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    I have been researching and seeking life's mystery in this life for around 50 years.

    I have been personally involved in all religions, all philosophies, mystical cults, seance rooms, drug taking, meditations for years, Out of body practice... you name it I'v been there and tried them all... all to lay my hands on the holy grail of truth.

    During every one of these experiences I was convinced I was now the expert... now I knew it all..until I found the next one and again my big ego would spur me on to great heights of grandeur... always the ego was in charge.

    Now... each day I look back and realise the vast amounts of experience I have accumulated throughout my current life... and you know what... I'm waiting for the next thing to come along...why?

    Because today and every day of my life I realise just how little I know... how much I still need to make me truly grasp truth... because truth cannot be learned from a book or from someone else's ramblings and fiction... truth can only come from our life's experiences and from that which we have been able to re-remember from our extensive past life.

    No one... except those... who we will never even recognize, even if they stood next to us and told us the truth... knows quite where they are in their consciousness growth and their development.

    Reincarnation is not a scheme worked out by some dark system of Archons, or whatever some want to believe, which traps us into some cycle...

    It is a method of life which is necessary for us to have as much time as we like... to grow our consciousness and refine our characters and attitudes... which will allow us to access and join those in the next higher kingdom of life where unity and love and brotherhood is the way.

    If we only had one life, not one of us would even come close to the refinement of vibration we need to enter this beautiful world... waiting for each one of us.

    We have each... with no exceptions had thousands of incarnations up to this time...since we first incarnated as humans into early ape men some 20 million years ago.

    No one can even come close to harming us when we complete each life... because there are natural laws which prevent this... there are also great bands of the most beautiful Beings called Augoeides (Light Beings) who guard and assist us at death of the body.

    It is true that some of us may get stuck in the lower emotional(astral) planes... and it is true that some may have a torrid time due to their imaginations and fear... but even in these cases there are people who assist these who need help.

    I have been fortunate in my life during out of body practice to be called on to assist many a 'soul' who was confused or in fear, or stuck, in these dark wet astral planes... and I would like to give you just one such account.

    Recently, during the Libyan war I was able to assist 3 young children from the bombed ruins of a block of homes. They came out from under some stairs amongst the rubble and had no idea they were actually 'killed' and we helped them to move into the higher emotional world where we all go immediately after each life to join our family... our clan from where we come.

    Life is the most beautiful thing in existence because existence is all there is... those forces who attempt to make our lives a hell are certainly alive and well... but the only thing that gives them power is our own fear and ignorance of life.

    Those who live their lives in service to others and give unconditionally love to all mankind cannot be reached by the dark brothers because their only field of strength is the lower areas of the emotional(astral) world.

    Those who live lives of greed, the murderers and the power hungry, those who insist on following the path of destruction of life... all are our brothers who seek help even if they themselves cannot come to terms with it yet... they are the ones who have spent the most amount of lives... in reincarnating to attempt to one day turn their lives into lives of love for man.

    The quickest way to finish the cycle of reincarnation is up to each one of us and no one but ourselves is responsible for the amount of times which we will need to return...

    No one is free unless you free yourself

    Take care and my love.
    Ray

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    Love and peace
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    Ray there is a lot to be said for experience such as you shared.
    With this comes wisdom and discernment.

    Basically there is only fear or love.
    Anything that promotes fear does not exist according to ACIM if I remember correctly.

    I keep repeating, smiling, In who's interest is it to install fear, promote anything that creates fear, why those who feed on the energy of fear.
    It does not matter whether the seeming cause of fear is real or just a terror story produced to cause fear--the end result is people get frightened.

    I have experienced extreme terror--first as a four year old child--seeing chariots of fire in the sky good angels fighting the dark, a waking nightmare night after night eyes closed eyes open no difference.
    I asked God for help, it came instantly.

    Then in my late twenties delirium tremors withdrawing from alcohol.
    I again asked for help, a series of coincidences took me to AA --A Power greater than myself saved my life.
    I have the greatest faith in God---I now know that I am praying to Self.

    The reason I share all this is, not everyone can resist fear, as in stories that are designed to provoke fear.
    Many are weak and vulnerable to lower astral influence.
    I was.

    Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Many are weak and vulnerable to lower astral influence.
    All weakness and vulnerability to lower astral influence comes from lack of knowledge of the nature of this world.

