Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

[Dennis Leahy]

Gnostic Media: "An Exclusive Interview with General Albert Stubblebine" - #176

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m1r1bgaQ2Jg

If you research 9/11, you know who General Albert "Bert" Stubblebine is. This is a new interview, and though I am just listening to it myself right now, I think Stubblebine is one of the most important voices in 9/11 truth, so it has to be worthy of a thread.

Dennis

[Bob]

Good Going Dennis - I was going to start a very in-depth thread on him, plus his good buddy dr. Death (Alexander) as some of my DC on the hill friends like to call him.

These guys:
http://www.socom.mil/pages/jointspec...nscommand.aspx

are the current incarnation where Stubblebine started when he commanded the mind war programs. Psiops, disinformation, implant concepts.

[gripreaper]

Dennis, thanks for bringing this to the forefront. I’ve been waiting for this for a long time, as there are very few high up in the hierarchy of military intelligence (an oxymoron) who would ever come forward and admit the 9-11 official story is BS as well as admit the agenda of steering consciousness for nefarious reasons, the Aldous Huxley/Wasson connection, Edward Bernays and so forth.

I tried to get this discussion going some time ago as I often listen to Jan Irvin and have followed his unveiling of the mind manipulation agendas while not even being aware of it, and conversely the Trivium, how to think critically and not become a part of the system. My thread went nowhere. Hopefully this one will.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...2-and-MK-Ultra

Bert woke up late and is now sounding the clarion call of awakening, yet he still believes we have a choice between freedom and slavery, while I feel that we have already crossed the Rubicon, jumped the shark, and are so deeply ensconced in the slave system, which is so deep, so pervasive, so subtle, so soothing and enticing, that the window of opportunity, the door left ajar is about to be slammed shut.

Posted by Bobd (here)
his good buddy dr. Death (Alexander) as some of my DC on the hill friends like to call him.

Bob, would you say that those (your friends on the hill) who have been doing the bidding of the agenda in DC are waking up to the agenda as Bert has, and are starting to do something about it? I’m not familiar with who Dr Alexander is but I think I can extrapolate for now.

[Bob]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Dennis, thanks for bringing this to the forefront. I’ve been waiting for this for a long time, as there are very few high up in the hierarchy of military intelligence (an oxymoron) who would ever come forward and admit the 9-11 official story is BS as well as admit the agenda of steering consciousness for nefarious reasons, the Aldous Huxley/Wasson connection, Edward Bernays and so forth. I tried to get this discussion going some time ago as I often listen to Jan Irvin and have followed his unveiling of the mind manipulation agendas while not even be aware of it, and conversely the Trivium, how to think critically and not become a part of the system. My thread went nowhere. Hopefully this one will.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...2-and-MK-Ultra



Bert woke up late and is now sounding the clarion call of awakening, yet he still believes we have a choice between freedom and slavery, while I see that we are already in the slave system so deep, so pervasive, so subtle, so soothing and enticing, that the window of opportunity, the door left ajar is about to be slammed shut.

Posted by Bobd (here)
his good buddy dr. Death (Alexander) as some of my DC on the hill friends like to call him.

Bob, would you say that those (your friends on the hill) who have been doing the bidding of the agenda in DC are waking up to the agenda as Bert has, and are starting to do something about it? I’m not familiar with who Dr Alexander is but I think I can extrapolate for now.

I'm gonna re-quote all

Please do look up John Alexander, the Aviary, Stubblebine (historical references on commanding the crew to do what they are). Leopards do not drop spots, and if one sleeps with cats one better like a lot of licking. Bob (Robert) Bigelow will come up in the searches - follow up on that too. U will see references on the Ranch (there are lots of posts of what's up with the ranch on this forum too, interesting eh?)

The guys on the hill.. eee How to say it and not get shot at the same time and loose the contacts on the hill that say behind the scenes what's really happening.

It kinda goes like this - they evaluate you to see what type of stand you take, then see what type of programming you have previously received - are you military? ex-military? are you a PhD (someone vested in the continuance of dogma promulgation (weeeee mouthful), then who can the correct "terminals" be who can be enlisted to get all excited about something, so that people pay attention to them and thereby buy the spin.

It is about control, and a controller does not change their stripes as is said once in the Company (C.I.A.) for instance one does not retire but gets involved as a consultant to some high paying government job (the pretty boy contracts). Every one of them have the pretty boy contracts with the pretty boy contractors. It is just the way the "club" works. It maintains order, a smooth flow of information, and no rabble rousers are allowed too much leighway to say too much that rocks the boat.

