TWA 800 - what really happened (exactly)

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All: the following EXCELLENT report was published by Wayne Madsen in July, but was at that time available to his subscribers only. It's now starting to circulate by e-mail, and has been re-posted on a couple of blogs (here is one). It most certainly belongs here.

Read with great interest. I am in no doubt at all that this is the entire story. Case closed, and Bravo.

July 28-29, 2014 — USS Seawolf missile shot down TWA 800
By Wayne Madsen

According to a senior member of the staff of then-Secretary of the Navy John Dalton, the test firing of a new generation Navy missile from the submarine USS Seawolf accidentally struck TWA flight 800 en route from New York to Paris on July 17, 1996. According to the former Navy official, the missile test was so important for the Clinton administration, it was being shown live on a Navy closed-circuit television feed at the White House. The Seawolf's missile was to have struck a drone reportedly being towed by a Navy P-3 Orion maritime surveillance aircraft. However, to the horror of the Navy personnel involved with the test and senior White House staff gathered to witness the missile's successful launching, it veered off course and intercepted the TWA 800 Boeing 747, killing the 230 passengers and crew on board the aircraft.

ABC News Paris correspondent and former John F. Kennedy Press Secretary and U.S. Senator Pierre Salinger reported that a U.S. Navy missile, according to his sources, had downed TWA 800. A vicious smear campaign was launched against Salinger and he was eventually fired by ABC. This editor subsequently spoke at length with Salinger about both TWA 800 and Pan Am 103. We agreed that the investigations of both involved U.S. government cover-ups.

The Seawolf, which had recently completed sea trials but had not yet been fully commissioned into service, was participating in a major Navy exercise off Long Island in exercise area W-105. The exercise was dubbed GLOBAL YANKEE '96. Ironically, the Seawolf was to be commissioned in Groton, Connecticut on July 17, 1997, the anniversary of the shooting down of TWA 800, but the Navy, sensitive to the date, altered the commissioning to July 19, two days later. Margaret Dalton, the wife of Navy Secretary John Dalton, carried out the submarine's commissioning sponsorship in Groton.

The FBI initially believed that terrorism was the cause of the crash of TWA 800 and it ran a criminal investigation parallel to that of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). However, as the need to cover-up the missile angle became paramount, the FBI changed modes and began harassing witnesses who clearly saw a bright streak or arc in the sky moments before the massive explosion tore apart the Boeing 747 sending bodies and debris into the Atlantic Ocean. Two Air National Guard Blackhawk helicopter pilots saw an orange-red streak prior to the fireball while conducting helicopter training approaches at nearby Gabreski Field.

But the missile theory never could be put to rest. Senator Alphonse d'Amato (R-NY) said he believed a missile struck TWA 800, as did a number of individuals with military and flight experience. D'Amato served on the President's Commission on Aviation Security and Terrorism (PCAST), which was set up in September 1989 to make aviation security recommendations after the bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. In 1993, D'Amato opposed funding any more Seawolf submarines, however, as they were built by the Groton, Connecticut-based Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics, the two Connecticut senators, Joseph Lieberman and Christopher Dodd, were strong proponents of the submarines the Navy said they did not even need in the post-Cold War era.

The unfolding events surrounding the Seawolf's missile impact on TWA 800 was witnessed in real-time in the White House Situation Room by startled officials who were viewing what was suppose have been a successful intercept of a drone. However, according to our Secretary of the Navy senior staff source, as the impact of what transpired dawned on White House officials, the director of the White House Situation Room, Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, immediately ordered the mobilization of Navy and other military assets to cover up the Navy's role in the disaster. As the National Security Council's director of Systems and Planning, Cosgriff was partly responsible for obtaining the White House Situation Room to show-off the Navy's latest missile capabilities to gathered civilian and military officials.

