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    Default Re: Texas family capture alleged 'chupacabra'

    It may be a relative of the raccoon family. Raccoons waddle.
    Look at this:

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    Too doglike to be a raccoon in my opinion. The way its paws wrapped around the cage however is different. Its gotta be like a crossed coyote with ?????? They should do some research here and officially recognize this as perhaps an undiscovered animal.

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    I just can't believe this photo and my you tube still is the same animal even if one has the mange... look at the nose and face! (by the way dogs and coyotes don't climb trees and eat corn out of their front paws). I'm from the south and the worst case of mange anyone down here has ever seen there were still small patches of hair on the body. Maybe this is a coon but it need to be checked out by an actual lab. IMO


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    Solve the mystery. Do a DNA test. Make him well and set him free. I don't know that a raccoon ever ate a goat. We camp. They come out and sit under our chairs.
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    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    Coyotes dogs and foxes do not hold their tail like that. Authorities are so full of ***t. Its obvious to me the failure of the media to acknowledge this new species (or not so new), that they have been coached to ignore this animals existence. It looks like they cross bred a dog and a rat.
    Exactly, a coyote, dog, or fox my ass. This animal is no simple canid by any stretch of the imagination. Just observe its movements, its appendages, the way it handles food, which resembles more a primate or a marsupial than any creature in the canine family, and lastly note its large nocturnal eyes.

    I was just about to edit this post to add something about raccoons, which led me to search for their taxonomy and when I came back to the thread I saw the posts on the (great likelihood of) it being a raccoon with mange.

    Raccoon Source
    Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Family: Procyonidae Genus: Procyon
    The common raccoon (Procyon lotor) is the familiar masked bandit found throughout most of the United States. Procyon means "before dog" and lotor means "washer." They are found virtually wherever there is water, from the cold temperate regions
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    ((((sigh)))) There is no big mystery here folks . . . .this poor animal is a raccoon with mange . . . . a parasite infestation that causes hair loss among other problems and by the look of this coon it has had it for at least a couple years.

    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this . . . I would bet the farm and my first born child on it.

    The video pixiestix posted (#21) is most likely a ‘hybrid coyote’ (with mange) that I spoke of in post (#16) by the look of its head a coyote bred with a pit bull type of dog. These hybrid coyotes would absolutely attack goats and even calves.

    Animals look astonishingly different without fur and may not be acting normally because of being diseased.

    Hybrid animals especially wild animals crossed with domesticated animals are highly dangerous and unpredictable.

    The more humans encroach upon wild animal habitats the more we are going to experience these problems, travisties and conflicts.

    The raccoon in the OP should be euthanized and put out of its misery asap and not used by idiot humans to get their 15 minutes of fame.

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    Humane Society rescues rare hairless raccoon from busy area











    http://www.veronews.com/news/indian_...=image&photo=1

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    Still not Sure ? The Raccoon has brow ridges I cannot see on these though not
    that clear....certainly similar.








    http://newsrender.com/trend/Chupacabra

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    An earlier mystery creature....

    Chupacabra Found in Texas.



    Uploaded on 3 Sep 2009


    A mystical creature known as the chupacabra has been killed in south Texas. The
    chupacabra has no hair and looks like a mix of part dog and part wolf. Chupacabra
    in known to mean goatsucker and is associated as being a Mexican Bigfoot creature
    where only sightings have been reported. No one actually had proof of the
    chupacabra until now. According to CNN, a taxidermist from Texas has the creature
    known as the chupacabra that one of the school's former students caught in his
    cousin's barn.

