+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 55

Thread: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

  1. Link to Post #1
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    There are the usual alerts available that now September is of interest (like the date of of 2012) for the end of world as we know it. People are enjoying their take on the various ways that we will be undone.

    I listened to an interview posted by Gio here
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post973032

    And my ears perked at 6:27 where eschatology and the telos of the end of history is discussed.


    When the speaker states in a lukewarm way at the end of interview of the possible strength we have as humans, a whole hearted cheer for who we always have been, and are, and will be is requested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why do we love on the expectation of end of the world?

    Some say a complete break down is necessary to stop Evil and presume the stories of evils are true. It is my opinion that we in some way "need evil" to justify some internal incoherence. This is presuming as I presume that we are deliberate creators playing in this field of form.

    There have been past upheavels of the earth body but here we are. We could be really creative and free from guilt, fear and angst and expanding and growing rich new understanding.

    Some like me are focused on free will choice being a real power. Our preference as power is in hand and is hand and hand with consciousness. I choose to focus on LIFE being greater than any opinion. I choose to faithfully perceive consciousness giving a gift of smooth ongoing elevation of possibility. It is important to me to speak up for the celebration of goodness.

    We may feel comfort, feel relaxed, feel loving and kind and feel supported by our experience. We have plenty to share and love this spread of good will and good news and good times and good things. This world of form is for us and we are beloved by LIFE. This is my stand.

    Do we perversely enjoy our miseries???

    Over and over I see that the belief in the evil of the world is taken for granted. This hook catches people up and guides to some story that fits with an already existant LACK of inner acceptance. No matter what venue, we are reminded of how we f%^&ked up or someone else did.

    To look at any one event or segment, the dual nature of coinage invokes one side or another. Either/or yes/no is argued. One has no clear vision of how two seeming opposites reconcile and we spread out farther apart as polarization increases. Tensions build and stress builds. Misery is seemingly true and more stress and more tension. There seems no way out.

    Dissatisfaction drives desire that the world end because we are persuaded to hate everything and we are in "hell". There are dozens of versions of "end times" story that people embrace as a way out. Balance and conservatism as a value is overlooked.

    Conservative to me means that we sift for what has been useful and we prize the retaining of value while adding more value. IMO we have been twisted into a thought sequence that repudiates our own ability to discern and ADD Value and build rather than embrace destruction.

    All of the skills of building and creation for the potential of new vistas lie fallow within us. In general I think this glooming of end times is failure to thrive projected. It is showing up a form of nihilism that INVITES succumbing to the psy op. IMO there is something like an inner bleak landscape of boredom and futility that believes in broken-ness, base motivation and a basic lack consciousness and connection to Spirit.

    For example: The psychological operation is a binary choice..... system failure as drastic as return to primitive hunter gatherer or system prison in a totally controlled AI favored "civilization". extremes exclusively defined are argued.

    IMO, the very brightest minds spend inordinate hours focused on "what goes wrong" and imagining the worst. As they can imagine it and try to fix it, they become disillusioned as one cannot fix what one is certain is broken. IMO this is the crux.

    The certainty of a given condition is the underpinning of stasis. One must know that there is nothing either broken or unbroken but creation of which we are a part is a state of changing and expansion. It is a condition of being from a larger context.

    The inclusion from a larger context saves. Life takes an entirely different view. Having little imagination about how we can connect to a life that satisfies or craft choices that are shades of nuance rather than black and white, people falter in the ability to imagine a larger and inclusive embrace. We get more and more polarized.

    So Eschatology in my view is not a spiritual but entirely material philosophy. It is IMO the most amazing grace to open one's vision to the knowing that there is no beginning and no end but there is a story we create of the kind of world we choose. We cannot stop imagining, but we can stop expanding the possibilities. There is real consciousness in multi-layers of which we are the manifesting Wayshower IN material.

    Like the old saw says: "We are not Humans having a spiritual experience, but Spirits having a human experience". And when we know this, it allows our Imagination to open.

    As David Icke says, when we know this, we get up off our knees. When we get up we stop looking at the ground and see a landscape, what is it looking like now???

    Love, Maggie.

  2. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    Alekahn2 (5th July 2015), awakeningmom (9th March 2017), Becky (6th July 2015), betoobig (14th August 2015), Craig (6th July 2015), DeDukshyn (6th July 2015), earthdreamer (15th July 2015), greybeard (6th July 2015), Holly Lindin (25th August 2015), Marie (6th July 2015), Melinda (5th July 2015), Mercedes (6th July 2015), Selkie (6th July 2015), ulli (10th July 2015), william r sanford72 (6th July 2015)

  3. Link to Post #2
    Avalon Member triquetra's Avatar
    Join Date
    2nd February 2015
    Posts
    350
    Thanks
    224
    Thanked 1,631 times in 335 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    You are hitting on some astute points in these times. As you can see, a world that is (intentionally) brought to the brink of destruction becomes quite similar to a description of hell (uncomfortably warm temperatures, fires raging out of control, etc).

    What we have, aside from this group bent on destruction, is another group (us!) in preparation to "leave" from this place, inheriting a new earth, and those remaining behind to live in the hell they have created for themselves.

    They have centered themselves around hidden knowledge for so long, but now there is a knowledge based on level of vibration that they cannot access - the tables have nearly completely turned.

    The hardest thing for many will be to believe that such a thing is possible - that there will be two groups going in very different directions and will have very different experiences in the long term (over many more of their lives) as a result.

    But the good thing about realizing this is that you can arrive at a peace - you cannot change what others with more power than you are doing to lead this earth into a destruction it can recover from (but that the people left here will not be able to), but you can stay true to what you know to be right and that it will lead you away from this madness (I can explain how this will happen, but it seems like it's still hard for anyone to believe.. maybe by 2016).