The crew of the P-3 that was towing the drone was immediately transferred to new assignments. The P-3's number 3 engine showed signs of damage from the explosion of TWA 800 and maintenance records on the engine were suppressed by the Navy. Three other submarines participating in GLOBAL YANKEE '96 were also ordered out of the area. They were the USS Albuquerque, the USS Augusta, and the USS Trepang. The FBI accounted for all missiles aboard the three submarines but not those on board the Seawolf, which was not yet officially commissioned into service and which had just completed it sea trials a little over a week earlier.

Our source confirmed that US Navy SEAL team members were dispatched to recover TWA 800 wreckage with the sole intent being the alteration of the debris to fit the story of a defective fuel tank explosion. Two U.S. Navy salvage ships, the USS Grasp and USS Grapple, were sent to Long Island waters to recover TWA wreckage.

In 2000, conservative pundit Reed Irvine confirmed what Salinger had reported four years earlier. Irvine reported that he recorded an interview with a Navy petty officer who was on the deck of a submarine near where TWA 800 was hit by the missile. The petty officer told Irvine that he was "underneath TWA 800 when he saw a missile hit it and the 747 explode overhead."

Irvine also wrote, "There are hundreds of Navy and Coast Guard personnel, as well as some FBI, CIA, FAA, NTSB and former White House employees who know that the real cause of the crash of TWA 800 was papered over with a tissue of lies. Two of them, James Kallstrom and George Stephanopoulos, have made statements that indicate an official cover-up. Stephanopoulos, a Clinton adviser who is now an ABC News correspondent, mentioned on the air a secret meeting in the White House situation room 'in the aftermath of the TWA 800 bombing.' Kallstrom, who headed the FBI's TWA 800 investigation, told me – and I have this on tape – that three radar targets close to the crash site were Navy vessels on a classified maneuver. We know they were submarines because the radar tracks disappeared when TWA 800 crashed."

One of the submarine's that was ordered to immediately leave the area of the TWA crash was the Seawolf. The Seawolf was testing a missile that could be fired on an enemy aircraft while the submarine was fully submerged.

The Navy ordered all radar data of the incident seized. The Navy and other U.S. agencies subsequently altered data tapes to be consistent with the NTSB's contrived conclusion that TWA 800 was brought down by a spontaneous explosion in the center wing fuel tank. Radar tapes showing the P-3 at 20,000 feet and a towed drone at 17,600 feet at about a mile behind the P-3 were erased.

The CIA developed an animation to bolster the center wing fuel tank explosion explanation.

The Seawolf's Cooperative Engagement Capability, which linked its weapon systems with the Aegis radar systems installed on other Navy ships participating in the exercise, also saw its data purged. Once the subsurface missile was launched, the Seawolf's combat software no longer had control over the missile.

The Navy's Aegis training platform, the Combat System Engineering Development Site (CSEDS), located in the middle of a cornfield in Moorestown, New Jersey, off of the New Jersey Turnpike, which had a AEGIS SPY-1 radar window off Long Island, also saw its data tapes confiscated as did the Federal Aviation Administration control center in Islip, Long Island and the FAA technical center in Atlantic City, New Jersey. A Lockheed-Martin engineer who worked at CSEDS in Moorestown said the SPY-1 radar was reported to be "down for maintenance" during the exercise, an exercise in which it was to have been a participant.

The NTSB falsified data in their cover-up, billed as an investigation. The Flight Data Recorder's indication that something struck the Boeing 747 was brushed aside.

Hank Hughes, a former senior NTSB accident investigator, revealed in 2013 that evidence that a "high-velocity debris exiting the right side of the aircraft." Hughes said evidence was tampered with. Other NTSB investigators joined Hughes in criticizing the NTSB's "accident" report. Testing done by the Brookhaven and Sandia National Laboratories could yield no evidence that TWA 800 was brought down as the result of a mechanical failure.

