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    some insight into why the statue was placed outside of CERN
    LORD SHIVA STATUE UNVEILED
    Posted by CERN

    The statue is a gift from India, celebrating CERN's long association with India which started in the 1960's and continues strongly today. It was unveiled by the Director General, Dr Robert Aymar, His Excellency Mr K. M. Chandrasekhar, Ambassador (WTO-Geneva) and Dr Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission and Secretary, Dept of Atomic Energy, India.



    In the Hindu religion, this form of the dancing Lord Shiva is known as the Nataraj and symbolises Shakti, or life force. As a plaque alongside the statue explains, the belief is that Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it. Carl Sagan drew the metaphor between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the 'cosmic dance' of subatomic particles.

    The statue was made in India. The original sculpture was a wax model, around which a soil mould was made. Melting the wax left a hollow into which liquid metal was poured. Once cooled, the mould was split and the statue polished and given its antique finish.

    The statue is on permanent display in the square between buildings 39 and 40, a short distance from the Main Building.

    http://cds.cern.ch/record/745737

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    Default Re: Should Humanity Be Con-CERN-ed?

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    some insight into why the statue was placed outside of CERN
    LORD SHIVA STATUE UNVEILED
    Posted by CERN


    In the Hindu religion, this form of the dancing Lord Shiva is known as the Nataraj and symbolises Shakti, or life force. As a plaque alongside the statue explains, the belief is that Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it.

    Wow, it's actually there, right in front of the Cern building, in plain sight....

    Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it.


    We just have to wait for "eventually", eventually.

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    Default Re: Should Humanity Be Con-CERN-ed?

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    Quote Posted by arwen (here)
    some insight into why the statue was placed outside of CERN
    LORD SHIVA STATUE UNVEILED
    Posted by CERN

    "The statue is a gift from India, celebrating CERN's long association with India which started in the 1960's and continues strongly today."

    [....snip]



    [....snip]
    Let's not loose focus on what we all know.

    To the Global Elite, understanding the symbolism is the "Rosetta Stone" to understanding how the magic spells work.

    For instance, everyone believes the Statue of Liberty was a benign gift of friendship from France to the United States, and a statue of Lady Liberty holding the light of Liberty. While in reality it is actually the statue of Isis holding The Light of Lucifer, standing guard over the most important harbor in the Western World, casting a magic spell for the controllers and creators of these United States, and a gift from one Lodge of the Masonic Order to another.

    The point: understanding is all in knowing what the symbolism stands for.

    As I concluded in Comment #156:
    Quote Posted by observer (here)

    [....snip]

    "CERN is a cunningly disguised trigger mechanism whose nefarious purpose can only be hypothesized."
    The Lord Shiva statue is a symbol designed to magically create that nefarious objective. Without being a member of the inner circle of secrecy at the CERN Cabal, one can only hypothetically conjecture what that objective might be.
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    Apparently, they were not satisfied with LHCa so they went on to LHCb....

    The LHCb experiment will shed light on why we live in a universe that appears to be composed almost entirely of matter, but no antimatter

    The Large Hadron Collider beauty (LHCb) experiment specializes in investigating the slight differences between matter and antimatter by studying a type of particle called the "beauty quark", or "b quark".



    The 5600-tonne LHCb detector is made up of a forward spectrometer and planar detectors. It is 21 metres long, 10 metres high and 13 metres wide, and sits 100 metres below ground near the village of Ferney-Voltaire, France. About 700 scientists from 66 different institutes and universities make up the LHCb collaboration (October 2013).

    Source: http://home.web.cern.ch/about/experiments/lhcb
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    I just posted this over at the Chris Thomas Update thead...

    The upcoming start up of the Cern Haldron Collider will attempt to create a Star Gate. Chris Thomas has written an essay that contains what he has found through his research within the Akashic. Basically, the Creationery Force has put a defense mechanism in place to protect the Earth experiment from being taking down & destroyed by such idiots as those that run the Haldron Collider project. In essence, the present Solar System lacks enough energy to have a black hole Star Gate to be made. So, we can look forward the Cern's attempt to establish a connection with a "parallel universe" to be a great failure.

    The following was posted yesterday on the above linked thread:

    Star Gates
    A great deal has been made about the existence of “Star Gates” into, and out of, our solar system. Another word for a star gate would be “portal”.

    But what is the reality?

    Our solar system is unique. Nowhere else in our Universe does the combination of energy frequencies that make up our solar system exist. As we saw above, the Universe is made up of a combination of frequencies that allow for the existence of several forms of life – the combination of frequencies allow the non-physical races to exist and a different combination of energies allow the semi-physical races to exist. But on Earth, the energy combinations are entirely different to both of the other states of being.

    In order to bring about fully physical forms of life, an area of “containment” was required. We could not be directly connected to the energetic realms of the non-physical races because we would then exist in a state no different to theirs. We could not be directly connected to the energetic realms of the semi-physical races because we would then exist in a state no different to them.

