Putin In 2014 And Now

[gardener2]

I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

[Xanth]

Yes that's one side of the story ... here's the other ...

Moscow ready to expose 'Kiev in two weeks' spin with Barroso call transcript

Published time: September 02, 2014 15:43 Get short URL
President Vladimir Putin.(RIA Novosti / Alexei Druzhinin)President Vladimir Putin.(RIA Novosti / Alexei Druzhinin)
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Vladimir Putin’s remark about “taking Kiev in two weeks” was taken out of context and its meaning was distorted, Moscow said, adding that it’s ready to publish the president’s conversation with the European Commission head.

Moscow may reveal the full recording of the controversial phone call if European Commission president, Jose Manual Barroso, doesn’t object in the next two days, Russia's permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said.

La Repubblica newspaper earlier reported that outgoing European Commission president, Jose Manual Barroso, disclosed the content of his telephone conversation with the Russian president before the EU summit, which took place in Berlin at the weekend.

According to the Italian daily, Barroso quoted Putin as saying: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks” after the issue of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine was raised.

The EU official said that it was a “threat” by the head of the Russian state, which may be fulfilled in case of further European sanctions against Russia.

Presidential aide, Yury Ushakov, stressed that whether these words concerning Russian troops taking Kiev were pronounced by Putin or not, “this quote was taken out of context and had a very different meaning.”

Ushakov slammed Barroso for even sharing the details of a high-level phone call, saying that the EU Commission president’s behavior is “incorrect and goes beyond the bounds of diplomatic practices.”

“If that was really done, it is not worthy of a serious political figure,” he added.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.(AFP Photo / Odd Andersen)European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.(AFP Photo / Odd Andersen)

Barroso, who has headed the European Commission since 2004, will be replaced at the helm of the EU’s executive branch by Luxembourg's former prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker.

READ MORE: Putin reveals NATO chief secretly recorded their talk, leaked it to media

Relations between Russia and Western countries have deteriorated over the situation in Ukraine.

Moscow is being accused of escalating the conflict by supporting the rebel forces in Ukraine’s southeastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

The allegations, repeatedly denied by the Russian side, have never been backed up with any proof.

In late August, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko sounded the alarm over the presence of Russian troops in the country.

Moscow refuted his claims, with OSCE observers saying that they had not seen any Russian military presence around the Ukrainian border.

The EU and the US have already imposed sanctions against dozens of senior Russian officials, companies and banks.

Russia responded by banning imported agricultural products from the US, EU, Norway, Canada, and Australia.

The one-year embargo introduced on August 7 applies to meat, pork, fish, fruits, vegetables and dairy products.

[Hervé]

Kremlin: 'Barroso Quoting Putin 'Taking Kiev' Taken Out of Context'

Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov said Vladimir Putin’s apparent ability “to take Kiev in two weeks” was taken out of context © RIA Novosti. Alexei Nikolskiy

11:36 02/09/2014 Updated on 01:05 p.m. Moscow Time

MOSCOW, September 2 (RIA Novosti) – A quote about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s apparent ability “to take Kiev in two weeks,” by European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso earlier in the week, was taken out of context and had a completely different meaning, presidential aide Yuri Ushakov said Tuesday.

“This is incorrect, this goes beyond the framework of diplomatic practice. This is unbecoming of a serious political figure,” Ushakov said, referring to Barroso’s comment.

Earlier this week, Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported that after Barroso’s telephone conversation with Putin, the European Commission president claimed that the Russian leader said he could take Ukraine in two weeks.

The Kremlin later responded that Putin’s words were misinterpreted and had completely different meaning.

As the Ukrainian crisis escalated, the West continued accusing Russia of meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs, sending troops to Ukraine, and went as far as to claim that Moscow planned to invade Ukraine. However, none of these statements were supported with any evidence.

Moscow, on the contrary, has repeatedly stated that it is not involved in Ukraine's internal conflict, and said that the crisis could only be resolved through a comprehensive political dialogue.

Kiev’s actions escalated the situation in southeastern Ukraine. Since the country's authorities launched a military operation to suppress independence supporters who refused to recognize the legitimacy of a new government, almost 2,600 people have died in the affected regions, with more than 6,000 injured.

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[Pweeky]

Well, Barroso is not exactly known for being serious..

[Observer1964]

Posted by gardener2 (here)
I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

I think aliens are in the process of stealing our planet by manipulating us into warring with each other, and most ppl dont see it becoz of their beliefsystem.

But if they would come like in the movie independence day we might start working together...
But I dont think aliens would do something stupid like that.

Probably they would do things like 'giving guns to little children' and stand back until all bullets are fired.

[naste.de.lumina]

[rgray222]

All the officials defending Putin are saying his words were taken out of context but they are not explaining what context Putin had in mind. Does anyone know?

