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    Hi Triquetra

    Thanks for your post. You have given me a lot to think about. I often read over your posts as it takes a while for the information to sink into my subconscious mind.

    I am sleeping better now, for a few months my sleep patterns were somewhat disturbed.


    And so, the souls at different major developmental stages may need to experience these loops in time, if this is necessary in order to truly learn the lesson that time loop is attempting to offer them.

    The time loops have infinite patience. No matter how much a soul resists, the time loop will continue and new information and elements will come in and out of the system until finally reality presents itself to that soul in such a way that they must finally accept. This continues over incredibly vast time scales in many cases, coinciding with the lifeform's abandonment of its own soul, the reclaiming of that soul, various kinds of fragmentation and reunification, all together.


    Did higher level creators program and set these time loops and the soul lessons to be taught?

    It may be that you want specific examples in order to decide if you believe the theory of these time loops, or if you feel you understand the concept. But it might be better to expose just how little we know about the real history of this earth, as well as the history of other planets in the universe around us.

    I believe in the concept of time loops, it is pretty obvious that civilisation and history repeats itself in similar but different ways. There is also a lot of historic anomalies of civilisations that does not make sense with the contemporary view of history, like the Mayan astronomical technology, there seems to be evidence of an earlier civilisation of the south pacific too and a global phenomenon of megalithic monument building and a lot of biblical and myths concerning a different race of people being the giants. I was just interested to know more about some of the civilisations whose prime motivation was spiritual development, who managed to cross the threshold to get to 5D. Obviously there were small groups of people doing this or seeking to do this, with the megalithic building projects of paleolithic times and a lot of different yogic and meditative practices that came from the Vedic civilisation from India and spread throughout south east asia too, where this was probably their goal.

    What we have arrived at in this discussion is definitely the crux of the matter, namely the willingness of certain entities to accept this reality (or not). Combining this with the other topic we discussed separately, that of understanding the difference in conditions when new information from outside of a system can be introduced, versus when it cannot, hints towards the fundamental keys of escaping the time loops, regardless of whether they are experienced from the perspective of the 3rd dimension or the 4th.

    I think we all need to accept the situation for what it is and forget who did what to who and just unlock the situation to resolve it. Getting new information from outside the system to get as many of us in alignment as quickly possible would help level a pretty uneven playing field. If this was a normal world, where we had not been manipulated and farmed by advanced 4D thought beings, we would probably not need any help.

    Cheers

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    Hi Triquetra

    The awakened mind state becomes aware that that which can be built by such flow states, already has been, and so you are really there, in Terra, watching yourself working, with others, to reach the place where you already exist.

    This is similar to the Cassiopaean principle of a source of information being a future version of yourself "we are you in the future".


    So we are basically building our bridge to create and access our future self which is residing in 5D through this process. It is pretty amazing when you think about it.

    I am looking forward to trying out some of the tools under development to achieve flow states and awakened mind states when they become available.

    Cheers

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    Hi Triquetra,

    I am yet to comprehend the Triquetra but can feel it is a pure and powerful way to remember, bring 5D energies in etc. and greatly appreciate what you are offering. My passion and area of interest is the key to restoring the human vehicle to its natural state (my interest is in the key, I don't mean that my interest is the key), it is more important than it seems, humanity has much to learn about the extent of its natural abilities. I say this to show you I recognise the importance of your area of expertise, the effect of such knowledge is also an integral part of restoring humanity to its natural state.

    I have recently accessed a download of sorts and have found the key I was looking for and in so doing it has served as like an expansion pack for my comprehension of many things regarding my area of interest. I offer you the following in the spirit of sharing from the pool of my expertise.

    Quote rather than this artificial dualistic interpretation of reality that has been forced onto us.
    We chose it, it was not forced onto us.

    So many ways to approach this but I'll go with the following. Darkness is an illusion made real for the purpose of expansion, by choice. We have of course forgotten we chose it, we had to allow the darkness to manifest powerfully enough to act as the catalyst for the full restoration of the human vehicle, amongst other things. We had to forget this was a choice, we had to forget who we are, we had to forget duality was illusory, we had to forget many things to manifest the level of darkness required and at the same time all we had to do was enter darkness deeply enough to forget. We forgot so we could remember and we forgot and are remembering so we can expand as individuals and collectively. We are ever expanding because the universe is, as above so below or as within so with out.
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    Quote Posted by Scottoz (here)
    Did higher level creators program and set these time loops and the soul lessons to be taught?
    The high level creators are still us, they are us as far "up" as we can imagine from the current perspective. There is a lot of crossover with the other topic's latest reply, so in this case it is probably best just to link from here, depending on which one you read first:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...77#post1098777

    We are iterating on the totality of ourselves, in order to solve extremely complex problems of interaction of many different types of entities with different agendas and priorities, histories and makeups. Finding the solution sets for extremely complex systems of equations is essentially what we are doing here, as we are about to during this "21st century" where we are otherwise terrified of the finite nature of the planet we perceive ourselves to be on.