Researchers were able to piece together the following timeline of events from open source information:

• 20:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.
• 20:31:12 U.S. Navy subsurface-launched missile impacts TWA 800 at 13,800 feet. Beginning of decapitation process.
• 20:31:47 Massive fireball explodes in the falling wreckage at 7500 feet.
• 20:31:43 Wreckage begins hitting the water's surface.
• 20:31:55-20:31:57 splashdown of the massive fireball flames.

A number of observers witnessed a subsurface wake after the explosion of TWA 800. The Seawolf, if ordered out of the area at maximum speed, is capable of doing over 35 knots submerged. At such a speed, a visible surface wake is very possible. The pilot of a Cessna reported seeing a distinct subsurface wake in addition to a passenger on board US Air flight 277.

The Navy continues to classify a "design deficiency" discovered during the Seawolf's Weapons Systems Accuracy Trials (WSAT) conducted in 1998. In addition, the November 1999 Operational Assessment report cited six critical operational issues as high risk for Seawolf. The second issue on the Navy's list was the submarine's "weapon launch, handling, and stowage."

President and Mrs. Clinton were attending a Democratic National Committee function at the Sheraton Washington Hotel, just a few blocks from the White House, as the Seawolf's missile impacted with TWA 800. Rather than deal with the event in the White House Situation Room, the president and the first lady decided to retire to the private quarters of the White House and not issue any immediate comment on the tragedy. Hillary Clinton has all but announced her desire to run for president in 2016. The families of those who lost loved ones on TWA 800 may not be all that enthused about Mrs. Clinton's ever-expanding diary of secrets.

[DeDukshyn]

Excellent write up.

I am wondering about the "design deficiency" though ... I smell something a tad more sinister than "accident"; I feel there is even more to this story yet ...
My 2 cents

[araucaria]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Excellent write up.

I am wondering about the "design deficiency" though ... I smell something a tad more sinister than "accident"; I feel there is even more to this story yet ...
My 2 cents

I'm thinking the same thing - the missile that got away, new sub, no questions asked. Was anyone interesting on board that plane whose early demise might have been useful to someone? Passenger list here:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Excellent write up.

I am wondering about the "design deficiency" though ... I smell something a tad more sinister than "accident"; I feel there is even more to this story yet ...
My 2 cents

I'm thinking the same thing - the missile that got away, new sub, no questions asked. Was anyone interesting on board that plane whose early demise might have been useful to someone? Passenger list here:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php

It may have been a simple "demonstration" by those who have the ability to manipulate things at any level and in any way they wish - even within any country's military. If this were the case it indeed would one ultimate demonstration, especially if the only way to tell the story, would be "accidental missile launch" and then cover that up with "airplane malfunction".

I might be fantasizing it a little, and it may well "just have been an accident", l but my spidey sense tingles on this one. I am seeing a message sent ...

Just a thought ... Makes me think about flight MH370 as well in a similar light ...

[cursichella1]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Excellent write up.

I am wondering about the "design deficiency" though ... I smell something a tad more sinister than "accident"; I feel there is even more to this story yet ...
My 2 cents

I'm thinking the same thing - the missile that got away, new sub, no questions asked. Was anyone interesting on board that plane whose early demise might have been useful to someone? Passenger list here:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.php

Great post. Minor vindication for Pierre Salinger...awful what they did to him. Awful for victims families, witnesses, all...

Whatreallyhappened's list is interesting...wow.

OK, here's the passenger list from the Washington Post for anyone that may doubt the veracity of whatreallyhappened's list, not that the WP is beyond reproach...

TWA 800

[Hervé]

Hmmm... why not both places?

I mean: both on flight TWA-800 AND "The unfolding events surrounding the Seawolf's missile impact on TWA 800 was witnessed in real-time in the White House Situation Room by startled officials who were viewing what was suppose have been a successful intercept of a drone." for threats purposes... you know the kind that keeps tongues tied...

Too bad I don't recall the link to an article describing that scenario of the missile switching target in mid flight and why... arghhh!

