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    Interesting cosmic psy-ops all around...

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    However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
    [...]
    Let's reverse the above... and one gets that a world where there's no one to get one but oneself is as equally as illusory as its opposite... however, it leads to an even tighter trap: a psy-op world created by a psychopath to straight-jacket its victims.
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    I find your POV interesting but sometimes you seem to be so sure that only your view is right and the others are wrong.
    So are you not also saying then, that there can be no one out there that actually knows the real truth?

    And why would you believe someone like Bashar and not me... for instance... although I have never claimed anything.

    Do we have to write books and make videos before we qualify to know truth?

    What assures humans that what is been said is truth?
    How do humans know when something is truth... when humans are still like babies... in consciousness... yet many claim to know so much... but would not know truth if it were placed before their eyes.

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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Interesting cosmic psy-ops all around...

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    [...]
    However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
    [...]
    Let's reverse the above... and one gets that a world where there's no one to get one but oneself is as equally as illusory as its opposite... however, it leads to an even tighter trap: a psy-op world created by a psychopath to straight-jacket its victims.
    I suppose it depends what you have read and choose to believe Herve
    Eckhart Tolle said "There never was anyone there to do anything to you"
    That is known to him directly--don't ask me how.

    However we have to act in accordance with the relative truth level that we find ourself at.
    At my level if the house catches on fire I call the fire brigade.

    At the level of enlightenment that's a different story, though the fire brigade will get called.
    Ramana Maharshi said that Creation and Dissolution never happened.

    In non duality its timeless and there is only "One without a second"

    Fair enough this not my experience but I have read it and heard it over and over again.

    All is the thought of God and I am that---all is illusion---exactly the same as what appears in a dream--very very very real.

    I can say that since I started reading the words of enlightened sages and doing what was suggested to the best of my ability my life has changed beyond recognition.
    Im easy with whatever happens in life--I can smile in the face of adversity, I know that I am not the body, I have no fear of death or what comes after.
    I enjoy life fully.
    From my perspective it is time well spent.

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    I simply know from experience Ray, it's not about belief...
    This world is a reflection of one's consciousness...
    when one person has a different consciousness they necessarily have to exist in a different world. They obviously cannot exist in the same universe anymore.

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    But unlike others I do not accept anything unless I have hard evidence. Evidence not in form of spiritual evidence but in real life evidence.

    To say you will find evidence only when one reaches certain level of consciousness is once again accepting something that has no real evidence.

    Unless I see evidence of different level of consciousness I would not accept there is anything called "levels of consciousness"

    All of my spiritual beliefs are based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence.
    The very method you have chosen... which is... "based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence" has come from prior ignorance of the very stuff science rejected before it became common knowledge.

    It is a well know fact proven by science ( and remember science in itself is a divided world) that main stream science is ignorant of spiritual life.

    So you are right, and I agree, that under normal circumstances, we should only accept what is observable to us... but then if this is so, for you, how come you have said: "Whatever I know is from my intuitive rational mind and "inner spirit"." when a statement like this is not yet "based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence"?

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    Love and Peace
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    I simply know from experience Ray, it's not about belief...
    This world is a reflection of one's consciousness...
    when one person has a different consciousness they necessarily have to exist in a different world. They obviously cannot exist in the same universe anymore.
    Yes you are correct... different consciousness... different world.

    But they are not parallel in the sense that they are different in time and space... they are in the same time and space as everyone else's 'parallel' world.
    We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about... because of our individual ignorance... and I only use the word ignorance because it means we don't know something yet... but we are not stupid and incarnations allow us to learn and know what this real reality is about.

    What I am saying is that as we grow in consciousness these so called 'parallel' universes (worlds) become the same world because there is only one real reality.

    This is the entire secret to unity and love... we come together with our own individual experiences... as one... for the purpose of been of service to those not yet in the real reality.

    Life is about service to others... in our beautiful difference... not making carbon copies out of people... but bringing one another together in peace and harmony.