    Quote I believe in the concept of time loops, it is pretty obvious that civilisation and history repeats itself in similar but different ways. There is also a lot of historic anomalies of civilisations that does not make sense with the contemporary view of history, like the Mayan astronomical technology, there seems to be evidence of an earlier civilisation of the south pacific too and a global phenomenon of megalithic monument building and a lot of biblical and myths concerning a different race of people being the giants. I was just interested to know more about some of the civilisations whose prime motivation was spiritual development, who managed to cross the threshold to get to 5D. Obviously there were small groups of people doing this or seeking to do this, with the megalithic building projects of paleolithic times and a lot of different yogic and meditative practices that came from the Vedic civilisation from India and spread throughout south east asia too, where this was probably their goal.
    And with extended RV outside the scope of a single linear timeline, it becomes apparent that these previous civilization remnants are just a small piece of the puzzle compared to the real meaning of deja vu, premonitions, ability to successfully predict and prophecy, and above all the tragedy in seeing the inevitability of the fall of a civilization but being powerless to do anything to prevent it. Quite to the contrary, it becomes evident that the time loops are trying to suggest a completely different implication for the importance of our experience rather than attempting to perpetuate a linear civilization indefinitely.

    After all, what would a civilization that grew beyond its planet do after, anyway? It would just act the same way it did on its own planet, requiring more resources and traveling further, always the same pattern, no matter how big the universe actually turned out to be. This was never the actually point, even if it kept most of us entertained for a long while, and was in fact instrumental to discovering our true purpose.

    The true purpose of course becomes evident in times like these, when it seems as though the way through to the other side is a narrow one, requiring extreme amounts of cooperation between up-until-then highly uncooperative groups of people (by country, by caste, by dimension, etc.).

    It is symbolic of exactly what the time loops reveal, what those previous civilizations you mentioned hint towards in what they left behind - the need to see beyond the immediate simplicities in the nature of our struggle, to find the ideal solution to the complete equation. Perhaps for a globalizing civilization, it is to determine how to curb population growth and cut resource consumption, cut pollution, ecosystem destruction, etc., etc., all until an equilibrium is achieved, a way of continuing to make steady progress in technology and so forth without requiring that we grow the population recklessly, require resources beyond what a single planet can provide, pollute and destroy eco-diversity to the point when we cannot survive on our own planet any longer.

    Or perhaps for a smaller portion of ascending beings, who find themselves together on a sinking ship with a much vaster majority of beings that don't seem to be ascending at all, it is a way of discovering how to not sink with the rest of them?

    And so you see all these patterns in the past civilizations - those that simply fell, those that seems to disappear into higher dimensions with records of much greater knowledge than we would have expected of them.

    What first seems like a case of a globalizing civilization that is facing both fates at the same time, could quickly change, if the means to a degree of alignment offering a shocking jolt in beginning to experience reality from beyond 3D can have, might allow that means to spread much more quickly to the rest of the population than could be currently imagined.

    Quote I think we all need to accept the situation for what it is and forget who did what to who and just unlock the situation to resolve it. Getting new information from outside the system to get as many of us in alignment as quickly possible would help level a pretty uneven playing field. If this was a normal world, where we had not been manipulated and farmed by advanced 4D thought beings, we would probably not need any help.
    This is a very pragmatic way to think about it, and is exactly the case. It can be described quite readily using music theory.

    The minor and major thirds are the two major modalities of the 3D experience. The minor third is the lower half of the vibratory ratio subspectrum and symbolizes all of the "negative" emotional content we experience. Conversely the major third is the upper half of this subspectrum, symbolizing the positive. However, we have been trained to feel a pull between it and the lower half of the 4D subspectrum, the perfect fourth. Conversely, we have been trained considerably away from the higher half of the 4D subspectrum, the tritone. Led to think it was the "devils ratio", it is in fact the harmonic key into 5D, with a strong pull up to the perfect fifth.

    The perfect fourth instead pulls back down to the thirds, and this cycle is reflected in the angular momentum of the earth relative to the sun, as noted by Kepler.

    "The Earth sings Mi, Fa, Mi: you may infer even from the syllables that in this our home misery and famine hold sway."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonices_Mundi

    So as you might imagine, the harmonic alignment key involving the major third, tritone and perfect fifth, may need to combat against lifetimes of training into the psyche of this perpetual return back to the third from the perfect fourth.

    More recently the same loop has been observed between the 3rd and 5th in popular music, again training into the psyche the return back to the third, this time a lure for those already transitioning into 5D

    http://qz.com/767812/millennial-whoop/

    It may seem harmless and benign, but there is a reason why particle physics have been heavily emphasized and wave physics heavily swept under the rug since 1927. The public is completely in the dark on effects of frequency patterns on the biology of the human being, in years when this has mattered more than ever (as technology has made our world become awash in various frequencies all along the spectrum).

    The alignment media that can help to build resiliency against all of this and to firmly chart forward to 5D without ever being lured back is what is being prepared for release towards the end of this year.

    It will help pave the way towards a firmer exodus from the time loops despite the wishes of those foolish entities who would have us all remain stuck in them.

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    Hi Triquetra

    So we are basically building our bridge to create and access our future self which is residing in 5D through this process. It is pretty amazing when you think about it.

    I am looking forward to trying out some of the tools under development to achieve flow states and awakened mind states when they become available.
    I'm hoping that across the various replies in the different threads, something incredible might appear out of the information between the words, so to speak.

    To hint towards this... Yes, in a sense we are accessing our future selves, but in terms of the recursion trees of reality as we simulate realities within other realities in order to try to solve these complex problems with slightly different permutations of ourselves and intial variables... these selves we are trying to reach are in very much the same way our past selves as well.