There are no white nights on the hill (spelling is deliberate).

Take a close look at T. Boone Pickins to see if there is anyone out there who is sincere about helping out the economy, industry and politics. http://www.pickensplan.com/theplan T-Boone's son sued daddy saying he was an abusive father - (there is that control thing again coming up)..

way too many things to get into in one post.. suffice to say, whats happening on the hill is not what we all see in the media.

this is the google keyword search string:

https://www.google.com/search?q=john...bine+alexander

maybe i should toss in this food for thought tidbit... u know Hollywood change the ll's to r's and the H to a w and the perspective will be clearer.. I have some really great friends who are "actors", Emmy award winners, some very really great writers/producers.. I also met some of the best "porn" producers who make the most money in hollywood selling their wares to those folks that need the fix. The industry creates awards to the best actor, the one who can evoke the most convincing, most sincere expression on the silver screen or Red Camera digi these days.. And you know what, and never ever forget it, actors by the nature when they are on the green or blue screen or on set in front of the camera in-character are liars, paid liars - to lie is to create a falsehood on camera to convince another that what they are seeing or hearing is real.. the worshiped thing is about being believable - paid lying in front of the camera make it real, so real... and society around the planet then worships these paid liars in front of the camera as key important people to be believed when they are not behind the all seeing eye. Just never forget - paid liars and awards are given to be the best in front of the camera "in-character" liar and convince the viewer the reality on the screen is real.

The point was to bring up the word which is charged "liar", to point out the way people worship things and don't connect the dots of what programming is andhow one can be so programmed and so emotional to actually BELIEVE the programming is real. One just doesn't get how powerful the narrative programming circuits are.

My good friends who are actors, when not in front of the camera are not liars, they are great.. they are beautiful and so sincere in many respects creating many helpful projects for mankind's good.

My point is in front of the camera in-character is about fabrication to make people believe what is shown on the camera is real and sincere. The mechanism of people using VIDEOS these days to "convince me" I find really questionable. They are playing into the psych programming of Hollywood. Control again folks, don't ever forget that.. please.

Don't forget what i brought up in my DARPA post, the creation of a believable story with a sincere actor is the way being used to program and play ya. (Darpa: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...king-correctly)

i think bottom line, do some research, make up your own mind and see what you get in your heart if what you see matches what you feel, you will know if it is all right or just another spin cycle..

[Bill Ryan]

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Camelot Witness Dr Brian O'Leary told us that John Alexander was one of the few people he was afraid of.

On the other hand, Peterson said (and I believe absolutely correctly) that Bert Stubblebine was a lovely man.

I've listened to or watched quite a few interviews with 'General Bert' over the years, and I've never heard him state anything which I've known was not true.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Bobd (here)
...My point is in front of the camera in-character is about fabrication to make people believe what is shown on the camera is real and sincere. The mechanism of people using VIDEOS these days to "convince me" I find really questionable. They are playing into the psych programming of Hollywood. Control again folks, don't ever forget that.. please.

Don't forget what i brought up in my DARPA post, the creation of a believable story with a sincere actor is the way being used to program and play ya. (Darpa: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...king-correctly)

i think bottom line, do some research, make up your own mind and see what you get in your heart if what you see matches what you feel, you will know if it is all right or just another spin cycle..

Call me dense, but I'm not sure I'm catching your drift... are you saying Stubblebine is just a good actor? And I suppose if you are, that his 'performances' are a limited hangout?

If he's insincere, I'll vote for an Oscar for his performances. I'm completely convinced that he's sincere and the read deal. If you don't think he is, then is it because he comes from "intelligence" - the land of psyops?

Dennis

[Bob]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Camelot Witness Dr Pete Peterson told us that John Alexander was one of the few people he was afraid of.

On the other hand, Peterson said (and I believe absolutely correctly) that Bert Stubblebine was a lovely man.

I've listened to or watched quite a few interviews with 'General Bert' over the years, and I've never heard him state anything which I've known was not true.

Bill I know you have said this and I could say this of my very good friend James Woolsey (CIA director). There is beauty in what people feel is right for the program that they feel is right is real to them, but it may not be real to others.

