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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Below is the image that Bobd posted of the Pentagon - showing what it looked like after the secondary explosion at 10 AM.
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    Below is the image shown by Barbara Honegger (see her presentation, linked in some posts on the previous page of this thread) - showing what the Pentagon looked like after the alleged plane impact at 9:38, prior to the 10 AM secondary explosion:
    The first story is at the very bottom of the image, starting just above ground level. The second story shows just two window sections destroyed.



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    That link doesn't work
    Bobd posted a link to an attachment in one of his private albums, so only some members can see it.

    I reposted the image for all to see, in my post just above (since it was a fairly well publicized image, this seemed OK to me to do.)
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

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    Paul (above) is correct. The well-publicized image above (the one in Bob's album, with the fire trucks and the heavily damaged wall) was taken AFTER the wall had collapsed, and is far larger than the hole was originally.

    Here's what the wall looked like BEFORE it collapsed. I believe, but do not know for sure, that this was probably the image that General Stubblebine was referring to when he had his epiphany (= dramatic turnaround realization) that the official story must have been a lie. It IS kinda obvious that there could not possibly have been a 757 which impacted the Pentagon at that point.

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    In order to make it easier for readers to correlate the last two images above (my last posted image and the one Bill posted) with each other, and with the alleged location of the airplane impact, I have taken screen shots of a portion of each image, and hand drawn red lines on both, on the corresponding same location, around the location where the airplane allegedly impacted.

    Bill's image shows more of the ground (including the famous "pristine" lawn with no sign of an airplane's low hanging engines gouging up the grass), whereas the last image I posted has less smoke obscuring the left side of the alleged impact hole.
    Primary things to note: there is no 757 in that hole, and that hole is way too small to hide a 757. If the 757's engines had cleared the lawn, without touching it, then the main body of the 757 would have been at the level of the 2nd and 3rd stories of the building, which has just the outer walls of one small, two window, section knocked out.

    Not even the vertical wall between the two knocked out windows on the second story is missing -- this is exactly where the nose (and all the fuselage behind it) of the alleged 757 would have impacted.
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    If that is the time sequence, what made the second hole? ALL I had to work with was the big hole image. I remember my shock turning on the tube back then that morning and saw like hours and hours of TV coverage.. The big hole caught my attention. It was terrifying !

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

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    If that is the time sequence, what made the second hole? ALL I had to work with was the big hole image. I remember my shock turning on the tube back then that morning and saw like hours and hours of TV coverage.. The big hole caught my attention. It was terrifying !
    Barbara Honegger does the best job I've seen of explaining this. See Behind the Smoke Curtain (The 9/11 Fable of the Pentagon Attack) - Barbara Honegger - Cidersomerset's Post #135, above.

    There was a secondary explosion at 10 AM, which caused the larger hole.
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    I saw in the "second" pix, now that I stand corrected by Paul, and I have been there, lots of very heavy walls, up to the top floors came down also. What type of device can make a small hole, penetrate THAT deep as it did, and somehow then create an explosion that takes out all the concrete and reinforcement. That is quite a yield, right?

    I am starting to read up on all this now, that is why I have questions and I AM sincerely interested in understanding and I am willing to learn.

    Please show me where I can get actual data to explain what yield missile would do it. I have looked at the different types of Twin Towers threads, and have had a great discussion on what type of technology could create a remote type of attack. which is plausible.. I suppose such could have been used on the Pentagon, but I had not connected those dots.. What I recall is the pictures from the morning on the tube when the twin towers were hit and that stuck with me and it was quite traumatic.

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    If that is the time sequence, what made the second hole? ALL I had to work with was the big hole image. I remember my shock turning on the tube back then that morning and saw like hours and hours of TV coverage.. The big hole caught my attention. It was terrifying !
    Barbara Honegger does the best job I've seen of explaining this. See Behind the Smoke Curtain (The 9/11 Fable of the Pentagon Attack) - Barbara Honegger - Cidersomerset's Post #135, above.

    There was a secondary explosion at 10 AM, which caused the larger hole.
    Thanks Paul, I will check that - this thread HAS gotten me interested in this.

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    If that is the time sequence, what made the second hole? ALL I had to work with was the big hole image. I remember my shock turning on the tube back then that morning and saw like hours and hours of TV coverage.. The big hole caught my attention. It was terrifying !

    Hi, Bob -- I learned quite a bit of further detail that I didn't know by watching Barbara Honegger's excellent presentation. Three hours, but three hours very well spent. I've embedded the video again at the bottom of this post.