[ktlight]

Posted by gardener2 (here)
I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

I think Reagan meant that aliens would become the new enemy, not that it would bring peace.

[Observer1964]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iQxzWpy7PKg

And Yet i ask you, is not an alien force allready among us...

[ktlight]

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
And Yet i ask you, is not an alien force allready among us...

Well, for certain, that human history is one war after another, is very alien to me. And yet not alien, in that this is what is happening on the ground. Will that mean I am alien because I find this behaviour totally alien to me.

[Hogswitch]

My gut tells me this was taken out of context and hyped as a "threat" by those interested in escalating the conflict in Ukraine. I reckon this was most likely part of a response to somebody suggesting that Putin's intention was to take the whole of Ukraine. He's pointing out that IF that was his intention he could already have done it easily, which is of course true. So not a threat but in fact a refutation of the idea that a full scale invasion is his intention.
Hog.

[spizella]

Patriarch Filaret heads the Kiev Patriarchate, a branch of the Orthodox Church that broke away from Moscow in 1992 after the fall of the Soviet Union and the declaration of an independent Ukraine.

His church, a rival of the Moscow Patriarchate which is closely linked to Putin, strongly supports Ukrainian nationhood and the Kiev government's struggle to defeat pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

"With great regret I must now say publicly that among the rulers of this world ... there has appeared a new Cain, not by his name but by his deeds," Patriarch Filaret said, invoking the Biblical character who killed his brother Abel.

"Like the first fratricide of history Cain, these deeds show that the afore-mentioned ruler has fallen under the action of Satan," he said in the statement, published on the patriarchate's website in Ukrainian, Russian and English. (here)

The statement, entitled "New Cain", was released on the first full day of a ceasefire between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian rebels. At least 2,600 people have died in fighting in eastern Ukraine since it erupted in April.

Putin is a baptized Orthodox Christian and has forged close ties with Russia's Orthodox Church, seeing it as a valuable ally in his battle with what he sees as a decadent Western world.

Filaret, who recently took over the Kiev patriarchate, said Putin had deliberately stoked the conflict in Ukraine by sending mercenaries, troops and weapons across the border and had spread lies via Russia's mass media about what was really happening.

Putin denies sending Russian troops into Ukraine or arming the separatists, despite what Kiev and its Western backers say is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

"This ruler is cynically lying, saying his country is not a party to the conflict in Ukraine, though he did everything in order to foment the conflict and maintain it," said Filaret.

"He calls himself a brother to the Ukrainian people, but in fact according to his deeds, he has really become the new Cain, shedding the brotherly blood and entangling the whole world with lies," Filaret said.

Filaret urged the Orthodox faithful to pray that Putin would "come to his senses". Otherwise, the patriarch added, he would face "an ignominious end and eternal damnation in hell".

Source:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0H10F920140906

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

If the Patriarch Filaret who heads the Kiev Patriarchate thinks that Putin is "Cane" or "Satin". Not sure how Cane can be compared to Satin?
BUT what would Patriarch Filaret say about these other leaders in the world who have done far more deeds of death and destruction than Putin?
Since Ukraine owes Russia Billions of dollars for oil and gas and don't have any money to pay maybe Russia is keeping Crimea as payment for debts unpaid while protecting Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
When winter comes and Ukraine has no money to pay Russia for oil and gas what then?
The world is getting really interesting really fast!
Are we going to send Ukraine ship loads of oil and gas for free from the rest of the world so people don't freeze?
Even the European Union buys the majority of their petroleum products from Russia.
Are they going to stop buying from Russia and Freeze? I personally don't think so.
Before religion and state come together maybe Patriarch Filaret should wonder how he is going to keep warm this cold winter coming up by calling Putin "Cane and Satin " when that's where the products to keep warm will come from in Ukraine. I was taught that you don't cut off the hand that feeds you and in this case keeps you warm......

chancy

[linksplatinum]

Posted by chancy (here)
Hello Everyone:

If the Patriarch Filaret who heads the Kiev Patriarchate thinks that Putin is "Cane" or "Satin". Not sure how Cane can be compared to Satin?
BUT what would Patriarch Filaret say about these other leaders in the world who have done far more deeds of death and destruction than Putin?
Since Ukraine owes Russia Billions of dollars for oil and gas and don't have any money to pay maybe Russia is keeping Crimea as payment for debts unpaid while protecting Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
When winter comes and Ukraine has no money to pay Russia for oil and gas what then?
The world is getting really interesting really fast!
Are we going to send Ukraine ship loads of oil and gas for free from the rest of the world so people don't freeze?
Even the European Union buys the majority of their petroleum products from Russia.
Are they going to stop buying from Russia and Freeze? I personally don't think so.
Before religion and state come together maybe Patriarch Filaret should wonder how he is going to keep warm this cold winter coming up by calling Putin "Cane and Satin " when that's where the products to keep warm will come from in Ukraine. I was taught that you don't cut off the hand that feeds you and in this case keeps you warm......

chancy

Good call chancy, and look at where this nonsense story stemmed from. There's going to be a lot of shills, memes, and disinfo for the oligarchy to try in desperation to keep their agenda of lies afloat. To bad that their boat has already sunk though. This article is laughable, and I'm not surprised that they've stooped so low...

