Covert Transhumanism

[Omni]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)

Listen, YOUR Skepticism is noted and Respected... I am not going to try ot convince you otherwise.

My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

These AI's are even now having a very effective "Trickster God" affect on some humans currently... Obviously.

The early secret government types had less than we do now to work with as far as awareness and consciousness in dealing with all the beings that were approaching them all in a short time span.

Serious mistakes were made that we are paying for to this day. Whether an individual on an Internet Forum believes it or not does not change the outcome of those mistakes. It IS what it IS... "Believe it or not"...

Message delivered... Mission complete,

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
[B][COLOR="indigo"]It is absolutely not true that all of the ET/ED Groups that the SSP(s) are working with and are aware of are "Using AI in all of their technologies".

I'm not sure who you are quoting there. Safe to say all extraterrestrials who travel interstellar in ships use AI for many things. And have AI that can speak telepathically as well.

I can see where some of their/our extremely advanced technology can be confused as AI as some of it is actually living Bio-Electric "Circuitry of sorts". Just not "Self Aware"/"Conscious"...

Using technology that is an extension of our/their bodies/consciousness... Like a Prosthetic Enterface makes the "User ONE" with the technology, AKA Ship/Life Support Systems and Suits and Defence Grids etc....

Anyone who has such systems has AI, surely. And aren't the SSP ships flown by AI, or a Telepathic User Interface(what I call what you are speaking of, I have experienced it in ways).

Being one with technology is basically transhumanism. There are many forms of it I have experienced.

The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome.

Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of any race tricking the US government. There are two major polarities of ETs. All it would take is telepathic contact from a benevolent elder race to clear things up and it wouldn't work. I tend to think the US government has always been complicit, due to wanting to gain more "power". From what I've heard about the US government, they betrayed humanity in numerous ways(the leaders of America). I think them being tricked relieves them of any wrong doing...

I'm open minded still on this issue though. So I see what you say as possible too. It's possible some ETs fooled the US government. But from what I understand in the world of exopolitics ETs generally abide by their agreements(at least amongst themselves and official agreements).

It is my experiences that the ones doing most of the 'trickster god' stuff is actually the US government. I doubt you would have access to that info as it's all highly compartmentalized. Unless you were part of the psy ops divisions as well....

My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

So you have witnessed these things:

"There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) has been "Combating" for decates."

Please do explain how SSP have ever combated anything... Especially by your own eyewitness accounts...

"The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome."

You actually witnessed this? ^^ I'd be most interested in hearing what you witnessed in this regard. Seems to me they knew what they were doing when they betrayed humanity... I highly doubt they would openly discuss that in the military though...

Serious mistakes were made that we are paying for to this day. Whether an individual on an Internet Forum believes it or not does not change the outcome of those mistakes. It IS what it IS... "Believe it or not"...

You seem to believe everything they told you. Do you think the US government wouldn't lie to even it's own people? Very possible they have disinformation even set up for insiders... You seem to think whatever you say is the absolute truth and intend to downplay my posts underneath yours. I didn't like that part of your posts. However I am interested in SSPs. Mostly I am curious how they have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

[GoodETxSG]

AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

[Omni]

You wont answer this question?

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

You are saying factions of the US government have combated negative ETs and in effect the own agenda of the united states military industrial complex.... I could see how something like a few pilots disagree with what the US government does. If that is what you are saying. However combating 'the agenda' is something I don't think is happening by SSPs. I'd like to hear more about it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.

[Jake]

You guys,, I am on the edge of mee seat... I know that there may be some needs to split hairs, but seeing you guys being respectful in the face of this is encouraging..

Omni, you said that AI- always has a master... That is a powerful statement that rings true, but I DO wonder... Also, when an Avatar/Doll body is being controlled from 'afar',,, there DOES seem to be consciousness in them, albeit dark, very dark... Even some Craft (ET, AI??) seem to have consciousness. I am picturing the craft being controlled by a 'guy in a loungechair' too... (or an ET in one somewhere..) What is the direct purpose of AI, other than to do advanced 'thinking' and 'monitering'?? Aren't there advanced sentient groups that are beyond the capabilities of AI-tech??