    The initial hole was made either with planted explosives, a missile, or a small military aircraft or drone. Certainly no passenger plane.

    But they didn't make it large enough! April Gallop's office was very close to the hole, and she evacuated her room by exiting the window next to the hole with her young son. There was no plane, and there were no plane parts, visible to her or anyone else she spoke to.

    The larger hole (as I understand -- Paul, please correct me if I'm wrong) was created when the unstable structure of the wall collapsed shortly afterwards.
    (edit: Paul HAS corrected me: it may have been 'helped' to collapse by a second powerful explosion that happened at about 10 am.)

    Many people who are not fully familiar with the 9/11 story (which is complex and contains many twists and turns) can be totally forgiven for their misunderstandings based on incomplete information.

    The relevance here to the comments you made on your photo album (where you wrote "I really just don't get it") is that the anomaly is explained. Stubblebine stated that it was obvious to him that the official story was a lie (my paraphrase), and he was quite correct in his logic and his conclusions. As best I could see, there was nothing in the Veterans Today transcript you posted that was incorrect or anomalous. It all stacks up.

    Whatever personal opinion you may have of Stubblebine based on believed or perceived past events, his recent video presentations are factual, logical, and contain no inconsistencies. And there's no way I can see that anyone benefits apart from the 9/11 truth movement.

    Here's Barbara Honegger!

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Well done Bob.

    It's easier to impact people with lies and false perceptions than to make them admit they have been deceived for so long.

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

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    At the very end of her presentation, there's this notice:


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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    At the very end of her presentation, there's this notice:
    Similar to above, from 9/11 Pentagon Attack – Behind the Smoke Curtain – Barbara Honegger, with selectable text, live links and more details:
    To purchase the DVD please send an email to bshonegg@gmail.com with the subject “DVD Request”. To request a speaking event with Barbara Honegger please use the same email with the subject “Speaking Event”.

    You can also purchase the “Behind the Smoke Curtain” DVD at http://911ts.org

    You can download this video for free at http://archive.org/details/BTSC-051113D
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Tnx Bill and Paul - I have gotten through 50% of both so far. My bandwidth on Satellite makes it hard to not loose my FAP quota. What is there that I have been able to read, has TOTALLY given me a great new perspective on what I was missing. It's a very good read, and thanks so much ! I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to connect dots. bd

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Below is the image shown by Barbara Honegger (see her presentation, linked in some posts on the previous page of this thread) - showing what the Pentagon looked like after the alleged plane impact at 9:38, prior to the 10 AM secondary explosion:
    ...
    The first story is at the very bottom of the image, starting just above ground level. The second story shows just two window sections destroyed.
    Here's a better resolution version of this same image, taken from slide 109 of Honegger's 194 slide powerpoint presentation referenced above:

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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Thanks Paul I am watching the second presentation by Barbara Honneger and it a
    good way to recap with the vast amount of detailed analysis she presents, much
    we have seen before on other presentations but she has highlighted many
    important links to the bigger picture playing out. An important clarification
    was the actual window April Gallop got out of and it being in wedge 2 not one,
    though many of thewitness's including April smelt cordite not aviation fuel thus
    confirming a bomb rather than plane.

    I have stopped for a break and to check part of the In Plane site documentary
    about the Pentagon and an important question about the amount of fuel carried if it
    was a airliner. ( which it was not)..LOL...







    When I first found out the facade was still intact after the attack, it was
    even more obvious there was no airliner.







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    Now its been pointed out a drone decoy attack probably took place
    to mask the internal bombing you can see the impact on this pic
    below by the heli port/fire engine building,which now becomes
    more significant....




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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    '9/11 in Plane Sight' was the very first 9/11 documentary to come out. Dave Vonkleist was a co-host of the "The Power Hour" radio show on GCN.

    I was listening to The Power Hour regularly on Short Wave radio via WHRI worldwide so I was aware of the the DVD as soon as it was released, in fact before that. He gathered a pile of video cassettes from listeners from which he compiled the material for the DVD.

    The information about the pre collapse damage to the Pentagon was right there from the beginning and I'm now amazed that people are saying that it's a little known fact among 9/11 researchers and activists.

    Also in that DVD is a section about the strange pod shape under the plane that hit the second tower. There was quickly a rallying among the so called truthers at the time to dissmiss the DVD as dissinfo and it was fading away by the time the next DVD came out called "Loose Change", which became a very big 'hit' and I suppose, now, was where most people got on board with 9/11 truth.