    Very few people actually have astral entity attacks contrary to what many claim.
    Most terror and fear comes from telepathic influence from right here on this physical plane.

    Those who abuse substances like drugs and alcohol and rituals are the exception... They are the most vulnerable simply because these practices can cause a loosening of the emotional and mental envelopes from the physical body which can allow dark entities to influence or even possess the body.

    Every case is different of course so I am just giving a general view based on my experience... I have helped many people in the astral and in the physical with entity molestation.

    Calling on your God for help is more strange than most who believe in a god will actually know.
    In reality, while we are incarnate we each have 1 Augoeides who is our guardian throughout our millions of years of incarnations.
    This Being is our God while we are in our early stages of consciousness growth.

    This Being however is not able to reach down into lower astral worlds because of it's high vibration, so we are kind of left to our own devises until we get the message from those in the physical that certain practices can cause severe psychological problems.

    In some cases thus, and when it is warranted more advanced humans who are in the higher astral planes can assist or they can send out a call to someone in a physical body, with the nohow, to assist someone who is experiencing entity molestation.

    Just some info for interest.
    Ray

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    There is some excellent advice that has been around for a while - Do not resist an evil person.

    Grinning here. I'm fighting every impulse to counter, point for point, false words and ideas. Instead, I will state simple things whichshould illustrate some points.

    I will begin with Bill Ryan. Bill has publically stated for the record that black magic exists and that he has been a target of said magic. I have as well. There are many others who have experienced such attacks. Why? What is it that leads to some people being targeted and others not? Is it drug use, participation in ritual practice, or mental and emotional instability? No. There are plenty of drug users who are blissfully and naively high and unbothered by anything. There are people who practice various rituals who do not turn into serial killers like David Berkowitz (who did participate in rituals). There are plenty of people with mental illness who have no outside interference. It is their mind they wrestle with.

    Let us understand what we're dealing with. First, if a person is using the phrase "entity molestation" such as Ray did, that particular phrase has been specifically designed to associate the word molestation with what is actually a psychic attack. That is a nasty trick. The effect is obvious - it makes people not want to approach the subject, it drives a conversation in desired dire tions or kills it outright. A similar thing was done to our soldiers and George Carlin did an entire piece on this - over the span of decades and many wars, "shell shock" became more and more clinical and depersonalized, by which now it is "post traumatic stress disorder". These semantic games are tools of the trade when dealing with what are literal agents of the system. The general effect when dealing with those subject to psychic attacks is to subliminally associate that person with a sexual crime - molestation. Again, that's a nasty trick.

    What are we talking about here regarding interference in peoples lives by outside, malevolent entities? Are we talking about people who "deserved it" because of drug use, ritual or mental and emotional weakness? No, in many cases they earned it by doing their best to tell the truth of the matter to the best of their ability, like Bill, Kerry, myself here recently and to others over the past few years. Additionally, we are then to believe, again according to Ray, and I quote - "It is true that some of us may get stuck in the lower emotional(astral) planes... and it is true that some may have a torrid time due to their imaginations and fear..."

    The purposes behind the, again carefully chosen words, are to associate difficult times due to outside influence with personal "imagination and fear". Yet, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are two of the most courageous individuals on this planet. Steven Greer and associates were infected with weaponized cancer (three close associates in the same month, the odds are astronomically against this), Phil Schneider was found strangled with his own catheter after a speaking tour in the west about his dealings with aliens (it was ruled a suicide if you can believe that), Lloyd Pye - dead of cancer. The list goes on.

    Clearly, it is not imagination and fear which leads to psychic attacks, but personal courage and proximity to the truth of the matter, and I would especially like to point out to loveoflife who began this thread if I'm not mistaken, it is not your imagination nor some emotional shortcoming on your part which has brought difficulty into your life - rather, based on the clear, actual evidence of the matter, it is likely you personally are extremely close to a very important personal truth.

    In my case, coincident with my beginning to post here, my lifestyle was attacked (my truck began doing bizarre things, lights coming on on their own for example) costing me over $2500 so far, I posted a picture of my dog who then went through three days of vomiting and uncontrolled diarrhea for no apparent reason at all, and I would awake each morning feeling as though I had just fought ten rounds with a world class fighter. I was pumelled. I could feel the energy around me, I could feel it probing looking for entry and I did what I knew I should do - I verbalized "I love you". And I meant it. They know not what they do. Just following pprogramming.