    Take care now
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    We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about...
    But how would this work for example; if my idea is that this person lives in this house and this persons idea to live in another house in their reality?
    How could the same earth accommodate different realities?

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    Reincarnation is poorly understood concept altogether ..but then , the answer targets your very understanding of your existence ,
    that can be both conceptual and non=conceptual or , either .

    What's important to you is that you as a self-awareness exist and upon deeper inquiry you will find that you've always existed , and will continue existing in future ..

    from purely material perspective it's of course , idea impossible to prove but likewise , any of those ideas exist to each other in relativistic universe of changing definitions ,
    if you contemplate your *self* as illusory it appears like perfect illusion ,

    if you contemplate it is eternal and beyond change

    you may encounter eternity ..


    is not any individual Self but a reflection of countless other selves , yet ... manifesting sovereign and unique pattern of greater Existence ?



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    I have thought that reincarnation was a waste of diapers.

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    What's important to you is that you as a self-awareness exist and upon deeper inquiry you will find that you've always existed , and will continue existing in future ..
    Well all we have are thought's to say that reincarnation exists or does not exist.
    It is strange that we can take on a thought and claim it reality... but without this procedure what reality would be left over?
    So in the end nothing can be proven and this goes for everything including what I just said.

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    We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about...
    But how would this work for example; if my idea is that this person lives in this house and this persons idea to live in another house in their reality?
    How could the same earth accommodate different realities?
    How would you know if the other person was living in another house in his reality?
    Why don't you go ask someone if they are living in a different house in their reality?
    How do you even know that that person living in your reality lives in another reality?

    You see there is just no logic to it... only some belief or illusion of another reality in space and time.

    The different realities are in the mind which has created them as an illusion and we think they're real... but they are not.

    Trust your 5 physical senses only if the person next to you agrees with you or if you know from actual experience what it is you're sensing.
    Eventually after many incarnations we eventually realise just who we are and how to control our minds ourselves, without others influencing it, and confusing us with the wrong idea of the real reality.

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    I don't know what you are saying Ray.
    The thing is I have seen physical reality change as I change my mind.
    So that is one of the reasons (among other experiences) I said that there are parallel realities
    but if you can explain your theory so that it makes sense to me I might change my mind.

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    Quote Posted by EmEx (here)
    I don't know what you are saying Ray.
    The thing is I have seen physical reality change as I change my mind.
    So that is one of the reasons (among other experiences) I said that there are parallel realities
    but if you can explain your theory so that it makes sense to me I might change my mind.
    Are you on any kind of substance?
    The physical world is what it is because of collective thought as well as design by advanced Beings... you cannot change it.

    We can, however, change anything in our minds... our perceptions can alter as our minds wonder in the illusion... or due to drugs or other self inflicted or forced inflicted ways.

    I certainly would not want you to change your mind because I convinced you... that would just be another belief in your mind.

    We all must come to our own realisation of the real reality in time... It is sometimes a spontaneous event, but usually it happens in one of our lives after man lives of consciousness growth.

    All higher Selves... advanced Beings... see the same reality... All humans will also... in time.

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    What you truly are can not be captured, interfered with, changed in any way and is eternal.
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    I agree. Though there are many in ignorance regarding the true self and it appears that there are those who perpetuate and manipulate this ignorance.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    With respect there have been similar threads and some will believe this so and some will not.
    However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
    That does not really happen but in the illusion of duality it will certainly seem to do so.

    Chris
    Again this appears to be the agenda of those who would manipulate belief in order to control.

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    Quote Posted by cryptoguru (here)
    When you mention "archons interfering with the natural cycle of reincarnation", I believe there are certain negative spiritual entities that are quite powerful but not as powerful as the "neu spirits" but can influence most of us through their "magic" and "lure" and ensure our "neu" never wakes up and we continue to remain in the end less cycle of life and death which they can then easily manipulate.

    I have been in this trap for most part of my life until I went into "silent meditation" and found out the truth.