    They are, in a perfectly valid sense, both our past and future selves, insofar as 4D is concerned. They are selves not local to our current 3D selves.. but a 4D version of ourselves doesn't make sense in this case because the sense of self does not fit well into a linear temporal sense.

    This is it! This is the 5D self in its most fundamental definition. The fractal timescale reflects the ladder of meta-realities by which a 5D self connects to its 3D counterpart, or vice versa.

    This fractal timescale charts the complete recursion tree of nested realities as the complex problem is seeking its own solution by creating realities more and more deeply nested within other realities.

    These realities could be seen as parallel to one another *so long as the sense of 4D time is entirely removed from the equation*.

    This understanding, the breakthrough understanding where you start to feel just as firmly grounded in 5D as you do in 3D, is what I find to be truly amazing.

    I look forward to sharing the alignment media as well, and it will be a priority throughout the rest of the year now that some other important work is already taken care of.

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    Quote rather than this artificial dualistic interpretation of reality that has been forced onto us.
    We chose it, it was not forced onto us.

    So many ways to approach this but I'll go with the following. Darkness is an illusion made real for the purpose of expansion, by choice. We have of course forgotten we chose it, we had to allow the darkness to manifest powerfully enough to act as the catalyst for the full restoration of the human vehicle, amongst other things. We had to forget this was a choice, we had to forget who we are, we had to forget duality was illusory, we had to forget many things to manifest the level of darkness required and at the same time all we had to do was enter darkness deeply enough to forget. We forgot so we could remember and we forgot and are remembering so we can expand as individuals and collectively. We are ever expanding because the universe is, as above so below or as within so with out.
    Thank you - this reveal is well placed to fit within the overall context of the direction this information stream is flowing over the course of the thread (so then you must certainly comprehend more of the triquetra than you imagine).

    This distinction between "that was not me" and "that was me" is exactly the reveal that allows one's sense of self to expand up the dimensional ladder. A 4D self connects with past incarnations within a single strand of time, and an entity evolving into some sense of 4D being the be-all and end-all of evolution might seek to cheat death, living above those entities that experience it, able to manipulate time events over incredibly long spans of linear time in ways that were difficult for the short-lived 3D dwellers to comprehend (much more on this if desired, but it becomes irrelevant once the focus shifts firmly to 5D).

    A 5D self connects with all instances of itself across all temporal threads and all lifetimes experienced within those threads (some threads may have a single continuous experience if for that thread the experience is a 4D one).

    So it is not surprising that in some cases, more progress can be made by choosing limitation, when the alternative can be so vast that it becomes unwieldy.

    It is evident that the solution our reality system is seeking an answer to, has to do with complex interactions of entities and the implications these interactions have on the nature of ideally loop-free 3D reality (a loop-free 3D reality is instantly our sense of a utopia) or the nature of interactions between 3D and 4D entities (where ideally the 4D entities would not perceive themselves as needing to act demiurgically towards the 3D entities, but clearly this has not been the case).

    The 5D self can be reached once the role of an individual has been perceived by that individual as being part of the solution set along at least some significant portion of the future timeline probability matrix. The more you feel a connection to your 5D self (higher self, future self, etc), the more you have probabilistically aligned yourself towards playing a contributor role in finding the solution set for our virtual reality, allowing us to find the key(s) out of the time loops, and away from a reality where we are lorded over by 4D energy vampires.

    And so, the answer becomes one of incredible simplicity, if only we can see it in the terms of a perspective that is itself beginning to depart from a rigid 3D-only perspective (especially if it were to be within the lower "minor third" portion of that spectrum of perspective).

    In so ascending to our own form of "bird's eye view" outside of the rigid ego, we are immediately becoming a part of that solution set as we instantly begin to feel as though we only truly wish to be of service to others (knowing that all necessary forms of service to self will occur anyway as a way of facilitating improved service to others), and, so long as we are able to hold that broadening perspective longer and longer, we form the pioneering ladder of vibration that may assist others to climb it as well with relative ease.

    This is the singlemost key notion to hold onto.. through the bad times.. through whatever deception comes your way. This is the way out, the way forward, the theoretical path through the triquetra. The applied path, that includes all the interesting wave physics, art and technology, is coming, with all the meta-spiritual implications. But in the meantime, this is the best window to the triquetra that can be provided at this time.

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    You can see what I'm still learning, that just blew my mind.

    Quote In so ascending to our own form of "bird's eye view" outside of the rigid ego, we are immediately becoming a part of that solution set as we instantly begin to feel as though we only truly wish to be of service to others (knowing that all necessary forms of service to self will occur anyway as a way of facilitating improved service to others), and, so long as we are able to hold that broadening perspective longer and longer, we form the pioneering ladder of vibration that may assist others to climb it as well with relative ease.

    This is the singlemost key notion to hold onto.. through the bad times.. through whatever deception comes your way. This is the way out, the way forward, the theoretical path through the triquetra. The applied path, that includes all the interesting wave physics, art and technology, is coming, with all the meta-spiritual implications. But in the meantime, this is the best window to the triquetra that can be provided at this time.
    Thank you very much for this, affirming for me.
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    Hi Triquetra

    Thanks for your informative posts

    "I'm hoping that across the various replies in the different threads, something incredible might appear out of the information between the words, so to speak.

