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    Quote A master finds a way through all your defenses to the very core of your being. And the whole work of the master is to wake you up. But man's unconsciousness is such that he can even dream that he is awake and continue to sleep. –Osho









    Quote They asked me how I knew
    My true love was true
    I of course replied, something here inside
    Cannot be denied

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    Even birds leave the only home they have ever known.
    A home created before memory formed.







    Quote So I turned myself to face me
    But I've never caught a glimpse
    Quote Turn and face the strange
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    Here's a lovely footnote from history. The great scientist and polymath Leonardo da Vinci would often go and buy pigeons from the marketplace — and then set them all free, simply to study how they flew.

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    Here's a lovely footnote from history. The great scientist and polymath Leonardo da Vinci would often go and buy pigeons from the marketplace — and then set them all free, simply to study how they flew.
    Inspiring!

    Here now, imaging the release
    In turn freed himself from the convention of (the) time


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    “Love truly, laugh uncontrollably, and never regret anything that makes you smile.” James Dean




    All I can gather from "me" in this spiritual moment is a good laugh...

    No regrets(1:12)


    And all this to be just human.

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    "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." ~ Maya Angelou

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    From the first dawn, we are on our way.







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    I hope William is doing fine, he hasn't been active on the forum in a while.

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    If you think that you can get through life without any major trauma then think again.

    One could say that life is traumatic in itself... Lessons learned through pain.

    Saints are those who alleviate the collective suffering and trauma.


    Quote “Will you please share any practices or methods that may help us understand and work through the core traumas that we experience, especially in respect to other selves who experience these traumas in different ways than our own.”

    Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my friend. Much of the learning that each of you will experience within this illusion will be related to that concept which you call trauma, for by a traumatic experience, whatever lesson you learn will be engrained far more deeply and surely within your own being than a lesson that is learned without trauma. The type of learning that includes trauma is that which requires a certain kind of inner strength that many find lacking within their own nature. Thus, the desire to move through and heal trauma is that which is the observation of a certain experience or instance of experience that is a reflection in microcosm of the larger journey that you make through this illusion. Again, we recommend that meditation is the greatest tool by which you may process the gaining of strength, the healing of trauma, and the moving forward from trauma, using it as a base upon which to make your next evolutionary step.

    Within the meditative state, again we recommend at the end of your day, to take that traumatic experience and to examine it as you examine all experience to learn from experience as you process the catalyst to be more precise, to achieve experience. Look then to that which has brought about the trauma—what was the nature of its origination? Can you see any helpful fruit that came from it? Is there any means by which you have previously been able to withstand the trauma, to move forward from it, and to seek to heal the trauma and thusly learn from it? This is practicing what you might call mindfulness upon both the conscious and subconscious levels of your mind. Your mind is a powerful quality that you may utilize in examining the nature of all of the experiences or catalyst that you encounter in your daily round of activities. When you can look upon any experience, any trauma or difficulty with a calm and accepting mind and heart, it is far more likely that you will be able to receive intuitional hunches or flashes of inspiration that come from your subconscious mind that utilize its contact with your pre-incarnative choices.

    If you sincerely ask of your subconscious mind that it give to you that hint or clue as to the direction of movement in your own daily round of activities regarding the traumatic experience, then you may be able to process this type of catalyst in a successful fashion. We also suggest that you might engage in what you would call the journaling process so that you look upon the experience that brought about the trauma and talk about it to yourself. In many cases, such an activity can activate what you would call the automatic writing that is communication from your subconscious mind to your conscious mind.

    If there is a kind of trauma within your life experience that seems so large and difficult with which to deal that you need extra help, shall we say, from your subconscious, in perhaps another fashion, we would recommend that you utilize your dreaming experiences. Take then, the tablet and the pencil, placed beside the bed, perhaps with a lighted source of some kind, a flashlight, shall we say, and be prepared to record any dream that comes when you are preceding the sleep time with mental contemplation upon the trauma that you have experienced. Your dreams can give you these clues, as can the automatic writing, as can the intuitional flash.

