomes more and more refined and attuned with Divinity but all of them would share the common similarity - one's unity with Higher Self, or Atma, or Spirit cannot be challenged, the challenge itself would cause no ripple deeply inside or even on the surface. Just as a test: ask yourself "Who am I?" and if your inquiry naturally and probably instantaneously gets dissolved in your inner peacefulness and cheerfulness then most likely you are in Nirvikalpa. Probably now you should better understand why i challenged, even insulted you in one of my posts. It was done to test your alignment with the higher Self as a result of all experiences you have gone through. And if you felt wobbly, shaky, angry, etc., anything but peace, then whatever you had experienced so far didn't bring you to Nirvikalpa. So again, i apologize if you took this test personally. But now you should see the reason behind it.

    I shared my understanding of how ego becomes enlightened here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post723607. Maybe just one thing to consider: the reactivity or excitability of ego should decrease as a result of enlightenment since it goes on a different "higher frequency" level. If you are immersed in pure existence and bliss, what would really excite you, especially on the gross level? That's why appreciation of things also becomes different, with subtle beauty, purity, nobility, intelligence (as distinct from intellectualism) innocence becoming the major source of enjoyment. It's like you completely lose taste to food from McDonald's and start coming only to some really high-quality restaurants. This kind of appreciation needs corresponding feelings and emotional states. And if appreciation or sort of "discrete" seeing would come from pure awareness part of the Higher Self, emotional states would come from Kundalini shakti. I believe that Shri Gnyaneshwara said that Kundalini eventually should be the only remaining emotion. This is to address Jake's inquiry of what Kundalini essentially is.

    What should happen ideally in Sahaja Yoga - one from Nirvichara samadhi or "thoughtless awareness" should gradually shift to Nirvikalpa samadhi. To this end a certain purification process in the subtle energy system should happen which, technically speaking, would determine how many threads of Kundalini will rise. There are certain methods and treatments how to bring balance to the subtle system, and "vibratory awareness" plays an important part here. All energy centers and channels have certain innate qualities that should be respected and cherished. By knowing these qualities and their sources in the subtle system, one can use vibrations to see if there is any violation or deviation from what ideally should be, and adjust his or her attitudes accordingly. For example, if one feels heat on the ring finger on the right hand, it would signal too much self-righteousness, stubbornness, arrogance, intellectualism. Since there are ten fingers aside from certain areas om the palms you can imagine that vibrations can present numerous causes for correction. But all of that should serve the ultimate purpose of reaching Nirvikalpa and advancing even higher on this platform. I hope i was able to present my ideas clearly enough.
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