[ghostrider]

supposedly a spy was on board with stolen secrets , the navy shot it down ... the event was watched by the plejaren ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...act_Report_258

[wnlight]

I knew it was a cover-up from the get go. Heard the reports, including about the Seawolf. Know our governments capabilities to lie. Do not know if it was an accident or purposeful killing.

[araucaria]

Whittling down the passenger list brings up a few biologists/pharma executives, financiers, and also a bunch of off-duty TWA flight personnel. Last but possibly not least, from Clinton country, “Gray, Charles H. III, 47, president and chief operating officer of Midland Financial Group, Inc., of Little Rock, Ark.”

Beatty, Charles, 50, senior systems engineer with the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Dahlgren, Va.; of Spotsylvania, Va.
Brooks, Edwin, 81, former executive vice president of Taco Industries, of Edgartown, Mass. (married to Ruth Brooks)
Foster, Rod, 61, corporate pilot for Dassault Falcon Jet Co., of Sherman, Conn.
Gray, Charles H. III, 47, president and chief operating officer of Midland Financial Group, Inc., of Little Rock, Ark.
Grivet, Cyril, senior lab technician at Carnegie Institution lab at Stanford University, Stanford, Calif.
Hill, Susan, police detective in Portland, Ore.
Loo, Patricia, 55, retired researcher for the pharmacological firm Ciba-Geigy, of Springfield, N.J.
Lychner, Katherine, 8, of Houston (daughter of Pam Lychner)
* Lychner, Pamela, 37, prominent Texas crime victims rights advocate, of Houston (mother of Shannon and Katie Lychner).
* Lychner, Shannon, 10, of Houston (daughter of Pam Lychner)
Merieux, Rudolphe, son of the president of the pharmaceutical company Merieux Laboratories in Lyons, France (his father was not on the plane)
Notes, Gadi, 29, senior associate at investment banking division of Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette, Inc., Israeli citizen; New York.
Unnamed passenger flying with Elsie Ostachiewicz
Rhein, Kirk (Clyde) Jr. , 43, president and chief executive of the Danielson Holding Corp., an New York insurance company, and a partner in the New York investment firm Whitman, Heffernan, Rhein & Co., of Darien, Conn.
Scott, Michael, 44, physicist, of Stevenson, Ala. (married to Barbara Scott)
Story, William R. , president and chief executive officer of National American Insurance Co. of California.
Wolters, Bonnie, 44, of New York City, a bond trader engaged to be married to a judge who was not on the flight but had planned to join her in France next week.
Yee, Judith, 53, former personnel executive with Bristol-Myers Corp., of New York City [biopharma]

Altogether, quite a talented bunch of people, also including

Yvon Lamour, professeur de physiologie et chef du service Neurologie Fonctionnelle à l'hôpital Lariboisière, Paris. Il travaillait sur la maladie d'Alzheimer. Auteur de L’Âge de déraison (Paris : Plon, 1990)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol_800_TWA
http://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/08_27_96/obits.htm

This French wikipedia article also explains how the plane was over an hour late after one passenger whose baggage had been loaded almost failed to turn up. Perhaps this was the “Unnamed passenger” – and how unusual is it to find an Unnamed passenger on a manifest anyway?

L'arrêt à JFK dura 3h50, plus longtemps que prévu. Son départ pour Paris Charles de Gaulle était prévu vers 19h00 mais il prit du retard sur son horaire à la suite du problème d'un équipement au sol et au fait qu'un passager avait enregistré ses bagages (qui étaient donc dans la soute) mais n'était monté à bord1. Après l'annonce de l'embarquement du passager, l'avion quitta la porte d'embarquement à 20h022 et décolle à 20h19

One more point: I read somewhere that several pilots had reported sightings of missiles in the area at other times. In other words, you have a missile test launching site smack in the flight path of a major international airport – how smart is that? I know, civilian aircraft are supposed to be out of range (we heard that again in Ukraine), but isn’t one of the features of new weaponry the ability to increase their range? ‘Accidents’ waiting to happen…

[wnlight]

My dowsing says: Gross criminal negligence. I remember Pamela Lychner ,as we were living in Houston at the time. My younger son was a TWA pilot then - mostly flying '47 jets to the Islands. That strike plus another crash soon after spelled the end of TWA. It took my son 18 years in the minor leagues to get back into the cockpit of a large plane - now with American Airlines.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's a breaking update from American Thinker on what happened to Flight TWA 800.