    They will think that the planet matters not to them, they may have their means to escape off-planet, but it will be no different - this density is becoming alike a solitary confinement for the soul (or for the soulless). There may be several kinds of entities interacting, but they have all failed at the simple responsibility to evolve within the reality they were given the gift of experiencing.

    So we can find our peace even in these troubling times, because with all we have left to build with, we will build our means to move on. And what we build can only ever work with certain levels of vibration. It is a last recourse in a world being laid to waste, but if those who have been bent on destroying it realize that doing everything they can to restore things back to a new point of sustainability is the only way to prevent sealing their fate for who knows how long, they may come around yet, and such a departure may not be necessary after all.

    It is apparently so hard to convince any of them of this truth, but in the months to come additional insights will be provided that will make it all too clear. The time is near for them to make amends or to cost themselves a terrible penalty, one I would never wish on another.

    This is how reality works and it cannot be altered beyond what one can achieve once they have earned the ability to truly co-create.
    Last edited by triquetra; 6th July 2015 at 06:33.

  4. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to triquetra For This Post:

    Carpathian (7th July 2015), Delight (6th July 2015), earthdreamer (15th July 2015), Holly Lindin (25th August 2015), Limor Wolf (2nd February 2016), Mercedes (6th July 2015), ulli (10th July 2015)

  5. Link to Post #3
    UK Avalon Member Mike Gorman's Avatar
    Join Date
    31st May 2010
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Language
    English
    Age
    65
    Posts
    1,868
    Thanks
    5,830
    Thanked 13,989 times in 1,749 posts

    Post Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    I'm far too overcome with Angst ridden ennui to reply properly....oh the dreary sameness of it all! I read a book called In Bluebeard's Castle that posed the concept that the two world wars were outbreaks of cultural escape from ennui - peacetime becomes wearisome and plenty and indulgence create the need for blood letting and chaos, to break the monotony!

    Yes, we are perverse creatures, never happy, never completely at ease with our lot

  6. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Mike Gorman For This Post:

    Delight (6th July 2015), earthdreamer (15th July 2015), Gardener (6th July 2015), Selkie (6th July 2015), ulli (10th July 2015)

  7. Link to Post #4
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    19th February 2015
    Age
    67
    Posts
    2,202
    Thanks
    7,544
    Thanked 9,600 times in 1,987 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
    I'm far too overcome with Angst ridden ennui to reply properly....oh the dreary sameness of it all! I read a book called In Bluebeard's Castle that posed the concept that the two world wars were outbreaks of cultural escape from ennui - peacetime becomes wearisome and plenty and indulgence create the need for blood letting and chaos, to break the monotony!

    Yes, we are perverse creatures, never happy, never completely at ease with our lot
    Have you read The Outsider, by Colin Wilson? I think it would resonate with you. It is out of print, but you can get if through Amazon.

  8. Link to Post #5
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    19th February 2015
    Age
    67
    Posts
    2,202
    Thanks
    7,544
    Thanked 9,600 times in 1,987 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    There are the usual alerts available that now September is of interest (like the date of of 2012) for the end of world as we know it. People are enjoying their take on the various ways that we will be undone.

    I listened to an interview posted by Gio here
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post973032

    And my ears perked at 6:27 where eschatology and the telos of the end of history is discussed.


    When the speaker states in a lukewarm way at the end of interview of the possible strength we have as humans, a whole hearted cheer for who we always have been, and are, and will be is requested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why do we love on the expectation of end of the world?

    Some say a complete break down is necessary to stop Evil and presume the stories of evils are true. It is my opinion that we in some way "need evil" to justify some internal incoherence. This is presuming as I presume that we are deliberate creators playing in this field of form.

    There have been past upheavels of the earth body but here we are. We could be really creative and free from guilt, fear and angst and expanding and growing rich new understanding.

    Some like me are focused on free will choice being a real power. Our preference as power is in hand and is hand and hand with consciousness. I choose to focus on LIFE being greater than any opinion. I choose to faithfully perceive consciousness giving a gift of smooth ongoing elevation of possibility. It is important to me to speak up for the celebration of goodness.

    We may feel comfort, feel relaxed, feel loving and kind and feel supported by our experience. We have plenty to share and love this spread of good will and good news and good times and good things. This world of form is for us and we are beloved by LIFE. This is my stand.

    Do we perversely enjoy our miseries???

    Over and over I see that the belief in the evil of the world is taken for granted. This hook catches people up and guides to some story that fits with an already existant LACK of inner acceptance. No matter what venue, we are reminded of how we f%^&ked up or someone else did.

    To look at any one event or segment, the dual nature of coinage invokes one side or another. Either/or yes/no is argued. One has no clear vision of how two seeming opposites reconcile and we spread out farther apart as polarization increases. Tensions build and stress builds. Misery is seemingly true and more stress and more tension. There seems no way out.

    Dissatisfaction drives desire that the world end because we are persuaded to hate everything and we are in "hell". There are dozens of versions of "end times" story that people embrace as a way out. Balance and conservatism as a value is overlooked.

    Conservative to me means that we sift for what has been useful and we prize the retaining of value while adding more value. IMO we have been twisted into a thought sequence that repudiates our own ability to discern and ADD Value and build rather than embrace destruction.

    All of the skills of building and creation for the potential of new vistas lie fallow within us. In general I think this glooming of end times is failure to thrive projected. It is showing up a form of nihilism that INVITES succumbing to the psy op. IMO there is something like an inner bleak landscape of boredom and futility that believes in broken-ness, base motivation and a basic lack consciousness and connection to Spirit.

    For example: The psychological operation is a binary choice..... system failure as drastic as return to primitive hunter gatherer or system prison in a totally controlled AI favored "civilization". extremes exclusively defined are argued.

    IMO, the very brightest minds spend inordinate hours focused on "what goes wrong" and imagining the worst. As they can imagine it and try to fix it, they become disillusioned as one cannot fix what one is certain is broken. IMO this is the crux.