    You have many sources upon which to draw, including your inner guides and those angelic presences that are drawn to you because of the nature of your own being and your seeking. Look, then, with both the conscious and subconscious minds, to the experience of being able to ask with a whole heart, from those portions of yourself and your guidance that they may aid you in your conception and perception of additional information that may aid your growth."
    Quote Group question: What is the function of trauma and how do we heal from it?

    I am Q’uo and am with this instrument at this time. We are, as always, full of joy and anticipation at being invited to join your circle of seeking and learning the channeling service this evening. This is a chance for us to learn as well, my friends, for we learn from you as you learn from us how to be more and more of service to the One Creator which is in all. You know well that we appreciate your acknowledgement that we are your brothers and sisters in service to others and not ultimate authorities. Thusly, we know that you will observe our favor of using the words that we give you and the thoughts that they describe in a manner which has meaning to you, and that you will leave behind any words or thoughts that are not of use to you at this time.

    This evening, you have presented us with a question that utilizes the type of learning that is called by many upon your sphere, traumatic. The experiencing of trauma for the purpose of learning lessons preset by your soul and yourself so that you may progress in the manner which is appropriate for you in relation to where you have come from and where you are going in your spiritual seeking.

    We look upon this topic as one which is most prevalent upon your planet today. The trauma that is experienced in the general run of things, as you may say, is so copious and abundant that it makes it so difficult for entities to grasp in a logical and practical way. This difficulty in grasping the nature of trauma is inherent within the traumatic impact of this type of learning upon the mind, the body, and the spirit of seekers of truth.

    Such seekers of truth who are conscious of their path of seeking realize that that which occurs to them and around them upon this path is more or less predestined, you might say. It is that which is meant to be, for the traumatic experience is that which so focuses the attention of the one experiencing the trauma that the type of response is given as a means of attempting to grasp, first of all, the nature of the trauma, the origin of the trauma, the impact of the trauma, and the response to the trauma that is possible by the seeker. All of this is quite overwhelming, as each of you well knows, for each entity within your third-density experience upon this particular planet has, at least, some measure of experience with trauma, if not first hand, within the being of the self, then within the being of those near and dear to the self, for trauma colors much of experience and learning for all entities upon this planetary sphere.

    At this time, we would transfer this contact to the one known as Kathy. We are those of Q’uo.

    We are those of Q’uo, and we are with this instrument at this time. We have been speaking of the nature and the purpose of trauma or traumatic experiences in your density on your planet. These are momentary or can be of a greater duration in terms of the lifetime of an individual or society, or over several lifetimes, the effects of such trauma or traumas can be felt.

    The feeling nature of your being, your mind/body/spirit complexes, has a sensitivity most necessary for spiritual development, for it aids you in understanding self and other selves, and it aids you in developing compassion and love for self and other selves. But this same sensitivity experiences the perhaps blunt effects, harsh effects even, of traumatic experiences as well, which at first may not be understood in terms of their purpose. But if you can see them as having a larger, longer-term purpose as part of your spiritual development, it may aid you in understanding that as you go forward with such experiences, as you observe and as you experience yourselves, you can mature, as it were, spiritually enough to feel them for their purpose, but to feel them less sensitively than, perhaps, before.

    And in that maturity that you gain, you may not only go higher in your own spiritual development, but be a greater help to others, both humans, plants and animals, the very earth may become more compassionate, more understanding, more able to step in any moment that you observe trauma around you and give that loving touch, that helpful hand, that considerate kind word that helps another.