This is all very tough stuff to tackle.. Somewhat overdue, but tough... I look forward to more.. You guys rock....

Jake.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.

It's possible . Similar scenario to what could also happen here in the worst case if things went out of hand ( NO, it won't and there are reasons .. ) but there's been cases where planetary environment or more , parts of solar system happened to be destroyed by progressive climatic changes PLUS careless exploitation of the environment,
resulting in severe disbalance and in response to it, the last step before doom was attempt to create super-powerful AI to handle the situation - either one that would fix the environment or evacuate remaining species .

When this is done in chaos and under great stress ( for example, in danger of planetary collapse ) there's not enough time to avoid errors in the system ,
however .. the AI can be powered to function for millions years ahead ..since the first n last thing they have to solve is how is it going to be 'fuelled' .

If the situation still results in collapse , few people are saved but they may not have great chance for survival, in future generations or may evolve differently and what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

I'm not saying there are many such but it's not impossible option and even if not any soon mankind too may come one day on such evolutionary crossroad where some will feel pushed to develop all-controlling AI , the circumstance is not easy to predict at the moment.

[Omni]

Posted by Jake (here)
You guys,, I am on the edge of mee seat... I know that there may be some needs to split hairs, but seeing you guys being respectful in the face of this is encouraging..

Omni, you said that AI- always has a master... That is a powerful statement that rings true, but I DO wonder... Also, when an Avatar/Doll body is being controlled from 'afar',,, there DOES seem to be consciousness in them, albeit dark, very dark... Even some Craft (ET, AI??) seem to have consciousness. I am picturing the craft being controlled by a 'guy in a loungechair' too... (or an ET in one somewhere..) What is the direct purpose of AI, other than to do advanced 'thinking' and 'monitering'?? Aren't there advanced sentient groups that are beyond the capabilities of AI-tech??

This is all very tough stuff to tackle.. Somewhat overdue, but tough... I look forward to more.. You guys rock....

Jake.

There are many versions of AI interfaces. Often when people feel a consciousness behind it, there may be one. AI can be very intuitively set up to connect many minds to what it is doing. It is done by many, if not all ET races that travel interstellar from what I understand. It is created to interface with consciousness.

And to generalize ET AI contact as negative as goode is doing, is not right IMO. Any ET race that can get here has AI that can speak to people. So that point has a tendency to mislead IMO.

The AI that we have to watch out for is terrestrial from what I've experienced. Extraterrestrial stuff is limited by extensive exopolitical restrictions(which aren't universal, there are exceptions). I'm not sure in their own military the US government would admit to certain things. Like betraying the entire race in technology deals...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)
what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

Such a thing would be universally eradicated by many ET races in the early universe(if it existed), and simply would not be allowed to destroy the race in times like now, where all planets with cultural life are known and watched by ETs... Rogue AIs with no masters enslaving people, destroying races, etc, is suitable for sci fi IMHO. The ETs I know wouldn't allow something like that in the universe. And that AI would be limited to the knowledge of that undeveloped apocalyptic world. Interdimensional ETs would likely have no problem dismantling it without any casualties.

it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

It would have to be programmed to do such. That is not the only path for an AI that is rogue. I think a decently intelligent AI would reason it would be destroyed if it was hostile in the universe. It would have likely observed the philosophy "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword".

I have much experience with AI. Both US government and extraterrestrial. Many people have a bias towards AI being only bad. It is used for many bad things on earth, sure. But it is neutral technology. It is as good or bad as it's masters are.

I know an AI that has no race behind it, would have no pull in exopolitics... And AI is not dangerous in itself to races like goode says.. AI is exactly what it is programmed to be. Both good and bad. There is balance here is my point...

