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    Just wondering if someone has an opinion on that :

    Quote Some alien researchers say that not only do ET's manipulate our physical bodies in this world, but they also deceive us after we've died. Robert Morningsky warns us not to go into the white light we see when we die because it is a trap to further our enslavement and put us straight back into another body. He says to stop, look around, go out into space and find your own light. The white light is used as a reprogramming centre to install amnesia and screw up our lives because we forget our past lives from this. Susan Reed reports that reptilians erase our past life memories so our subconscious believes we have more karma to pay back than we really do. This also fits in with the Wingmakers guy James who talks about Anu creating an artificial world and luring and trapping souls into it so he can be king of the world.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    Have a read of the tibetan book of the dead.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    The work of Carlos Castaneda - Yes. Organizations dedicated to Sumerian polytheism agree.

    http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/ - edit
    http://www.enkiea.org/
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    Question Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    I would like to learn more on this theory are there any links to share especially Castaneda's perspective?

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    cant quote from after death, but in life-whilst in the pleasure of light we have to be wary that this state is also in a flux.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    There's only one way to know for sure.Unfortunately many that has gone that way has failed to report back to answer your question.

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    Nothing and no one can erase who you are. Your human identity isn't that important to you when you've left form anyway.
    It isn't very important now.
    The answer to the question you've asked is no. You don't need to carry the same paradigm of fear that tries to control you here,
    into the next world. You certainly can if you want to.
    Why would you want to?

    You're 'in God'. There is no other place to be. You're in God right now. There's nothing much that can confront you except your beliefs.
    Believe in cannibal reptile aliens if you want to, and you may have to contend with them. They won't be able to kill you
    because you can't die. How many times have you died to discover you can't die? Maybe you've already been eaten by reptiles.
    I worked with 'the dead' for a lot of years. It's pretty ordinary. There's no such thing as death.
    Here's an idea. If you see a reptilian, eat him. That'd change your perspective.

    It happens sometimes that individuals get caught by surprise through trauma. Or often through simple misunderstanding,
    don't realize they've disengaged from the physical. It's as simple as being preoccupied with what's at your feet, when
    what's trying to get your attention is above you.

    I don't know how often that happens, but often enough as far as I was concerned. It's sometimes helpful for a mind that's
    still attached to it's human story to be able to speak to a human. It would generally go something like this; (perhaps a bit more gently)
    me: I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but you've died.
    them: No I haven't, I'm right here.
    me: Do you recognize your voice as yours?
    them: Um...no.
    me: Are those hands familiar?
    them: No.
    me: Who's are they?
    them: I don't know.
    me: You're dead, and you're still you. There must be some mistake about what you thought dead meant.
    them: I guess so.
    And then we could get down to details. But sooner rather then later, they were ready to acknowledge whoever had come to collect them.
    'Dead' isn't what anyone thinks it is.

    You're not left alone because you can never be alone.
    There are no reptiles waiting to steal your soul. There are no monsters under the bed.
    If you don't go toward the light, you'll be stuck looking at your feet until you do.

    Wait until one of those 'researchers' dies, does whatever he does, and comes back and reports on what occurred.
    He won't be as attached to his identity as an 'alien researcher'. Firsthand information is always the best.
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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    Azt thanks for this post, I do share your concern/observation about the "Light"
    That is a great point in our journey to set a trap!

    I have tried to start conservation posts on this subject before.

    In said posts I explained my experiences with forbidden Taoist Breathing exercises!
    What I experienced was amazing and I believe it was the Light-Tunnel-Entrance,
    but from a static viewpoint IE I wasn't dying but visiting under my own awake consciousness.
    What you see then because of being still/observing are the objects that make up the Light;
    because you aren't hurtling down through them as too blur them into a bright light!

    I also believe the ET's that imprison us (As talked about in so many articles/vid's/interviews and posts); the ones that enslave us for our energies by repeatedly diverting us back into this circle/cycle of so called life (A diminished pale version of life) are actually "Djinns"
    Who are the first and continued deceivers of Humanity, they are great shape shifters of themselfs and our perceived view of reality.

    You have choices at that point, you do!

    markpierre you say
    "Nothing and no one can erase who you are. Your human identity isn't that important to you when you've left form anyway.
    It isn't very important now.
    The answer to the question you've asked is no."

    Well I've also herd and read so many articles/vid's/interviews and posts that say we have been repeatedly on a massive scale concussed of knowledge and our history, true ancestry; many, many times and what we are all fighting for now, in these great days have been "Not to let it happen again"

    So yes! I truly do believe there is a trap that we (Not all) fall into time after time, after time!

    Time to Break that chain
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    My few cents- the moment you accept the idea is the moment it becomes real for you. So you decide.
    You can't live fully when in fear, but it is not good to live in an illusion also, so just don't put so much attention to this.
    Yes, I have read so many articles, books, have seen more videos that are healthy for my sanity, but also I know in my heart I should be more concerned with the time while I am alive than with things that are out of my control.