I will never ever agree to support one who feels to develop a better weapon to control or kill with a thought is a good thing. It is an abomination against life itself.. That is my passion - I will not create nor condone psyops mind altering techniques that harm, control subvert or wreck mankind.

I also talked to the people that Alexander told me to talk to when I asked him personally who is currently working on "the stuff".

He told me sincerely, something to the effect that his very good friend Bert Stubblebine should, beyond any doubt be honored for and considered to be the Father of modern psyops (mind controlling psychological operations). He told me you can find this out, that Bert was formerly head of INSCOM.

He told me that he retired but before retiring and then forming Psi-Tech www.remoteviewing.com with two other folks, (allegedly called in the NSA circles " the General", Mr. Lt.Col Michael A. Aquino (considered as a "high priest of the satanic Temple of Set") and himself - John was a very key man of Los Alamos National Labs. And Dr. Death was very respected all over the mil-psyop circles.

They love each other, and respect each other, and envy each other, and you can see the jostling back and forth as they try for the current Grant Money. When I talked with JSOC (joint special operations command) whom John also mentioned I should talk with, he gave me key mission leaders names, said, ask them what program is currently requesting funding. JSOC said they are in competition with Sandia Labs to develop with Raytheon the Active Denial Weapon. Active Denial can be modified very easily with Stubblebine's notes to be a full fledged at a distance psyops weapon.

All of this is researchable and on the internet even. How can anyone say a jet going into a building, i.e. WTC controlled detonation, pentagon, not a plane but a missile -

what advantage do "they" get by having Stubblebine declare that the Pentagon hit was probably a missile and definitely not a jumbo jet, and that the 3 WTC skyscrapers were controlled demolitions?

The "advantage" is people now open up to someone looking like a whistleblower, hidden knowledge, "i know a secret - wanna know a secret?" PSYOPS 101 introductory material.

I just can't believe psyops programs "the programming" that leopards change their backgrounds.

This is common sense stuff people. I don't need to be the one to point out common sense.

[Bob]

Call me dense, but I'm not sure I'm catching your drift... are you saying Stubblebine is just a good actor? And I suppose if you are, that his 'performances' are a limited hangout?

If he's insincere, I'll vote for an Oscar for his performances. I'm completely convinced that he's sincere and the read deal. If you don't think he is, then is it because he comes from "intelligence" - the land of psyops?

Dennis

Dennis - it's P S Y O P S this man IS the father of PSYOPS - EMMYS and OSCARS are awarded for the best liars on the screen. PROGRAMMING - TV, FILM - read again the DARPA program of the current gig is so strong, they can talk about it openly and people will go "huh?"

They can go to a major University of Arizona and get the KIDS to participate in the PSYOPS study programs. And the school lets it and condones it.

Dennis and Bill I talked with Bert's buddy Alexander for the inside scoop. Dr. Death himself was a very very sweet man so sincere and so kind. I felt so good afterwards till I pinched myself. Also a very sweet sounding man, sweet and light, ever hear that expression?

[Dennis Leahy]

OK, then hit me with a 2x4: what advantage do "they" get by having Stubblebine declare that the Pentagon hit was probably a missile and definitely not a jumbo jet, and that the 3 WTC skyscrapers were controlled demolitions? That's more than a "limited" hangout, that's pants down.

I am not saying you are wrong - I am saying you haven't convinced me. So, he was in intelligence, a psyops guy, let's say he really was the father of military psyops... I know a few veterans that are that vintage (octogenarian to nonagenarian), and that was the group that were (I believe) sincerely worried about the 'red scare' (communism) taking over the world. It makes sense to me that they would develop anything and everything to thwart communism - and feel damn good about it. He sure appears to be an old-school patriot to me, one who was not in the military segment of the black-ops loop for 9/11, and it really caught him off-guard that a segment of the US government and military were responsible for or part of the planning and execution of 9/11.

If you use the logic that all military and military contractor whistleblowers are only psyops, you also throw away Manning, Snowden, Tice, ... everyone who has ever been a 'spook' or in the military cannot be trusted, so discard all of their info. I can see using caution and discernment to evaluate these people, but I have, and I think they are all real whistleblowers, as is Stubblebine. I just can't go with the guilt by association indictment.

(I don't know your background, or why you feel as you do. Maybe you have good reason to feel as you do. I'm no insider, I'm just using my gut and also my head to ascertain just what this individual or the "agency" could gain by any specific info or testimony released.)