[grannyfranny100]

Why do these religious types such as Patriarch Filaret always create political tension and wars? This has been going on for generations world wide.

[Cardillac]

if my read sources are correct the Russian Administration (labeled "Putin") has sent no troops whatsoever into the Ukraine; they're letting the Ukrainians act/revolt against their own western-established puppet gov't, albeit the rebels probably have financing from Russia;

'Putin' (otherwise known as the Russian Administration) is too clever to take the bait;

I think this is a double war; the Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe ("if you control oil you can control nations; if you control food you can control people"- Henry Kissinger) plus the Ukraine is the west's gateway to Russia, the leader of the BRICSA financial mov't which is by-passing the US dollar in international trade (it's always about money, isn't it?)-

Larry

[spizella]

Seams to me that PTB are using MSM and cover up operations to keep their agenda active.
Let's hope that they won't succeed

[Joe Akulis]

People still use that phrase? "eternal damnation in hell" Really? Me and this patriarch need to have a talk...

[jackovesk]

Vladimir Putin on Western Propaganda and Media Lies

President of Russia Vladimir Putin on ((Western Propaganda and Media Lies)). Press-conference about Georgia war in 2008, 14.09.2008.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6u_GrfkHxMA

PS - History always REPEATS...

[linksplatinum]

Dear President Putin and Russian People,

DearPutin.com

Please accept our apologies for the behavior of our Governments and Media. Western Nations, led by the United States, seem determined to start a war with Russia. A sane person would recognize the terrible consequences of such a war and would do everything in their power to avoid it. In fact it appears that this is exactly what you are doing. In the face of an endless stream of lies and provocations you have managed to keep Russia from being drawn into a nuclear war.1, 2

Events surrounding the war in Ukraine are twisted to represent you as an aggressor when the facts clearly show otherwise. Neo-Nazi gangs commit atrocities against the citizens of Novorussia on a daily basis and they receive political and financial support from Western governments. The Ukrainian army has attacked Russian checkpoints and towns and regularly bombs refugees attempting to flee the country. Russia was blamed for the destruction of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, even though the evidence suggests that the flight was shot down by the Ukrainian army. You offer humanitarian aid to the people of Luhansk and you are accused of smuggling weapons into Ukraine.3

Why are you the target of these lies and provocations?The pathological criminals of the West are pushing for war with Russia because they need an external enemy. As long as the people are focused on “Russian aggression” they remain unaware of those truly responsible for the decline of the American economy and social system. In Europe, with its history of brutal wars sparked by arrogance and greed, European leaders have undergone a complete moral collapse and have naively fallen into line behind the USA’s policy of imperial aggression. The last great president of the United States, John F Kennedy, described our common enemy in 1961:

We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.



It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations… Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.4

Since that time the government of the United States and other Western nations have been infiltrated by this “ruthless conspiracy”. While it is not necessarily unified we believe that its leaders think and act without the burden of a normal human conscience. This is why they are willing to sacrifice the lives of millions or billions of people. They supply Israel with weapons that are used for the wholesale slaughter of thousands of Palestinians. They militarize police in places like Ferguson, MO to protect and strengthen their power over the people. They lie to start wars that take the lives of millions of people to increase their political power. They are despicable.5, 6

Like JFK, you have a military background, so you are bound by a sense of duty to protect and serve the people of Russia. It appears that like him you recognized the madness of nuclear war and have turned towards peace.7 You refuse to endorse the American empire and you are working to undermine its power without engaging in direct military conflict. Instead Russia has developed closer relationships with many countries through organizations like BRICS, has forgiven old debts and worked with its partners to meet goals that serve the interests of the people. The idea of international partnerships has been called a multipolar approach and it contrasts sharply with the unipolar, imperialist policies of the US where all countries’ resources are controlled to benefit a powerful few–and at the expense of We the People.

We reject the greed, hatred and lust for power displayed by our “leaders”. We are outraged and horrified by the killing of millions of innocent people in the name of freedom and self defense. We want peace and justice for all people. We want a real and lasting peace, the kind of peace that JFK once spoke of:

What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children–not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women–not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.8

True peace and justice are impossible as long as the “ruthless conspiracy” rules the United States and other nations from the shadows. We pray that through our mutual efforts we may defeat the power-hungry and ruthless criminals who seek to enslave us all. We pray that we may instead foster a genuine peace that makes life on Earth worth living.

Sincerely,

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