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    Default The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

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    Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

    This thread is inspired by one of the recent 'disclosure prediction' threads that turned out to be yet another deliberate hoax.

    This is not a shot any any individual member here: but I strongly feel that Avalon members should have a responsibility NOT to forward fake or hokey predictions or 'channeled messages' - which is currently happening at a rate of one or more a week.

    We don't need this kind of nonsense in a climate of the times that could not be more serious. There ARE very critical things happening quietly in the world, and the real signals get lost in all the 'noise'.

    Be very sure that this is intended.

    Folks, I ask you: don't needlessly add to the noise.

    I always wanted Avalon to be about quality rather than quantity: for people to be able to come here quickly and find a digest of good information and intelligent discussion.

    To re-post any junk on YouTube or Facebook that catches our eye, thinking we're doing the members a service, might be a well-intended error of judgment. Please always use your intelligence and discrimination.

    I'm no friend or fan of ATS, but the mods there immediately deleted a thread about the recent "The Agency" 'prediction' of a 'radioactive satellite' over Munich on 20 October, that was really a forecast comet - not only because it was clearly false, but because the writer urged that it must 'go viral'.

    They were quite correct to censor this cheap nonsense and stop it in its tracks. Our collective alternative knowledge base is being deliberately infected by information of zero or negative value in the same way as our computers (or bodies!) can become infected with viruses.

    The presence of the zero-value add-ons decreases our capacity to function optimally. In this case, we're rendered less able to evaluate authentic information. This is one reason why I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to hoaxes, hoaxers and other forms of knowledge devaluation, and have made some of the decisions I've made in the last year.

    This is not in any way 'censoring the truth movement': the real truth is far more incredible and unbelievable than any fiction.

    I want to make the real truth easier to see by flitering out the distractions - some of which are deliberate, and some of which are just naive.

    In 2005-6 I was closely involved in the 'Serpo story'. It was a really valuable experience. Much of that was nonsense (and it got more and more ridiculous as the 'disclosure' was sabotaged from inside): but some was certainly true. It was worth discussing at first until it just became way too crazy and was eventually completely derailed. By that time I had abandoned it.

    That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

    So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

    They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

    Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

    Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

    My best wishes to all - Bill

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Well said Bill im with you on this

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Yes point taken Bill.

    Although we do have quite a few sleepy heads on 'facebook' I do get messaged by a few whom I have woken up!! The majority think I'm loopy!! ha ha

    So anyway, I find it a good way to make this type of connection for getting folk out of the 'slumber' , so to speak.

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Exaxtly the reason why I have moved on to another place on the net...

    Thx for posting this Bill

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    not in short supply to the Chinese anyway lol ( they control around 97% of its production )

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Thank you Bill.

    Perhaps a short list of topics that you feel we should keep our eyes on , might help.

    There are so many, as has been said... what ball do we keep our eye on?

    What do you believe requires more research?

    You have dozens of people here willing to reasearch any topic..

    but with all the noise..

    maybe we just need to be pointed in the right direction?

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Ahh a nice deep breath of fresh air.

    Good Advise Bill, Its good to see you have been in the research business long enough to have the memory to spot the "Oh please not again, gimmie a break" stories that float up repeatedly and grow over time, just to take a break for a few months or years only to be reborn with different names/dates/places & cast of characters.

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    Quote Posted by Celine (here)
    Thank you Bill.

    Perhaps a short list of topics that you feel we should keep our eyes on , might help.

    There are so many, as has been said... what ball do we keep our eye on?

    What do you believe requires more research?

    You have dozens of people here willing to reasearch any topic..

    but with all the noise..

    maybe we just need to be pointed in the right direction?
    I've always wondered the same thing-- if someone where to start ANYWHERE when first "awakening", where should that be and why?

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Thank you, Bill.
    For the Avalon Forum, and this accurate reminder.
    The noise on the content side of the forum is not the reason for this reply,
    but I could add the advantage of people searching the forum for previous
    entries of the material they are starting new threads on, or posting.
    There is quite a lot on the forum allready, and now with thousands of
    participants it grows fast, and double and triple postings of the same,
    or similar "things" is better kept at a minimum. Sometimes it's a point.
    Posts can be moved, and threads can be merged, I know, but the more
    disiplined and educated we are on the use of Avalon Forum the better,
    not least for the moderators and administrators. Thank you all.