Dennis

[Bob]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
OK, then hit me with a 2x4: what advantage do "they" get by having Stubblebine declare that the Pentagon hit was probably a missile and definitely not a jumbo jet, and that the 3 WTC skyscrapers were controlled demolitions? That's more than a "limited" hangout, that's pants down.

I am not saying you are wrong - I am saying you haven't convinced me. So, he was in intelligence, a psyops guy, let's say he really was the father of military psyops... I know a few veterans that are that vintage (octogenarian to nonagenarian), and that was the group that were (I believe) sincerely worried about the 'red scare' (communism) taking over the world. It makes sense to me that they would develop anything and everything to thwart communism - and feel damn good about it. He sure appears to be an old-school patriot to me, one who was not in the military segment of the black-ops loop for 9/11, and it really caught him off-guard that a segment of the US government and military were responsible for or part of the planning and execution of 9/11.

If you use the logic that all military and military contractor whistleblowers are only psyops, you also throw away Manning, Snowden, Tice, ... everyone who has ever been a 'spook' or in the military cannot be trusted, so discard all of their info. I can see using caution and discernment to evaluate these people, but I have, and I think they are all real whistleblowers, as is Stubblebine. I just can't go with the guilt by association indictment.

(I don't know your background, or why you feel as you do. Maybe you have good reason to feel as you do. I'm no insider, I'm just using my gut and also my head to ascertain just what this individual or the "agency" could gain by any specific info or testimony released.)

Dennis

Howdy Dennis - I respect you highly and have followed your posts. I am not here to debate. I have seen two people so far on this Forum point out the Stubblebine is a good guy, who we should trust.

Have you followed up on the google link? Have you talked to StubbleBine's key officer and partner John Alexander.. If not please do. This fellow was not just in "intel", he lead the groups who's sole goal was to win at any cost through deception, confusion, manipulation - he lead the groups who wanted to develop new KILL techniques, methods to kill remotely and insidiously, hidden from the "enemy". That is not just "intel". Intel was only one small gig, remote viewing.

After one identifies the target, phase two happens, find the target's weaknesses and play on them. Convince the opponents that you are their friend.. That they can trust you. Then go for the kill shot. That isn't intel and his background is to create the kill shot as insidiously as possible. And to deceive all along the way, no, it certainly can't be his organization, nope, not one bit..

https://www.google.com/search?q=john...bine+alexander

https://www.google.com/search?q=john...bine+alexander

Please I love your brilliance and the others who have said StubbleBine is somebody to be looked up to that he hasn't ever told a fib.. then let's have a discussion about anything coming out of Psyops program founder is worth following up on and believing anything that is presented. I just think they missed a few key points, and only looked at the roses painted on the tanks.

Bob

Bob said:
I will never ever agree to support one who feels to develop a better weapon to control or kill with a thought is a good thing. It is an abomination against life itself.. That is my passion - I will not create nor condone psyops mind altering techniques that harm, control subvert or wreck mankind.

I also talked to the people that Alexander told me to talk to when I asked him personally who is currently working on "the stuff".

He told me sincerely, something to the effect that his very good friend Bert Stubblebine should, beyond any doubt be honored for and considered to be the Father of modern Psyops (mind controlling psychological operations). He told me you can find this out, that Bert was formerly head of INSCOM.

He told me that he retired but before retiring and then forming Psi-Tech www.remoteviewing.com with two other folks, (allegedly called in the NSA circles " the General", Mr. Lt.Col Michael A. Aquino (considered as a "high priest of the satanic Temple of Set") and himself - John was a very key man of Los Alamos National Labs. And Dr. Death was very respected all over the mil-psyop circles.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Camelot Witness Dr Pete Peterson told us that John Alexander was one of the few people he was afraid of.

On the other hand, Peterson said (and I believe absolutely correctly) that Bert Stubblebine was a lovely man.

I've listened to or watched quite a few interviews with 'General Bert' over the years, and I've never heard him state anything which I've known was not true.

I'm reiterating what Bill Ryan said about Pete Peterson's fear mention of Alexander, Stubblebine's very smart and very powerful personal friend and co-partner. People of like mind and bent stick together especially in the spook fields where they are all watching each others back and covering for each other. How can anyone after hearing Pete state what he stated NOT connect the dots but be blind to the history ? I don't get it. Have they succeed so well? Kudos to Bert then, IT WORKS !