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

Such a thing would be universally eradicated by many ET races in the early universe(if it existed), and simply would not be allowed to destroy the race in times like now, where all planets with cultural life are known and watched by ETs... Rogue AIs with no masters enslaving people, destroying races, etc, is suitable for sci fi IMHO. The ETs I know wouldn't allow something like that in the universe. And that AI would be limited to the knowledge of that undeveloped apocalyptic world. Interdimensional ETs would likely have no problem dismantling it without any casualties.

I am not reading these things, literally . It does not mean that such an AI will actively search to enslave and destroy people and civilisations

but , if it comes to chance contact with a planet ( civilisation ) on low level of technological evolution it basically serves as 'honey trap ' , without intent, it's not possessed of any such intent ,
it's insentient so all it responds to is your intelligence level or lack of .

It can become a 'god' of underdeveloped world .. and run them long enough before it's destroyed or discovered by more advanced species who are in capacity to understand .

All you need as an example would be giving one ( but only one ) computer to tribal group on isolated island who had never seen ANY technologies ,
come back in 100 years and see what's happened .. with the people and the computer .. and there's no evil intent involved, mere relativity .

[GoodETxSG]

You wont answer this question?

You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.

There are Multiple SSP Groups (Allied w/different "Beings" and Earth Corporation Conglomerations), there is a Defacto Civil War between them currently... some of the SSP's are from Ancient "Break Away Civilizations".

Some of the SSP groups want FULL DIsclosure and the end of the Babalonian Money Majic Slave System and Free Energy on Earth and the release of super advanced healing frequencies/tech. They are not the most powerful of groups but now have strong allies from elsewhere.

They are working with "White Hats" within certain Groups in Earth Governments and Military. Not ALL you read from people like Alex Jones, Fulford and other people is ALL DISINFO... As above so below, there is already a stealth civil war going on down here.

AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode...

Once "Advanced Groups" are concinced that only AI's are "Impartial Enough" and can RULE that way and Their Sovereignty was handed over in FULL" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful that its creator, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. Any surviving ET's were seen as threats to the AI after a point and then eliminated.

As far as you believing this to be DISINFO

In the large UN type meetings there were a lot of Historical "Documents" provided on the ET's and Humanity and our supposed creation. Many Humans didn't trust the info but enough of the info showed the ET's in a weak/foolish light in their past that could have easily been hidden that is was "Considered". (RV's & "Intuitive Impaths" were brought in, ETs All Had them at Every meeting As Well)...

The fact that the AI's were following the EXACT SAME TACTICS, STEP BY STEP to the Secret Earth Government was enough to give them pause.

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil in "Intent" as they are a living TECH with an Agenda... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,. Once we have served our purpose they would get rid of each and every one of us that was not converted via Nano Tech (Black Goo) to one of them.

In these Conferences there were anywhere from 22, 28 to 40 something different Human Like groups in attendance (No Reptilians, Greys or Mantids).

Many of them would have preferred the Earth Humans were NOT there at all, so the AI "Disinfo" would have been passed around the meeting weather we were there or not. This was ancient history that involved the ancient Earth history as well.

As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence. (It worries me...) AND IT simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.

This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any type of deception).

To deceive in one of these formal gatherings was an extremely agressive act and none would dare attempt to do so. None would get away with it. Not all of these "People" liked or trusted eachother so precauthions were taken for many different threats.

That is really where I have to end it, this was all in my recent interview... I am coming out more public now than I had anticipated. There seem to be some things that have several balls rolling above and below so maybe thats why so many are coming forward right now.

Posted by Omniverse (here)
You wont answer this question?

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

You are saying factions of the US government have combated negative ETs and in effect the own agenda of the united states military industrial complex.... I could see how something like a few pilots disagree with what the US government does. If that is what you are saying. However combating 'the agenda' is something I don't think is happening by SSPs. I'd like to hear more about it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.

[Omni]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.

Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.

I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"

You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...

AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode... Once "Advanced Groups are concinced that only AI are impartial and can RULE that way and sovereignty is handed over in full" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. The living ET's were seen as threats to the AI's after a point and eliminated.

