Howdy again araucaria - my eyes are kinda blurry now, I have been trying to keep up with the damage and prayer thread on the Emergency in Colorado which I stated to try to ask for people to please send us all prayers here as now about 3 million people are affected by the damage. I wrote to Paul to say I am having a bit bleary eyes and I will try one more time to state. I was there, I didn't go there to find a conspiracy. It just happened that it was I had the opportunity to see it feel it for myself. I never found anyone there who felt it was a missile. People felt it was a plane. I reported what I was given as information from people's feelings.Posted by araucaria (here)
The word 'epiphany' comes from the heavy Judaeo-Christian component of our culture and language. It has long since lost its religious denotation, although it continues to have religious overtones for those who want to see them. Bill gave one modern dictionary definition. Here is another: 'a sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something'. That is all the general is referring to, unless one considers he is talking poetry. I think it is much more likely that he prefers the economy of one word rather than a dozen.
Regarding eye-witnesses, one thing that seems pretty clear is that the bona fide ones are not necessarily particularly reliable, and not all are bona fide. They may have seen a plane because according to one theory the missile was made to look like one. Or they may talk about a plane because that it the story being bandied around.
Bob what else don't you believe from Bert apart from the plane thing?
I met Stubblebine when he was in Colorado in the early 90's I believe was the date window. I will have to look up exactly when he was around if that is important to anyone. My feeling from having met him and his key player and associate and a person who worked for him under his official capacity was Mr. Alexander. When meeting the people they are loveable was my experience. I have studied the psyops materials and to me it is simply incredulous that one who was such a patriot would turn against one's peers and say they lie. I find it incredulous and I find that for a person to be able to do that with impunity from one's peers to me irks of conspiracy and that that is a technique used in psyops to create a point that can be leveraged. Is it to infiltrate, my belief is that is highly likely. That I have hear in one of the posts I believe Bill had said he truly believes Stubblebine is sincere. To me that worries me that it isn't sincerity, but it is a continuation of psyops which is conduced in the intel groups - to gather information, and to change viewpoints to allow for a desired spin. DO I know what that spin is, absolutely not, I can only say what I feel as some others have reported what they feel. I asked, said PLEASE show me that the leopard has changed its spots. I am hopeful that such has happened but I don't just believe it. I have see enough of psyops and met enough psyops people to know the signs. I tried to point out some of the signs and referred people to go to the websites that define what psyops is how it is done and why.. It is not useful to reiterate all the details, but to try to find the correct connecting dots to help people get to the core points. I can't say I know how to explain it all, but I can try my best to state my opinion. And my worry is after hearing Alexander say his good friend is Stubblebine and folks expressing their worries over Alexander to me it is connect the dots. I mentioned I know Jim Woolsey. Jim is actively involved in ALTERNATIVE GREEN ENERGY movement based out of Washington DC.. The alternative energy community is about coming up with ways to remove destruction of the environment and the air. That is how I know Jim. What people dub in and I watched Dennis's slam to me for knowing Jim is that now I am a spook and my feelings and observations are suspect - that is the dub-in assumption. SO I hope that adds in what else do I believe from Bert apart from the plane thing. I said Bert and Alexander good buddies based on what Alexander said , and that people have said Bill especially, Alexander is not kewel (paraphrasing).. Bill was the one Paul in his post that says this "I think this may be the nub of the discussion. When General Bert describes his epiphany gazing at that (very small!) hole in the side of the Pentagon," there is the hole a small hole, and dub-in then fills in it must be a missile then, not a big plane like a 757 as conspiracy buffs have said it is. One more time, I said I never saw a plane, never saw a missile.. People said plane, I said I got that from people and have no reason to doubt them. Why dub-in assumptions trying to say I have a feeling it was a 757 - I just don't get it why the need to find a whistleblower person say it is not what the actual people there said they saw.