    This is important stuff. I believe it is vital to not allow various agents of the system to marginalize those who bravely venture forward despite risk to themselves. That, in my opinion, is true courage.
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    A programmed existence - evidence.

    Tom Campbell, a physicist, has conducted personal experiments and wrote three books on his theory of everything (My Big TOE). He has given reasonable evidence that we live in a digital existence. He has also experiencedthe phenomena that Chris has spoken of here by way of meditation. This man should not be easily disregarded.

    https://youtu.be/RQl802I9gRw

    Below is an excellent article by Jim Elvidge dealing with the topic.

    http://www.theuniversesolved.com/a_singularity.htm

    Here is an excellent paper by which Nick Bostrom deals with the topic.

    http://www.simulation-argument.com/

    Finally, my website.

    www.programmedreality.com

    Here is the reason for speaking of these things. I speak of my actual experiences, my personal out of body travels aided by my family, my actual viewing of various aspects of the system and the reason is simple - this reality changes when individuals of sufficient number begin to influence the directions we take by asserting their loving influence by way of unconditional love. The premise, which I believe to be accurate, is that if people understood the idea behind "They know not what they do" and grasp the idea that the masses and the seemingly psychopathic controllers are still stuck in their programmed roles, then they have rational basis for forgiving easily and growing this movement of peace which is the only logical way the fighting and underlying manipulation will cease.

    We are often presented with ideas to consider - some advocating peace and others who will either tell us nothing is wrong or that we must fight evil with what is eessentially evil. There is something wrong, there is a loving way to move humanity in a different direction and ultimately it is up to each of us to be the change we wish to see. To do that we need to understand there actually needs to be change.

    Individuals who raise their level of consciousness, an idea strongly promoted by Tom Campbell, is this way.
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    Darthtoaster, the thing is that your beliefs automatically create your reality to reflect them,
    that's what most people don't realize because they haven't looked at their mind yet.
    So everything that happens to you is made of your own energy, here is an interesting video that explains it:


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    Even Buddha and Jesus were tested by the Mara, but they overcame the temptations.



    The Three Temptations Of Jesus and Buddha

    "There are three things that prevent us from seeing the truth - our desires, our fears, and our opinions. This universal truth is beyond religion, beyond psychology, and beyond culture. No matter where we live, what we believe, or what time period we are living in, we are subject to these same limitations of the mind. Is it any wonder that nearly every spiritual discipline addresses these issues?

    Jesus and Buddha both illustrated this principle in their lives. Jesus underwent three temptations in the wilderness just before his baptism, and Buddha underwent the same temptations just before achieving enlightenment. At first glance, or, should we say, from the standpoint of the intellect, the two accounts do not resemble each other at all, except that there were three events in each. If, however, we use the principle of fear, desire, and opinion as an overlay, the similarities between the two patterns begin to emerge.

    First, we have to understand the purpose behind these two stories. For both Jesus and Buddha, the time leading up to their spiritual experiences, the Baptism and the Enlightenment, was a time of preparation and trial. Each had to undergo a series of tests, three in number, before he could proceed.

    It is useless, in a spiritual sense, for us to believe that these tests were strictly actual, physical events and to ignore their deeper meanings. These three experiences that Jesus and Buddha went through showed us, in a spiritual sense, what we all must go through in our journey toward the realization of God.

    The tempter in the wilderness is the tempter within us - our lusts, our fears, and our sense of the way things should be. Lust manifested as the desire for food, in Jesus' case, and the desire for sex in Buddha's. Both manifestations are appetites of the body, which every spiritual disciple must master first.

    The next temptation was fear. The devil placed Jesus on a precipice, and an army attacked Buddha. Both overcame their fear by knowing the truth - that the real Self cannot be harmed. Buddha's non-resistance turned the enemy's arrows into blossoms; Jesus realized that the desire to prove the truth is a form of resistance in itself. Both refused to give life to the apparent evil, and by so doing denied its existence. One cannot have fear and practice non-resistance.