    All the news outlets are swarming upon the taxidermist shop in Texas just to get a
    glimpse of the animals. There were no known pictures of the chupacabra, but know
    people can take their own chupacabra pictures from a real animal.
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    Default Re: Texas family capture alleged 'chupacabra'

    Remember that time some kids thought they killed an ET or " Montauk Monster"?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Creature
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    Default Re: Texas family capture alleged 'chupacabra'

    Thank God for pet sweaters. The mexican hairless, looks a lot like many chup claims, however the one in the OP here is definitely not of the canine family. I wonder still if in nature any sort of hanky panky goes on between breeds, like coons with whatever??? Not everything is a government lab experiment. lol Although, some definitely ARE. It is nice to see threads like this where we can all calmly look closer and weigh the information and find some kind of truth without any kind of bickering.
    Either way, give the poor creature some food, a sweater and a bed.

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    Default Re: Texas family capture alleged 'chupacabra'

    ......................................
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    Quote Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter

    By By Benjamin Radford, LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist 1 hour ago

    Texas couple has captured what is being called a baby chupacabra, the legendary animal said to roam the countryside in search of blood. The "Ratcliffe chupacabra," as it's been dubbed, was found Sunday in a tree on the couple's property in Ratcliffe, Texas. But upon closer examination, it becomes clear that the mysterious creature couldn't possibly be the legendary beast.

    The defining feature of the chupacabra is that it's a vampire: Chupacabra means "goat sucker" in Spanish, named so because it is said to drain the blood from animals such as goats, chickens and other livestock.

    The news and video footage of the small, hairless, caged animal went viral and left countless people scratching their heads, wondering if a chupacabra (unlike Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster) has finally been caught. "In Dewitt County, [Texas], most people are convinced this is the elusive chupacabra," said a reporter with KAVU News, an ABC affiliate based in Victoria, Texas, though a wildlife biologist suggested it might be a dog or coyote. Still, others are not convinced. [Bigfoot to Chupacabra: Our 10 Favorite Monsters]

    So, is this animal the elusive chupacabra? It's clear that it's not, because video of the creature broadcast on KAVU clearly shows the Ratcliffe chupacabra doesn't have the anatomical mouth features that would allow it to suck blood, from goats or anything else. Like several other "chupacabras" found in Texas and elsewhere in recent years, a simple look at the mouth demonstrates that it is physically impossible for the animals to suck blood. The mouth and jaw structures of raccoons, dogs and coyotes prevent them from creating a seal around their victims, and, therefore, physically prevents them from sucking the blood out of goats or anything else. This Ratcliffe chupacabra was not seen nor videotaped sucking blood from anything.

    What is it?

    So, if the mysterious animal is not a chupacabra, then what is it?

    The most likely answer is that it's a raccoon. Animals that have lost most or all of their hair can be very difficult to identify correctly, for the simple reason that people are not used to seeing the animals without hair. Wildlife experts often see wild animals suffering from various stages of sarcoptic mange — a skin disease that causes animals' hair to fall out — but most people do not. Healthy raccoons are instantly recognizable by their signature dark "bandit mask" coloring around their eyes. But when their facial hair falls out due to disease, it becomes much more difficult to identify the animal. [Rumor or Reality: The Creatures of Cryptozoology]
    Then, you need to look at other features, including size, behavior and anatomy
    .

    These features suggest that the Ratcliffe chupacabra is, indeed, a raccoon. And though most "chupacabras" found in Texas have been identified as canids (the zoological family that includes dogs, coyotes and foxes), this is not the first raccoon misidentified as a chupacabra. In an article in the March/April 2014 issue of "Skeptical Inquirer," another "chupacabra" found and photographed in the 1950s in Texas was identified by Darren Naish, a vertebrate paleontologist and science writer from the University of Southampton, as a mangy raccoon.

    Another clue about the animal's origins can be found in where it was discovered: in a tree. This is a typical place to find a raccoon, but unlikely for a dog or coyote. Furthermore, in a video of the animal, the Ratcliffe chupacabra picks up food with its paws to eat. This behavior is also typical of raccoons. The mysterious critter is currently being fed a diet of corn and cat food, but if the creature truly is a chupacabra, that theory can be easily tested: Put it in a pen with a goat or chicken, and see if it attacks them and sucks out its blood.