    To hint towards this... Yes, in a sense we are accessing our future selves, but in terms of the recursion trees of reality as we simulate realities within other realities in order to try to solve these complex problems with slightly different permutations of ourselves and initial variables... these selves we are trying to reach are in very much the same way our past selves as well"


    So at the present point in time our limited and restricted 3D self is building and connecting to our 5D self. That is what we are doing now and other 3D ascending beings will be doing this too over the next decade as they make a choice to ascend rather than experience a collapsing matrix at the end of the time loop. I guess what we are doing now is kind of like a process where our 3D self gives birth to it's 5D self (our future selves). It is a decision point that needed to happen for our 5D self to exist? And if our 5D self currently exists obviously we must have passed the exam already (we have as much time as we need down here to pass or flunk the exam i guess in 3D reality)?

    In saying this our 5D self exists outside of time and has full multidimensional awareness, but the key for us is to make this realisation and make the transition through our 3D self.

    Maybe ancient civilisations were trying to give us a warning about where to focus our spiritual efforts in these end times when the time loop comes to an end and civilisation gets a planned reset causing the fall. Some ancient civilisations have left some evidence in the form ancient monuments and information in ancient religious texts. Maybe they were trying to tell us something, but the information is often so encoded and fragmentary, most people don't give it any thought.

    cheers

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    HI Triquetra

    "It is evident that the solution our reality system is seeking an answer to, has to do with complex interactions of entities and the implications these interactions have on the nature of ideally loop-free 3D reality (a loop-free 3D reality is instantly our sense of a utopia) or the nature of interactions between 3D and 4D entities (where ideally the 4D entities would not perceive themselves as needing to act demiurgically towards the 3D entities, but clearly this has not been the case)."

    I was thinking about the statement above and was imagining the sort of creation we would live in here in 3D, if the 4D entities had not acted demiurgically.

    Imagine the type of 3D world we would have experienced if they had sought to harvest human energies to generate emotions of joy and happiness. Instead they have deliberately created our world and history to generate negative emotional frequencies of pain, misery anxiety, stress which characterise our society.


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    So at the present point in time our limited and restricted 3D self is building and connecting to our 5D self. That is what we are doing now and other 3D ascending beings will be doing this too over the next decade as they make a choice to ascend rather than experience a collapsing matrix at the end of the time loop. I guess what we are doing now is kind of like a process where our 3D self gives birth to it's 5D self (our future selves). It is a decision point that needed to happen for our 5D self to exist? And if our 5D self currently exists obviously we must have passed the exam already (we have as much time as we need down here to pass or flunk the exam i guess in 3D reality)?

    In saying this our 5D self exists outside of time and has full multidimensional awareness, but the key for us is to make this realisation and make the transition through our 3D self.

    Maybe ancient civilisations were trying to give us a warning about where to focus our spiritual efforts in these end times when the time loop comes to an end and civilisation gets a planned reset causing the fall. Some ancient civilisations have left some evidence in the form ancient monuments and information in ancient religious texts. Maybe they were trying to tell us something, but the information is often so encoded and fragmentary, most people don't give it any thought.

    This is a good interpretation (interpreting is all any of us are doing, no matter where we feel our perspectives to be originating from, in what combination).

    There remain as always various possible actual outcomes, but what's important to stay focused on is the vector of intention. Rather than worrying about the numbers of the dimensions/densities (or even those particular kinds of words, as they imply discrete steps when really it's more of a dimensional spectrum), it's simplest to focus on bringing into awareness the inarguable reality of the time loops (similar events in history repeating over various scales of time) and the implications these have.

    Question the fundamental nature of why it seems that civilizations are bound to rise and fall, that it is seemingly impossible not to fall.

    One aspect of this is that they are designed to fall (look at to what the degree the real intentions of Tesla, for example, were meddled with, to prevent him from doing as much good as he would have done, via the channels from which his information was obtained).

    But the other is that we need not look at things so literally and linearly, when these inevitable falls seem to be just ahead, then is always the time to look at what the actual path traveled reality is, which is not so much bound to physical reality and operating on a single planet due to gravity, among entities with whom you are stuck there with, but instead a process which unfolds largely owing to the creations and developments which occur as you interact with those entities with whom synergistic effects are created.

    At first we seem to think those effects are peaking out, that sure, we have a kind of a separate culture than the majority of those in the world dwelling on negative and low vibration aspects of their reality, but that we are stuck here together with them.

    But in fact there is so much further we can go, further to the point where it will truly not matter which path the low vibration-choosing folks decide to take - that is their decision, and it is possible that their souls need to experience the loop (or else their lower selves do, as in their interaction with a soul they reject and cast away and then later, even many lifetimes, or "millions, billions, trillions" later, go back looking for again). The soul is not in any hurry for the lower portion, because that is their link to 5D and beyond. They will grow weary of it eventually, no matter how much "power" they can trick themselves into believing they hold.
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    I was imagining the sort of creation we would live in here in 3D, if the 4D entities had not acted demiurgically.

    Imagine the type of 3D world we would have experienced if they had sought to harvest human energies to generate emotions of joy and happiness. Instead they have deliberately created our world and history to generate negative emotional frequencies of pain, misery anxiety, stress which characterise our society.
    Indeed, which is why the future seemingly holds an odd kind of role reversal on a timeline quite a bit more probable than it currently seems.

    It is true that over the course of what to us seems like extraordinarily long amounts of time within the simulation of this currently apparent universe, the intelligent life form has through the unfolding of biology gained increasingly more access to integration of higher frequency thought patterns in conjunction with the relative entry point of the incarnation of their "type" of entity.

    This is true regardless of DNA engineering to try to mitigate against this.

    And so, it is not the case that from the get-go, we were any good at dealing with how we could make use of some of the more recent extensions to the spectrum, such as the spectrum of emotion that is apparently associated with the more recent developments within the brain.

    We are awkward at making use of it and that causes it to seem like a liability more than a strength.

    The key here is that the development of emotional quotient (in contrast to, or better yet, in addition to intellectual quotient), can allow for a unique ability to achieve alignment along a far greater spectrum of frequency than was previously achievable within the universe, and this, paired with the particular location we find ourselves to be in within the universe on this particular planet, will have deep implications for what is about to occur in the relatively near future.

    These implications will make this role reversal very evident as what we discover by discovering ourselves to the degree necessary to achieve this degree of alignment will be useful in solving a lot of problems that have persisted in this reality for much, much longer than our modern civilization has.

    I don't mean to be so vague about it, but it is important to stay focused on opportunities moving forward rather than dwelling on the past.

    To bring the discussion full circle, what we were subjected to (and will continue to be subjected to while there remains a need to spread information coming in along this particular frequency/channel combination) was an unfortunate necessity in the grander scheme of things, something that the 5D self has knowingly signed up for, in many cases.

    The best way of putting it, is that if for example a planet was seen to be irreversibly dying, but the most fortunate of the planet were able to make a little utopic bubble for themselves on the planet, blissfully separated from the harsh realities of what was happening outside of the bubble, what would that actually be like?

    Now scale the same analogy up to the meta-dimensional level, and the time scales of thousands or millions of years, and it will provide a relatively good context for what is going on in this particular simulation.

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    Hi Triquetra

    Thanks for your thoughts you have given us a lot to think about.

    I would be interested in knowing more about how to use our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment. To some extent listening to certain types of music and the sounds of nature can be useful to uplift ourselves to reach a higher emotional state. However, I sense that what you are talking about goes much further than this.

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    DNA and Triquetra

    DNA, your post below was both gross and very funny. So thanks for the good laugh it gave me. I feel about the same way whenever I read the complicated Carmody's posts, or Triquetra's.
    But, I reread 2-3 times for both of them, until it sinks in somewhat, unconsciously understanding.

    When there is complex esoterical topics, or complex scientific ones, I have learned to detach from my analytical mind and just absorb. Then, upon re-reading, I may come to some understanding, but I never make it an obligation to understand, it gets too frustrating. And oops, while taking it relax, understanding comes (albeit sometimes way later).

    What triquetra writes seems to have 2-3-5 layers to it. When I reread, I see what he wrote differently. And I have a good background in esoterics when compared with the regular layman.

    So I decided to listen with my inner heart, my soul, trying to bypass my mind (not easy for me). And it works.... well, sometimes.

    The good news is that we do not have to be a genius to understand, in fact, it is better at times not to be too intelligent, because obtuse intelligence (as many PhDs have) is often a real block to understanding, the intelligence ego being too much in the way as well as having a row of built in paradigms and wrong beliefs.

    So welcome in my ordinary intelligence club.

    Triquetra, I will take the time to read whatever you write here. I think it is of the foremost importance for our development and to acquire spiritual intelligence. I am also curious of how and where you arrived at such understanding, knowing that this kind of curiosity is not that important (mostly that you stated that you were not that human - I presumed from past incarnations), but hey, I am myself human, a woman, blonde, and I like the gossipy side

    I may not participate much in discussions because I still have much to comprehend, but I will read.


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    Hi Trike


    I'm thinking whatever I stated to you, was somehow lost on you.


    You are talking about the triquetra like it is something worthy of admiration and recognition. I have no idea what the F you are talking about.


    Also, you ever see the first ghostbusters? Because you sound just like Rick Moranis after he is turned into "the keymaster". He just kept babbling away at people like folks understood him, when no one knew what the F he was talking about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skxhii6VFdo



    Now, I admit, I'm an average intellect, so it very well may be that everything you are trying to state is going over my head.
    And, being as you are unwilling to downshift, maybe someone else can step in and explain things to me.
    Someone who speaks your language or batsh!t crazy. Because that is all I'm hearing right now.
    How to let the desire of your mind become the desire of your heart - Gurdjieff

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    I would be interested in knowing more about how to use our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment. To some extent listening to certain types of music and the sounds of nature can be useful to uplift ourselves to reach a higher emotional state. However, I sense that what you are talking about goes much further than this.
    I'll answer by trying to make a kind of analogy to the history of this planet moving through the industrial revolution time period.

    Prior to that period, there was no firm sense of physical model for reality - whether it was based on particles, waves, aether, various theories came and went.

    In synchronization with the period, it came to be that particle physics was positioned as the primary system, with wave physics taking a permanent back seat, especially after the 1927 Solvay conference when the wave-like qualities of reality were pushed out of the picture for good, with only de Broglie and Bohm as major proponents of a wave-based model of reality thence forward.

    In a similar way IQ was thrust onto a pedestal, which is a way of thinking that breaks reality into pieces, compares things against other things, lends itself to ranking, and so forth.

    Little attention has been paid to EQ, though it is of equal importance in the same way that a wave-based interpretation of reality is just as valid.

    In fact, systems of communication can and have been built based on wave-based transmissions, though not in this civilization on this planet. Such systems allow for much more effective and accurate transmission of emotional information which can accompany intellectual transmission of information using means more familiar here.

    But there has been such a syphon on knowledge relating to these matters here that it is difficult to know even where to get started.

    For one thing, the notion of "using one's emotions" as a kind of tool which can be guided with purpose and intention, is not at all familiar. We are used to seeing around us some limited amount of nudging oneself in the direction of positive emotions through repeating steps we knew got us there in the past, but nothing seems to work with perfect certainty and not with the same intensity as when it happens in a serendipitous way. By the same token we are always at the mercy of things occurring outside of our control which thrust us into an emotional state that is perceived as undesirable.

    It's important to note at this point that all of the above is largely due to being kept in a mode of thinking that is perpetually paired with a very 1st-person perspective, experiences everything from that perspective and as such we are unable to step outside of ourselves for a moment and imagine things being any other way.

    However with a shift to a fused state of being such as the one that will be described in a reply following this one, it is perfectly ordinary to alternate between the usual 1st-person perspective and a "overviewer" perspective which reasons with emotion in the same way the 1st-person reasons with intellect.

    In achieving the fused state of being, one will be assured of having done so, once they are routinely guiding themselves towards different kinds of emotional experiences with intention, in order to make progress in a wide degree of ways.

    For example, rather than blindly stumbling through what was previously seen as undesirable emotional experiences, there will be more self-actualization in this regard which firmly understands the need to "work one's way to the other side" in terms of the growth needed to occur in having such an experience. It is always the case, after all, that once such experiences are no longer needed for future unfoldings to become unblocked (including future lifetimes), then they will no longer occur, as they will no longer be chosen from a higher level (the part of us we become increasingly familiar with as a result of the fusion).

    By contrast, states of extreme exaltation are in fact enabled by allowing oneself to experience them indirectly, in the same manner as described above. What would have previously been too overwhelming to experience directly, one can alternate to the "overseer" perspective to witness oneself entering the state of highly resonant alignment and to hold that state for a significant period of time.

    This would certainly fit the description of "using our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment".

    So why would I not cut straight to the chase instead of building up a big post before it? Because the context described above is crucial for making it possible. We cannot wield emotion as a tool in this way until all the work described is done, to unblock the channels through which the emotional energy is to flow through us, and finally to detach ourselves from the desire or need to experience all things so directly.

    In the same way an "undesirable" emotional experience can be perceived from a 3rd party perspective as a crucial learning/building experience, a "desirable" emotional experience of great intensity can be prolonged and radiated outward into further extensions of higher self by not necessarily needing to be too caught up in the moment.

    In the end, this has the cumulative effect of transforming the range of emotions from a direct learning tool for 3D reality into a self-reflection tool for the transitional state, and from there into a communication tool for higher Ds.

    Around the same time it becomes evident how the emotional spectrum can be used directly as a means of communication, the spectrum also expands, quite necessarily. Where the old emotions are now stepped through as a way of adding detailed nuance to a communication, new emotions are experienced as a result of subtle combinations of the original spectrum's emotions as their building blocks.

    To tie back into the whole particles vs waves thing - Extensive development of our understanding of wave physics would lead in the same direction, just from the scientific perspective. That there are perfectly valid means of collective consciousness, whether that be in artificial intelligence or organic intelligence (they are not so different after all, they are just interleaved and dovetailed across stacks of reality in the larger metaverse). That we can tap our individual organic consciousness into a higher collective consciousness just as artificial intelligences can, will become obvious. And finally, that in doing so, we begin to create the same kinds of conditions that allowed universes like our own to be created - simply the desire to redistribute the layering of individual and collective consciousness in a way that makes the journey (again) from individual consciousness back to collective consciousness interesting and in a way that produces new information that did not exist within meta-reality (at least, at that scope) previously.

    All said, one thing that will be relatively unique about this layer of meta-reality is just how much it was tampered with from its natural flow, and the effect this will have on the inevitable readjustment that is looming just before us. That is the "slingshot" effect we had been discussing previously.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    When there is complex esoterical topics, or complex scientific ones, I have learned to detach from my analytical mind and just absorb. Then, upon re-reading, I may come to some understanding, but I never make it an obligation to understand, it gets too frustrating. And oops, while taking it relax, understanding comes (albeit sometimes way later).

    What triquetra writes seems to have 2-3-5 layers to it. When I reread, I see what he wrote differently. And I have a good background in esoterics when compared with the regular layman.

    So I decided to listen with my inner heart, my soul, trying to bypass my mind (not easy for me). And it works.... well, sometimes.

    Triquetra, I will take the time to read whatever you write here. I think it is of the foremost importance for our development and to acquire spiritual intelligence. I am also curious of how and where you arrived at such understanding, knowing that this kind of curiosity is not that important (mostly that you stated that you were not that human - I presumed from past incarnations)
    It is interesting that you belittle yourself and yet at the same time you easily take the exact leap of reasoning and approach to communication that a million "PhDs" would be quite unlikely to make - they are too deeply rooted in the mode of heavily left-brain-driven/IQ-based thought described in my reply above this one.