In the article TWA 800: Breaking -- Air Traffic Controller Tells All, Jack Cashill, who has been exposing many topics, including TWA 800 (see here), for at least some 15 years at least, writes:

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As I hoped would happen, American Thinker’s series on TWA Flight 800 has prompted individuals with first hand knowledge to come forward. “Mark Johnson” is one. An air traffic controller (ATC), he worked the night of July 17, 1996 -- the night TWA Flight 800 was destroyed -- at the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) located in Westbury, New York.

Johnson has provided me with his real name, and I have confirmed that he was in a position to know what he says he knows. He requested that I use an alias because he has children who depend on him. The federal government, he believes, “will seek revenge, retribution and/or any other remedy they feel like. I would be fearful my pension would be at risk.” I have heard this sentiment voiced by many people involved in this incident.

Although Johnson was not responsible for tracking TWA Flight 800, he spoke directly with the ATC who did. In fact, he asked him “plenty of questions to prepare myself for the ‘suits’ who were beginning to arrive.” Along with several other ATCs, he viewed the radar tape of the incident. According to Johnson, “A primary radar return (ASR-9) indicated vertical movement intersecting TWA 800.”

An advanced radar system, the Northrop Grumman ASR-9 is able to detect a “target” in severe clutter even when the target has no transponder. The absence of a transponder is what distinguishes a “primary radar return” from a “secondary” one. In others words, the radar picked up a small, unidentified, ascending object intersecting TWA 800 in the second before the 747 “disappeared from radar.”

After Johnson and his supervisor watched the video tape replay with audio, they turned to each other and said in unison, “What the f***!" Asked by his supervisor if he had ever seen anything like this before, Johnson said yes -- while in the Navy days doing missile test fires at sea.

A day later, now knowing the full scope of the tragedy, Johnson asked if he could take another look at the radar tape. “Can’t, it’s gone,” said his supervisor. “We had better say nothing,” said Johnson, “or the f***ing government will make us disappear.” The supervisor agreed.

I asked Johnson what he and his colleagues thought in the days and weeks to follow. He answered in one word, “cover-up.” As he explained, in incidents involving fatalities, the FAA demands that the tapes be preserved as evidence of fault or no fault. “So -- no tape, no fault. What a sham!”

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About a month after the TWA 800 disaster, retired United Airline pilot and accident investigator Dick Russell received a phone call from Holtsclaw. Russell wrote down what Holtsclaw had to tell him verbatim, the gist of which was that “TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a U.S. Navy guided missile ship which was in area W-105. It has been a cover-up from the word go.”

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There is quite a bit more in this article: TWA 800: Breaking -- Air Traffic Controller Tells All

Also, Jack Cashill does have a new book coming out next month: TWA 800: The Crash, the Cover-Up, and the Conspiracy.

[BMJ]

Navy Sailor: The US Navy Shot Down TWA 800: Naval Servicemen Threatened, Ordered To Delete Records

Stew Peters Network
21 July 2022

Do people WANT us to forget about flight TWA 800?

William Teele joins to talk about what REALLY happened to flight 800 that left 230 souls perished. He believes that OUR military shot down the plane with a missile, & have been trying to cover it up for YEARS.

Why does he believe it? Because he was THERE when it happened.

The mystery is growing more popular and the questions are significantly growing!


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1aiy7z