    The purpose of trauma seen this way is to lift one higher in development. It causes an action and a reaction, and the greater that the reaction can be of compassion and understanding, the higher the individual may rise. It may seem difficult in the moment of experiencing trauma, but understand that as you develop you may be more and more able to be so stable, so secure in your own higher development, that you can remain much calmer than you might have in prior times of experiencing trauma, and this may be helpful for yourself and others. You know such wise souls in whose eyes you can look and they reflect back such reassurance, such calmness and help, and these are the ones who are less impacted, shall we say, by trauma, who then serve their neighbor, their fellow man and woman by being that stable influence and helping in times of trouble.

    There is a Bible verse that says that God has sent even the wicked for a purpose in times of trouble, and that being an old-fashioned English language expression, meaning that there is a purpose for everything—even these experiences that can seem to be not of good, or not of helpfulness. But in the end all is turned toward good, toward helpfulness, for the long arc of spiritual development always tends toward love, compassion, higher development, and the ways are mysterious and sometimes beyond knowing how that may happen, or how long it may take to happen, but, we, as your brothers and sisters, express to you now our own love and compassion for you on this journey that you make. And we now leave this instrument and pass the contact to the one known as Gary.

    We are those known to you as Q’uo, and we continue our examination of this topic through this instrument, though the instrument feels it is salient to note his own fatigue which may limit our ability to speak effectively to this topic.

    Trauma may be fresh within the entity’s experience but as is often the case, it is stored and hidden away, embedded in deeper layers of the entity’s memory and experience. When buried, whether known consciously to the self or not, it may have various effects upon the conscious seeker. Those effects may seem to be self-sabotaging, they may be projected onto others, they may source pain and difficulties with the local environment in all categories, perplexing the self who does not understand the origin or genesis of the trauma. The self, instead, sees the effects or the symptoms without grasping the operation of this trauma.

    Whether or not its source is known, it is well for such an entity to embark upon a path of seeking healing of this trauma, and in that regard, as we were speaking previously, trauma can have a very powerfully catalyzing effect in prompting the entity to seek that healing, and grasp and aim its will upon self-discovery, for all catalyst is ultimately a mechanism of self-revelation.

    Trauma results, as this instrument was describing, as a function of the entity being faced with a catalyst of significant severity that the catalyst goes unprocessed, not only, but the systems themselves may be overwhelmed. There are, of course, gradations of trauma, some embedding and accumulating over time and under the radar sorts of ways; or traumas on the other end of the scale which completely shatter, even, the integrity of the entity’s psyche as they face an experience for which they feel themselves ill-equipped, or completely unable to handle, shall we say, to truly look at and find home for within the being to integrate and process through the open heart, [such] that the difficult experience may be seated and accepted as part of the self, as part of the One. Instead, when overwhelmed, the entity partitions off this experience and the difficult emotions, being unable to accept, perhaps in the deep-seated fear that to accept this experience would constitute a death of sorts, or a loss of self.

    Trauma is a portion of many of your population’s experience. Many, many entities within your plane have or will experience trauma either in their present life or in many of their lives lived in previous incarnations, for if you make a study of the ways of your peoples you will see the often violent, hurtful, negative ways that entities treat each other in this particular plane, from enslavement to subjugation to torture to abuse to the many ways of emotional attack and neglect that may result in this trauma. It is so common and experienced on a wide-spread scale, and often to groups at a time as one group violates the free will of another group, that trauma is often held on a collective level.

    Within the various group minds of your planet is held collective traumas through which each entity within that group mind partakes, carries some of that trauma which informs part of their identity so that the healing of trauma within the self is not always, strictly speaking, a personal act, but is also a collective one, for as the self heals the self, so too does the self heal the group, whether the nearest social complex, the racial mind, [or] the planetary mind, for each is but one light in a network of such lights, each light variously dimmed and blocked by these traumas which ultimately limit, or impede, or baffle the flow of the Creator’s love and light through the circuitry of the seven energy system and the mind/body/spirit complex.