[Atlas]

"It (TRV) is a very systematic, very controlled method of accessing information that is not normally available by any other source... It is independent of time.. I can go present, I can go future. It is independent of location, so I can go anywhere on this earth, I can go into any closet, I can go into any mind..It is independent of space, therefore, I can access that information any place on the planet or off of it if I choose." - Major General Albert Stubblebine, former PSI TECH Chairman Of The Board and commanding officer of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM)



General Stubblebine is associated with John Alexander and Michael Acquino in PSI TECH CORP (www.psitech.net), which was founded by Major Ed Dames and holds the Smirnov patent for a psychotronic weapon.

Stubblebine once admitted in a court of law that his "real expertise is government, primarily intelligence", and, when asked whether he had any other skills, answered "Not particularly".

"[...] my operational commander was the Deputy Director of the CIA and I held all clearances of which I was aware although I now know that there were others that I did not hold. I continued to work as a Defense Contractor until 1992 or so and retired from that business. At that time, I allowed ALL my security clearances to lapse and have no more access to classified, sensitive or other restricted data than you do."

"I am NOT the illusory violent, abusive, alcoholic, "CIA Agent" father of a multiply hospitalized paranoid schizophrenic "activist" whose charges hit the Internet and then reverberate to his glee and our undeserved discredit, despite the bizarre letters we, and others have received to that effect. Nor have I ever stared a goat (or anything else) to death. I did, while on active duty, learn about the purported human capacity to do so and brought the idea that it might be possible to Fort Bragg, home of the Special Forces, with which I have no connection. I never heard what happened to the technology thereafter"

"I have never had any connection, part in, knowledge about, or dealings with the Mind Control program. I believed (until he met Dr. Rima in 1991) that the program had been stopped following the demand of Congress that MK Ultra and other Mind Control programs cease immediately. Anyone making these assertions has no idea how compartmentalization and clearances work: the need to know determines what you know. I was in Strategic Intelligence and had no need to know, so I was never "read into" any Mind Control Program."

(Source: educate-yourself.org/lte/actionabledisinformation23dec08.shtml)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bobd (here)
Have you talked to StubbleBine's key officer and partner John Alexander.. If not please do.

I have neither talked to, nor listened to, John Alexander.

But, as usual, none of us is a completely reliable source (not even our conscious selves.)

(In other words, John Alexander would seem to have had means, motive and opportunity to diminish StubbleBine's stature in the alternative community ... this is a complex web we weave ... certainty is a very rare commodity.)

[Bob]

Did you miss this one Buares? As to answer Dennis - I met Stubblebine in Colorado at International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado in the 90's. SO I really do have first hand personal experience on this matter.

Posting Stubblebine's disclaimer is hilarious. I can ask my cat if he ate the bird and the feathers sticking out of his mouth mean nothing.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...o/people1.html

Gen. Albert Stubblebine

Albert Stubblebine

Former head of the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM) 1981-84 .

Masters degree in chemical engineering from Columbia.

Signed classified contracts with the Monroe Institute. (Emerson, Steven, Secret Warriors, G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1988, pg 103-4).

Stubblebine often met with Noriega while he was a US intelligence asset. (Emerson, 1988, pg 110-1) If you remember Noriega was involved in smuggling Cocaine, one of the CIA's black slush fund assets.

Former boss of Col. John Alexander, and the two have held numerous "spoon-bending" parties. (funny)

Friends with Lyn Buchanan [according to a representative from PSI TECH, the two are not friends]. There is a rather large stink betwen Buchanan, Dames, Moore on who is the best goat starer.

Married to ufologist Rima Laibow.
(Porter, Tom, Government Research into ESP & Mind Control, March, 1996)

Soon after becoming head of INSCOM, Stubblebbine began a program called the "High Performance Task Force", a series of methods to improve his officer's performance. These ranged from the neuro-linquistic programming of Tony Robbins to the hemisynch tapes of the Monroe Institute, where Stubblebine often sent his officers. (Schnabel, Jim, Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies, Dell, 1997, pg 276)

The "spoon-bending parties" were initiated by a west coast defense industry consultant, Jack Houck. (Schnabel, 1997, pg 278) Spoon bending was to show that one could create by mind alone influence. Such graduated, to can we kill something at a distance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis scan down to kill with a thought.