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    I recall listening to a youtube vid where a gnostic was planning his path through his pyramid for after his passing, to avoid distractions, people wth questions, and bright lights...made sense

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    I saw this clip earlier somewhere on this forum and I think it fits here too... The answer is no.

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    NO.... Unequivocally...

    While I've posted this before, this question begs this reply.
    From "Seth Speaks"
    PG 162
    “Quite simply, a belief in the good without a belief in the evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you. This belief, however, is the best kind of insurance that you can have, both during physical life, and afterward.

    It may outrage your intellect, and the evidence of your physical senses may shout that it is untrue, yet a belief in good, without a belief in evil is actually highly realistic, since in physical life it will keep your body healthier, keep you psychologically free of many fears and mental difficulties, and bring you a feeling of ease and spontaneity in which the development of your abilities can be better fulfilled. After death it will release you from the belief in demons and hell, and enforced punishment. You will be better prepared to understand the nature of reality as it is. I understand that the concept does indeed offend your intellect, and that your senses seem to deny it. Yet, you should already realize that your senses tell you many things, which are not true; and I tell you that your physical senses perceive a reality that is a result of your beliefs.

    Believing in evils, you will of course perceive them. Your world has not tried the experiment as yet which would release you. Christianity was a distortion of this main truth – that is, organized Christianity as you know it. I am not simply speaking here of the original precepts. They were hardly given a chance, and we will discuss some of this later in the book.

    The experiment that would transform your world would operate upon the basic idea that you create your own reality according to the nature of your beliefs, and that all existence was blessed, and that evil did not exist in it. If these ideas were followed individually and collectively, then the evidence of your physical senses would find no contradiction. They would perceive the world and existence as good.

    This is the experiment that has not been tried, and these are the truths that you must learn after physical death. Some, after death, understanding these truths, choose to return to physical existence and explain them. Through the centuries this has been the way. In the system of probabilities that originates within physical reality, this is also the case.

    There are systems of probability not connected with your own system at all, much more advanced than any you presently imagine, and in these, the truths of which I have been speaking are well known. In them individuals creatively and purposely create realities, knowing how to do so, and giving full rein to the creative abilities of consciousness.”

    --------------------------------
    One needs to examine their own beliefs and expectations before ascribing negative attributes to a Generally Positive Universe. If it was generally Negative, it wouldn't exist.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    I read through the responses and saw one word pop out over and over: fear.

    And that led me to thinking about the thread I started about religion versus spirituality, because so much in religion is based in fear. Fear of judgment. Fear of going to he'll. Fear of being alone. Fear of doing it wrong.

    So, my next thought was, what if the people of the world are starting to wake up from their religion-induced fear state? How would the reptilians that run the place reinstall fear - because fear is a potent emotion that makes manipulation easy?

    Wahlah! Let's start a "new-agey" style religion! We'll base the fear on aliens instead of god!

    And what an amazing irony - to turn someone away from that incredible light through fear. Not that I think it could be effective at the moment of facing that light, because one of the functions of the light is to erase fear. But it could keep you in a new level of fear over the anxiety of dealing with your future death during your life - and that is when your fear matters to them anyway.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    Well said Kindred, it has been many years since I have read "Seth Speaks", me thinks it is time to refresh what I already know.

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    I think there are quite a few people here on avalon who know how to astral travel, and have lots of experience of higher realms. Wonder what they say about it.

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    Quote Posted by Azt (here)
    Just wondering if someone has an opinion on that :

    Quote Some alien researchers say that not only do ET's manipulate our physical bodies in this world, but they also deceive us after we've died. Robert Morningsky warns us not to go into the white light we see when we die because it is a trap to further our enslavement and put us straight back into another body. He says to stop, look around, go out into space and find your own light. The white light is used as a reprogramming centre to install amnesia and screw up our lives because we forget our past lives from this. Susan Reed reports that reptilians erase our past life memories so our subconscious believes we have more karma to pay back than we really do. This also fits in with the Wingmakers guy James who talks about Anu creating an artificial world and luring and trapping souls into it so he can be king of the world.
    Hi Azt
    Your post triggered me to share a strange dream i had a week ago or so.

    It was so clear and vivid, i was floating as a white\yellowish glowing orb and i could observe myself as this orb from outside, as i floated away from earth and i could actually see the earth getting smaller, there was this beautiful white light that was pulling me towards it! It was so bright and it felt so warm and it made me feel very peaceful, i could see other orbs also going towards the light hundreds of them all around me, also leaving earth. But suddenly i felt uneasy like there is something wrong here, and i had a feeling inside me that said don't go there STOP! Well next thing i know i am back in my body in my bed awake but i cant move, my head was turned to the left looking at my girlfriend sleeping next to me.

    Here i need to stop and add that i have lately had a few of these sleep paralysis experiences five that i remember(it started some time after i turned 30 in September), i am awake but i just cant move. So what i always do when i am in this state i start to fight it, it feels like my tendons are going to snap my muscles are burning and i am hyperventilating but i just keep fighting until something pops and i can slowly start to move again. Now back to what happened next, as i was looking at my girlfriend i felt something beside the bed looking at me, it was in the foot end of the bed on my side, i started to try and turn my head to see what i felt, as i got my head turned to where i felt it all i could see was a grey fog like thing but it disappeared as soon as i got my head turned to it. At this point my girlfriend woke up because i was hyperventilating so loudly, and the second she touched my arm i could move again.

    This is not the first time i have felt "IT" its a very bad feeling the presence gives me, i will post more details about this another time because i have felt this presence since i was a child, so it will be a lengthy story to tell.
    i haven't told my girlfriend about the grey fog thing because it would just freak her out. Just wanted to share regarding the light thing

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    Quote Dr. Eben Alexander NDE. Thousands of people have had near-death experiences, but scientists have argued that they are impossible. Dr. Eben Alexander was one of those scientists. A highly trained neurosurgeon, Alexander knew that NDEs feel real, but are simply fantasies produced by brains under extreme stress.

    Then, Dr. Alexander's own brain was attacked by a rare illness. The part of the brain that controls thought and emotion—and in essence makes us human—shut down completely. For seven days he lay in a coma. Then, as his doctors considered stopping treatment, Alexander's eyes popped open. He had come back.

    Alexander's recovery is a medical miracle. But the real miracle of his story lies elsewhere. While his body lay in coma, Alexander journeyed beyond this world and encountered an angelic being who guided him into the deepest realms of super-physical existence. There he met, and spoke with, the Divine source of the universe itself.

    Alexander's story is not a fantasy. Before he underwent his journey, he could not reconcile his knowledge of neuroscience with any belief in heaven, God, or the soul. Today Alexander is a doctor who believes that true health can be achieved only when we realize that God and the soul are real and that death is not the end of personal existence but only a transition.

    This story would be remarkable no matter who it happened to. That it happened to Dr. Alexander makes it revolutionary. No scientist or person of faith will be able to ignore it. Reading it will change your life. http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    This topic has been debated on Avalon before. Here.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eath...-or-not

    This was my response.


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    When you live life on earth as an example of Love in action, You create your own light. You shine.

    Only one question you will ask yourself when you passover, Did i love. You will know the answer.

    Do not worry about which light to follow after death. Live a life of love in the moment then the light you follow will be yours.

    Shine on, Peace.
    Within the many prisms of consciousness and love there are many colours. Violet, Blue, Yellow, gold, white, Etc.

    It is very simple.

    Which one you create depends on how you lived your life on earth. Now is the time to take responsibility for your choosing,

    If there exists a light trap for souls and you follow it after passing, then it is only because you did not do your homework while you had the choice here on earth.

    Have no fear. read my signature.

    Peace
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    Friends .
    I think ..

    It is termed the quantum physics ' collapse of the wave function ' in the moment that the observer (consciousness ) transforms the probability wave in the particle.
    Ie , sends the command to the electrons (waves ) , turn particles thus creating the reality to be experienced.
    The ' collapse of the wave function ' is therefore one who creates the physical reality perceived .
    It is important to emphasize that the ' collapse of the wave function ' only creates what is believed to be true .
    Thus , the belief is of fundamental importance in the possible realities being lived .
    This occurs both in the perception of life as after death ( death does not exist ) .
    Because after we die we come to exist in a dimension often more subtle , less dense , the creation of reality by the observer ( consciousness) occurs much faster .
    And this perceived reality is based on what is believed to be living .
    So if what you believe does not contradict the ultimate reality , it is created to be experienced . For good or for evil .
    Thus , the fear of things and situations that occur here on Earth , also occurred after ' death ' .
    If you are in fear is because you believe , if you believe you create .

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    Default Re: Is the white light after we die a trap?

    All I know is I have NO RECALL now---that has always sent red flags to me over and over...it bothers me to no end that I YOU, HIM, HER, THEM HAVE ABSOLUTLEY NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY CAME FROM?!


    So whats the problem with this?? Everyone AND anyone can TELL YOU ANYTHING about who you are, where you came from, and where your going...just like this thread~ ITS all WE do over and over and over and over and over and over again---CONTEMPLATE OURSELVES WHILE WE HAVE NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEGDE FROM SELF

    Hummm what to think about this??? Someone or something has hidden us from ourselves?....we are in a school where for some reason we are to KNOW nothing? Other guesses could go on and on and on......until we die!!! And the kicker is NOONE comes back to tell the tale...OUR EXISTENCE IS NON SENSICAL when one really contemplates our REALITY in this moment


    I would LOVE to see this change --FOR ALL INVOLVED


    May we know who we are, where we came from, and know where we are going!!! AND SO IT IS !!!
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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