    The certainty of a given condition is the underpinning of stasis. One must know that there is nothing either broken or unbroken but creation of which we are a part is a state of changing and expansion. It is a condition of being from a larger context.

    The inclusion from a larger context saves. Life takes an entirely different view. Having little imagination about how we can connect to a life that satisfies or craft choices that are shades of nuance rather than black and white, people falter in the ability to imagine a larger and inclusive embrace. We get more and more polarized.

    So Eschatology in my view is not a spiritual but entirely material philosophy. It is IMO the most amazing grace to open one's vision to the knowing that there is no beginning and no end but there is a story we create of the kind of world we choose. We cannot stop imagining, but we can stop expanding the possibilities. There is real consciousness in multi-layers of which we are the manifesting Wayshower IN material.

    Like the old saw says: "We are not Humans having a spiritual experience, but Spirits having a human experience". And when we know this, it allows our Imagination to open.

    As David Icke says, when we know this, we get up off our knees. When we get up we stop looking at the ground and see a landscape, what is it looking like now???

    Love, Maggie.
    It makes one wonder, doesn't it? And after all, we are in Kali Yuga, are we not? Because I always thought (but never voiced), well, then, what the heck are we worried about? Because in Kali Yuga, aren't things supposed to be this way? And if the Hindus are right, this is a function of the Universe, and the Kalpa will turn, and then everything will be alright. And so what do we have to worry about? And why do we have to do anything? And what difference would it make if we did? And maybe the psychopaths are simply the glory of Kali Yuga, human animals who have learned how to survive in a poisoned environment...an environment that was meant to be poisoned because it is Kali Yuga.

    So yeah, its like we do it for our own grizzly amusement. Or maybe for the amusements of the gods. Because in a way, we are giving birth to Kali, Herself, aren't we? Is this how we embody Kali, so that Shiva can have Her, who is really Himself?

    btw, I am not being flip or hostile or anything. Just some thoughts.

  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Selkie For This Post:

    greybeard (6th July 2015), william r sanford72 (10th July 2015)

  10. Link to Post #6
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    I am very appreciative of those who replied so far.

    Galaxy Horse, you made me laugh..."cultural escape from ennui - peacetime becomes wearisome and plenty and indulgence create the need for blood letting and chaos, to break the monotony!" I am wondering, can we channel this aspect of human nourishment from novelty into some massively non-violently satisfying means? I really like the idea of aspiring to act as Guerrilla Artisons (not peace or war fare) in 3D.

    I read once that any physical sensory stimulus dulls with exposure. In fact with the media and consumption of violence and porn, we observe the stimulus needs increase to shock. There is a desensitization with exposure. As we become desensitized and need increased doses of stimulus, the world feels "blah".

    So without a meta context of deepenning beyond the material, the most delicious meals get boring, the best physical experience is "been there done that", the worst violence is accepted as "within normal" range of behavior (war, murder and trauma)? So we do need to master "turning off" the media. But we also can "rise out" of this context to observe from a meta context of "other realms" that are really US at a larger zoom out.... The I-Magination taps this real part of who we are but not "touching" where consciousness can shape "reality".

    Our Spirit emanates into this 3D.
    We may tap into expanding novelty from a larger context. The idea that spirit is our larger consciousness "tapped in to everything" accessed in the 3D looks so much like heaven to me.

    Triquetra,
    You said;" You are hitting on some astute points in these times. As you can see, a world that is (intentionally) brought to the brink of destruction becomes quite similar to a description of hell (uncomfortably warm temperatures, fires raging out of control, etc)."

    OK, so we "find" a world that is hellish and boring and overstimulated. The "end of meaning" in this triggers a search for conscious participation in some co-creative ACTION that pulls into here a realm of magical participation.

    This investigation is IMO the natural NEXT step. However being attuned to this larger consiousness is aborted by the idea that we cannot possibly be able to participate IMO.

    Silkie, Looks like we like the same authors. I have been working my way through Colin Wilson's many books. In his 82 years, he wrote over 100. IMO he is a creator and speaks to creativity. He was always investigating the creative mechanism.

    Quote Maslow's observation of 'peak experiences' in his students - those sudden moments of overwhelming happiness that we all experience from time to time - provided Colin Wilson with an important clue in his search for the mechanism that might control the Outsider's 'moments of vision'. Maslow, however, was convinced that 'peak experiences' could not be induced; Colin Wilson thought otherwise and, indeed, in later books like Access to Inner Worlds (1983) and Super Consciousness (2009), suggested how they could be induced at will.
    IMO, the idea is that the Divine discontent is asking we enlarge our vision and sensorial reach to envelop the NATURAL inclination for investment in Consciousness.
    Neil Kramer here is talking about investment in systems. He mentions that the "older we get" the less we want to retreat from our investment in a system. We create the confines of the prison system and we can break out.
    I appreciate his lecture here:





    Quote 1. ENGAGEMENT



    – On-going, life-long self-education.

    – Personal, self-motivated, disciplined and enthusiastic study of subjects that matter:

    Philosophy, psychology, history, mythology, geopolitics, physics, mysticism, art, occultism, ethnobotany, spiritual disciplines, astronomy, linguistics, iconography, etymology, epistemology, astrology, palaeontology, archaeology, chemistry, anthropology.



    2a. DARK UNVEILINGS



    – Secret Societies & Illuminist Groups. Characterized by the extreme stratification of knowledge and technology through hierarchical forms of distribution. A synthesis of solar symbolism, ancient mystery cults and numerology.

    – Masons, Rosicrucians, OTO, Order of the Garter, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Jesuits.

    – Globalist Groups – Bilderbergers, Council On Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Tavistock Institute. Many of which stem from the ancient mystery cults.

    – Conspiracies, PSYOPS, propaganda, disinformation, illegal wars, assassinations, media manipulation.



    2b. LIGHT UNVEILINGS



    – The universe is magickal and mysterious.

    – The consensus 3D world is only one representation of reality, nested in numerous enfolded realms.