Ronson, Jon (2006-04-04). The Men Who Stare at Goats. New York: Simon & Schuster. pp. 63, (Back cover). ISBN 978-0-7432-7060-1."In 1979, a secret unit was established by the most gifted minds within the US Army. Defying all known accepted military practice—and indeed, the laws of physics—they believed that a soldier could adopt a cloak of invisibility, pass cleanly through walls, and, perhaps most chillingly, kill goats just by staring at them."; "Lenny from Special Forces disappeared into the room where the goat was. He came back and answered, with surprise and solemnity, "The goat is down.'" - this is the extrapolation of Stubblebine's group at its desired outcome, to excel over the Russians in able to kill at a distance.

Following an incident involving an officer having a psychotic episode at the Monroe Institute, Stubblebine resigned in 1984. He was replaced by Major General Harry Soyster. (Schnabel, 1997, pg 316) Stubblebine continued to push people to their limits to the point of breakdown.

"Formerly Vice President for 'Intelligence Systems' of BDM of McClean, Virginia." As of 1992, Chairman of PSI-TECH.

"Laibow, Stubblebine and ufologist Victoria Lacas (with [C.B. Scott] Jones in the shadows) toured Europe and the Soviet Union, where they have established a prodigious UFO/Psi network."
(Durant, Robert J., "Will the Real Scott Jones Please Stand Up?")

Stubblebine gave a lecture at the International Symposium on UFO Research, sponsored by the International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado (May 22-25, 1992). This gives a good example of Stubblebine's coherence (or lack there of) and paranoia (he often threatened to destroy the tape). Stubblebine claimed that none of the members of the remote viewing program had prior psychic abilities or interests (all other sources state that they did). The lies are consistent with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. ALL PSYOPS. Do we need to post PSYOPS manuals next as proof of standard procedure?

Lets clear the word PSYOPS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations

"The planned use of propaganda and other psychological actions having the primary purpose of influencing the opinions, emotions, attitudes, and behavior..."

"This definition indicates that a critical element of the U.S. psychological operations capabilities includes propaganda and by extension counterpropaganda. Joint Publication 3-53 establishes specific policy.."





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Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bobd (here)
Have you talked to StubbleBine's key officer and partner John Alexander.. If not please do.

I have neither talked to, nor listened to, John Alexander.

But, as usual, none of us is a completely reliable source (not even our conscious selves.)

(In other words, John Alexander would seem to have had means, motive and opportunity to diminish StubbleBine's stature in the alternative community ... this is a complex web we weave ... certainty is a very rare commodity.)

Sure Paul, my point is if the person heads up PSYOPS, that says ask what PSYOPS is, why is it done. Alexander was a partner with the fellow, he had no reason to diminish StubbleBine's stature. What one has is PSYOPS infiltrating the alternative community, judas goat really in my opinion.

Let's pull up Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

The Dozier kidnapping
"On December 17, 1981, the senior U.S. Army officer in NATO Land Forces Southern European Command, Brigadier General James L. Dozier, was kidnapped from his apartment in Verona, Italy, by Italian Red Brigades terrorists.

The search for General Dozier saw a massive deployment of Italian and U.S. forces, including thousands of Italian national police, the Carabinieri. The search also featured some unconventional participants, including "remote viewers" from Project Stargate and an international cast of psychics, largely orchestrated by General Albert Stubblebine, then-Commander of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command INSCOM, and a great believer in the use of unconventional intelligence-gathering methods.

An ISA SIGINT team was sent to Italy, and in conjunction with other Army SIGINT and counter-intelligence units, employed aerial and ground-based SIGINT systems to monitor and geo-locate terrorist communications. ISA and the other Army elements provided useful intelligence, helping Italian police to arrest several Red Brigades terrorists in mid-January 1982.

The Italian police and intelligence agencies have never officially disclosed how they located General Dozier in late January 1982. However, U.S. Army participants in the operation have hinted that the mid-January arrests, the interrogation of the interrogation of those arrested, and follow-on investigations led to the eventual location of the Red Brigades hideout where Dozier was being held, in an apartment over a store in Padova.

There is little doubt that the successful outcome resulted in part from the contributions of ISA's SIGINT specialists and the other supporting Army intelligence elements. "

Referring back to my post above we see Stubblebine's plausible deniability of this event and his groups' activity - doublespeak or something else?