    The reason that the Ratcliffe chupacabra has been called a chupacabra is not that the mysterious animal's characteristics match those of the legendary vampire — because they don't — but instead because those who found it didn't know what else to call it, according to the book "Tracking the Chupacabra: The Vampire Beast in Fact, Fiction, and Folklore" (University of New Mexico Press, 2011).

    The original chupacabra, whose image came from the 1995 science-fiction film "Species," was of a bipedal, spiky-backed monster with glowing red eyes. That chupacabra has faded into folklore and myth, but over the past decade, any strange animal whose identity is not immediately obvious is often dubbed a "chupacabra." The word has become a sort of catch-all term for weird animals, living or dead. It's not surprising that the chupacabra continues to be found, whether it exists or not.

    http://news.yahoo.com/texas-chupacab...150633789.html

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    Default Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    This thread I just had to post. This is kind of out of character for me but I just had to do it.
    I'm not posting the whole thing (see source) just some inserts out of it... Most of the post has the same information as I posted in my first thread except for some of these quotes.


    Here They Are:

    Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter
    By Benjamin Radford, LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist... weird name title

    “The original chupacabra, whose image came from the 1995 science-fiction film "Species," was of a bipedal, spiky-backed monster with glowing red eyes”... Well ok

    “this is not the first raccoon misidentified as a chupacabra. In an article in the March/April 2014 issue of "Skeptical Inquirer," (which he is also a writer) another "chupacabra" found and photographed in the 1950s in Texas was identified by Darren Naish, a vertebrate paleontologist and science writer from the University of Southampton, as a mangy raccoon”... 1995 – 1950 were they believed in back then?

    “The reason that the Ratcliffe chupacabra has been called a chupacabra is not that the mysterious animal's characteristics match those of the legendary vampire — because they don't — but instead because those who found it didn't know what else to call it, according to the book "Tracking the Chupacabra: The Vampire Beast in Fact, Fiction, and Folklore" (University of New Mexico Press, 2011).... which he wrote them all

    “Another clue about the animal's origins can be found in where it was discovered: in a tree. This is a typical place to find a raccoon, but unlikely for a dog or coyote”... Duh...

    “most people are convinced this is the elusive chupacabra," said a reporter with KAVU News, an ABC affiliate based in Victoria, Texas, though a wildlife biologist suggested it might be a dog or coyote”... He probably wasn't even there if he thought it was a dog!

    Here's the best one!

    “but if the creature truly is a chupacabra, that theory can be easily tested: Put it in a pen with a goat or chicken, and see if it attacks them and sucks out its blood”...



    Does this writer really make this animal with this story turn out to be an imposter?
    I don't know what kind of animal this is... dog, coyote, coon, rabbit, cat... but it needs professional tests ran on it! Then I will believe...




    Source: http://www.livescience.com/44617-tex...a-mystery.html




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    Default Re: Texas family capture alleged 'chupacabra'

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    Default Re: Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    Definitely not a raccoon; the nose and snout are fare too broad to be a raccoon. Also there is too much variance between the fore legs and hind legs to be a canine...perhaps it's a raccoon/canine hybrid?

    Allow me to bust your chops for a second; you already have at least one thread started on this subject; why start another one?
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    Default Re: Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    Allow me to bust your chops for a second; you already have at least one thread started on this subject; why start another one?
    Long story short... my point here is to show how a writer (of many books may I add) can supposedly try to convince an audience of readers that the Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be An Imposter with out any scientific proof at all. IMO if you're going to make a statement like this something has to be done professionally to the animal.

    By the way, I started a new thread on the subject to draw mainly more attention to the way someone can stupidly debunk a story... seems like it's working.


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    Default Re: Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    Since you have two threads on this same topic I will post on ‘this one’. Especially since I was the one who posted this article (OP) on your other Texas chupacabra thread.

    I am amazed and discouraged that there is so little common, practical sense anymore.

    The article written by Benjamin Radford ( LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist) was obviously somewhat tongue in cheek and in jest that someone would actually be naïve enough to believe this poor mange ridden raccoon is a ‘chupacabra”.

    Even more amazing that no one caught in the video that the Texas man who caught the raccoon was playing ‘people for fools’. He knows very well and good that this animal is a coon but got his 15 minutes of fame.

    The raccoon was thankfully euthanized this morning by the man who caught it.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/...195957358.html

    Is there anyone reading this post actually think that if he even remotely thought he had a rare mythical creature in his possession that he would have put it out of its misery?

    And before others start claiming how cruel he was to kill the raccoon . . . you try treating an animal with mange as bad as this coon had it. It would take months of daily baths and coating its body in medicinal ointments to get rid of the parasites it is ridden with. Doing this with a cat or dog is difficult enough . . . .try it with a wild animal.

    Seriously people and I mean seriously. . . . . if you can be fooled with something as obvious and simple as this I truly fear there is little to no hope for understanding what is happening around us at a increasingly rapid pace.

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    Default Re: Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    Have you ever heard of the Japanese raccoon dog before !?



    The Japanese raccoon dog (Nyctereutes procyonoides viverrinus), also known as tanuki (狸 or たぬき?) in Japanese, is a subspecies of the raccoon dog native to Japan.

    As the tanuki, the animal has been significant in Japanese folklore since ancient times. The legendary tanuki is reputed to be mischievous and jolly, a master of disguise and shapeshifting, but somewhat gullible and absentminded. It is also a common theme in Japanese art, especially statuary.

    "Tanuki" is often mistakenly translated into English as badger or raccoon (as used in the US version of the movie Pompoko, and outlined in Tom Robbins' book Villa Incognito), two unrelated types of animals with a superficially similar appearance. Traditionally, different areas of Japan had different names for raccoon dogs as animals, which would be used to denote different animals in other parts of the country, including badgers and wild cats; however the official word in the standard Tokyo dialect is now tanuki, a term that also carries the folkloric significance.

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    Having seen a number of pet raccoons of various ages, as well as seen them in the "wild" around town
    for years, I have zero doubts this is a raccoon with an extreme skin disorder.
    The way it acts and moves is a lot like what I see when I come upon one up against a fence or similar situation, where it feels cornered.
    (Not a situation one wants to pursue deliberately!)

    Animals look entirely different when their fur isn't all fluffed out, one reason why it is so funny to give
    fluffy cats and dogs a bath!

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    Default Re: Texas 'Chupacabra' Turns Out to Be Imposter...REALLY?

    Yesterday I fed a need for mindless entertainment with a couple hours of "Mountain Monsters." I've always tended to think that Bigfoot lives, and there might be a couple of black panthers loose in Britain, and okay sure, there might even be a few surviving pterodactyls in Arizona. But now we're asked to believe that the Appalachians are awash in cryptoids. The fearless rednecks tackled Mothman, the Lizard Demon, and the Kentucky Hellhound - all with a camera crew. Pretty amazing stuff, uh huh - along with the Montauk Monster(s), zombies and of course the chupacabra.

    I think that "Mountain Monsters" is a clever fake along the same lines as those mermaid "documentaries." I can think of several reasons the MSM could be leading people to believe that various myths are in fact true.

    The thing is, some myths are, in fact, true - we just don't quite get what these phenomena are. But somehow I doubt the chupe.

    You don't suppose some kind of portal has opened up....?
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    recently found in Mexico

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    I was very saddened to see (although not surprised) that this animal is in a tiny cage. Until humans can learn to respect the lives of other creatures we will stay as we are.
    So right - why is the poor thing in a cage he/she can barely turn around in? Will medical attantion be provided, & will he/she be released again? Animals are not THINGS, not IT. . . & certainly not property, least of all ours. There is this huge cognitive dissonance in humanity, some animals are "cute" & others are "food", but they are neither - they are their own beingness.

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