    – Actual human history is radically different and far more dynamic than we were led to believe.

    – Consciousness creates reality. It is the primary shaping force of the quantum field (the ultra soup).

    – There is no separation between any energetic entities.



    3. EXPANSION



    – Work on yourself: clean and re-wire the inner system.

    – Meditation, connecting with nature, entheogenic work.

    – Learning to perceive subtle messages from the universe.

    – Linear left-brain thinking quietened.

    – Softening of the boundaries of self.

    – Knowing begins to replace the predominance of thinking.



    4. INTEGRATION



    – Walking the path, every day.

    – Acknowledging source and experiencing its unfoldment.

    – Harmoniously balancing selfhood and individuality with a fluid connection to the universal field.

    – Attunement with one’s own highest frequency of consciousness.





    HUMANITY’S ENEMY:

    TELEVISION & THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA
    Neil Kramer - Guerrilla Psychonautics
    Last edited by Delight; 6th July 2015 at 16:07.

  11. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    awakeningmom (9th March 2017), Becky (19th July 2015), Carpathian (7th July 2015), Limor Wolf (2nd February 2016), Selkie (6th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015), william r sanford72 (10th July 2015)

  12. Link to Post #7
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by Silkie (here)
    Because I always thought (but never voiced), well, then, what the heck are we worried about? Because in Kali Yuga, aren't things supposed to be this way? And if the Hindus are right, this is a function of the Universe, and the Kalpa will turn, and then everything will be alright. And so what do we have to worry about?

    Thanks again Silkie...
    Some of my Krshna Consciousness friends chant and dance because quiet still meditation does not work in the kali Yuga. They say we are already really desensitized to consciousness because we are deeply in the mire of matter's mud.

    The constant question is "I am here in this experience and what now?" I have had many brief moments of zooming into the frequency of knowing the depth and beauty of the world as it is now.....that all is well here and now. It inspires me to create this beauty daily.

  13. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    Melinda (7th July 2015), Selkie (6th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  14. Link to Post #8
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    19th February 2015
    Age
    67
    Posts
    2,202
    Thanks
    7,544
    Thanked 9,600 times in 1,987 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by Silkie (here)
    Because I always thought (but never voiced), well, then, what the heck are we worried about? Because in Kali Yuga, aren't things supposed to be this way? And if the Hindus are right, this is a function of the Universe, and the Kalpa will turn, and then everything will be alright. And so what do we have to worry about?

    Thanks again Silkie...
    Some of my Krshna Consciousness friends chant and dance because quiet still meditation does not work in the kali Yuga. They say we are already really desensitized to consciousness because we are deeply in the mire of matter's mud...
    (my emphasis)

    Yes, like the roots of the lotus plant


  15. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Selkie For This Post:

    Delight (6th July 2015), earthdreamer (15th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  16. Link to Post #9
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    22nd August 2014
    Posts
    354
    Thanks
    397
    Thanked 1,021 times in 294 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    I would like to mention a psychological contributing factor to ideas of the end of the world.

    To our egos, we are the world. At times our ego's position within our psychological makeup is rearranged. Subconsciously, this can appear to us as if the world is to end soon. This can be as simple as someone's ego mind first facing it's own mortality; it can be as complex as a once consistently financially successful person losing all he has, and anything in between. In the case of preachers and proclaimers, it is feeding their ego to identify themselves as the 'messenger' to whom we all should listen. I often wonder what these sorts were doing in their lives 18-36 months before they decided to let us all know the whole show will soon go down in flames.

    In the case of alternative media personalities, specifically those who claim they get information from 'insider,' at all times what they receive can be disinformation, either to make the person less credible or to protect their sources and operations.

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to boutreality For This Post:

    Delight (10th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  18. Link to Post #10
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by boutreality (here)
    To our egos, we are the world. At times our ego's position within our psychological makeup is rearranged. Subconsciously, this can appear to us as if the world is to end soon. This can be as simple as someone's ego mind first facing it's own mortality; it can be as complex as a once consistently financially successful person losing all he has, and anything in between.
    Rearrangement of the psychological makeup requires being open to an Unknown. IF the presence of consciousness is for its exploration, the ego may be inflexible but the whole experiemnt is not like the ego at all. My observation is that we have only the ability to perceive our idea of the world.

    I like synchronicity and this SETH session quote came in my inbox today.
    It speaks to the OP of the way that experience defined from the ego has very little to do with what life is about. In the case of the quote here, human relationship with animals, we who do recognize animals as having awareness as co-participants of life on the planet will experience a very different world than those without this consciousness.

    Everyone involved is participating.
    There are no passive elements in the play of exchange. Deep engagement feels extremely satisfying.

    Just one example of change in consciousness is in the way we are opening to the realization that all earth life has its own sentience.
    So instead of the end of history, there is the beginning of new history.

    Quote 1979.09.10 (878: PS5, DEVF1 preface*)

    It is somewhat fashionable to see man as always nature's despoiler, as
    the destructive member of nature's family or even to consider him apart
    from nature, who was given nature as his living grounds.

    It is somewhat fashionable to see man as… the creature who dirties his
    own nest, and I am not condoning much of man's behavior in that regard.
    However, there are other issues and questions seldom asked. You ignore
    the fact that [overall] the consciousness of animals has its own
    purposes and intents. It is true that animals are slaughtered under the
    most cruel of circumstances for human consumption – for then they are
    treated simply as foodstuff.

    Buffaloes do not roam as they did before. There are thousands of
    farm-bred animals, however [and have been], all throughout civilization,
    alive for a time, well-cared-for for a time – animals who in usual terms
    would not exist except for man's "gluttonous" appetite for meat. That is
    the way the issue is often considered. It seldom occurs to anyone that
    certain forms of animal consciousness came in physical form [by choice],
    that certain species are prized by man and protected or that the
    consciousnesses of such animals had anything at all to do with such an
    [overall] arrangement.