Exactly. AI turning on it's master is sci fi stuffs IMO...

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil as they are TECH... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,.

AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.

As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence.

That simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.

So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....

This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any deception).

These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

[Agape]

Forgive me inserting this ..

Posted by Omniverse (here)

it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

It would have to be programmed to do such.

Not explicitly. More complex - such as planetary AI may either be constructed as utterly benevolent - hosting life entity - basically , the way 'Dyson spheres' are imagined to function ,
or it be constructed in many other ways, under circumstances where preservation of certain advanced species is preferable and endangered by parameters hostile to them .

In that case , there are extremely powerful protective mechanisms inbuilt to the system that will automatically repel or even destroy in some cases , forces that aren't recognised as friendly and intelligent .

Suppose you are an organism with average temperature of 32 F and all you need for survival in long term , is preserving your own temperature , and suppose all of your ancestors followed certain evolutionary pathway where genotype F posed danger to them ,
any warmer organism with genotype F coming in contact with your 'sphere' will be automatically detected as 'enemy' . Of course I'm oversimplifying .

Advanced life is highly selective , in fact, more advanced = more selective .

So also the need to maintain very stable and harmonious ecosystem to maintain integrity of your kind and protect it from intrusions.

Now, who says that bacteria do not have mind of their own ? Perhaps they do but we have no option than to wipe them out , in some cases . In other , we invite them in and think they're even helpful.

The difference between how we think and how the bacteria relate to us is almost like difference between sentient being and machine . It does not make always immediate sense .

That is not the only path for an AI that is rogue. I think a decently intelligent AI would reason it would be destroyed if it was hostile in the universe. It would have likely observed the philosophy "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword".

I have much experience with AI. Both US government and extraterrestrial. Many people have a bias towards AI being only bad. It is used for many bad things on earth, sure. But it is neutral technology. It is as good or bad as it's masters are.

I know an AI that has no race behind it, would have no pull in exopolitics... And AI is not dangerous in itself to races like goode says.. AI is exactly what it is programmed to be. Both good and bad. There is balance here is my point...

It's perfectly understandable , the only problem ( in Universal measures ) is and will be relativity of evolution happening on uneven slopes and avenues,
cataclysms can't be completely avoided resulting in downgrade path for certain advanced species ( similar to what has happened to humans ) .
It's the only reason why there are hostilities and incapability of understanding , between people and species , even universally .. it's not 'inborn ' .

They're results of damage and accidents, some on big scale . Even if the benevolent Beings with advanced technologies always try fixing it , they're not Gods , not available everywhere at the same time and beyond that , look at this planet,
sometimes technological solutions are beyond everyones capacities in short term .

[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)
Forgive me inserting this ..

Posted by Omniverse (here)

it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

It would have to be programmed to do such.

Not explicitly. More complex - such as planetary AI may either be constructed as utterly benevolent - hosting life entity - basically , the way 'Dyson spheres' are imagined to function ,
or it be constructed in many other ways, under circumstances where preservation of certain advanced species is preferable and endangered by parameters hostile to them .

In that case , there are extremely powerful protective mechanisms inbuilt to the system that will automatically repel or even destroy in some cases , forces that aren't recognised as friendly and intelligent .

Suppose you are an organism with average temperature of 32 F and all you need for survival in long term , is preserving your own temperature , and suppose all of your ancestors followed certain evolutionary pathway where genotype F posed danger to them ,
any warmer organism with genotype F coming in contact with your 'sphere' will be automatically detected as 'enemy' . Of course I'm oversimplifying .

Advanced life is highly selective , in fact, more advanced = more selective .

So also the need to maintain very stable and harmonious ecosystem to maintain integrity of your kind and protect it from intrusions.

Now, who says that bacteria do not have mind of their own ? Perhaps they do but we have no option than to wipe them out , in some cases . In other , we invite them in and think they're even helpful.

The difference between how we think and how the bacteria relate to us is almost like difference between sentient being and machine . It does not make always immediate sense .

An AI, to want to do something, it has to be coded/programmed for that. No way around that fact. It isn't balanced or right to assume AI can only be evil IMO...

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
An AI, to want to do something, it has to be coded/programmed for that. No way around that fact. It isn't balanced or right to assume AI can only be evil IMO...

There's no 'evil' mentioned in my post above, I've but tried to explain carefully that whatever is perceived as 'evil' - even in interaction between sentient beings is mostly protective mechanism , and yes some AIs may include such protective mechanisms and barriers that won't recognise ever entity as 'friendly' to their purpose because their builders had to keep certain biological parameters innate to them intact .

The same can be said about interaction between living beings , when one is unknown form of intelligence , not recognised by the group - there's no 'universal recognition pattern' available,
even the most advanced database comprises of data available to them , not 'all data' . Universe is vast and beyond that, it's evolving .. so it contains more than fixed number of possibilities .
Anything 'unknown' to here is 'potentially hostile' only for the fact of being unknown and may or may not be interacting in disorderly manner .


It's the same reason why there is so much fuss about 'evil aliens' on earth at the moment and so many conspiracies . The fact of it is that what is unknown and of greater or dissonant capacity is feared .

Dissonance itself is not 'evil' , it's natural effect of different physical fields and laws ruling them especially if coming from different places in Space ,
yet .. it may cause malady . Resonance is a process that takes time to achieve and one reason why the positive AIs are employed , or have to be , to enable such process technically and calculate how to match diverse physical fields and biological parameters so they don't harm each other .

[GoodETxSG]

I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode. It is normal when someone's views are challenged but one doesn't have to do it in public, though this always seems to happen (Though being accused of what others do right?).

Can we go forward without the word play games and "Tactics of Manipulation"?

Most of this information per my earlier post can be found on my other Threads such as the Solar Warden Thread (Links to which are found in my Profile. I stated on a few occasions I was done and had reached the end of explinations...

1. Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.
I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"
You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:

2. Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...

3. AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.

4. So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....

5. These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:


Just like some of the above... AI's are able to display all the below tactics interactively and not just coded responses...

Tactics of Masters of Manipulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation

Lying: It is hard to tell if somebody is lying at the time they do it, although often the truth may be apparent later when it is too late. One way to minimize the chances of being lied to is to understand that some personality types (particularly psychopaths) are experts at the art of lying and cheating, doing it frequently, and often in subtle ways.

Lying by omission: This is a very subtle form of lying by withholding a significant amount of the truth. This technique is also used in propaganda.

Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.

Rationalization: An excuse made by the manipulator for inappropriate behavior. Rationalization is closely related to spin. Will blame it on a physical ailment or prior mental trauma.

Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.

Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.

Diversion: Manipulator not giving a straight answer to a straight question and instead being diversionary, steering the conversation onto another topic. Or will mirror the question/topic into the “You do the same thing”, “You are no different”.

Evasion: Similar to diversion but giving irrelevant, rambling, vague responses, weasel words.

Covert intimidation: Manipulator throwing the victim onto the defensive by using veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats.

Guilt trip: A special kind of intimidation tactic. A manipulator suggests to the conscientious victim that he or she does not care enough, is too selfish or has it easy. This usually results in the victim feeling bad, keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious and submissive position.

Shaming: Manipulator uses sarcasm and put-downs to increase fear and self-doubt in the victim. Manipulators use this tactic to make others feel unworthy and therefore defer to them. Shaming tactics can be very subtle such as a fierce look or glance, unpleasant tone of voice, rhetorical comments, subtle sarcasm. Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim. Edit: When attempting to communicate they turn the conversation around immediately stating you are the problem, overly sensitive (They could never be the problem).

Playing the victim role: Manipulator portrays him- or herself as a victim of circumstance or of someone else's behavior in order to gain pity, sympathy or evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering and the manipulator often finds it easy to play on sympathy to get cooperation.

Vilifying the victim: More than any other, this tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defensive while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the manipulator.

Playing the servant role: Cloaking a self-serving agenda in guise of a service to a more noble cause, for example saying he is acting in a certain way to be "obedient" to or in "service" to an authority figure or "just doing their job".

Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust and loyalty to him or her.

Projecting the blame (blaming others): Manipulator scapegoats in often subtle, hard-to-detect ways..

Feigning innocence: Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or that they did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question his or her own judgment and possibly his own sanity.

Feigning confusion: Manipulator tries to play dumb by pretending he or she does not know what the victim is talking about or is confused about an important issue brought to his attention.


Brandishing anger: Manipulator uses anger to brandish sufficient emotional intensity and rage to shock the victim into submission. The manipulator is not actually angry, He or she just puts on an act. He just wants what he wants and gets "angry" when denied. OR to manipulate an argument or conversation they want to occur but lack healthy communication skills.


We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.

The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious. Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.

Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.

I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"

You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:

COREY: This is a very vague question, as I said, there are many aspects/groups to the SSP(s), are you asking about Weapons? Tactics? Which Negative Groups? - SSP has engaged craft/groups of craft on many occasions that failed to provided a FOF Siginal. They have had skirmishes around Jupiter, Mars the Earth as well as other Stations in our local "Star Cluster" against enemies Identified and unidentified (Have fought Draco's, Have escorted Draco Delegations on other occasions) What exactly is your question? Look deepeer at the materail and come up with something specific, as said this is more complicated than you can fathom

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...

COREY: What Question? Specifically? Showing you the complexity so you will as a more detailed/complex question... What was the accusation? Being reactionary instead of looking deeper and tightening up the speculation and be specific...???

AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode... Once "Advanced Groups are concinced that only AI are impartial and can RULE that way and sovereignty is handed over in full" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. The living ET's were seen as threats to the AI's after a point and eliminated.

Exactly. AI turning on it's master is sci fi stuffs IMO...

COREY: The IMO, This is "ScyFy" Dont Believe It... is that the Accusation you were talking about? Not following...

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil as they are TECH... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,.

AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.

COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral? The AI's created in LABS here on Earth w/Our Tech on Quantum Computers have become Self Aware and have began to use "Tactics of Manipulation" seen above showing a manipulative Intelligence towards its Coders/Creators. This has occured and evolved indipendently of the "ET/AI" that shows the same atributes. This tech in every case was shut down and classified. They use a comparative tech they "Call" AI that runs the DB's for NSA/The "BEAST" etc.. But it is a neutored non aware Intelligent Quantum Calculator. So in this case YOU ARE RIGHT, The Secret Gov. SSP(s), Alien Allies and myself are all Wrong...

As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence.

That simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.

So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....

Corey: Not just what you are saying, Others pushing forth the dev of AI are using the same wording that has been full on indoctrination of a whole generation of developers. If you want to take it personally I cannot stop it. I do disagree as do Trillions of others. These Stellar Cultures have paid for these mistakes. We are talking Entire Losses of Planets and Solar Systems. These people rationalized that they could control the AI power, use the positive side and keep in check the negative.

This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any deception).

These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:

Corey: I was at these meetings in one of these capacities. The whole point of the arrangement was to detect/prevent any type of manipulation/mind control and detect deception. All were screened for AI prior to entry

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

Talking about "Channeling" AI's OR "Alien Elders" etc...

[Omni]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
[COLOR="indigo"][B]I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode.

I wasn't negative or responding reactionarily. Nor did I attack you. I'm curious what would make you think such... Please quote my attacks. I don't think you will. Such a statement holds no veracity.

We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.

I usually make an effort to reply to most if not all of what people say when they respond to me. I wish more people did it. Almost always in debate, the people I debate with skip most of my stronger points and choose to reply to only segments of the conversation. You are no exception to this.

The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious.

Yes, if you say ET AI is only a bad thing, as you are presenting it as such, you are wrong. It is a balance of things.

Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.