    Regarding how a third-density entity may heal trauma, the ways are as many as there are entities. We would speak to some general principles and parameters, and highlight among them a certain measure of courage perhaps needed by the third-density entity, for that which is recorded as trauma within the being may be, shall we say, scary to the self, frightening. It was avoided the first time. Perhaps the entity was too young to cope, perhaps it happened too quickly for the entity to cope, perhaps circumstances did not support its coping, but it was not processed [and] coping did not transpire so it was avoided, rejected, partitioned from the self, so to then turn the self around, seeking to face it, requires a certain fortitude, a willingness. As with all things, intention is that which begins the journey, but in setting the intention, one is also alerting the deeper resources within the mind and the heart that a journey is desired, that those seemingly separated or lost aspects of the self are once again being called back in to the self.

    This may result in a journey which is turbulent, tumultuous, and maybe even difficult to bear, but we emphasize again, the resources available to such a one for this intention is also a call, a call to the unseen realms, to the guides and friends about one, and to other specialists, shall we say, in the inner planes who work with trauma specifically, and may enter the field of the self to assist in ways unseen.

    As is true in your conventionally understood wisdom, it is well also to have what you would call a safe container to work with this trauma, for that which overwhelmed the self the first time around may hold that capacity again if the self discovers or jumps into that embedded, painful experience without being fully equipped or ready.

    Part of making a safe container is often most effectively achieved with the guidance of an other-self [who is] trained or experienced in working with trauma, whether of your conventional professions or, as you might call them, alternative or holistic fields of study and service. In this safe container the entity knows or is given a safe and supportive structure within which that which was rejected the first time around may be again experienced with the entity knowing that—as it gradually uncovers, analyzes, accepts, forgives, and so forth, threads and layers of this trauma—that it is safe, essentially, that the trauma will not destroy or harm the self, though painful it may be.

    The healing may happen in an instant, or, as is often the case, it may require time and effort and a revisiting of things that parts of the self would prefer not to visit. But we encourage you, my friends, to undertake such a journey, for this trauma within the self, and within the collective, holds stuck energy which, if released or unleashed through love, acceptance and forgiveness, may be made available to the self and to the whole for constructive service-to-others oriented purposes.

    With the present quantities and qualities of energies stored in the held trauma-field of this planet, new worlds could be built, entire transformations of individuals and peoples with the unleashing of this energy, including—and we would bring this thread to a close with this instrument—with the planet itself, which has absorbed so much of the trauma that your peoples have experienced and inflicted upon one another, in its crust and its atmosphere and its energy field, such that peoples and planets are traumatized, both needing healing, both reciprocally able to serve each other in this journey.

    At this time, we would ask if there are any smaller follow-up, or new queries to which we may speak. We are those known to you as Q’uo.

    Jim: Yes, Q’uo, I have a question or two. I was wondering, is union with the One Infinite Creator something we should consciously seek, or is it more appropriate for us to continue seeking to be of service to others and let union with the One Creator happen in its own good time?

    Q’uo: We are those known to you as Q’uo and we thank you for this query, my brother. This is, shall we say, one of those metaphysical brain teasers that has affirmative and negative answers whichever way is explored, for in the latter scenario of your question you speak of that which, for all entities, is an inevitability, for there is an inexorable vector upward for each through whom moves the upward spiraling light. The journey may be decelerated, stymied, blocked or confused, but inevitably that light will once again move the entity along the path until such an entity sufficiently awakens and begins, as the former portion of your query indicates, consciously seeking this union with the one.

    Is it advantageous or helpful or wise to consciously seek this union with the one? For the entity ready for such a journey, feeling even the possibility that such a journey may be undertaken, it is indeed, the central most act of will and the highest, shall we say, aspiration for such an entity to pursue precisely this path—for it is the seeking of, we use this term loosely, truth. It is an act of seeking to become awakened to that which the self has always been, and never was not.