    You can not say that such animals came out ahead of the bargain, but you
    can say that the species of man and certain species of animals together
    formed an arrangement… that did have benefits for both. Man is more a
    part of nature than he realizes, and in the greater realm of activity he
    can not take any… actions with which the rest of nature does not agree
    for its own reasons.

    Remember here other material given about cellular communication, for
    example, and the vast web of intercommunication that unites all species.
    Of course, animals can communicate with man, and, of course, man can
    communicate with other species – with all species. Such communication
    has always gone on. Man can not afford to become aware of such
    communication at this point, simply because your entire culture is based
    upon the idea of the animals' "natural" subordinate position. The men
    who slaughter animals can not afford to treat those animals as
    possessors of living consciousnesses.

    There is, beneath it all, an important unity, a sense of communion, as
    one portion of earth's living consciousness dies to insure the continued
    life of all nature. That natural sacrament, however, turns into
    something else entirely when the gift is so misunderstood and when the
    donor is treated so poorly…

    Consciousness is filled with content – any kind of consciousness. [The
    farmer's] animals understand that in a certain fashion he is a midwife,
    responsible for some of their births. Food comes from his hands. The
    animals understand, on their own, that life on any terms that are
    physical ends with death – that the physical properties must be returned
    to the earth from which they came…

    [Animals] do not blame [human beings] for anything. If as a species you
    really found yourselves communicating with the animals, you would have
    an entirely different culture, a culture that would indeed bring about
    an alteration of consciousness of the most profound nature.

    You have forgotten, conveniently, how much you learned from all of the
    animals, as I have mentioned in past sessions. You learned a good deal
    of medicine from watching animal behavior: You learned what plants to
    avoid and which to cultivate. You learned how to rid yourself of lice by
    going into the water. You learned social behavior by watching the
    animals. At one time you could identify with animals and they with you
    to a remarkable degree. They have been your teachers, though they did
    not choose your path. Obviously, you could not have gone your way [as a
    species] had it not been for the animals.

    Domesticated animals have their own reasons for choosing such a state.
    It is, for example, usual enough to think that your cats should ideally
    run outside in the open, because in the wild that is what cats would do.

    Cats in the wild were, in those terms of time, exploring one kind of
    nature. In that kind of nature, with a natural population taken care of
    in the environment, there would be far fewer cats than there are now.
    Your cats would not exist. Why does it seem antinatural, even slightly
    perverse, for a household cat to, say, prefer fine cat food from a can,
    when it seems that he should be eating mice, perhaps, or dining upon
    grasshoppers? The household cat is exploring a different kind of nature,
    in which he has a certain relationship to human consciousness, a
    relationship that changes the reality of his particular kind of
    consciousness.

    Your cats are as alive in all ways inside of the house as out. They
    understand their relationship with your human reality. They enjoy
    contributing in your life as much as any wild animal enjoys being a part
    of its group. Their consciousnesses lean in a new direction, feel about
    the edges of concepts, sense openings of awareness of a different kind,
    and form alliances of consciousness quite as natural as any other.

  19. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    Alexmcph (4th August 2023), earthdreamer (15th July 2015), Selkie (10th July 2015), The Alley Cat (27th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015), william r sanford72 (10th July 2015)

  20. Link to Post #11
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    I enjoy studying the beautiful organization and design that underlies our common reality. It looks like a construction of exquisite beauty, order and harmony.

    This is a 2011 interview from Redice with Michael Schneider. The knowledge here speaks to the expression of an elegantly planned Universe.



    I intellectually also embrace the idea of experience of individual personal parallel realities, that match our state of being. I like the ideas that say we are constantly changing states but give everything continuity by our own awareness. Thinkers who connect to the understanding that we experience what we (most strongly in this moment) believe make sense. My own life is a mixed bag of wanted and contrast. In every moment however I already do always have enough however and I realize my angst is so far quite unwarranted. When I focus on this well being, I feel great.

    So I will say that speakers like Bashar support me in staying in my focus on what feels like the parallel Earth I choose. In writing this I admit I am not yet so convinced that the one where I live is completely as I would like it in my dreams (hehe)..... but Bashar has said that in 3D we have something we like very much...Process. Process looks linear and the enjoyment is in the journey as well as the results.



    My process is:

    Challenge my lowest common denominator (right now that onerous work and going against my grain is necessary for survival). Be relaxed, be trusting in Benevolence of the Consciousness that seems to be orchestrating a massive shift. Be content that today I have enough. Be active in little ways that prove to me that I mean what I say!
    I say to me:Be bold, be brave, be here, be self loving, be forgiving, be kind and be willing to realize that I know nothing about the future because it is only now possibility and probability. Be willing to embrace what I prefer to experience and trust this is the new history. Love my life as it appears. Be vocal about what I love. Be in love and free the angst.

    Today I had my weekly meeting with my two best friends. We have been each others support through the changes of our last 5 years. We keep each other on track. Today it came up that Lynne was privy to a conversation about the end times. Three women were talking about their prepping activities...canning food and storing food. The comment was made that "It isn't enough to have the food. You will also need to hide it." Lynne was aware that she had no trigger about the dire predictions. She is into the idea that Dr Simon Atkins has predicted a wave of energy peaking in September as discussed here:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post973329

    The energy of change is something we have been discussing for years looking forward to a mass wave of consciousness change.

    In my daily life, I am as confounded as can be about my purpose at this time and especially about money. Struggling with money and the fixed idea that I "need" a job that has a living wage is so concreted in my psyche that it seems absolutely so!. The concern has almost persuaded me to go back into nursing. This feels really yucky especially as I would need multiple vaccinations.

    It seems like I am stuck between my not having money, being unable to imagine what I might do to have money and not wanting to get vaccinated so I can then get my licensure as a nurse in order etc....all because of mortgage and utilities and all the ways that daily life seeks propping up.