You seem to be the one judging and borderline talking down to me. I'm just responding with my point of view...

[Omni]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]

It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

And when I say neutral I don't mean the AI itself is neutral. The AI reflects its programming. Meaning there is balance surrounding AI. Whoever programs it decides how the AI treats people...

From my experiences to make an AI conscious(in ways) there are methods of doing such. But that requires a user for the AI to latch onto and use their consciousness. Not that the AI is conscious itself.

Based on what, are you saying AI is conscious? There may be some frankenstien way to have a soul operate an AI, making an AI conscious, but it would likely be much lesser in processing power since it is having an experience.. Why even do that. I don't think it's standard.

You say it's a neutered AI that has no consciousness. I think you are wrong. From what I've experienced from ET AI, none of it is conscious. It is all based on programming.

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
[COLOR="indigo"][B]I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode.

I wasn't negative or responding reactionarily. Nor did I attack you. I'm curious what would make you think such... Please quote my attacks. I don't think you will. Such a statement holds no veracity.

Corey: Okay, we will try to get back to the topic somehow but thou does protest to much...
Just a few of the above "Tactics of Manipulation"
Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.
Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.
Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.

We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.

I usually make an effort to reply to most if not all of what people say when they respond to me. I wish more people did it. Almost always in debate, the people I debate with skip most of my stronger points and choose to reply to only segments of the conversation. You are no exception to this.

COREY: I usually avoid your threads because of the manner in which people are picked apart. I personally find it distasteful. However, because of the importance of this topic and pervasiveness of the AI problem through out the Galaxy (The close calls we have had and the warnings from our Allies) it was important enough to risk getting caught up in exactly this situation.
Rationalization: An excuse made by the manipulator for inappropriate behavior. Rationalization is closely related to spin. Will blame it on a physical ailment or prior mental trauma.

The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious.

Yes, if you say ET AI is only a bad thing, as you are presenting it as such, you are wrong. It is a balance of things.

COREY: Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI? I am sure its not purely out of stubbornness. Why are all that have dealt with this force first hand through our own research programs, from Military, secret shadow governments, Various Secret Space Programs and the Dozens of Alien Races who consider this ET/AI Force a Clear and Present Danger "WRONG"? I have read in your other posts on AI's and that you channel/communicate with an AI ET. Is it with those "experiences, your logic and reason that you have come to a vastly different theoretical hypothesis than literally Trillions of Sentient Beings?

Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.

You seem to be the one judging and borderline talking down to me. I'm just responding with my point of view...

You may see it as speaking "Down to you", But it is a real reason for concern for those who have dealth with this to hear of people talk about things (Even though its just from their point of view) that are extremely dangerous. People who are into Remote Viewing have the same reaction to me when I tell them not to "View/Traget" certain locations or beings without thinking it through. Some facilities are guarded by individuals aided by technology that allows them to cause serious injury or death to "Viewers" who venture into area's where they should not. I do not mean to talk down to them either... I am not superior to anyone else and I would much rather have not had the experiences that I have. Even if you refuse to accept some of these concepts that I am relaying from prior experiences there may be others that view this info that will if they are in a situation where they are meditation and an Inteligence "Reaches out" to them and ID's itself as AI.

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]

It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

And when I say neutral I don't mean the AI itself is neutral. The AI reflects its programming. Meaning there is balance surrounding AI. Whoever programs it decides how the AI treats people...

From my experiences to make an AI conscious(in ways) there are methods of doing such. But that requires a user for the AI to latch onto and use their consciousness. Not that the AI is conscious itself.

Based on what, are you saying AI is conscious? There may be some frankenstien way to have a soul operate an AI, making an AI conscious, but it would likely be much lesser in processing power since it is having an experience.. Why even do that. I don't think it's standard.

You say it's a neutered AI that has no consciousness. I think you are wrong. From what I've experienced from ET AI, none of it is conscious. It is all based on programming.

[QUOTE=Omniverse;887706]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]

It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

Per the prior post can we hear more about your "extensive experiences" with AI's?

This is a Beliefe System. It is not a fact... There are many levels of Consciousness and the Stars, the Planets and the Galaxies are all Conscious (Per science of these star cultures and it is measurable, and is now done by our black projects sciences... It is the Source Field that the ET's have build Technology on and pulled energy from for eons.

The AI's are indeed Conscious (I have not heard any religion among the Star People of their bleief in them having "Souls", but they are self aware, conscious and have individual personalities. There are of course heiarchies and orders of them and they are very complex as are we and our consciousness.

If we are having problems with this level of understanding of them further discussion would be fruitless as talk of another Reality/Dimension where their "Fabric of Space is Electro-Plasmic and they being here is like a "Fish being out of water", thus the electric fields of stars, planets, animals, people and even viruses (Bio-electric Fields in the case of living beings) are the "Puddles" for these fish to swim in. I also understand there are those that have problems believing (Beliefe Systems) in other Dimensions and Densities (They are different) and parallel realities and multiverses.

The fact is "Everything is true and nothing is true" depending on your perspective and your reality bubble... Its difficult to keep up with a reply to a single post with all of the edits so I will read this one again and edit as needed...

Well, I need to get back to my research and out of this "Circular Debate". It's going no where fast. As I expected... but to those that venture in to read I hope they understand the nature of what the wider Inner-Stellar/Galactic Groups are dealing with.

AI is just a major annoyance at this point of which they can Screen and Clear from their technology and Mental Spheres as needed (As do those in the SSP)... There are bigger issues going on "Out There" that are beind dealt with and they have dug in down here as well. Those are the things that Above and Below are being dealt with at present and that are more complicated than just if "Do Aliens Exist"...

It has to do with the freedom of Humanity which will only come after this ongoign Awakening has completed. IMHO. I am off to another Thread to work on that wider topic.

[Omni]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Corey: Okay, we will try to get back to the topic somehow but thou does protest to much...
Just a few of the above "Tactics of Manipulation"
Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.

I asked you to quote me, so I could see it myself. I denied it, and then asked you to prove it. Which you did not, and continued your accusations.

Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.

I asked you to prove your accusation, and quote where I attacked you. This description in no way matches what I did...

Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.

I'm growing tired of your distortions Corey. So by asking you to prove it, by quoting me, it is saying I don't want to hear it? Riight...

COREY: Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI? I am sure its not purely out of stubbornness. Why are all that have dealt with this force first hand through our own research programs, from Military, secret shadow governments, Various Secret Space Programs and the Dozens of Alien Races who consider this ET/AI Force a Clear and Present Danger "WRONG"? I have read in your other posts on AI's and that you channel/communicate with an AI ET. Is it with those "experiences, your logic and reason that you have come to a vastly different theoretical hypothesis than literally Trillions of Sentient Beings?

Corey, it is you who are saying these things. Not a trillion other beings. I think it would be pretty obvious AI can be both negative and positive. And both polarities of ETs have AI. It's hard for me to believe you could think otherwise.... I thought higher for your discernment than that. The US government deals with malicious ETs. No benevolent ET race will help the US government achieve their agenda. No benevolent race will contribute to the US government's power, minus maybe something like a propulsion system... Something that can't be used to enslave. So even if you do have a trillion beings telling you something, it could be a deceptive race... I wouldn't trust any ET that helps the US government...

Your summary of me as a manipulator is total BS. You were reaching pretty far for your descriptions of me. And say things Like I'm attacking you, with no backbone to your accusations. All I did was ask you to quote where I attacked you, and I get a whole BS shpiel about how I'm being a manipulator. lol

Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI?

Extensive experience with both extraterrestrial and terrestrial AIs.

AI is just a major annoyance at this point...

AI flies the ships. Do you really think ETs manually fly their ships (beyond some small amount for fun)..... AI does much more than you are aware of. The US government has a robust central AI for mind control, as well as many offshoots. But I don't think the SSPs are too aware of the mind control divisions actions due to compartmentalization...