    The third temptation is duty, obligation, and the urge to make the world conform to our ideas of how it should be. The devil offered Jesus rulership over all the kingdoms of the world. Mara exhorted Buddha to take up his place as his father's heir to the throne. This is the classic choice faced by everyone on every level when a degree of mastery has been attained. We want to set things right. After all, who could be better for the job?

    We want to impose our will upon the world and to rule it. In the simplest sense, it is our ideas, our concepts of things, that hold sway over us and not our deepest knowing, which is of God. The external mind always thinks that it knows best. The higher mind is in touch with God and knows what is needed, what is possible, and what is.

    The greatest battle for the spiritual aspirant is between his conscious mind or intellect, and his intuitive mind, the gateway of wisdom. It has always been this way. The biggest obstacle to truth is the body of opinions that we have built up over the course of a lifetime. The more opinions we have, the harder it is to let go of them. Unless we do let go, we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, which is Truth. The Truth is almost never what we want it to be, because as long as we want it to be anything at all, we are coming from the ego's desire to make the world into a reflection of ourselves.

    The world has no feeling whatsoever for our ego. What we think about the world has no effect upon it. This is the greatest frustration for the ego - wanting power, it knows instinctively that it has none. Therefore, to set itself up as a ruler, though attractive as an idea, is nonetheless impossible, because rulership cannot be effected from the standpoint of believing in ourselves as an entity separate from the Whole."
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    EmEx, I understand what you're getting at. I am well aware of thought entities sometimes called negative thought entities, in the east called tulpas. These can actually take on bodily form. They can also be gently and kindly reabsorbed by their creator.

    But some clarification is required here. When I refer to psychic attacks I am being specific - there are teams of highly psychic humans working for powerful group(s) on this planet who monitor places just like this forum and target certain individuals. All they need is a focus - like a picture.

    I want to also point out the following. At this moment there is a tiny premature child being born with a heart defect which will ultimately kill it, and devaste her parents. There is a child in a refugee camp who will breathe its last tonight because of starvation. There is a political activist in a South American country, in a prison on false charges, and that person will die tonight in extreme pain after having been tortured for hours. I could go on and on.

    My belief set did not nor could it have created these actual, horrid, events. This is a quantized reality. That has been essentially scientifically proven. What that means is that each consciousness is a computational machine, and the reality fills in as the timeline progresses. It fills in based on the input of each individual computational entity. No single individual creates this entire reality - this reality is a consensus. Additionally, one person's reality may infringe upon another. David Berkowitz for example - David was part of a cultic team that murdered people in the New York area. He was the only one convicted. The targets were young couples, caught out in a vulnerable situation. If we are to believe that we create our reality, in its entirety, then we are to believe that these unfortunate couples died as a matter of their own creation. The baby died of a heart defect of its own making. The child who starves tonight did that to herself.

    That is simply not the way it is. I'm sorry, I wish I had better news. The good news in the situation is that if a given individual raises their level of consciousness, they can now change reality for others. There are numerous accounts of individuals, typically labeled as angels (which is inaccurate) accomplishing miraculous events on behalf of beings on this level. But I will tell you this - they are outnumbered, they are not omnipresent nor or they omniscient and they do the best they can. They are interdimensional. These individuals were once right where we and what they did was simple - they raised their level of consciousness. The more beings we put up there on that level, the weaker the ruling group of this planet becomes, and this is exactly why they employ teams of highly psychic individuals carrying out these attacks, its why they have hit squads, control banking systems, employ mafia tactics and its why they have control - they are ruthless.

    I'm not trying to be a pain here. I'm also disengaging. But for the record, for five years now I have watched individuals sabotage the dispersal and disclosure of good information that could actually help people. It has become discouraging that they are so effective. I just left a forum that was overrun by a team of people who worked around the clock to discredit some credible people who were giving highly accurate information regarding 9-11. That too is an event which I did not create with my belief system, nor did you. But it was created. The true choice we have is how we react. The follow on reality however is, again, a consensus. Just the way it is.

    Good evening everyone. I will good things and profitable spiritual experiences on all of us. There is a certain aspect of truth in willing something into existence.

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    Hi darthtoaster
    It is my opinion... and that's all... that there are a few basic things which you are either unaware of or that you are not considering in your posts.

    We have each had thousands of incarnations starting as barbaric, no better than animals, with very little knowledge other than instincts brought from our years in the animal kingdom.

    During these many past lives we have done the most horrendously 'evil' things...also good of course... and everything we have done in our past is part of our karma... or what we have sowed... or what we have caused.

    Karma is a law of life and it means that whatever we cause has some effect on us and on those around us. Bad things that we do to others are our bad karma... and good things we have done to others is our good karma.
    This is also known as sowing... we sow bad deeds or good deeds.

    Every good or bad sowing, by anyone, demands good or bad reaping... this is a Cosmic law of cause and effect... we cannot escape it... and no one but ourselves have caused it... and no one but ourselves will be 'rewarded' for it.

    This 'reward' or consequence of our actions is called reaping and everyone incarnate has something to reap... be it good or bad.

    Now here is the interesting part:

    When we incarnate we have no idea what we came to reap because if we did then it would be against the law of self determination... If you were told what you must be good at it would be like giving you the answers to a test.
    So everyone who goes through some major disability or some really cool good life is getting what he/she deserves. But be careful there are many strange things been played out in peoples lives, so we should not think it's as simple as that.

    There is not one person who experiences what they do who does not need to go through that experience for one or another reason... and the irony of it is that the people who are going through a tough life hardly ever can accept that it is their own doing.

    If one person injures another... it is one person performing bad sowing... and the other reaping bad sowing... from a previous life... or even just from moments ago.

    When we are been hurt or been molested, or whatever bad things happen to us... it is ALL the result of our own doing... that is the law.

    And when we are living a good live and everything seems to be going our way... it is a result of our own doing... that is the law.

    And if we think that's a bad law then we are just trying to avoid what we got up to in our past lives.

    And that is the reason for thousands of incarnations... as we 'pay' for all our errors... and become the beautiful Being who will one day achieve the refinement to move into the world(kingdom) of unity and unconditional love.

    This kingdom is what Buddha and Christ came to inform us about...

    Take care
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    Just one more little thing I thought of...

    Humans have got no idea just how much bad karma they have to settle to refine their vibrations to allow entry into the next higher kingdom.

    Even Saints have a long way to go.

    We choose many incarnations because it is just not possible to clear our millions of years of barbaric ways in a short time.

    There is no rush... we are all in it together... but knowing this might urge us to greater heights of true love and unity among one another.

    Ray

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    We learn through hardships, the most beautiful diamonds are formed in huge pressure and intense heat, most importantly forgiveness heals.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Yes I think forgiveness takes us out of karma, otherwise there would be no end ever.
    So I would say we only have to experience the karma of our surpressed (unconscious) energy (emotions) that we carry around.

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    Hello loveoflife. Excellent questions. You have presented the brick wall of paradox in my own words, for I have used the eternal and infinite adjectives before. Let me see if I can explain without the annoying details of my own travels so to speak.

    Imagine if you will two computing machines. Advanced technology of course. The programming language would be strange to us. "Light based" programming, as close to analog as can be attained. Almost seamless

    The first machine is a scanner. I have stated that this is a programmed reality. And for many people, this is a non starter. How do you program a soul? You don't. Its too complex, at least it was when this simulation was put together. But with this scanner one can read an existent or even pre-existent soul via the energy signature left behind. Basically from near the accretion disc of a black hole. Now, this scanned information is not a soul in itself. Its the information of what the soul is, its program. This scanning wouldn't be possible if the universe itself was not itself a program.

    Now, because a soul can be scanned, it can then be modified, all except the core of the soul. Souls can even be overlayed, one upon another, creating a variant soul. All this would simply be nice to know information if it wasnt for the second computing machine - a holographic generator basically. If you have watched David Wilcox's portion of the Pete Peterson interview, David describes an experiment in Russia by which a holograph of a healthy strawberry is projected and used to repair a strawberry that had a growth inside it. Same principle. This holographic generator can take the scanned information and project it, bathing a biological being in a soul "field". (The earth is bathed in a field which accomplishes this, projecting souls onto fetuses for imprinting). The biological being, created just as Lloyd Pye says, kind of a scrap it together genetic splicing, takes on the attributes of the projection. A human is created.

    Here's where the descriptors eternal and infinite enter the story. The souls who were replicated by the scanner and holographic projector were not operational at the time of sampling but the information of their makeup was retained in a definite and readable remnant energy signature. The being who was created however using that information begins as a mortal, because the biological aspect of it is mortal. This being must learn its true nature and in doing so, essentially energizes their soul field core programming which overwrites the programming of the biological, just like in the strawberry experiment. The biological then adjusts to the overwriting and becomes or at least begins a transition to becoming an energetic being. It takes a while for the DNA to adjust, DNA being the hardware aspect of the operating system of the body. If the body completes this process before dying, the being can even preclude death, simply dematerializing at some point, with materialization capability as well. They have completed ascension. However, if a being dies who has achieved the overwrite, after death they remain energetic, and are a truly independent being, ascended as well. They no longer need the support of the database to exist. They are fully capable of drawing on the subtle energy which permeates the universe to exist. They are free. No more reincarnation.

    I've ask you to imagine if you will this system I've described. I'm not saying its fact, I'm describing something here which you can compare to the excellent information you have already amassed and see if it helps answer questions. What should be apparent though is this - IF what I propose is true, then the only way out of the system for any given soul is only three options - after a mortal death, a being either returns to the system for immersion in it, remains outside it in a low energy state (with characteristics which exactly match our ghost phenomenon) or ... there is a third way ... a request to be deactivated. Where a biological can suicide, a soul can request euthanasia, and there is a form of AI within the database itself that will honor this. However, upon deactivatjon, it wipes the soul and ques it up for activation again - a new start. So ultimately, the only true escape is ascension.

    Again, what I propose is for consideration. The question naturally arises - who did the sampling and built the database? It was a small team from an advanced race long ago. This team of geneticists designed the biological organism to house the souls and to give it a true humanoid appearance, integrated their own DNA into the design. They never suspected what that would do. What it did was weaken them, immensely. Every individual within the universe samples and exists supported by the subtle energy I mentioned earlier. The higher universe functions on a node system meaning every being has a specific power node upon which they have an ample supply of energy. It is postulated that this design aspect is to prevent any entity being able to overwhelm another. In other words, every being is equally powerful. When the scientists integrated their own DNA into their creations, as the human population grew, billions of souls were drawing on only 37 power nodes. The mortal life span dropped from 1200 years to about 10% of that amount and the scientists themselves could no longer even materialize. In fact it is their experiment which allowed the discovery of the discrete nodes associated with individuals.

    Humans eventually destroyed themselves in a nuclear conflct. On our timeline that would have occurred in the fall of 2012. You may not be up to date on some of my previous posts. What exactly are we? I'll finish the story. Once the apocalyptic event had taken place, there were over 23 billion human souls adrift, low energy state, ghostlike existences, partially supported by their database and partially by their energy node (which as mentioned were a shared set of 37 nodes). The 37 genetic scientists who created them, with the power drain of living souls removed, were at least able to rematerializes. Outside groups of scientists demonstrated that if the humans reintegrated with their creators, whoever's DNA they held at their core, that the creators would be restored to full capability. Don't ask me how that was done - it has something to do with an interface or bridge by which the creators "jacked in" to the database and allowed the reprojection of the human souls onto themselves, probably using the holographic projections as demonstrated here with the strawberry. The main problem is that the humans would not willingly go back to their creators because they viewed them as evil. A deal was brokered and here were the terms - if the creators were to immerse themselves in a realistic simulation which mirrored the misery the humans had endured, and were genuinely repentent at the completion of it (as measured by a sort of advanced polygraph machine), the humans would reintegrate. It was a good deal for them - in assimilation, they did not lose their awareness - each simply perceived that they had become vastly more aware, all the cores overlayed back upon the origin core.

    And that's where we come in. We are the simulation. The process has been completed and we are off the script. Interestingly we did not destroy ourselves. It was supposed to happen. Perhaps ... God? Who knows ... ? But a few of us have achieved self awareness. We are true life, grown out of a computer simulation.
    Thanks for taking the time to write that.

    What i hear is just another sophisticated version of reasons to recycle us back here again unless certain prerequisites are met, we have to earn our way out no matter how unfair this system is, especially for those who have no idea that there is a trap or recycling system in place. The chosen few get through the net, there is also information to suggest that the rewards for doing so are just an escape into cosmic matrix.

    These ideas just enforce separation and hierarchy. Why is no one considering an alternative to the mess here, that of connection with equality including sovereignty, basically the opposite of what we have here that most accept because they know no different.

    As for slavery her on Earth. Why do we have to pay to live on the planet we are born on?

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    Thanks Chris. These words are from the Bhagwad Gita and though they have great meaning, I do not subscribe to the existence of an entity that people may describe as God.

    If one reads in between the lines all the holy books and the sentences, one soon realizes the God that we seek is within us not outside. Only that most of us have not discovered it, sent a friend request and connected with it.... :-)

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Thanks cryptoguru--The Out breath and the in breath of God.
    God being the "Soul" sole Creator I find the reincarnation trap extremely difficult to believe.
    No problem believing that in duality we have dark forces controlling many things, the essentials Food,Energy,Pharmaceuticals, Media, Money, possibly more.

    Chris
    Agreed
    The population of that time were not of a level of consciousness that they could handle the Ultimate Truth.
    It suited whoever to keep people dependent on an exterior power--God
    For my money there is only "One without a second" I am that.
    love Chris
    Nothing has changed, most people today cannot handle the truth if it goes against their indoctrinated conditioning and brainwashing., Belief systems whatever they are need to be challenged, or we just replace one illusion with another.
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    Darthtoaster, the thing is that your beliefs automatically create your reality to reflect them,
    that's what most people don't realize because they haven't looked at their mind yet.
    So everything that happens to you is made of your own energy, here is an interesting video that explains it:

    Excellent, beliefs are just that. The only reason to believe is because their is no proof. Then to realise nothing can be proven and everything gets debunked.

    The deception we have fallen for here is immense, it has been in place for millennia, it would appear that it has been engineered and designed with a specific agenda that is simple in essence, divide and rule, encourage separation and powerlessness, and a belief that we have to work to earn to become who we already are.

    Then we keep coming back life after life with a clean slate to do it all and believe it all again.

    If the truth is the opposite because everything is upside down, then connection, equality and individual sovereignty could be the solution.

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    I've read thru most of this thread and what I see are a lot of words. I am thinking of something David Icke said about 'repeaters'. Are we just repeating what someone else said? Do we just believe because it is written down on paper? What do you really know for yourself? Stop repeating what others say, and talk about what you 'really' know.
    Now this is some really good advice. Well said .

    The trouble is that just about everyone on Avalon is a god dam expert and which expert should we believe?
    Experts do appear to be immutable in the belief that they are right, or to use a better adjective righteous.

    Being right makes others wrong and promotes separation.

    What baffles me the most are those who promote their spiritual beliefs on the basis of solipsism.

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    Going deeper into this reincarnation trap is the concept that all the worlds religions along with many spiritual beliefs were created to disempower and separate.

    If we are to wake up to the truth, then we have no idea as to what that truth is because we are not awake yet, and full awakening is not possible due to the limitation of our senses.

    In this reality we are made to feel like ants having been manipulated into a vulnerable situation when we in essence are equal.

    I always remember this from babylon 5, from the perspective of a humans limited sense perception this is what those who manipulate us appear to be like no wonder people call the gods.


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    Yes I think forgiveness takes us out of karma, otherwise there would be no end ever.
    So I would say we only have to experience the karma of our surpressed (unconscious) energy (emotions) that we carry around.
    The meaning of the sanskrit word 'karma' is 'work' we get what we deserve through the effort that we put in. That is no proof that karma has effect over lifetimes, it could be just another programmed belief system.

    We would all like to believe that the evil get their just desserts and pay for what they have done. One thing about the dark occultists that play their part in running this show is that they are not ignorant, they rule us by keeping us in ignorance, they do not seem to have any concern for karma. In duality they know that they are just playing their part.

    Karma in the west has become a more sophisticated version of original sin and a source of disempowering toxic shame and guilt for the act of simply being alive.

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    We learn through hardships, the most beautiful diamonds are formed in huge pressure and intense heat, most importantly forgiveness heals.
    Forgiveness, love and compassion for ourself first.

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    Forgiveness, love and compassion for ourself first.
    Yes of course, that's what I meant. It is apparent to me that we ourselves can be our own greatest judges, when it comes to past mistakes and deeds.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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