    What I would REALLY like is that there be a correction like the Jubilee ...release of all debt.
    I would REALLY like the degree of sophistication like the internet to remain in place.
    I would REALLY like to be on a team like a permaculture group creating gardens and food forests.
    I would REALLY like to either have money or not need money.
    I would REALLY like to hear all around me the conversation of how marvelous people feel in their healthy bodies, how much fun they are having and what new and wonderful tools are showing up to clean up what has been messed up and co-create new syems that work for the good of all concerned.
    I would REALLY like to live in an uncultivated world where through communication with Gaia, we are co-creating a natural paradise.

    I am groping along and so in a way I can really understand why it is tempting to succumb to actually inviting a disaster. The end of the world might mean I can can stop floundering around in my loop (hehe). I am writing in this thread to talk to myself and keep my mind on the prize...... celebration of the beauty of living on the earth at this amazing time and cultivating the wisdom of realizing what to actually do while here.

    I invite anyone interested to share what is really groping for them now.
    Best to all, Maggie
    Last edited by Delight; 11th July 2015 at 01:05.

  21. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    earthdreamer (15th July 2015), Selkie (12th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  22. Link to Post #12
    Avalon Member triquetra's Avatar
    Join Date
    2nd February 2015
    Posts
    350
    Thanks
    224
    Thanked 1,631 times in 335 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination



    There is a fair bit of symbolism in an otherwise funny comic.
    It has to do with how our reality (or at least our portion of it) can be described as an eddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_%28fluid_dynamics%29 of time,
    here time is flowing circularly at various rates until the obstacle is overcome.

    "We" are designed as a possible solution, guided (sometimes gently, often forcefully) in a way that maximizes the chances of this.
    The outcomes are:
    1. continue in the eddy of time (not a good outcome, it just means trying it all again with minor tweaks, i.e. DNA)
    2. overcome the obstacle (this seems like a good outcome)
    3. break the system (hop out of the river and do something else, this is a bit of a fascinating outcome)

    Another way of looking at it - we are at the frozen lake, and "Dad" is annoyed, but then, we have ennui, right?

    To know you are in a time loop "doomed" to repeat the same patterns over and over would cause this feeling.

    What is the right outcome? 2 or 3? Eschatology might be the study of this crossroads itself.

  23. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to triquetra For This Post:

    Delight (15th July 2015), earthdreamer (15th July 2015)

  24. Link to Post #13
    United States Avalon Member earthdreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th January 2015
    Location
    Terrapin Station
    Age
    57
    Posts
    134
    Thanks
    2,747
    Thanked 800 times in 129 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    When I was in my early 20's, I read a lot of Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminati Trilogy" put into my head that the end of the world would occur at a rock concert. I kind of anticipated this as a psychic event and looked for it. Maybe it did end jubilantly at Woodstock and sh*ttily at Altamont. Many heads have had their worlds cracked open at a Dead show or a Phish show. Anyway, seems a more imaginative way to release oneself from doomed reality than a game of survival of the fittest.

    It does seem that current consensus reality on this planet is plagued by end times type pollution on an industrial scale that poisons all health. Modern life is so fast-paced as to be overwhelming so people might be subconsciously looking for an excuse for a way off the treadmill. Economic conditions are a house of cards. It's all very precarious.

    "The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
    You can't let go and you can't hold on
    You can't go back and you can't stand still
    If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will"


  25. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to earthdreamer For This Post:

    Delight (15th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  26. Link to Post #14
    Costa Rica Avalon Member ulli's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th November 2010
    Posts
    13,804
    Thanks
    66,332
    Thanked 127,159 times in 13,484 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by earthdreamer (here)
    When I was in my early 20's, I read a lot of Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminati Trilogy" put into my head that the end of the world would occur at a rock concert. I kind of anticipated this as a psychic event and looked for it. Maybe it did end jubilantly at Woodstock and sh*ttily at Altamont. Many heads have had their worlds cracked open at a Dead show or a Phish show. Anyway, seems a more imaginative way to release oneself from doomed reality than a game of survival of the fittest.

    It does seem that current consensus reality on this planet is plagued by end times type pollution on an industrial scale that poisons all health. Modern life is so fast-paced as to be overwhelming so people might be subconsciously looking for an excuse for a way off the treadmill. Economic conditions are a house of cards. It's all very precarious.

    "The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
    You can't let go and you can't hold on
    You can't go back and you can't stand still
    If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will"

    The end of the world.
    Rock concert.
    When the green consciousness crowd reacts like this to the rule "leave no trace"
    To me this is the proof that this world may not be worth saving.

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...thy-farm-tents

  27. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ulli For This Post:

    earthdreamer (15th July 2015), Selkie (15th July 2015)

  28. Link to Post #15
    United States Avalon Member earthdreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th January 2015
    Location
    Terrapin Station
    Age
    57
    Posts
    134
    Thanks
    2,747
    Thanked 800 times in 129 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Looks like the careless people at Glastonbury thought it was the end of the world so they trashed it, leaving it to God to clean up (really it will be the "little people") . In the throes of a drunken party, people will get trashed and be trashy. The leftover debris lends itself to Delight's first post's point that eschatological fervor is hitting on a profane material level. Yet within the rock concert environment exists psychic potential for soul awakening too, which can overwhelm the ego's worldview, feeling like the end of the world. Sometimes the crowd would all feel it and you might get to achieve "Blows Against the Empire", as Jefferson Airplane managed to do with their fans.

    everybody loves that REM lyric, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine"

  29. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to earthdreamer For This Post:

    Delight (15th July 2015), Selkie (15th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  30. Link to Post #16
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Thanks so much for making my morning with really thought provoking replies.

    Ulli is asking (given examples of the very deplorable behavior seen)?....

    Is the world worth saving?

    I can't speak for the world but I believe from the evidence, GAIA always seems to continue supporting life so maybe She thinks it is....