    There are various ways to describe this all wrapped up in the term “enlightenment”, but we suggest that upon this conscious effort to enter the present moment, to be what the self already is, that—as described with trauma, even more so with seeking the One—does the universe ring in response, offering all possible resources; particularly the lesson offered to the entity who learns increasingly that the universe, shall we say, is on its side, offering not that which defeats or stops the self, but offering always and only, truly, that which may be used by the entity to realize its unlimited, infinite, and eternal nature through the sacrifice, or letting go, or transcending of the illusory boundaries of the illusion.

    May we speak to this query further, or receive another?

    Jim: That was good. Thank you, Q’uo. I have another one. If we seek to use compassion and clear communication to heal a disharmony with another person, and the other person refuses to communicate before the disharmony is healed, is there anything else that we can do to heal the disharmony?

    Q’uo: We are those of Q’uo and have received your query, my brother. We thank you for this query, for it is a not uncommon dynamic in your sphere when one entity seeks to heal a relationship of two, earnestly investing energy toward compassionate and clear communication, but is not met with reciprocity on the other end.

    As you present within this room are students of the positive polarity, you will recognize that there are boundaries of free will ever at play in each and every human circumstance, and all circumstances truly, but particularly in the third-density to third-density entity relationship. The extent of service possible for the positively oriented entity must always take into account the needs and desires and free will configurations or distortions of the other self.

    One can only ever make offers and opportunities available, but if not accepted or taken up by the other self, there remains a question that the one seeking healing must ask itself: Should it pursue further, should it relinquish its desires, is there another way of healing? This is a predicament that requires keen sensitivity to the moment, particularly in understanding what the other self is needing and saying, for sometimes [that] which seems to be a “no” on the surface is actually a deep “yes” underneath, [it is] a request and therefore, some creativity is needed to navigate around the seeming “no”. Sometimes the “no” is precisely that, and must be taken at face value and respected, and the attempt released, and many unique variations in between.

    Whether or not there is possibility of breakthrough with the other self, or whether the self seeking the healing must needs release the effort, there is always effort to be made within. It may not be possible in this moment or in any time in your, as you would call it, near future, to make these amends that you seek with the other self, but to make the heart whole within one’s chest is to heal all things, for self and Creator are one and the same, not different, not other than, not at a distance from one another, though the illusion creates that seeming situation.

    Work on the self always forgive and heal the other self, clean the relationship as it exists in your own heart such that you see the other self not only as the outer personality and whatever masks they may be wearing, but you see them for who they are—an unlimited light, unique, beautiful and crystalline representation of the Creator.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Taking a night voyage

    Got us all the blanket



    The view, spectacular!









    Agreed Hope you are doing well, William, on your travel.

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    The people like grass, in full transient resilience, counts the days of the years like a spider's web, shadows and lights accompany us from the womb of the universe in incessant journeys from sunrise to sunset.
    We seem to be inaccessible to any reason here on earth other than life as the customs of confession.
    We defend ourselves reluctantly and courageously, and treatises of thirds and quarters of the moving work of the soul always keeping the origin with us.
    In opposition to any principle of intelligence, we always impose ourselves on a second fertilized plane, an a random autonomous accident, separated from essentially steps, indissoluble and inert in the primary quality of being ALIVE.



    There is no comparison between an inert natural existence and an artificial one, unless you find your own definition in relation to what you call occupied material space.
    Knowing that the primary potentiality truly possesses life as a feeling deeper than the universe itself, you, being your own tool, are recorded in fulfilling your function.
    There is no more perfect limit than to assume that the soul is life, you are life and time is in you and everywhere.

    The relations of relativity on the humblest scale of mechanical and industrial process of the being, under the harmonious sensory faculty, nourish and grow by default. There is no sensation more sensitive than the distance between time and the addressed environment.



    The sensation of liberation can be independent of its own act, an ambiguous and complex independent exercise for the factual situation, a light appearance in bio-sharing conditions, reasonable adaptation and distribution under the original license and form of propagation.
    Our own guidance is an equally important work, guarding at all costs our dialogue with the components of the universe in an art of compositions crossing the soul era in the use of the symbolic design we represent.



    Why soul?
    Because we have to stop being what we know and start being what we don't know.
    You can be "why" for yourself, while billions of "because" are waiting.

    Oh...and..please...



    Onycs - Enliven(3:35)

    And all this to be just human.

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    Sometimes waking IS the dream

    Either way (puns are fun), it’s good present to be here.



    Went this way




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    Davy Jones [Lyrics]
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    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    Though Oz appeared a wonderful destination it was merely on the way







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    Quote Oh, I've finally decided my future lies
    Beyond the yellow brick road

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    Quote destination
    desti-nation?!?!?
    destiny....?!?!?!

    Quote Siamo nati con due destini
    Siamo notte a siamo mattino
    Siamo Rose e siamo Spine
    Ma siamo rami dell stesso giardino
    We are born with two destinies
    We are night and we are morning
    We are rose and we are thorn
    But we are the fence of the same garden

    Enjoy and join listeners enthusiasm

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    Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round

    Then you love a little wild one
    And she brings you only sorrow
    All the time you know she's smilin'
    You'll be on your knees tomorrow

    Your black cards can make you money
    So you hide them when you're able
    In the land of milk and honey
    You must put them on the table

    Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round





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    Quote Posted by Wind (here)
    Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round

    Then you love a little wild one
    And she brings you only sorrow
    All the time you know she's smilin'
    You'll be on your knees tomorrow

    Your black cards can make you money
    So you hide them when you're able
    In the land of milk and honey
    You must put them on the table

    Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round





    I've stopped spinning are walking in circles,it doesn't lead anywhere,only making the same thing over and over again.Deeply boring...
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    Everything is a shadow of truth
    As mysterious the shadow so too inspiration
    Room to breathe against banality and amnesia

    A number of comedian have an ability to slice through the shadows like no other.





    Quote Bill Hicks - It's Just A Ride (1907) – Transcript
    The world is like a ride at an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it, you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round and it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: 'Is this real? Or is this just a ride?' And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and they say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid - ever - because... this is just a ride.' And we kill those people. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride! Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry; look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that - ever notice that? - and we let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because... it's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money. Just a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, into a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and, instead, spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would do many times over - not one human being excluded - and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever. In peace.
    Eyes of Love



    Quote Walking through a dream
    I see you

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    NEW SCIENTIST

    The idea that the future can influence the past may finally explain the inherent randomness of quantum theory and bring it in line with Einstein's space-time

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    IF YOU were to break your arm tomorrow afternoon, would you suddenly find it hanging useless in a sling this morning? Of course not – the question makes no sense. Cause always precedes effect. But maybe life isn’t quite so straightforward for a photon. In the subatomic realm, where the laws of quantum physics make seemingly impossible feats routine, the one thing that we always considered beyond the pale might just be true.

    This idea that the future can influence the present, and that the present can influence the past, is known as retrocausality. It has been around for a while without ever catching on – and for good reason, because we never see effects happen before their causes in everyday life. But now, a fresh twist on a deep tension in the foundations of quantum theory suggests that we may have no choice but to think again.

    No one is saying time travel is anything other than fantasy. But if the theorists going back to the future with retrocausality can make it stick, the implications would be almost as mind-boggling. They could not only explain the randomness seemingly inherent to the quantum world, but even remake it in a way that finally brings it into line with Einstein’s ideas of space and time – an achievement that has eluded physicists for decades. “If you allow retrocausality, it is possible to have a theory of reality that’s more compatible with lots of things that we think should be true,” says Matthew Leifer at Chapman University in Orange, California.

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    Quote But now, a fresh twist on a deep tension in the foundations of quantum theory suggests that we may have no choice but to think again.
    I say that we have to think differently and NOT again.

    As per "Meet your future self",I can say that future self meet me in a moment (in the class room during a boring course somewhere in 3rd or 4th or 5th grade) when I have no clue of all these and I wrote about that lucid dream somewhere on the forum...
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