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    A magma chamber with enough material to fill the Grand Canyon 14 times over has been found beneath the Yellowstone supervolcano, researchers say. The finding yields insights into the "plumbing" system feeding the giant caldera.
    (Photo : Hsin-Hua Huang | University of Utah)
    http://www.techtimes.com/articles/48...stone-park.htm

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    ....and the water indicated in the surface conditions of this diagram are describing the Pacific Ocean, unless you can show me a large body of water between Yellowstone and the Pacific ocean. The scale on that diagram is completely distorted.
    I don't see any legend there indicating that blue layer being water, much less the Pacific Ocean.

    What I do see is a vertical scale and a horizontal scale given by the caldera diameter which topographical features are represented; but no Cascade Range relief being shown... so, maybe the scales aren't distorted that much?

    Quote It should be obvious,....
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    ^^^^

    Not so fast, Herve'....

    Go to this link, read the abstract, then study and read the description accompanying Figure 1.

    Then scroll-dawn to page 8 and study figure 4, and read the description.

    If you have the time read the entire PDF, you might learn something.

    With regard to the improved diagram you've provided from Tech Times, all you've proven is that the diagram is only a partial representation (a segment so-to-speak) of a much larger geological system.

    The data provided on the Science Direct PDF covers a much larger geological area, and should lead to a better understanding of the concept I've been attempting to deliver....

    Most of the information contained in the Science Direct PDF, contradicts much of what you've said throughout this debate.

    Note: for those interested members who are unfamiliar with the terminology found in the PDF, Ma = Million Years in geology-speak.
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    I've been aware there is more to the Yellowstone Plume Head controversy for some period of time. I recall reading an article more than a year ago describing how the hotspot causing the Yellowstone Caldera has its origins deep within the mantle, and how it's all integrated with the Costal Subduction Zone. Geological Models have been pointing to the "Yellowstone Hotspot Track", a footprint of evidence dating-back more than 16 million years, and beginning just East of the Cascade Range; all undisputable evidence that there is a much larger picture involved, as opposed to isolated studies of thumbnail segments to this geological system.

    Here's another link that's easier to understand, which duplicates the data in the link given in comment #47:
    https://seismo.berkeley.edu/annual_r...7/node154.html

    .... and another on the same topic:
    http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/40/5/479.full

    So, to recapitulate what I've been attempting to present, there's not much argument regarding any sort of "debate among geologists" when it comes to a thorough study of the data....
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    Observer, I appreciate your input to the discussion just as MorningSong does. Why did you unsubscribe? Your information is so valuable. And not only the information you give on this subject, but on many other subjects.

    It's important what you actually stated in your reply #10 and where this whole debate started.

    Quote I've said for a long time, if Yellowstone were going to erupt, as that eruption has been predicted from the geologic record of frequency, it would have to happen at a location East of the current caldera.
    It sounds logic to me : The plate is moving westwards, so the Hot Spot is moving to the East, as the crust moves over the Hot Spot....

    Can't you come back, observer?

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    Observer, I appreciate your input to the discussion just as MorningSong does. Why did you unsubscribe?
    Can't you come back, observer?
    Unsubscribed means banned by the moderators.
    Usually the moderators records this in the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS thread.
    I did not notice any guidelines breach here. But we do not have the full picture.
    This banning is most unusual and hope Bill will post a comment on this soon.

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    Update: now posted here.
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    Quote Posted by TeXaR (here)
    Observer, I appreciate your input to the discussion just as MorningSong does. Why did you unsubscribe?
    Can't you come back, observer?
    Unsubscribed means banned by the moderators.
    Usually the moderators records this in the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS thread.
    I did not notice any guidelines breach here. But we do not have the full picture.
    This banning is most unusual and hope Bill will post a comment on this soon.

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    Note from Bill: Thanks: you're ahead of us here! I'll make a 'formal' post in just a moment. Yes, there was a bigger picture. Please give me a few minutes and I'll say just a little more.

    Update: now posted here.
    As Hervé was participating on this thread as member and not as a moderator, I wonder if Bill is backing the right one here.
    Frustrating or provoking someone to eventually get a hostile reaction can be a cunning art ....

    From Bill: Yes, a cunning art it is. It depends who was doing the provoking! Hervé is a professionally qualified geophysicist, and I'm convinced observer had misunderstandings that he wasn't able to get past. At that point, the history of observer's earlier many personal frustrations kicked in.





    UPDATE from TeXaR

    Here happened the same, killing the thread this time.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post199139
    Last edited by TeXaR; 23rd April 2016 at 17:14.

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    It sounds logic to me : The plate is moving westwards, so the Hot Spot is moving to the East, as the crust moves over the Hot Spot....
    [...]
    The past relative motion between the two objects was never in dispute... my point, that seem to have never gotten across, is that there is no new evidence for a "new eastward migration of either plume or magma chambers" with respect to the crust.

    If you take a good look at your own statement, it implies both hot spot/plume are moving in opposite directions... that would make for a fast travel speed of the hot spot across the North American continent.

    An analogy would be like a passenger inside a train... the earth is rotating, the train is either stopped or moving and the passenger may be seated or walking inside that train. It all boils down to which frame of reference one arbitrarily pins down as "fixed": the walking passenger? The train's frame? Or the earth?

    Then, what if that passenger decides to walk from one side of the train to the other? Or, instead of walking toward the front of the train changes course and walks toward the back?... all the while the train leaves the station...

    All, we have from the data is: " no new migration of either plume or magma chambers" with respect to the ground surface.

    ... that's a seated passenger taken as the reference system, whether the train is moving or not
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    Hotspots are stationary and are sourced deep within the mantle. They are not produced by a subducting slab causing vulcanism. The geochemistry of magmas produced via subduction is different than those produced from mantle plumes, which indicates they have a different source.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by TeXaR (here)
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    It sounds logic to me : The plate is moving westwards, so the Hot Spot is moving to the East, as the crust moves over the Hot Spot....
    [...]
    The past relative motion between the two objects was never in dispute... my point, that seem to have never gotten across, is that there is no new evidence for a "new eastward migration of either plume or magma chambers" with respect to the crust.

    If you take a good look at your own statement, it implies both hot spot/plume are moving in opposite directions... that would make for a fast travel speed of the hot spot across the North American continent.

    An analogy would be like a passenger inside a train... the earth is rotating, the train is either stopped or moving and the passenger may be seated or walking inside that train. It all boils down to which frame of reference one arbitrarily pins down as "fixed": the walking passenger? The train's frame? Or the earth?

    Then, what if that passenger decides to walk from one side of the train to the other? Or, instead of walking toward the front of the train changes course and walks toward the back?... all the while the train leaves the station...

    All, we have from the data is: " no new migration of either plume or magma chambers" with respect to the ground surface.

    ... that's a seated passenger taken as the reference system, whether the train is moving or not

    Since I ended the sentence with "as the crust moves over the Hot Spot...", I pointed out that the inner Hot Spot (most likely) stays in place (indeed, seeker/reader). It just shows up as an eruption on the surface in another (more eastward) location, as the crust moves westwards.
    It has to make a new 'exit' to release the power and will appear on an other location than the former eruption.

    Unfortunately I can't copy and paste a pdf , but this link will lead you to an explanation of what I'm trying to say and what, I'm sure, observer wanted to say.
    But of course, you as a professionally qualified geophysicist, will know this. Then why all this 'hairsplitting'?

    https://books.google.nl/books?id=6Ql...page&q&f=false

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    Terrifying New Video Shows What Is Really Going on at Yellowstone
    Tuesday, April 26, 2016 22:23



    "Over that past month, our planet has been hit by large earthquake after large earthquake, and there are currently 40 volcanoes erupting and 44 on high alert. And now for the past week, there has been a dramatic spike in global seismic activity that is unlike anything we have seen in years, making what is going on incredibly alarming!

    I want to share with you some footage recorded on Thursday night from Yellowstone. Something strange you will notice is that it appears to be a bright day even though it is in the middle of the night, you will be able to see a plethora of geysers steaming violently, and Old faithful just keeps going over and over again."

    http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-ci...e-2535799.html

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    More fear porn? That is a known disinfo source.
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    Had you followed your own thread, you might have noticed said video was already posted and discussed starting from here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1061697
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    Just keep trying, justintime2learn.
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    Terrifying New Video Shows What Is Really Going on at Yellowstone
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    [...]
    Hi there,

    Had you followed your own thread, you might have noticed said video was already posted and discussed starting from here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1061697
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    In order to join Avalon you must be invited I was told upon entering.

    If this is true, I wonder why I was invited?

    Clarification from Bill: you applied online, and the mods accepted your application. That's what's meant by an 'invitation'.

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    I have a friend who lives near Yellowstone. She said nothing unusual is happening.
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    I have a friend who lives near Yellowstone. She said nothing unusual is happening.
    That's wonderful to hear because it looks like we have to take a trip to Colorado very soon. My mother was visiting my uncle and here is the update I just received . Update on Vicky. She's getting bathed right now. Broken sleep because of the checkups all night. Getting more sensation in hands and feet. Very weak. Can't hold anything. Raised platelets from 1,000 to 30,000 yesterday, back down to 7,000 this morning. Should be 100,000, can't do surgery under 50,000 because of bleeding. May have to remove spleen first.

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