    Creator of some sort IMO constructed and planned an elaborate and glorious system that is open and expanding and unfinished (my opinion)(and holographic or NOT), the whole is way bigger than we are.

    Is it a laugh to imagine we are going to destroy anything but our ability to be here? In the apparent design, Humans are physically puny and soft and we have become quite delusional IMO that our constructed overlay of civilized "city and state" reality is anything but a flimsy shell.

    And what Triquetra said here may be the HUMAN dilemma of the moment? It is really interesting as an idea to me:

    Quote There is a fair bit of symbolism in an otherwise funny comic.
    It has to do with how our reality (or at least our portion of it) can be described as an eddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_%28fluid_dynamics%29 of time,
    here time is flowing circularly at various rates until the obstacle is overcome.

    "We" are designed as a possible solution, guided (sometimes gently, often forcefully) in a way that maximizes the chances of this.
    The outcomes are:
    1. continue in the eddy of time (not a good outcome, it just means trying it all again with minor tweaks, i.e. DNA)
    2. overcome the obstacle (this seems like a good outcome)
    3. break the system (hop out of the river and do something else, this is a bit of a fascinating outcome)

    Another way of looking at it - we are at the frozen lake, and "Dad" is annoyed, but then, we have ennui, right?

    (Not sure what is meant here?)

    To know you are in a time loop "doomed" to repeat the same patterns over and over would cause this feeling.

    What is the right outcome? 2 or 3? Eschatology might be the study of this crossroads itself.
    Plants, insects, mammals, reptiles...not going to list the numbers of kinds of life will continue and Gaia will embrace all. I am looking at a giant ant (literally) walk across the floor. If I flick it across the room against the wall, it will just get right back to walking and find its way home over vast distances in a few minutes. It will sniff out the honey and its friends and he will have it GONE in hours.

    That is so impressive my jaw is dropping. Can I beat that EVER or other stories like that everywhere (now happening). Roaches withstand radiation and adapt to poisons, the honeybees that were not inbred are rebounding and ETC....


    So, if the "world" is not worth saving, it is not global but the human local branch. Our little friends who can go with the changes that NECESSARILY occur on a living world will I am certain keep the lights on.

    This maybe why people fantasize that AI and transhumanism is powerful. It is certainly powerful in the psyche of gamers. And maybe that is just fine and I cannot judge what is the big issue that seems implacably challenging of MY enthusiasm just because i am alive? (I dunno why I'd ever have a bad day when the elements themselves are awesome to entertain).

    Being miserable and dull and unable to participate in deep satisfaction is an evolutionary dead end. So I choose truly to "get over myself". I MUST take myself in hand because I am the only awareness I have.....

    When people opine that the end of the world is at hand, IMO they are only being a little ME as in this poem (I am Margaret literally)....

    Quote Spring and Fall:

    to a Young Child

    Margaret, are you grieving
    Over Goldengrove unleaving?
    Leaves, like the things of man, you
    With your fresh thoughts care for, can you?
    Ah! as the heart grows older
    It will come to such sights colder
    By and by, nor spare a sigh
    Though worlds of wanwood leafmeal lie;
    And yet you will weep and know why.
    Now no matter, child, the name:
    Sorrow's springs are the same.
    Nor mouth had, no nor mind, expressed
    What héart héard of, ghóst guéssed:
    It is the blight man was born for,
    It is Margaret you mourn for.

  31. The Following User Says Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    earthdreamer (16th July 2015)

  32. Link to Post #17
    Avalon Member Delight's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2012
    Posts
    6,081
    Thanks
    8,692
    Thanked 39,308 times in 5,717 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by earthdreamer (here)
    When I was in my early 20's, I read a lot of Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminati Trilogy" put into my head that the end of the world would occur at a rock concert. I kind of anticipated this as a psychic event and looked for it. Maybe it did end jubilantly at Woodstock and sh*ttily at Altamont. Many heads have had their worlds cracked open at a Dead show or a Phish show. Anyway, seems a more imaginative way to release oneself from doomed reality than a game of survival of the fittest.

    It does seem that current consensus reality on this planet is plagued by end times type pollution on an industrial scale that poisons all health. Modern life is so fast-paced as to be overwhelming so people might be subconsciously looking for an excuse for a way off the treadmill. Economic conditions are a house of cards. It's all very precarious.

    "The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
    You can't let go and you can't hold on
    You can't go back and you can't stand still
    If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will"

    A few years ago I was introduced to a BIG PARTY that is held in secret locations yearly for the membership (several hundred) and the first one was wonderful for me. People were permitted to do anything there they chose (including entheogenic drugs and open nudity). Some people spend all year getting ready with their plans and costumes. There is community sharing of amazing food, liqueur, maryjane, coffee and 24/7 live music. Camping will be raised to a level of art. Open "living rooms" are elaborate, and people wander, visiting and catching up with old friends. WHEEEE!!!!!

    I was inspired to use some money I had received from my husbands death to create a party like that one in honor of him. I worked on it for 6 months and held it under the June full moon in 2006. I spent 35,000 USD. It was the best party ever held anywhere. The music was amazing. The weather was perfect. I supplied the most delicious meals for volunteers. It was GREAT for all concerned. I felt enormous pride to be the provider and it did honor my musician bass maker husband's life. That was a triumph. It would not be repeated.

    After that experience, my familiarity with the BIG PARTY that I had encountered bored me over time. The enthusiasm I felt at first palled and after a few years, I am not interested in the process of making costumes, making an elaborate camp, traveling to the secret location and hanging out for 4 days. WHY?

    I think it is because for me, the party appeared to have a forced gaiety where people are deliberately trying to be fun. My musician friends hate gigs where they play the same songs. My dogs hate walking the same places. I have come to a conclusion that anything gets boring with repetition. The wheel can look like anything.

    This is my problem and its a big one when I consider "Would I like to live 300 years?" "What would make it worthwhile to stay in the confines of my "whheeeeel?" Nothing.
    Last edited by Delight; 15th July 2015 at 17:21.