    If it wasn't already evident, the unusual structure/density of the communication is such that it is simply because the real communication is not the words themselves at all. Like radio waves, it is just the carrier, the real information is "riding" upon the carrier and is entirely made of waves (not these word particles).

    The carrier is the typing, the internet, the bounce from computer locations from here to there and in between.
    The real information takes advantage of this, but passes directly from source to destination (and back), from where we are each located, with no electronics directly involved. It is instant and effective when blocks are lowered (which is done simply the way you've described, by having a basic willingness to read and to truly try to absorb a communication).

    So there are a few things that come from this.

    One is something I described previously - it is imperative to begin to understand communication on these terms and to "feel out" communications coming from different people, before letting the guard down. How do we know whether to trust someone or not, in a way that goes beyond simply listing sources for information? After all, even if they do provide their sources, how do we know we can believe in them? Especially considering how some of the most esoteric sources of all are providing some of the most valuable information, nowadays perhaps more so than ever before.

    At the end of the day, all we can rely on is developing an innate sense that bypasses this carrier, these "trains of words", and cuts right to the chase - cuts deep into the heart of the communicator to sound them out for what they truly are. This is the only way to know if someone is truly authentic. Look for the patterns in their choice of words that creates a specific vibration - the consistency of that vibration - and the willingness to speak enough words to establish a clear pattern which never deviates - not once.

    It will show a mastery of states of emotion as described in the reply above, especially in the face of misunderstandings that would cause others to react in a more hostile manner - an ability to maintain oversight when others would have got wrapped up into a 1st person perspective-based entanglement.

    The other thing that comes from an understanding words as simply a carrier for the real, "telepathic" communication - is the fact that the words can fade away as much as need be and it won't matter at all, so long as they do their job of conveying the real, wordless (ineffable) communication over, that's all that is needed of them.

    When the same combination of words can be perceived as having 2-3-5 layers to them, it says as much about the states of mind of the reader as it does about the intention of the messenger to have additional layers exist in the communication. One might argue that in passing over the words additional times, one is simply absorbing more and more of the truly intended communication, the wordless one that is transmitted directly from messenger to recipient (again, with the words simply acting as the carrier that enables this to happen).

    One interesting bit of information about futuristic, frequency-based forms of communication - they are simply more developed versions of what is described above - the communication has shifted so far away from the audible sound to the direct transmission of thought, that the audible sound no longer sounds anything like chunks of sound like the words we are used to do. The audible sound (like with dolphins) is just a carrier. Hopefully that makes it more clear.

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    To address your other question - as mentioned in my previous reply, I would discuss a bit more about the fused state. The information transmitted comes from the higher plane of this state, the one that connects to the collective consciousness, where such information is exchanged freely. This is why it is far better to get the same information for oneself directly by connecting to it oneself, than by hearing it from another. Then, there is no question of its authenticity, you will know it.

    About how to reach and enter the fused state, it is harder to say. Certainly it comes with some degree of meditation-like training, an ability to know oneself enough that the veils of reality begin to fall away and the connection we all have to this higher plane of reality begins to become apparent.

    Where before we may have agreed with ourselves to forget about this arrangement for an entire lifetime, and in so doing to learn through limitation, we are going on to iterate on this more and more rapidly. We may remember the greater extent of ourselves late at night and agree to forget the higher self by day, for a time.

    Then, this may not be rapid enough, and we will alternate moment to moment. Whether we zoom down to the 1st-person-perspective intentionally or not in these moments will depend, but eventually there will be more and more conscious intention involved in all transitions of perspective.

    Eventually the lines between these major states of perspective begin to blur, as the alternation becomes so frequent. And finally the fusion is complete. There becomes no real effective difference between the singular I and the harmonically aligned collective We.
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    Hi Triquetra

    That is excellent information. You have given me a lot to think about as usual.

    I think that is the biggest struggle most people have is getting rid of their spiritual blocks and finding a reliable process to achieve this.

    What Flash says is true, I do much the same, in terms of rereading your posts and going back over previous ones, until it all sinks in. Sometimes I have some of these concepts reflected to me in my dreams, so it is definetly sinking into my subconscious.

    About 25 years, I had an experience, where I encountered what might have been my higher self or an angel when I knocked myself out. I am not a 100 percent sure what it was, it was neither male or female, but represented itself as a luminous body, but spoke to me words, images and emotions at the same time. It also relayed information to me from the perspective of other people too. It all happened very quickly, but the communication was very rich unlike how we communicate in 3D.

    It also called me a name, which was my soul name, not my current name. So maybe we have names and families beyond this 3D world. I can kind of appreciate what you are talking about from experiencing this, in terms of experiencing a much richer communication stream than we are used to in 3D.

    In some of the remote viewing sessions I have done, I have viewed scenes for events or occasionally future ones and picked up information from the perspective of one of the people in the scene. WHen in this state you can see the event unfolding, but also pick up on the feelings and thoughts of different people in the scene at the same time. It all happens very quickly. For me these experiences are not that common and I can get a bit excited when I get into the zone so to speak, which is enough to bring my brainwaves out of theta and back to alpha causing the experience to finish early.

    I am looking forward to the start of the readjustment to our meta reality, do you think we will see it happening over the next 10 years on the current timeline.