    So to create a new state of being – a physical state – an area of the Universe had to be partitioned off to ensure that the experiment of physical life was not contaminated by the energy patterns from which the other regions of the Universe were comprised.

    Our solar system is deliberately located on the edge of nowhere. We are located where we are in order to be separated from the rest of the Universe and, as we are an “experiment”, we also needed to be located in a region where there was very little in the way of other life as there was a chance that we could become “contaminated” by other energies.

    It is for these reasons that our solar system is “contained” in an energy “bubble”. This bubble contains all of the combination of energy frequencies that compress space, time and light to the frequencies that correspond to a “physical” state of being. This bubble is shaped a little like a rugby ball and contains 396 dimensions – a dimension is a measure of energy frequencies and our “bubble” is limited to this number of dimensions as they correspond to the energy patterns of physical existence (the Universe contains a total of 39 to the 39th dimensions – that is the number 39 followed by 39 zeros).

    Whilst we needed to be totally separate from the rest of the Universe, the other races also needed to have access to our solar system. The non-physical races needed access, as they are the primary soul origins of the vast majority of humans. The semi-physical races needed access in order to provide us with assistance should we require it.

    So there are two “Star Gates” into and out of our solar system.

    One relates to the position of the stars on the “belt” of the constellation of Orion. This star gate opens directly into the rest of the Universe and the energy patterns of the non-physical races. The second star gate opens through the constellation of Draco to the energy patterns of the semi-physical races (the actual gate is located in the triangle created by the stars of Grumium, Nodus Secundus and Aldhibah just below the “head” of Draco).

    These are the only two access points into and out of our solar system – no other star gates or portals exist.

    In recent years, the Velon have attempted to persuade people to build new “portals” into and out of the solar system – all of those attempts failed. On the 9th of December 2009, an attempt was made to use the HAARP station located on the island of Tromsø in northern Norway – the “Norwegian Spiral”. This attempt also failed.


    Norwegian Spiral: an attempt to create a portal


    High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program [aka HAARP]


    HADRON ACCELERTOR at CERN

    There were similar attempts made using HAARP around the same time as the Norwegian attempt as well as an attempt using the particle accelerator in Cern on the Swiss/French border. All of these attempts failed as there is insufficient energy available within our solar system to build a new portal or star gate.

    This is also quite deliberate. The energy patterns we have available to us are strictly limited. It was always feared that someone would come along and attempt to build a new opening in our enclosing “rugby ball”, and so limiting the amount of energy available to us prevents the construction of such a portal.

    If there was a sufficient energy potential available to allow the construction of a new portal, and someone attempted to build one, the opening of such a portal would destroy our solar system and destroy all of the hard work we had put into finding out how physical life works. As one of the questions asked by the Creator of our Universe was “could life exist at physical densities?”, then creating a new uncontrolled portal would not only destroy our solar system it would also destroy the Universe (one of the primary reasons for this Universe to exist is to explore physicality. If the potential to explore that question no longer existed then there would be little point in the rest of the Universe existing – see my books for a more detailed explanation of this possible problem).

    So, grab your bag of popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the show as this science idiots run around like roosters claiming that there experiment was some kind of success. Watch how they will word what their conclusions will be.

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    I just posted this over at the Chris Thomas Update thead...

    So to create a new state of being – a physical state – an area of the Universe had to be partitioned off to ensure that the experiment of physical life was not contaminated by the energy patterns from which the other regions of the Universe were comprised.

    Our solar system is deliberately located on the edge of nowhere. We are located where we are in order to be separated from the rest of the Universe and, as we are an “experiment”, we also needed to be located in a region where there was very little in the way of other life as there was a chance that we could become “contaminated” by other energies.

    .
    The only problem NOW (not a few months before, we knew our location as being what Chris describes), is that now, it has been discovered that we are in fact in the middle of the galaxy, not at his edge.

    In fact, the galaxy would be twice as wide as first presumed, because we could not perceive its size, having a kind of flat view of it from our position, while in fact the galaxy would be kind of wavy and we did not perceive the bottom and top crest of the waves, creating sort of rings (like a rock being throw in water).

    Now, we would be located right in the middle of the waves patterns if looking from the center of the galaxy or from its edge. In fact, right in the middle of the interstellar traffic.

    My question therefore here would be: how come Chris has not seen that on the Akashic records, it is surely noted there no doubts? Unless our scientists are wrong this time again.

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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    I just posted this over at the Chris Thomas Update thead...

    So to create a new state of being – a physical state – an area of the Universe had to be partitioned off to ensure that the experiment of physical life was not contaminated by the energy patterns from which the other regions of the Universe were comprised.

    Our solar system is deliberately located on the edge of nowhere. We are located where we are in order to be separated from the rest of the Universe and, as we are an “experiment”, we also needed to be located in a region where there was very little in the way of other life as there was a chance that we could become “contaminated” by other energies.
    The only problem NOW (not a few months before, we knew our location as being what Chris describes), is that now, it has been discovered that we are in fact in the middle of the galaxy, not at his edge.