    - On the technical side:
    The forum seems to be a work in progress, that is nice, and design and
    features develop over time. Example is the stars that came and went, ok.
    I like it better like it is now. Simple, easy and selfexplainatory is better.
    ( the star-thing did actualy create some noise if I remember correct ..)
    - Gonna use the searchfunction now to see if I find back the post/thread.
    No, don't find it back by searching for "star" or "stars", but found this:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...th-Star-Elders.
    this
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...star-Superwave
    and this
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ighlight=stars

    The point being the usefulness of the search-engine.
    A random-button would be nice there, maybe with some keywords, date etc. from all the forum archive.
    Press it, and something interesting from the past pops up. Nice.

    I visited this thread today:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tions-to-forum
    Two words about the new Thank You function. At first I disliked it (keep it simple, and real), but
    have come to appreciate that kind of button. A suggestion, if possible, isto add the possibility to
    include a few words with the thank-you entry, - there is many reasons why a post is useful.
    There is now a date ( oct 29. 2010 f.ex ) included with name in thankyou-log under posts.
    - Could the same 15-20 characters be used for something else ?

    Sorry for bringing all this tech-stuff up here. Hope it is relevant to the ratio between constructive use and noise.
    And the above mentioned thread (New-Modifications-to-forum) is not open to general discussion, very well
    understandable. It is for important information to us, to use this forum as smooth and efficient as possible.

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Hello BILL,
    AWESOME - Glad to see those points raised.
    - Believe in QUALITY not QUANTITY
    - Not here to improve upon my POSTING figures (so shall remain a Junior), proud of it.
    There are far TOO MANY - KEYBOARD WARRIORS that can input information/ opinion (mostly hear/say) and still remain anonymous.
    Reading from the same page - Bill...I would like to add my GBP2 worth by saying, "It's about the NUMBERS".
    I rarely contribute to forums, this being my third time. I feel strongly drawn to - 'Watching the numbers', as they don't add up.
    WHAT ARE NUMBERS GOOD FOR?
    They get used, abused, manipulated, etc etc...follow the BANKS, follow the FT, look at GOLD at the end of 2008 it was $755 an ounce,
    now (October 2010) is - $1300 an ounce....so it's going to be a slow transition. If you want the money then begin with small numbers,
    then another small deduction, then another - until they get greedy....you don't take a truck load (well...you can), but somebody I hope
    would pick-up the accounting error quite quickly.
    ITS ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THEM MOST.
    Please stay true to the spirit of this forum,
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    It is not allways easy for all to know if the interesting things
    they find and post are allready known as hoaxes or fiction.
    Maybe someone in the know could make a little list of the
    " usual suspects " and post it here to inform us all.
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    Why would anyone want to be "pointed in the right direction"??!! We need to stay grounded in our own intelligence and intuitive abilities to winnow the wheat from the chaff.................................thanks Bill for what you have said, and to others for what they contribute. Lacking clear leadership we must build our internal strengths and self-reliance.................we must report back to Headquarters (our highest selves) on a regular basis and then make informed decisions in the clearest manner possible. We must not lose faith in ourselves........

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    Yes point taken Bill.

    Although we do have quite a few sleepy heads on 'facebook' I do get messaged by a few whom I have woken up!! The majority think I'm loopy!! ha ha

    So anyway, I find it a good way to make this type of connection for getting folk out of the 'slumber' , so to speak.

    viking
    Most of my friends don't even comment. My posts must be blocked from their walls.

    Bill has a wonderful point though. I'm sick of reading prediction threads. From now on, I predict sunny skies ahead and that's a prediction that you can almost bank on!

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    You can choose a very simple answer to this.

    BE the change. In the whole Universe, the only 'thing' you have most control over is you.

    And do it so well with so much obvious enjoyment and inner peace so it makes those around you go

    Quote "I'll have what s/he's having".
    And to those of Avalon that aren't ready, and produce so much noise, treat them as children: with a huge amount of tolerance. They just need time.

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    OK and this is merely from my personal point of view, here is my list of suspect topics and 'informational' sources that one minimally should take with at least several grains of sea-salt if not a few tablets of tylenol:

    Individuals:

    David Wilcock
    Andrew Basagio
    Bill Deagle (sorry Bill)
    Benjamin Fulford
    Dan Burisch
    Jordan Maxwell
    Alex Jones
    Malchidezek Drunvalo
    Channelers of all stripes
    Art Bell
    Billy Meier
    Alex Collier

    Information that should be reviewed with extreme skepticism and caution:

    The Works of Zachariah Sitchin
    Works of Channelers of All Stripes
    The Course in Miracles
    Translations or interpretations of ancient texts by those other than scholars conversant in the language and texts

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    My comments on some of those are inserted:

    Quote Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
    OK and this is merely from my personal point of view, here is my list of suspect topics and 'informational' sources that one minimally should take with at least several grains of sea-salt if not a few tablets of tylenol:

    Individuals:

    David Wilcock <-- excellent researcher and aggregator, but astoundingly immature
    Bill Deagle (sorry Bill) <-- if there is something genuine, it can't be picked from the diatribe
    Dan Burisch <-- complete frauds - direct and multiple experiences
    Art Bell <-- (wot? he's just an announcer, let's not go too far)

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    Quote Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
    Lacking clear leadership we must build our internal strengths and self-reliance.................we must report back to Headquarters (our highest selves) on a regular basis and then make informed decisions in the clearest manner possible. We must not lose faith in ourselves........
    IMHO we are all Leaders..here to gather info so we can carry it to our immediate world.

    Quote Posted by perfectresonance (here)

    BE the change. In the whole Universe, the only 'thing' you have most control over is you.
    Be the change you wish to see in the world.. ~Gandhi

    Great words ..he was full of them! But he also lived his words and shared them. Thats what we are here for IMO

    Quote Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
    OK and this is merely from my personal point of view,
    Each and everyone of your views is valuable. Each bring a perspective that whether you agree or not, teaches each one of us something.


    The quality of Avalon is you.


    Avalon, the Mythical island that held the truths. Priestesses trained to learn the truths, applications and wisdom and then to part the mists and go and share the truths with all.

    That is the quality of Avalon, mythical or practical.

    Libraries of information are VERY important to our futur world.


    Truth is fragile yet powerful

    Protect it, so we can change the world.


    In trust with love,
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    Hi Bill,

    I understand and agree with what you are saying, I would like to say that Bill, I have said I respect your opinion and I do, but I would like to perhaps remind you that maybe when you were younger or before you went through the ‘SERPO’ information you might have been open to a lot more, now you have been led down various paths and got to see aspects that were not so black and white, then as they might be now.

    My point is you have enormous experience and learned from your experiences, not everybody does that and not everybody is at the same level of thinking as yourself, and I think you have got to remember that, and I am not saying that Bill is better than anybody here, but his mind attacks issues with a different and practical way of thinking, and I think forgets that whilst awake some of us are we still fall victim to the initial programming that we were all once apart of so we see a story on the news and immediately spread it instead of investigate it or try to look at other aspects around this area and come up with a logical and probable conclusion.

    And I am not saying everybody it does that, but it is easy to fall victim to that trap, were here to learn and we all have different experiences, I remember a discussion between two men upon viewing a avalanche at MT Rainier, and one man said that it was the most horrifying act of natures power he had ever seen, whilst his companion said that he said it was an awesome display and exhilarating being so close to it. So we all have our perspectives. Just as long as Bill is saying they are not just noise and clatter.

    Everybody who knows me knows that I have a huge problem with people predicting natural disasters events, or anything like that because we have spread fear through this, and in my mind it’s like a perpetuation of the devil and hell, if we don’t repent we will die and go to hell and these stories spread and cause genuine fear. And I for one know the real DANGER of spreading information, because sometimes best intentions are not the best way course of action and I think especially in Avalon people need to sit down and think about what they post, because every other month we have a channeled apocalypse of sorts and I thank Bill for this post because the negative aspects are what made me stop posting for a good while here in Avalon.

    I think were looking for practical problems here and I’ll give an example : Full body X-ray machines, at airports I asked a source at the university of Michigan who is very worried by this, if you have a very large person and you put them in this machine you can still see through then with the power of this X-Ray machines, now rule of thumb is you change the amount of radiation per amount of body fat / density right? Well this machine seems to have a standard and this “Could” be a massive sterilization process to halt the ever expanding society, because I have never met a TSA worker that was also a radiologist. This can be harmful for Pregnant women, and I don’t recall them putting a lead coat over the family jewels in this machine and that’s why it looks like sterilization and I think this is a big topic and one that seriously needs addressing.

    ,Ahkenaten I remember your little attack on me in the “confusion Reigns” thread a while back, and twisting my screen name. I have no issue with you and am not bothered I do ask that you be civil this time around please Thank you.

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    Hi Bill, I am truly impressed with the quality of postings and true contributions... not noise! Such an amazing gathering of aware folks here. Everlight

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    My suggestion to newcomers:

    research the money and formation/establishment of government in relation to money. It's one big area that affects everyone, is very factual, cannot be debunked, and can be discussed with other people without being branded as a "crazy". It's also the basis of the whole control system and IMO if you understand how the money/power system really works, it provides a very easy intro to understanding the hows and whys of everything else in this twisted world.

    --sjkted

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