    I've just assumed that everyone was aware of the pre collapse half hour at the Pentagon. Just goes to show that when we are discussing stuff here we shouldn't always assume that the others know all the facts, nor should we assume that WE know all the facts either.
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Quote I've just assumed that everyone was aware of the pre collapse half hour at the Pentagon. Just goes to show that when we are discussing stuff here we shouldn't always assume that the others know all the facts, nor should we assume that WE know all the facts either.


    I know Norman its one of the first I saw on the subject and is very good.
    Barbara's presentations on the Pentagon are more in depth and goes into the
    political side of the psyop.

    Its not the pre collapse that is new, most people who have seen any of the
    Pentagon presentations should have come across that. Its the other strike
    by a possible drone, to cover up the first explosion a few minutes earlier
    to make it look like a plane attack that is new to me. I suspect when
    the explosives went off, they had hoped the facade would have collapsed
    instantly so they could claim the plane had been swallowed up straight
    away.

    This is also different to the theory it was a missile, drone or small plane
    used to cause the main strike, not the surmised diversion by the heli/fire
    house.


    Its worth a watch for any one looking in.




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    Just looking in my archive and......

    One of the first threads I posted

    Re: Architects and Engineers solving the mystery of WT7


    11th September 2011 18:28 Link to Post #2


    I've just listened to Major General Stubblbine former Head of Intelligence , Says
    whatever hit the Pentagon was not a plane.......

    Very credible expert witness....




    Aaron Russo confirming 9/11 Fraud most would have heard this before,
    but worth repeating especially for anyone new looking in..
    He explains how Rockafella and the elites have manipulated everything
    to eventually get us all chipped and back to serfdom...




    Cheers Steve...

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...336#post306336

    ===================================================

    Another of my early threads that one man and his dog watched .. LOL



    9/11 TRUTH: Jewish Ex-Marine SPEAKS OUT on Zionist/Israeli Involvement (MUST WATCH

    I also posted Major General Albert Stubblebine vid on here as well..LOL


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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    In order to make it easier for readers to correlate the last two images above (my last posted image and the one Bill posted) with each other, and with the alleged location of the airplane impact, I have taken screen shots of a portion of each image, and hand drawn red lines on both, on the corresponding same location, around the location where the airplane allegedly impacted.

    Bill's image shows more of the ground (including the famous "pristine" lawn with no sign of an airplane's low hanging engines gouging up the grass), whereas the last image I posted has less smoke obscuring the left side of the alleged impact hole.
    Primary things to note: there is no 757 in that hole, and that hole is way too small to hide a 757. If the 757's engines had cleared the lawn, without touching it, then the main body of the 757 would have been at the level of the 2nd and 3rd stories of the building, which has just the outer walls of one small, two window, section knocked out.

    Not even the vertical wall between the two knocked out windows on the second story is missing -- this is exactly where the nose (and all the fuselage behind it) of the alleged 757 would have impacted.
    Most missiles are accurized.. ie designed, software wise, to hit the waterline (of a ship), or as close to it as possible. Pretty well the same for ground based. tanks, low buildings, etc. Hit the bottom, and the top comes down on it's own. Might depend on the specific design, but look it up. Most missiles are designed to hit at that level above the ground or waterline. Especially if the given launch vehicle, in the case a plane, has a perfect flight and sight line for the 'shot'.

    Think about it. A modern missile is designed to be efficient. As functional as possible. And that means a low hit..is the most effective hit. The ship, or building, or tank, or whatever facility... is to go down in as few missile shots as possible. A high shot on a ship is almost an entire waste of a missile, so at the design level and effectiveness level, this is to be avoided at all costs. Design the missile to work where it is most effective.

    And in that sort of analysis, this image of the pentagon and this 'hit' on it....looks like a perfectly made missile shot, where the missile followed and acted in it's native programmed behavior.
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    Default Re: Gen. Bert Stubblebine (Gnostic Media Interview) - Sept 13, 2013

    Quote Think about it. A modern missile is designed to be efficient. As functional as possible. And that means a low hit..is the most effective hit. The ship, or building, or tank, or whatever facility... is to go down in as few missile shots as possible. A high shot on a ship is almost an entire waste of a missile, so at the design level and effectiveness level, this is to be avoided at all costs. Design the missile to work where it is most effective.

    And in that sort of analysis, this image of the pentagon and this 'hit' on it....looks like a perfectly made missile shot, where the missile followed and acted in it's native programmed behavior.
    I would have said it was likely a missile, and there are many posts on threads on here including me, and I would not rule it out. Barbara does make
    a good case for internal explosions , and the columns being bowed out not in, but if more evidence can be found I'm open.

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