    In fact, the galaxy would be twice as wide as first presumed, because we could not perceive its size, having a kind of flat view of it from our position, while in fact the galaxy would be kind of wavy and we did not perceive the bottom and top crest of the waves, creating sort of rings (like a rock being throw in water).

    Now, we would be located right in the middle of the waves patterns if looking from the center of the galaxy or from its edge. In fact, right in the middle of the interstellar traffic.

    My question therefore here would be: how come Chris has not seen that on the Akashic records, it is surely noted there no doubts? Unless our scientists are wrong this time again.
    The essay from where this comes was copyrighted in August 2013 - so, it was written not even 2 years ago. What you would find from CT's writings is that Chris does not hold scientists [per se] very high on the list of people who really know what they are talking about. They have been wrong more often than not, time & time again.

    Chris does give science some credit, as he states in this essay:
    For once, science originally managed to get one thing right and that is the age of the Universe – 14.5 billion years old (actually, cosmologists have recently dropped it to 13.5 billion - so science is wrong again!). Our Universe did not just spontaneously spring into being but was created by a being that encompasses all of the energy available everywhere...

    ...Our solar system began to form about 40 million years ago. I appreciate that 40 million years is nowhere near the 4 billion, or so, years that geologists talk about, but 40 million years is what the Akashic records.

    And then there is the following from this Terje Toftenes interview...
    [W]e are undergoing a shift of consciousness that is totally unknown. Never experienced before. Nobody knows what’s happening. Nobody knows how its going to turn out, or the stages necessary to achieve what we need to achieve.

    We will get there. I mean it’s pretty obvious from the people who have made it already. But quite what happens to the residue to the 65 percent of people who said they were not going to make it—That’s where the problems lie. And certainly there are organizations who want to maintain the status quo & they’re doing everything possible to mislead people into believing that nothing is happening, or everything needs to continue as it is.

    And, this is reflected in a great deal of political discussion & political information. But underneath it all, those who are changing know they're changing, and they know they're moving forwards. And this is why so many people are divorcing themselves away from the world as it stands at the moment, and particularly politics & why so much information is now coming out that has been hidden before. Because politics has been getting away with corruption & fraud for centuries, and yet nobody really knew that much about it. But all of a sudden, worldwide, we have a release of information that shows that we’ve been mislead by fools, and corrupt fools at that. Its this change in energy patterns that is fueling the change & the release of all this kind of information. And also why we see changes in things like science & cosmology & that sort of thing, because people are starting to wake up to the fact that these scientific theories are wrong, always have been wrong & not based on any kind of fact, just purely & simply assumption.

    In fairness, the Solar System we inhabit is surrounded by an energy bubble. And this energy bubble contains us, it makes us Human, it makes us physical. Whereas, if we get outside this energy bubble, what we have are different frequencies. I mean, the speed of light has been well measured & travels at 186,000 miles per second, I can’t remember what it is in kilometers. And it does, this is what it travels within our Solar System, but once you get outside of our Solar System, then the speed of light changes—its totally different. And this is why the ages of things, such as the stars, galaxies, whatever… have a problem… There is this problem between the dates recorded in the Akashic & the scientific assumption of it. And why there’s this thing of “we have an expanding Universe”— we don’t have an expanding Universe. What we have is freedom of movement within the universal envelope. So, some galaxies are moving in one direction, which makes them look as though the Universe is expanding.

    Image Source: Wikipedia

    Cold Dark Matter & Cold Dark Energy - Ridiculous!

    And we also have… I have to call it for what it is — this ridiculous concept of ‘Cold Dark Matter’ & ‘Cold Dark Energy’— THEY DO NOT EXIST! Certainly, Cold Dark Matter does not exist.

    What we have is the Universe that is built of electromagnetic energies — that’s the nearest analogy, Human analogy, that I can come to in terms of describing what occurs within the Universe. Everything is energy. In fairness to Einstein, the E = MC2 [squared] formula still holds. That is a truth that is universal, essentially. So, everything is energy. So why would there be ‘dark matter’ around somewhere, that makes up the mass of the Universe to try to make this gravitational theory work.

    [The] Gravitational Theory is a complete load of rubbish, when it comes down to it, with all due respect to Einstein’s theory of relativity, as well. But we have an electromagnetic universe, and if you look at the difference between electromagnetic forces & magnetic forces, the difference is phenomenal. And if you start to look from a scientific viewpoint, that the Universe is being made up electromagnetism, then all the anomalies, all the problems with their equations & theories become resolved. Its as simple as that — you know, it doesn’t take much thinking about. I mean, if I can do it as a non scientist just on the physical evidence, never mind with what’s within the Akashic, then I really don’t understand what this “Double-Dark Theory” is all about, because it just doesn’t work.
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    As the OP of this thread, allow me to point-out that a trip into the subjective dominion of metaphysics was never the intention of this thread. The world of fantasy is a wonderful place to play, but this thread was created to examine the objective evidence available documenting what can be proven from the historic record concerning the intent and purpose of the CERN experiments.

    It was the decision of certain MODs to combine threads in such a way that the door was opened to include information based entirely on some individual's unsubstantiated personal experiences gleaned from within the confines of that individual's implanted mental images.

    If you wish to make a comment in this thread, I only ask that you please show us the evidence. It has always been my desire to attract the attention of individuals capable of critical thinking. Suggesting the existence of 39 parallel dimensions with 39 zeros behind the number can hardly be considered substantiating a fact with a trail of evidence.

    Please Note:
    For a further understanding of what I'm talking about please search term: "The Council of Nine". This would be a good starting point for defining what the agenda of 'implanted mental images' is all about. The Council of Nine began appearing in the early 50's and included some of the earliest names in the intelligence community.

    It is my conclusion that these implanted thoughts are a continuing agenda going all the way back to the Dawn of Humanity, and have been defined using a myriad of terms that include words like prophet, seer, clairvoyant, channeler, remote viewer, sensitive, and a long list of others - all designed to keep the Masses confused.

    Now, let's try to get this thread
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    The cat is out of the bag: "Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons", or "antimatter bombs"

    One of the original and primary ongoing experiments at CERN has been a search for "antimatter". This seemingly innocuous mission statement for one of the primary functions of the CERN facility is in reality a weapons research project in disguise. In other words, the Global Elite using the technology of a Break-Away Civilization, are doing "research for an antimatter bomb".

    This is the type of evidence this thread is seeking

    Research Resources:

    "Antimatter weapons (19461986): From Fermi and Teller’s speculations to the first open scientific publications" -

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0507132v2.pdf

    "Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons: Military effectiveness and collateral effects"-

    http://www.academia.edu/3227488/Four...ateral_effects

    A special thanks to heyokah for opening this door....
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    The cat is out of the bag: "Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons", or "antimatter bombs"

    ....
    Thank you observer !
    Allow me to quote 3 important pages of that paper called :
    Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons: Military effectiveness and collateral effects.

    by Andre Gsponer
    Independent Scientific Research Institute Box 30, CH-1211 Geneva-12, Switzerland
    Version ISRI0503.17, May 23, 2006

    - Page 19

    Antimatter

    Antimatter has the distinctive feature of having a flavor of being a “science-fiction technology” while in fact there is no fundamental scientific problem with that technology and its potential applications.
    The problems are that antimatter is expensive to produce in large quantities at present, and that numerous engineering problems have still to be solved before it can be used in practical applications.

    The situation is similar to that of microcomputers or hand-held cellular telephones: their scientific feasibility was established in the 1950s, but their construction and large-scale manufacturing required thirty to forty years of engineering research and development.

    For example, the theory I presented at a 1986 conference, demonstrating the scientific feasibility of a new generation of nuclear weapons in which the few kilograms of fissile primary are replaced by microgram amounts of antihydrogen, i.e., has never been disputed. On the contrary, that presentation is now recognized as being the first presentation at an open scientific conference of the correct physical processes leading to the ignition of a thermo-nuclear explosion using less than a few micrograms of antimatter as trigger, and the correctness of the theory has been confirmed in many reports.

    As a matter of fact, antimatter is seriously considered as a potential energy source for a new generation of nuclear explosives since at least the end of the1940s, especially by Edward Teller and collaborators in the United States .

    - Page 20

    Antimatter is currently a very active area of research, characterized by a considerable overlap with fundamental nuclear and sub-nuclear research because antiparticles are particularly powerful tools for studying the fundamental laws of physics at very high energies. There is therefore a large consensus, as well as a convergence of interests, which make that the development of antimatter science and technology does not need to be funded by large defense programs, simply because it is a high priority item for pure scientific research as well.

    Consequently, the number of antimatter-based research facilities has mushroomed around the world, with the result that some large and primarily national facilities (e.g., in Japan and Germany) are becoming directly competitive with inter- governemental laboratories (such as CERN) which should be the proper place for conducting “pure science” in a strictly international setting. It is also remarquabel that in the past ten years a rather exotic field like antimatter-plasma physics has become a large subject of research, with several percent of all professional advanced plasma-physics publications dedicated to it, including contributions from countries such as Brazil which has developed a strong theoretical basis for mastering the subject.

    As a result, by 2010, the world’s two largest anti-proton factories will be in Europe, at CERN near Geneva, and GSI near Darmstadt, i.e., only about 1000 km apart from each other. This has not escaped the attention of US scientists working on the practical applications of antimatter, who emphasized that:
    “a dedicated antiproton source (the main barrier to copious anti-hydrogen production) must be built in the US, perhaps as a joint NASA/DOE/NIH project. This is because the only practical sources in the world are at CERN and the proposed facility at GSI in Germany”

    This may look as a quite unusual situation: why would the world’s richest and most powerful country not have a large dedicated anti-proton source? Part of the answer to this is already contained in a twenty-years old report of the RAND corporation which basically concluded that as long as US scientists would have full access to antimatter produced at CERN “a production/accumulation facility, such as the one at CERN, although desirable, wouldn’t in the near future have to be built in the United States” In this spirit, one could also add that it could certainly be in the interest of the United States to let Europe have a few unique advanced and costly facilities in order to motivate its researchers, and to attract those from Eastern Europe and Russia.

    Similar reasons explain the support given by the United States to the creation of CERN in the early 1950s.

    - Page 21

    However, the main reason is more probably that the production of anti-protons is not the most difficult technological problem in the way of practical applications of antimatter. In fact, the anti-protons per year to be produced in 2010 at the AD facility at CERN, or at FAIR at GSI, correspond already to about 1 nano gram per year. If presently available technology would be used to build a fully dedicated “antimatter factory,” rather than a general purpose “research facility,” one could easily produce more that 1 microgram of antimatter per year right now.

    As 1 microgram is sufficient to trigger one thermo nuclear weapon, such a facility will only be a facto r365 away from the implicit goal that the US and Soviet governments set forth in the 1940s, namely to produce enough material for making one atomic bomb every day!

    As a matter of fact, the United States and other countries are still investigating the best technique for producing very large quantities of antimatter.
    One such technique is based on the idea of creating a “quark-gluon plasma,” which is studied in laboratories such as CERN, RHIC at BNL (the Brookhaven National Laboratory near New York), and FAIR at GSI.
    Creating such a plasma is essentially trying to reproduce in the laboratory what happened at the beginning of the universe, a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang. At that moment there were equal amounts of matter and anti-matter in the universe, all matter and energy being in a so called “primordial plasma” state.
    If the cooling-down process of the primordial plasma into either matter or antimatter could be controlled, one would possibly have the most efficient method for producing antimatter on a large scale! There is therefore no surprise that weapons-laboratory scientists are in fact much interested by this supposedly purely “astrophysical” state of matter, especially since the idea it self originated from Edward Teller and collaborators in 1973 already.

    There is also another serious and almost trivial question: How can anti-matter safely be stored and manipulated as it spontaneously interacts with any matter coming close to it? This is the subject of considerable research for which many options are in competition. Clearly, there is little reasons for building a full-scale anti-matter factory before this question is fully answered, and the relatedtechnologies sufficiently developed.

    http://www.academia.edu/3227488/Four...ateral_effects

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    Quote Posted by observer (here)
    As the OP of this thread, allow me to point-out that a trip into the subjective dominion of metaphysics was never the intention of this thread. The world of fantasy is a wonderful place to play, but this thread was created to examine the objective evidence available documenting what can be proven from the historic record concerning the intent and purpose of the CERN experiments.

    It was the decision of certain MODs to combine threads in such a way that the door was opened to include information based entirely on some individual's unsubstantiated personal experiences gleaned from within the confines of that individual's implanted mental images.

    If you wish to make a comment in this thread, I only ask that you please show us the evidence. It has always been my desire to attract the attention of individuals capable of critical thinking. Suggesting the existence of 39 parallel dimensions with 39 zeros behind the number can hardly be considered substantiating a fact with a trail of evidence.

    Please Note:
    For a further understanding of what I'm talking about please search term: "The Council of Nine". This would be a good starting point for defining what the agenda of 'implanted mental images' is all about. The Council of Nine began appearing in the early 50's and included some of the earliest names in the intelligence community.

    It is my conclusion that these implanted thoughts are a continuing agenda going all the way back to the Dawn of Humanity, and have been defined using a myriad of terms that include words like prophet, seer, clairvoyant, channeler, remote viewer, sensitive, and a long list of others - all designed to keep the Masses confused.

    Now, let's try to get this thread
    Thank you, heyokah, exactly my point... "Antimatter has the distinctive feature of having a flavor of being a “science-fiction technology”... "a rather exotic field like antimatter-plasma physics has become a large subject of research"...

    From wikipedia: "Structure formation refers to a largely unsolved, but extensively researched problem in physical cosmology." - there you have it. Just because the subject is "extensively researched" doesn't make it any more real than a fictional fairytale / wicked witch story. Sounds like the whole reason that money continues to be spent & research will go on is so the military-industrial-security state-complex can be provided another weapon of mass destruction.

    Sounds like you are referring to the mainstream scientists-at-large, Observer. Can you show the factual evidence that so-called "Dark Matter" exists, or "Dark Energy", or the factual evidence that the so-called "Big Bang" actually took place. No! These are fairytale fictions.

    Now, I can show you the paper in which Steven Hawking, the 'king' of 'Black Hole' theory, had come out last year (January 27, 2014) saying Black Holes no longer exist! Now, disposing his Black Hole theory altogether, something that he has based his entire career on... Now, this had to be a heavy hit for him, but he obviously deserves some credit for finally admitting this to himself, as well as publicly to the rest of the scientific community, to boot.

    And what do main stream scientists say about this - absolutely nothing! In fact, they have just about totally ignored Steven Hawking on this... Just so they can proceed forth with their 'looney tune' concepts of Dark Matter / Dark Energy to try to prop up the tooty-fruity idea that there was a "big bang" that started everything going. They might resort to duct tape & chewing gum when this upcoming big Cern failure dust finally settles into the reality that the rest of us are living in.

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    Hi turia, I would like you to have a good look at observer's post #156, concerning your "mainstream scientists-at-large" idea......

    Quote Posted by observer (here)
    .......
    The point I've been attempting to focus upon with the direction of this thread is rooted in the fact that everything we are told is a small part of a much larger lie - everything !!!

    Our three dimensional universe had no beginning, nor will it have an end.
    ..........
    While many are speculating about the Large Hadron Collider going to make contact with a PARALLEL UNIVERSE or producing DARK MATTER or a WORMHOLE, and while others are caught-up in messages through channellings, or direct from the 'Akashic Records', for what it's worth, we might not be fully aware of what is going on behind the curtains of CERN.


    As for Antimatter and Dark Matter

    Antiparticles
    Every elementary particle in the Universe appears to have a partner particle called its antiparticle that shares many of the same characteristics, but many other characteristics are the opposite of those for the particle. For example, the electron has as its antiparticle the antielectron. The electron and the antielectron have exactly the same masses, but they have exactly opposite electrical charges.
    The common stuff around us appears to be "matter", but we routinely produce antimatter in small quantities in high energy accelerator experiments. When a matter particle meets its antimatter particle they destroy each other completely (the technical term is "annihilation"), releasing the equivalent of their rest masses in the form of pure energy (according to the Einstein E=mc^2 relation). For example, when an electron meets an antielectron, the two annihilate and produce a burst of light having the energy corresponding to the masses of the two particles.

    Because the properties of matter and antimatter parallel each other, we believe that the physics and chemistry of a galaxy made entirely from antimatter would closely parallel that of our our matter galaxy. Thus, is is conceivable that life built on antimatter could have evolved at other places in the Universe, just as life based on matter has evolved here. (But if your antimatter twin should show up some day, I would advise against shaking hands---remember that matter and antimatter annihilate each other!) However, we have no evidence thus far for large concentrations of antimatter anywhere in the Universe. Everything that we see so far seems to be matter. If true, this is something of a mystery, because naively there are reasons from fundamental physics to believe that the Universe should have produced about as much matter as antimatter.

    Dark Matter
    Dark matter is the general term for matter that we cannot see to this point with our telescopes, but that we know must be there because we see its gravitational influence on the rest of the Universe. Many different experiments indicate that there is probably 10 times more matter in the Universe (because we see its gravitational influence) than the matter that we see. Thus, dark matter is basically what the Universe is made out of, but we don't yet know what it is!
    As one simple example of the evidence for dark matter, the velocity of rotation for spiral galaxies depends on the amount of mass contained in them. The outer parts of our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, are rotating much too fast to be consistent with the amount of matter that we can detect; in fact the data indicates that there must be about 10 times as much matter as we can see distributed in some diffuse halo of our galaxy to account for its rotation. The same is true for most other spiral galaxies where the velocities can be measured.

    There are various candidates for the dark matter, ranging from ordinary matter that we just can't see because it isn't bright enough (for example, ordinary matter bound up in black holes, or very faint stars, or large planet-like objects like Jupiter) to more exotic particles that have yet to be discovered. There are some fairly strong arguments based on the production of the light elements in the Big Bang indicating that the majority of the dark matter cannot be ordinary matter or antimatter (which physicists call "baryonic matter"), and thus that the majority of the mass of the Universe is in a form very different from the matter that makes up us and the world around us (physicists call this "non-baryonic matter"). If that is true, then the matter that we are made of (baryonic matter) is but a small impurity compared to the dominant matter in the universe (non-baryonic matter). As someone has put it, "not only are we not the center of the Universe, we aren't even made of the right stuff!"

    The nature of the dark matter is perhaps the most fundamental unsolved problem in modern astronomy.

    Could the Dark Matter be Antimatter?
    It is conceivable that the dark matter (or at least part of it) could be antimatter, but there are very strong experimental reasons to doubt this. For example, if the dark matter out there were antimatter, we would expect it to annihilate with matter whenever it meets up with it, releasing bursts of energy primarily in the form of light. We see no evidence in careful observations for that, which leads most scientists to believe that whatever the dark matter is, it is not antimatter.

    http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/l...ntimatter.html

    Or else

    http://www.science20.com/quantum_gra...egative_matter

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    turiya, my friend,

    You are not keeping-up with the theme of this thread. If you review my comments all the way back to the OP you will see the focus of those comments are exactly that the Big Bang never happened. I believe, however you are confusing Dark Matter with Antimatter. I believe these two concepts are differently defined.

    Antimatter - Noun, a form of matter composed of antiparticles, such as antihydrogen, consisting of antiprotons and positrons. Antimatter, which annihilates matter upon contact, seems to be rare in the universe. The experiments at CERN have already detected Antimatter for short durations.

    Dark Matter - Noun, nonluminous matter not yet directly detected by astronomers that is hypothesized to exist to account for various observed gravitational effects.

    The search for antimatter goes back to the earliest days of particle physics. The idea of Dark Matter, or Dark Energy is a recent construct invented to fill a theoretical void created by the Big Bang Theory. A concept which I agree with you, is totally bogus.

    The development of an Antimatter Bomb, however is a very real possibility and is supported by volumes of material. I invite you to search term: "Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons".
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    Observer, I wanted you (and the others!) to see THIS:


    https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelc...ERS/WEAZ07.PDF


    SHOCK WAVE PROPAGATION NEAR 7 TEV PROTON BEAM IN LHC
    COLLIMATOR MATERIALS *
    A.I. Ryazanov, A.V.Klaptsov, S.A.Pavlov, Russian Research Center
    “Kurchatov Institute”, 123182 Moscow, Russia,
    R.Assmann, A.Ferrari, R. Schmidt, CERN-AB, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland


    Abstract
    A theoretical model and numerical calculations are
    developed to estimate consequences of the impact of a
    7 TeV proton beam on the physical-mechanical properties
    of materials used in the LHC, for example graphite used
    for collimators, and copper. Each 7 TeV proton beam
    consists of 2808 bunches with 1.1x1011 protons per bunch.
    In our calculations we assume a bunch length of 0.5 ns
    and a bunch spacing of 25 ns. The high energy stored in
    each bunch can produce a shock wave in these materials.
    The theoretical model for the investigations of shock
    wave propagation in the collimator materials takes into
    account ionization, electronic excitation, and energy
    transfer from excited electronic subsystem of material to
    the ionic subsystem. The changes of some physical
    properties of the collimator materials during shock wave
    propagation are considered here. The deposited energy is
    calculated with FLUKA [1].


    The first numerical results are presented here to show
    the possibilities of developed computer program and to
    test it in the calculations of microstructure changes in
    materials produced by shock wave propagation for
    different numbers of bunches for some deposited energy.
    This allows investigating the changes of density and
    internal pressure, temperature profiles in electronic and
    ionic subsystems of materials near the front of shock
    wave. This program will be used in the future for the
    understanding of behaviour of collimator materials used
    in LHC under 7 TeV proton beam in accident cases.


    CALCULATIONS OF DEPOSITED
    ENERGY IN COLLIMATOR
    MATERIALS
    The interaction of a 7 TeV proton beam with material
    results in a formation of secondary fast particles due to
    electromagnetic cascades and nuclear reactions of protons
    with target atoms. The slowing down of these secondary
    particles in materials leads to an accumulation of very
    high energy close to the beam and to formation shock
    wave and radiation damage. As a first step in this study,
    we consider here only a shock wave formation in the
    materials for some deposited energies. The study
    discussed here is considered to be complementary to the
    study presented in [2], and will in the future concentrate
    also on radiation damage.

    etc.

    https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelc...ERS/WEAZ07.PDF

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    Oh Nuts! The darn thing broke again! See Reuters: Electric Fault Delays Relaunch of Cern... http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0MK2EY20150324

    and Dutchsinse- http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/32...now-postponed/

    Relaunch postponed indefinitely!

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    Yes, there were operations since 2008 (when it was opening for the first time) to delay progress. There was some discussion touching on this matter in the triquetra thread.

    Physicists don't know any better, you can go through school thinking wave-based quantum physics is dismissible while the world revolves around particle physics advances. After all, particle physics is what makes all good weapons, right?

    So there is the level of the naive drone, and then the level of symbolic knowingness that it all comes down to particles vs waves at the end of the day. It's one of the root dualities.

    So really civilization is being grown to be a kind of weapon, by keeping people in the dark about what advances in wave physics could bring (an immediate abundance) and pushing forward particle physics at all costs, to get something very specific ready. This something is difficult to RV.

    But you can still understand it symbolically. There is an effort to hack out of the program from the inside, to not bother to flow within the program of reality, but to attack it from the inside.

    The fact of the matter is that no matter what kind of coordination is going on, it's a bit of an exercise in futility, for example alterations to reorient the timeline to its original trajectory have already been done, all prior to 2012, and the mapping of futures from 2013 on doesn't contain anything like what all this working towards something very unusual (an effort spanning thousands of years) was all about.

    What it amounts to is a perturbation of the intended timeline and a readjustment. Making reality is macro-micro symmetric to an understanding of how your reality is made. You can dig further into sub-atomic particles or poke at the borders of the universe, but to try and leave everyone in the dark about the unified wave system that applies to everything you can understand in your reality and also everything beyond it, it gets them no further.

    I would not be worried about a breakaway civilization because they will just be stuck in another location instead of being stuck on earth.

    There is no stopping the impending singularity nor the implications of it. Alignment is alignment, pure and simple. The folks that have intentionally made many decisions that negatively impact others will be left behind. Destroying everything only makes matters even worse.

    There is nothing left to be done besides having each and ever real human try and find their path to alignment. This is not so much a religious matter as it is a mathematical matter. You can understand your alignment in terms of your emotional state, the vibrations of each and every part of your biology, your psyche, the way you interact with the reality you perceive around you, your micro-alignment from what you know about the information you get from within, your macro-alignment from the company you keep and how well they are doing with their own alignment, and the way reality appears to be to you.

    CERN was a concern in 2008. Now there are just a lot of people who think they are very powerful digging their own holes even deeper. They can exert their power for some time longer but it's all going to quickly turn to dust.

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    Observer, I wanted you (and the others!) to see THIS:


    https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelc...ERS/WEAZ07.PDF


    SHOCK WAVE PROPAGATION NEAR 7 TEV PROTON BEAM IN LHC
    COLLIMATOR MATERIALS *
    A.I. Ryazanov, A.V.Klaptsov, S.A.Pavlov, Russian Research Center
    “Kurchatov Institute”, 123182 Moscow, Russia,
    R.Assmann, A.Ferrari, R. Schmidt, CERN-AB, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland

    Hi Tesla,

    This article/paper you mentioned in your post above was from 2006.

    http://inspirehep.net/record/739664

    The collider's previous highest power was 8 TeV reached in 2012, but after the upgrade, it will first reach 13 TeV and could be cranked up to a maximum 14 TeV.

    What are you suggesting with the highlighting of parts of the text?
    Could those beams eventually be used as a sort of weapon against "The Enemy", humanity?
    They sure are destructive !

    **** ADD

    I suppose those clever guys at CERN think they can oversee and manage the consequences of the impact of a future 13 TeV proton beam, not only on the physical-mechanical properties of materials used in the LHC, but also outside the LHC, if anything would go wrong..... ???
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    The following taken from the first interview in a series with Anthony Patch regarding Cern:

    Live Interview with Anthony Patch on CERN Part1

    Published on March 31 2015

    Anthony Patch February 09 2015 Interview (re-edited).
    Watch the Part2: https://youtu.be/JAhQ032nUuY
    Follow up March 19 2015 interview: https://youtu.be/w66jy_weYJE
    Radio March 27 2015 Interview: https://youtu.be/XJkx-I4fw4o
    Ground Zero Radio Podcasts: https://soundcloud.com/groundzeromedia


    Live Interview with Anthony Patch on CERN Part2




    Live Interview with Anthony Patch on CERN Part3

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    This news is serious or just a April 1 joke?

    Quote CERN scientists reveal secret project

    If successful, the ambitious new experiment may overshadow even the Large Hadron Collider.

    Movie science is often a source of chagrin for actual researchers. But recent events suggest that we may be entering a new era of partnership between science and the silver screen.

    CERN scientists announced today plans for a project inspired by the bold vision of sci-fi director Steve Pink. Harnessing the increased power of the Large Hadron Collider, scientists will construct the world’s first fully functional temporal displacement thermodynamic reservoir—in lay terms, a Hot Tub Time Machine.

    Inspired by the collaboration between astronomer Kip Thorne and director Christopher Nolan on the film Interstellar, a group of scientists hit the theatre in search of fresh ideas. The scientists say the comedic sequel opened their eyes to the possibility of manipulating the very fabric of spacetime.

    “It also gave us a strong desire to get those 93 minutes back,” says physicist W. Earl Poole.

    Physicist S. Tim Baath took care of the theoretical side of things. “We find that the J/Psi mesons, when Axially Coupled Unto the Z-axis, cause significant time dilation,” he says. “For simplicity, we refer to this as the ‘JACU-Z’ effect.”

    The first test of their machine will take place today, April 1.

    Prospective future projects include a Theory of Everything and Jupiter Ascending anti-gravity boots.

    Source: http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/arti...secret-project
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    Large Hadron Collider set to restart

    Posted by Cian O'Luanaigh on 2 Apr 2015. Last updated 2 Apr 2015, 17.40

    After a shutdown lasting two years, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world’s biggest and most powerful particle accelerator, is ready once again for the arrival of particle beams. The teams are completing the final tests after having solved on 31 March the problem that had been delaying the restart of the accelerator. The first beams could be circulating in the machine sometime between Saturday and Monday.

    “We are confident of being able to restart the machine over the weekend, as all of the tests performed so far have been successful,” said Frédérick Bordry, Director for Accelerators and Technology at CERN.

    When the LHC and the whole accelerator chain are running, operators work in shifts around the clock in the control room. They will attempt to circulate beams in the LHC in both directions, at their injection energy of 450 GeV, as soon as all the lights are green.

    Particle collisions at an energy of 13 TeV could start as early as June.

    Source: http://home.web.cern.ch/about/update...er-set-restart

    --//--

    CERN researchers confirm existence of the Force

    Posted by Cian O'Luanaigh on 1 Apr 2015. Last updated 2 Apr 2015, 10.13



    Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider just recently started testing the accelerator for running at the higher energy of 13 TeV, and already they have found new insights into the fundamental structure of the universe. Though four fundamental forces – the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force and gravity – have been well documented and confirmed in experiments over the years, CERN announced today the first unequivocal evidence for the Force. “Very impressive, this result is,” said a diminutive green spokesperson for the laboratory.

    More

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    3D LHC animation.
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