    So it is all upto us to first awaken our "inner spirit" or "neu" and then energize it through meditation and escape this cycle of life and death.

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    I have proposed that we live in our own universe and continue to live the same life over and over again with the only difference being that in the next life cycle we may have a better environment depending how bright our "neu" or "inner spirit" is and a worse environment if it is very dark.

    The only way to exit this cycle is to become a "neu spirit" which means your "inner spirit" has attained enough energy to escape the cycle of life and death and be able to exist as a conscious entity without needing a body and be anywhere and everywhere.

    This is what was experienced by Jesus, Buddha and other prophets and saints and now they are all "neu spirits".

    So we are reincarnated every time in a copy of the earlier life and it is an aberration when a "neu" enters another body for reasons I have not yet explored or dawned on me.

    Therefore it is important to awaken our "neu" and energize it in each life through meditation and living a "neutral" life and eventually escape the infinite life cycle.
    Thanks for your reply, what you say does seem to go along with the traditional view about reincarnation as taught by religions and mystery schools.

    I was more interested in discussing the subject along the lines of the archons interfering with the natural cycle of reincarnation and trapping us here with a false past life review and a memory wipe.

    It has also been been said that the corrupt demiurge created all the worlds religions as a means of perpetuating this system of slavery through many incarnations. http://montalk.net/gnosis/171/corrup...f-the-demiurge
    Although i am not familiar with your terminology, i agree.

    If there is a reincarnation trap then empowering knowledge of it and of our self would be the solution. It does not help for those who believe they are an insignificant speck in an accidental meaningless universe.

    We have been tricked into believing a false perception of who we truly are.[COLOR="red"]

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    This is the only thing that you need do for vision, happiness, release
    from pain, and the complete escape from sin, all to be given you. Say only
    this, but mean it with no reservations, for here the power of salvation
    lies:

    I am responsible for what I see. I chose the feelings I
    experience, and I decided on the goal I would achieve. And everything that
    seems to happen to me I asked for and received as I had asked.

    Deceive yourself no longer that you are helpless in the face of what is done to
    you. Acknowledge but that you have been mistaken, and all effects of your
    mistakes will disappear.
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    I choose to be my own salvation. The most disempowering thing that i have heard is "I made you". If i am eternal then i was not created i have always been.

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    It would not surprise me greatly if Darwin was familiar with or even directly inspired to his theory of evolution by concept of karma

    as it is where you find the whole key scenario of reincarnation - evolution , the 4 Yugas , evolution epochs ,
    10 Avatars of Vishnu starting from Fish , Turtle , Boar , Dwarf , Lionman , Warrior , Prince and a Sage .

    Now this type of reincarnation happens over long periods of time ..

    you become what you imagine to be



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    Quote Posted by darthtoaster (here)
    Just adding my input. The system is automated, going into the light is wonderful, the rest period is wonderful, not going into the light is not wonderful and leaves one experiencing various things repeatedly that aren't pleasant, the living can assist some of the restless into the light very much like the Ghost Whisperer series (I have on occasions, over 150), we are forced back into another life but we go willingly and happily when the time comes, there is a small amount of choice involved in that, archon's are an ancient race of reptilians who somehow draw on dark energy and are "sustained" by it, these reptilians set up the current order of humanity to cyclically stir dark energy by which they feed, and .... (breathe lol) ... the neu spirit mentioned above is very accurate and attainable for each of us. Run on sentence

    I can expand on any of these points if desired, if not, my input is be mindful of Chris's words - fear not basically. No need to create more than is there. We are powerful

    Much love. I love this post string
    All i know of the afterlife is what i have been told, and i must admit that i mistrust NDE's that promote 'going to the light', considering the amount of psychic manipulation around and the intentional obfuscation of the psychic and the spiritual.

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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Are you on any kind of substance?
    I meant manifestation...circumstances and people in life changing as I change my mind.
    For example when I changed the people in my life changed too, how is that possible if there are not many realities?

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