  33. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Delight For This Post:

    earthdreamer (16th July 2015), Selkie (19th July 2015), ulli (15th July 2015)

  34. Link to Post #18
    Avalon Member triquetra's Avatar
    Join Date
    2nd February 2015
    Posts
    350
    Thanks
    224
    Thanked 1,631 times in 335 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    I don't know if I'd call it a human dilemma. Though humans were made to be the way humans are in order to be a solution for the situation (or at least an attempt at a solution).

    There are two principles at play here. One - you impose the conditions for a large amount of dissonant energy where there would have been much less, and keep it stuck like that, which leads to Two - you prolong the dissonance longer and longer and the tension increases more and more. The dissonance (strife) seeks resolution to consonance (harmony) and the tension seeks resolution to stability.

    The idea is to have the kind of conditions to create a solution to a problem that is much larger than us. We can be that solution and by solving that problem we will put an end to the current conditions at the same time.

    I'll try to explain in greater detail in the coming months in other threads.

  35. Link to Post #19
    Australia Avalon Member
    Join Date
    17th July 2015
    Location
    Australia
    Age
    52
    Posts
    114
    Thanks
    467
    Thanked 308 times in 87 posts

    Talking Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Hi everyone

    I am new and looking forward to participating in these interesting discussions.

    Triquetra in reference to your comments

    The hardest thing for many will be to believe that such a thing is possible - that there will be two groups going in very different directions and will have very different experiences in the long term (over many more of their lives) as a result.

    This sounds like a shift from 3D to 5D, will it be something that that will happen naturally for those that are of the right spiritual vibration, kind of initiated by the God force/the One/Brahaman (whatever term we use etc), or will it require active use of some of these technologies using wave based physics you have mentioned earlier?

    The presence of so many stone monuments all around the world with resonant properties, must indicate that early humankind was fully aware of the ascension process, and that much of this has become a lost knowledge now.

    I have also wondered too, that whilst most of our planets in our solar system appear to be dead worlds in 3d, maybe they could be teaming with life in 4d or 5d, maybe all planets work on different levels and have different creations operating like a radio does where you have to tune into the right radio frequency to hear your favourite music.

    Given the building blocks of our universe are atoms, which are almost entirely void, it kind of makes sense that maybe atoms work like a to screen upon which which these false 3D worlds are projected. It certainly seems to be a pretty elaborate and convincing way to dupe our senses. Someone has obviously gone to a lot of trouble to do this.


    cheers for now

    Scott

  36. Link to Post #20
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    19th February 2015
    Age
    67
    Posts
    2,202
    Thanks
    7,544
    Thanked 9,600 times in 1,987 posts

    Default Re: Ennui and Eschatology Cripple our Creative Imagination

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by earthdreamer (here)
    When I was in my early 20's, I read a lot of Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminati Trilogy" put into my head that the end of the world would occur at a rock concert. I kind of anticipated this as a psychic event and looked for it. Maybe it did end jubilantly at Woodstock and sh*ttily at Altamont. Many heads have had their worlds cracked open at a Dead show or a Phish show. Anyway, seems a more imaginative way to release oneself from doomed reality than a game of survival of the fittest.

    It does seem that current consensus reality on this planet is plagued by end times type pollution on an industrial scale that poisons all health. Modern life is so fast-paced as to be overwhelming so people might be subconsciously looking for an excuse for a way off the treadmill. Economic conditions are a house of cards. It's all very precarious.

    "The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
    You can't let go and you can't hold on
    You can't go back and you can't stand still
    If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will"

    A few years ago I was introduced to a BIG PARTY that is held in secret locations yearly for the membership (several hundred) and the first one was wonderful for me. People were permitted to do anything there they chose (including entheogenic drugs and open nudity). Some people spend all year getting ready with their plans and costumes. There is community sharing of amazing food, liqueur, maryjane, coffee and 24/7 live music. Camping will be raised to a level of art. Open "living rooms" are elaborate, and people wander, visiting and catching up with old friends. WHEEEE!!!!!

    I was inspired to use some money I had received from my husbands death to create a party like that one in honor of him. I worked on it for 6 months and held it under the June full moon in 2006. I spent 35,000 USD. It was the best party ever held anywhere. The music was amazing. The weather was perfect. I supplied the most delicious meals for volunteers. It was GREAT for all concerned. I felt enormous pride to be the provider and it did honor my musician bass maker husband's life. That was a triumph. It would not be repeated.

    After that experience, my familiarity with the BIG PARTY that I had encountered bored me over time. The enthusiasm I felt at first palled and after a few years, I am not interested in the process of making costumes, making an elaborate camp, traveling to the secret location and hanging out for 4 days. WHY?

    I think it is because for me, the party appeared to have a forced gaiety where people are deliberately trying to be fun. My musician friends hate gigs where they play the same songs. My dogs hate walking the same places. I have come to a conclusion that anything gets boring with repetition. The wheel can look like anything.

    This is my problem and its a big one when I consider "Would I like to live 300 years?" "What would make it worthwhile to stay in the confines of my "whheeeeel?" Nothing.
    Hi, Delight,

    Yes. Colin Wilson talks about this subject a lot. And it is the theme of the Interview with the Vampire movie...the vampire feels no pleasure because he became a callous sophisticate long, long ago, and he cannot die. That is a pretty good description of hell, I think. People become sated, and jaded, and bored from "too much" all the time,



    and life loses its freshness. I would never want to live to be 300, and I can't imagine the horror of living forever, even here on our beautiful Earth.

    addition As an aside, I would like to share this here, because I think there are definite brain correlates to this subject, if peeps are interested. The main player here is probably dopamine, perhaps along with serotonin, although Sapolsky is talking about dopamine in this video.

    Last edited by Selkie; 19th July 2015 at 13:17.

  37. The Following User Says Thank You to Selkie For This Post:

    Delight (19th July 2015)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 3 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts