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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ho-chu-island/

    They say the 'floating object' at the Tho Chu Island is not debris from the plane ( Update )

    It seems to me ... but that's going to be purely on my assessment now .. they lost orientation at night, for some reason, whether the crew was hijacked or not and took it eastwards ..some parts of the China Sea are very deep ,
    they may be found somewhere completely off the track.

    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworl...p_malaysia.htm

    I'm really surprised where are all the guys with the satellites providing actual time information .



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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Something to take note of:

    This airframe suffered substantial damage on 09 Aug 2012
    when it lost the tip of a wing after colliding with a China
    Eastern Airlines A340 plane during Taxi operations.

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    Quote A taxiing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane (9M-MRO), flight MH389, contacted the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane, B-6050, waiting on the taxiway at Pudong International Airport. No one was injured.

    The tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was broken off and hung on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus 340-600, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.

    The very same plane crashed on 08MAR2014 02:40 a.m. LT in the Gulf of Thailand.
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    Quote Posted by Harley Hawkins (here)
    Something to take note of:

    This airframe suffered substantial damage on 09 Aug 2012
    when it lost the tip of a wing after colliding with a China
    Eastern Airlines A340 plane during Taxi operations.

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    Quote A taxiing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane (9M-MRO), flight MH389, contacted the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane, B-6050, waiting on the taxiway at Pudong International Airport. No one was injured.

    The tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was broken off and hung on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus 340-600, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.

    The very same plane crashed on 08MAR2014 02:40 a.m. LT in the Gulf of Thailand.
    So that is THE same plane, not just one like it????? Just to be clear.

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    According to The Aviation Herald's radar data the aircraft was last regularly seen at 17:22Z (01:22L) at position N6.9 E103.6 about half way between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) at FL350 over the Gulf of Thailand about 260nm northnortheast of Kuala Lumpur and 90nm northeast of Kota Bharu 40 minutes into the flight, followed by anomalies in the radar data of the aircraft over the next minute (the anomalies may be related to the aircraft but could also be caused by the aircraft leaving the range of the receiver).

    Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established.

    http://www.aeroinside.com/item/3790/...rcraft-missing

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    According to the states run Chinese news agency Xinhua Chinese police established that one of the Chinese passengers listed on the manifest never left China, is still at home and in possession of his passport, therefore was not on the accident flight. The passenger's passport had not been lost or stolen, the numbers on his passport and the passport number noted on the manifest are identical however.

    China Southern Airlines, code share partner of Malaysia Airlines, reported that they sold a total of 7 tickets for the accident flight, amongst them the tickets for the Italian and the Austrian as well as one Dutch, one Malaysian, two Ukrainians and one Chinese.



    http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0
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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Quote So that is THE same plane, not just one like it????? Just to be clear.
    Same plane.

    Easily verified by doing a search on Registration: 9M-MRO (from above).

    I see one article by FlightGobal.com with the headline: Missing MAS 777-200 had no major prior incidents which was just published yesterday 08Mar14.

    You gotta be careful where you're getting your info from! LOL

    From the Aviation Safety Network's 'About' page:

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/2...ing-jets-door/

    The wingtip incident was fairly minor and unlikely it would cause the loss of an aircraft should it break off again. Latest (conflicting reports) now indicate wreckage may have been found including a "passenger door" (photo at link). In my opinion this looks more like an emergency escape hatch as it's basically "square", not a rectangular main door. The MSM have also corrected the 2-hr duration to just over 1-hour into the flight (which makes a lot more sense given the location of the oil slick).

    As I've iterated in past posts (unrelated), the MSM are notorious for wild speculation and innacuracies when it comes to reporting aviation incidents.
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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    That there is even the possibility that an airliner can disintegrate into nothingness in mid-air certainly will cause me some real discomfort on my next flight out of town. lol

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    Second that Roisin! - Very disturbing and many anomalies with this one! (and I won't be boarding any commercial flight any time soon )

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    It didn't disintergrate, it evaporated.....

    This is really getting a bit weird, a 777 just doesn't "evaporate".....
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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    yahoo news article, regarding "plane may have disintegrated". Are we really suppose to buy this? I agree silentfeathers, stranger by the day.
    http://news.yahoo.com/missing-malays...3--sector.html

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    Unfortunately everything is pure speculation until the wreckage is discovered. And despite what some people think, that is far from easy. The Air France flight which "disappeared" after leaving Rio a few years back was only discovered after 2 days. Oceans are big and deep, and though the point at which contact was lost is obviously a good starting place for the search, it's by no means certain it will be found exactly there. Commercial flights are in constant communication with the ground, so when it's said the aircraft "disappeared", they don't mean literally, they mean that contact was lost; suddenly and inexplicably. That suggests a catastrophic failure. Yes, it could be that the plane disintegrated for no apparent reason, but it would be the first time in aviation history ! We won't know until the wreckage is found (if ever) and the evidence examined.

    Stolen passports do not necessarily equate to "terrorists" (another convenient scapegoat), a far more plausible explanation would be ... Mossad or any other "intelligence" agency.

    What troubles me slightly is that "pilot error" has become an easy and convenient verdict. The Air France flight and the Korean flight last year were actually more a case of computer error, to which the pilots were unable to respond in the time available for the simple reason they'd been told that the avionics were infallable.

    I'm a little puzzled about how it is that a plane could crash into a very busy shipping lane without being noticed.

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    And it gets stranger...

    Family phoned passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight
    Yahoo!7 and AFP March 10, 2014, 4:24 pm

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/2...rlines-flight/

    Family members of passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 said they have been able to ring mobile phones, and are begging officials to track the signals before the batteries run out.

    One Chinese family said they had been able to successfully call the mobile phone of a passenger on the flight, Singapore's The Sunday Times reported.

    On a Beijing Television news bulletin, a man is shown dialing his older brother, with the call connecting but nobody picking up.

    The man, who spoked to reporters at a Malaysia Airlines briefing in Beijing, said he had been able to make three calls to the phone, but no one had picked up.

    Thai police said Sunday they were investigating a "passport ring" as details emerged of bookings made in Thailand with stolen European passports for the vanished Malaysia Airlines flight.

    Two European names -- Christian Kozel, an Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi of Italy -- were listed on the passenger manifest of the flight MH370, but neither man boarded the plane, officials said.

    Both had their passports stolen in Thailand over the past two years.

    Malaysia has launched a terror probe investigating the suspect passengers and the United States has sent in the FBI to assist.

    Flight information seen by AFP shows that tickets were booked in Maraldi and Kozel's names on March 6, 2014, and issued in the Thai city of Pattaya, a popular beach resort south of the capital Bangkok.

    The e-ticket numbers for their flights are consecutive and both were paid for in Thai baht Each ticket cost THB 20,215 (US$625).

    Kozel was booked to travel from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, then on to Amsterdam and Frankfurt while Maraldi was booked on the same flights until Amsterdam, where he was to continue to Copenhagen.

    Interpol confirmed that "at least two passports" recorded in its Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database were used by passengers on board the flight, which was carrying 239 people.

    "The Austrian and Italian passports were added to Interpol?s SLTD database after their theft in Thailand in 2012 and 2013 respectively," it said in a statement. "Interpol is also conducting checks on all other passports used to board flight MH370 which may have been reported stolen."

    A senior Thai police official told AFP that authorities were probing a passport racket on the resort island of Phuket, where Maraldi's passport was stolen.

    "A police team combined with local police and immigration are working to track down a passport ring," southern police commander Panya Mamen said.

    A district official in Phuket said that Maraldi had presented himself to police there on Sunday.

    "An Italian tourist, Luigi Maraldi, has met (the) southern police commander today in Phuket to say he was not on the plane and his passport had been stolen since last year," district police lieutenant colonel Akanit Danpitaksart told AFP.

    He said they had no information on Kozel's passport but Austrian foreign ministry spokesman, Martin Weiss, said Sunday that it had been stolen on a flight from Phuket to Bangkok.