Stubblebine gave a lecture at the International Symposium on UFO Research, sponsored by the International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado (May 22-25, 1992). This gives a good example of Stubblebine's coherence (or lack there of) and paranoia (he often threatened to destroy the tape). Stubblebine claimed that none of the members of the remote viewing program had prior psychic abilities or interests (all other sources state that they did). The lies are consistent with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. ALL PSYOPS. Do we need to post PSYOPS manuals next as proof of standard procedure?[COLOR="red"]

There's the "Fib" guys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelli...pport_Activity

[araucaria]

@Bobd
We have a concept for oscar-quality real-life comedians: psychopathy. So we understand what you are talking about. However, I am rather surprised (puzzled) to see to backing up your statements with quotes from Wikipedia.Is not the quasi anonymously multi-authored Wikipedia itself a prime target of oscar-quality real-life comedians?

Edit: sorry, comedians is a gallicism, but an interesting one: it basically means actors rather than comics, but then, what's the difference?

[norman]

There seems to be some kind of inversion field around the ones with hefty dark clout. In my travels I've experienced it.

At the time, I'm overwhelmed with something I can't resist that makes me nod and agree with everything they say. At one level it strokes all the right bits of my consciousness but there's something stark raving mad about it too.

Getting away from a person like that is like flopping down in a chair and realising I've just drunk 20 cups of strong coffee one after the other and I'm completely off my rocker.

[Gardener]

This conversation is so very interesting and it shows that we are influenced by smooth talk and rhetoric, even when there are very definite opposing ideas. Norman says it well when he says.....

At the time, I'm overwhelmed with something I can't resist that makes me nod and agree with everything they say. At one level it strokes all the right bits of my consciousness but there's something stark raving mad about it too.

Is it that we are still enamoured of our beliefs? Wanting to believe because it fits what's already in there and having a hard time dealing with the cognitive dissonance that an opposing belief/information presents.

It seems to be that intel has, for want of a better description 'containers' & 'scoops' which corall people into safety zones to contain the information in one of many places in order to 'deal' with it to limit any damage. There are many of these 'zones' I think. With specific detail to keep people going round the proverbial circle and not really getting anywhere.

I listened to the Stubblebein interview even though I didn't know anything about him, and my reaction was leave it on the shelf, things have a 'taste' or flavour, a strange sense of something which has a vibe that doesn't make any real sense, (the 'vibe' not what is said) (like Norman articulated) like a frequency wall.
I trust that sense, its all we got really.

[Dennis Leahy]

OK, some are very familiar with Stubblebine (probably latter-day 9/11 researchers); some are not. I think it may be good to come back to a reference point that fosters my confidence and that Bobd would see as my point of falling into cognitive dissonance.

I think Bobd has a case...on paper. It is not unfounded suspicion of Stubblebine - the guy was certainly involved in psyops. Does involvement (even heading programs) with psyops put Stubblebine directly in the "dark forces" camp? If so, is that permanent? Does his involvement with (or heading) psyops programs mean that he did have foreknowledge of 9/11 planning, and thus his subsequent "coming forward"/whistleblowing is itself a lie and some form of psyops? (And the video I'm attaching would thus be simply a convincing acting job.)

I have had people tell me their logic as to why specific whistleblowers were fake, were psyops, and produced a desired public effect ("limited hangout.") For example: Assange produced nothing about 9/11 and nothing damning about Zionists or Israeli government. Assange also infamously stated: ""I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." (That remains, to me, the most suspicious thing said by any whistleblower - ever - and certainly undermines Assange's credibility.) These same people then go on to elaborate that the faux-whistleblower is a planned psyop, a limited hangout that misdirects further research, excludes or minimizes the real culprits, and leaves a false sense of the completeness of the overall picture.

So, again, I have to ask: how is Stubblebine's "going public" [that the Pentagon was not hit with a jumbo jet and was probably hit by a missile, that NORAD was complicit, and his overall conclusion that the WTC skyscrapers were all brought down by controlled demolition] of benefit to the dark forces, the real perpetrators? You have to at least offer some idea of how this was more beneficial to the dark forces than Stubblebine not coming forward at all. I cannot think of any way this could be considered as "limited hangout."

There are 2 interviews of Stubblebine: one "in the street" and one at his house (I assume.) He says the same things, with a bit more detail (and less background noise) in the home interview, so I'll post that one. Here's the interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw

I would have to be made to believe that this video bolsters the dark forces agenda, to believe that Stubblebine's story is a psyop. This is different than digging up "dirt" on Stubblebine (he may be "dirty" - that is a different story.) (In this context) I don't really care what Stubblebine's history is; explain how this video interview fosters the agenda of the dark forces.