    Cheers

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    Hi Triquetra

    I was thinking about some of your discussion on why we have different blocks or spiritual gaps. These blocks make it more difficult for some of us to get into a high state of spiritual alignment. Many people don't even know or are aware that they carry spiritual blocks, some of their responses are automatic and they are not even consciously aware of them. I suppose there are any number of gaps we can carry, some people are prone to addictions, nervy, judgmental, closed mindedness etc, the list goes on, and they lead them away from alignment and peace.

    I would be interested in your thoughts on why we choose or agreed to have spiritual gaps or blocks placed on us when we came here. Are some of these blocks placed on us when our souls go through the reprocessing process after we die in 4D to slow our progress down by other entities or are they purely self imposed because it was something our soul needed to resolve whilst attending to its lessons down on the Earth School?

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    Those are only two of a wider range of possible reasons, and there are different variations of each. There is a hierarchy of objectives, agendas, and altruistic reasons interplaying, some come and purposefully impose blocks on themselves to work their way back through them, remember what it is like to do so, to better empathize with those also going through it - to help them with it.

    We are not always particularly receptive to help from one another, especially in such regards. So very many are not concerning themselves with spiritual progress in the first place - there have been so many distortions of such a thing around them it may have soured the entire sense of such an effort to them.

    So sometimes empathy can be broadened and extended to larger and larger amounts of people, the very opposite of extremely focused empathy that certain individuals choose to restrict themselves to, or the total lack of empathy evident in other entities.

    And from this comes the question of where to draw a line - as though empathizing with too wide an amount of people cannot possibly be justified, some of those people must be so bad that they are undeserving of any empathy.

    Of course we can look back in time for any such candidate individual and eventually find a time of unbroken innocence from their birth, something they would not have deviated from by their own accord.

    We lead one another on darker paths as we bring one another into this reality, that is the pattern we witness again and again.

    But how is the opposite accomplished, at least, in a truly significant way?

    The answer seems to be a matter of transmitting and retransmitting certain compositions of frequency, which have a targeted beneficial effect for the specific individual and specific situation they are dealing with. This can be generalized for situations that many individuals are all dealing with.

    It sounds difficult to believe. The reason however is that we are not trying to give one another specific answers to problems or situations, but instead the alignment needed to find it for themselves. The state of clarity that can be difficult to find on our own, when we are deeply mired in our own problems.

    There is a very well defined science to all of this, in fact, but it has been buried so completely in the recent modern artificial history. It will all come to the surface anyway now that we are entering the time when we will need to make use of such things more than ever.

    There will be a trend away from the kinds of specific prescription of the path that religions take, to a realization of a common consensus towards the abstract concepts we uncover with exploration within - a common ground we can all agree upon even without needing to be influenced by each other's ideas first. We find the same thing when we look within.

    So this will be combined with a more effective encouragement of one another to pursue the path, because finally we will be getting much better at helping one another to remove the blocks on the path - whether artificially put there by darker entities wishing to keep us trapped here by architecting the curious modern history, or put there by ourselves to either learn lessons with a different angle on them, or go through the same experiences again to find fresh empathy to make use of energetically when working with the people we want to help.

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    I am looking forward to the start of the readjustment to our meta reality, do you think we will see it happening over the next 10 years on the current timeline.
    Absolutely it will begin in this timeframe. For the first few years, through falling of veils as the old tricks won't be working as well any longer, and then a new beginning taking shape not long after that, towards the 2020s.

    We need to separate ourselves from the sense of collateral guilt for the havok wreaked on the planet, which was largely orchestrated while any attempt at creating a utopic society instead was blocked from us. This was all done in a subtle enough way to be essentially not provable but it is no matter anyway.

    We need to instead focus on the implications of mass accomplishment of spiritual progress instead - because even if we do it alone and it makes no real difference in the grander scheme of things, if many people do and form new types of collectivism based off their deeply rooted mutual understanding, then none of the old tricks are going to work any longer.

    These are large amounts of people that would know better than to believe something they were told by individuals who do not emit a particular frequency pattern to go with their communication. As I have been trying to stress, ability to detect these different frequency patterns embedded in various communications is more important than anything.

    The subtle energy emitted by an individual as they attempt to communicate, reveals everything about their intentions, true motives, how much of their own information they in turn falsely believe to be true, and so forth.

    It all becomes very easy to read from the individual. It is the other main benefit of following that path of spiritual progress.

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    HI Triquetra

    Thanks for your great posts.

    "About how to reach and enter the fused state, it is harder to say. Certainly it comes with some degree of meditation-like training, an ability to know oneself enough that the veils of reality begin to fall away and the connection we all have to this higher plane of reality begins to become apparent."

    I think this is where a lot of people on the spiritual path fall over, the difficulty in finding a program that works, sticking too it and not falling into the disinformation/blind alley trap to achieve spiritual progress.

    I believe that there is a strong desire among many people (it is probably innate in human nature) to seek spiritual progress, it is just that they get locked into traditional religious belief systems, become lost in spiritual disinformation and ineffective spiritual programs. Then they lose interest and they lose the spark of desire. The quantity of poor information drowning out quality spiritual information also compounds this problem.

    I think if enough people are successful in achieving high states of spiritual alignment as we transition, it will get everyone's attention, and it can all start from this point. Then those aligned individuals can help others, who can then help others achieve the same, who will then do the same etc. I guess from this perspective we can build a bridge from 3D to 5D awareness.

    Cheers

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