    - 'Too soon to speculate' -

    The Interpol statement said no checks of the stolen Austrian and Italian passports were made by any country between the time they were entered into Interpol's database and the departure of the flight.

    "Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," said secretary general Ronald Noble.

    "This is a situation we had hoped never to see," he added. "For years Interpol has asked why should countries wait for a tragedy to put prudent security measures in place at borders and boarding gates."

    Last year, passengers were able to board planes more than a billion times without having their passports screened against Interpol's databases. The SLTD database, created after the 9/11 attacks in the United States in 2001, now has more than 40 million entries.

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Anyone think it was some sort of advanced missile/particle beam weapon that caused the plane to vanish? Maybe the captain saw it coming and attempted to veer away from it as reported (plane attempting to turn around/veer off course).


    "Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370"

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Ma...#ixzz2vXldnQE2
    http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Ma..._vanished.html
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    One of the two suspects who used stolen passports to board the missing MH370 flight has been identified.

    "I can confirm that he is not a Malaysian, but cannot divulge which country he is from yet," said Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar.


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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    It is reported now that they have radar tracking of Flight 370 further north and east of Vietnam.

    Busted! Flight Radar Caught Changing Flight Path of Malaysia Flight 370!

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Well, you know how this 'flight radar' map works if you're flying frequently . Somewhat like the Sat-Nav GPS system in your car .
    It corrects itself automatically after it receives feedback - signal from the aircraft , every 5 minutes or so ..it should, sometimes it loses the signal and corrects itself later.

    If it receives no updates it shows plane flying in presumably constant speed and altitude till its next update .
    It's prone to errors and not well equipped for detecting anomalies, and further you're from the land , or in turbulence , the signal tends to fluctuate and the transmission is delayed .

    So this shows only very approximate position and situation of the aircraft .


    If - for example - the plane was hijacked - and the terrorists ordered them to shut positioning systems and radio communication and change the course .. they'd be able to do that .. for a good while .. depending on the area where they fly through,
    they obviously avoided entering either Vietnamese or Chinese air space .


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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Quote Posted by ERK (here)
    Anyone think it was some sort of advanced missile/particle beam weapon that caused the plane to vanish? Maybe the captain saw it coming and attempted to veer away from it as reported (plane attempting to turn around/veer off course).


    "Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370"

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Ma...#ixzz2vXldnQE2
    http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Ma..._vanished.html
    I suspect there is a high level conspiracy in this case. The black box and the radar signals should have made locating the plane an easy job. The sea is only 50 meters deep. It may be easy to prove a conspiracy, but extremely hard to reconstruct the conspiracy. We all know that 911 is a conspiracy, that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. It lifted off, but what happened to it, and the passengers? We all know that cell phone calls could not have been made from the plane too.

    What is disturbing in this case is rather similar. The plane lifted off and vanished. Surely there should be more than just oil slick and a piece of metal? These remind me of the rotor engine on the lawn of the Pentagon, just to replace the whole plane. We all know a cell phone call by a relative of a passenger could never have reached the plane, yet it rang except that no one received the call.

    This post can be disregarded if the plane is ever found on seabed. I am just making a wild guess assuming it is never founded.

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    Surely there should be more than just oil slick and a piece of metal?
    Lab analysis reveal that the oil slick spotted in the ocean comes not from MH370, but from ship bunkering activities.

    Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) Eastern Region chief First Admiral Datuk Nasir Adam said: "The result of the analysis is negative, the samples are not from MH370.

    "The samples are actually from a ship," he told the media today at the MMEA headquarters in Pasir Puteh, Kelantan.

    In the report released at 5pm, the director-general of the Chemistry Department, Ahmad Ridzuan Ibrahim, said the sample was put through three tests.

    The first test was to establish if it contained "mineral oil", followed by a test to determine if the sample from the oil slick contained "light oil" or "heavy oil". The final stage, the profiling process, is to check the fuel type (kerosene, diesel or petrol).

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...ht-says-mariti
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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    May be it is a lesson to China, with the new American technology to show off, since the majority of passengers were Chinese, for China not to side on the Russian side

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