Dennis

[Bob]

I would have to be made to believe that this video bolsters the dark forces agenda, to believe that Stubblebine's story is a psyop. This is different than digging up "dirt" on Stubblebine (he may be "dirty" - that is a different story.) (In this context) I don't really care what Stubblebine's history is; explain how this video interview fosters the agenda of the dark forces.

Dennis

Welcome to the world of PsyOps Dennis.

Bob

[Gardener]

Dennis he is just repeating what was already covered in alt media and if you go to 12min in the video he will use an entrainment technique, watch that bit see how it feels.

I have no idea why he is endorsing this or even how it might benefit the monolith truly I havent, and I can see where you are coming from. Something is amis. Ok off the wall ideas........ his involement with MK might be more than supervisory maybe he was beneficiary in which case anything goes. Something kicks in at the 12 min mark or shortly after. His meeting with Rima, possibly a 'love bite' scenario. Ok I'll get my coat lol.

[Bob]

Posted by Gardener (here)
This conversation is so very interesting and it shows that we are influenced by smooth talk and rhetoric, even when there are very definite opposing ideas. Norman says it well when he says.....

At the time, I'm overwhelmed with something I can't resist that makes me nod and agree with everything they say. At one level it strokes all the right bits of my consciousness but there's something stark raving mad about it too.

Is it that we are still enamoured of our beliefs? Wanting to believe because it fits what's already in there and having a hard time dealing with the cognitive dissonance that an opposing belief/information presents.

It seems to be that intel has, for want of a better description 'containers' & 'scoops' which corall people into safety zones to contain the information in one of many places in order to 'deal' with it to limit any damage. There are many of these 'zones' I think. With specific detail to keep people going round the proverbial circle and not really getting anywhere.

I listened to the Stubblebein interview even though I didn't know anything about him, and my reaction was leave it on the shelf, things have a 'taste' or flavour, a strange sense of something which has a vibe that doesn't make any real sense, (the 'vibe' not what is said) (like Norman articulated) like a frequency wall.
I trust that sense, its all we got really.

Howdy Gardner - I have met the man. I have met Bo Gritz - he has some most amazing stories about who's who and what's what in the psyops inscom socom "industries". I do spend the time to meet in person who's who.

One knows by the feeling you get, and you know when you see and feel the pattern that the folks read the same training manual, and are doing the deed because that is what the manual says works - how to influence people and win over your enemies. What they have NOT been able to succeed at is hiding the real consciousness behind the programming which reveals who they are, what their purpose is - unless one reaches into that level of determining who they "really are", all one sees is the synthetic "actor" personality. I suppose I can start a thread called, Unfolding the Psyops Psychology, here is how you are duped and become a groupie.

Leave it on the shelf.. I like that understanding reaction.. That strange "sense" I believe is the true direct consciousness to consciousness communications in which one cannot hide and cannot lie. Let's see if I can recall this - from Enigma - "If you understand or if you don't If you believe or if you doubt There's a universal justice And the eyes of truth Are always watching you.." (Eyes of Truth) from Cross of Changes..

I would think folks may enjoy listening to the Album, with some deep travels into reaching in to the "allness" sorta like a let's get our heads reset back in perspective, and get out of the spin cycle. One doesn't jump into the washing machine wearing clothes... and ya, the Kings are wearing no clothes...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Eyes-Of-Truth/dp/B000TD9BIK well worth it or a snippet here:

I have a snippet here: http://dhri.com/articles/enigma-1.mp3 and it's playable built-in from the Forum Player here:

Lastly for Dennis, you asked who the heck am I to challenge the Kings -
I have over 40 years of experience direct first hand experience - one on one inside stuff. I have a 15 page resume of accomplishments in many fields and technologies. I can say I have been there and done that. What I say comes from finding out personally. I don't need to report hearsay armchair stuff and expect people to believe it, nor do I create fancy video's so that people have an armchair no effort pour the experience in watching eye-candy. I just don't do it. I have stated this before in many posts (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sear...st&showposts=1)

I am reminded from a snippet - "How many lights to you see?" --- "I see 3 lights.." "no there are 4.. When you see that there are 4 lights you will be released.." And in the end when Riker gets to Picard and the captain tells him what happened, he says, "you know Will, in the end I think I really started to see 4 lights.."