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    Default SwissIndo - Interviews with M1 - in Laos, June 15 and 16, 2015 - plus related videos

    Two interviews with M1 were recorded in Laos on June 15 and 16, 2015. The interviews were published a few days later, in 11 short videos.

    If you haven't read my opening post in another thread:
    SwissIndo Announcement In Multiple National TV News Broadcasts And Newspapers,
    please read it now for a thorough introduction and a clearer view of the big picture, then proceed with the rest of this post.


    Quick introduction

    Four minute history lesson in HD, here

    M1, meaning Monetary One, is a code name for a real person who is known by several names: M1, a.k.a. Mr. Sino or Mr. Soegi or Mr. Soegihartonotononegoro; and several titles.

    More than two years ago, M1 made several announcements to the world about an unknown Trust with a long name, abbreviated to SwissIndo. I will refer to him mostly as M1 in this thread because that is the code name used to refer to him in the interview videos.

    Most who heard and read M1's messages two years ago and since then, did not understand most of what they were hearing and seeing. But that is about to change.

    A major eleventh-hour effort is being made to clarify M1's message and to get it out to as many people as possible before the deadline of August 17th, 2015 for every country in the world to accept a gift - a Country Quota payment - to each country - of 138 Trillion US Dollars, backed by gold and platinum assets with a value of one Quintillion US Dollars, certified by twelve highly prominent world leaders.

    Laos was the first country to accept the gift, on March 11, 2014. Has your country accepted the gift?

    American Dan Lutz heard about the May 5, 2015 SwissIndo announcement in Laos. He called the Laos office and made his travel arrangements. Lutz stayed in Laos for two weeks and had four personal meetings with M1.

    Keen to help spread the word, Lutz discussed the meetings with his expat American friend, Tracy Davison, who is based in the Philippines. For years, Davison has been on a mission to end hunger, starting with the Filipino people.

    Intrigued about the SwissIndo story, Davison recorded and published a video of a conversation between himself and Lutz about Mr. Soegi's announcement to the world. This provides an excellent overview, in clear language, and a good introduction to the many new videos that follow.

    Davison self-funded a trip to Laos for himself, Lutz and a cameraman, where they recorded a series of video interviews with Mr. Soegi (M1) on June 15 and 16, 2015.

    A few days later, Davison published eleven videos of the interviews on his pre-existing independent Daily Motion video channel under the title 60 Second Millionaire TV - M1 Show, then re-published the videos on YouTube on his End Hunger channel. He also published a few related follow-up videos.

    Note: the 60 Second Millionaire channel and the End Hunger channel both existed long before Lutz told him about his meetings with Mr. Soegi. Those channels were simply convenient locations for Davison to publish the videos as quickly as possible.

    Further interviews will be published in the near future. For the convenience of Project Avalon readers, I will post all the interviews, transcripts and related videos in this thread, in chronological order, for the sake of clarity.

    It is important to watch the videos in order so you don't scramble the overall message.


    The conversations before the interviews with M1

    Before travelling to Laos to record the interviews with M1, Tracy Davison recorded and published two videos of conversations with Dan Lutz who was in Laos for the May 5th, 2015 SwissIndo announcement ceremony. Lutz had four personal meetings with M1 over a two-week period.


    60 News Flash

    This video provides an overview of SwissIndo and an excellent introduction to the interviews with M1.

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...king-news_news
    YouTube copy:



    60 News Flash Update!

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...sh-update_news
    YouTube copy:



    The interviews with M1 in Laos

    The first ten interview videos were recorded on June 15, 2015. The eleventh interview video was recorded on June 16, 2015. Follow-up videos were recorded in the Philippines a few days later.

    Mr. Soegi is referred to as M1 in the interviews.

    A Transcript of the 11 videos of the Interviews with M1 is available here:
    TRANSCRIPT OF M1 INTERVIEWS FROM SYLVIA.pdf

    Interview with M1 Part 1

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-01_news
    YouTube copy:



    It's interesting to note that in the comments below the YouTube copy of this video, Karen Hudes stated "There is no M1." In fairness, most of this information was shrouded in secrecy and knowledge of it was limited to a relatively small number of people at the very highest levels of world leadership, way above Karen's pay-grade - until Mr. Soegi decided to end the secrecy and disclose it to the world.

    I have been informed privately that Ms Hudes has written to Mr. Soegi. Why would she say M1 doesn't exist? Is she in the dark or in denial? Time will tell.

    It is also apparent that Ms. Hudes did not watch all of the videos because she was asking for documentary evidence of that was shown in one of the vidoes. Tsk Tsk.

    It really makes no difference what people think or argue about M1 and Swissindo, especially when they don't know all the details. It does not alter his message. So let's just focus on his message, for the time being.


    Interview with M1 Part 2

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-02_news
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    Interview with M1 Part 3

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-03_news
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    Interview with M1 Part 4

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2uaxfp_interview-w-m1-04_news
    YouTube copy:


    Interview with M1 Part 05

    Original: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-05_news
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    Interview with M1 Part 6

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-06_news



    Interview with M1 Part 7

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-07_news



    Interview with M1 Part 8

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-08_news



    Interview with M1 Part 9

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...w-w-m1-09_news
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    Interview with M1 Part 10

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...-w-m1-010_news
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    Interview with M1 Part 11

    Mr. Soegi makes some strong points to world leaders, to the military forces of the world and to the Cabal.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...-w-m1-011_news
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    Public statement by Tracy Davison (reflecting after the interviews)

    Following those interviews, Tracy published a public comment on his Facebook page and a video of himself reading his Facebook comment and further reflection on what he himself was learning and feeling on the journey.

    Humanity as at a fork in the road. On one side, the Cabal. On the other, Swissindo.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...y-davison_news


    "WHEREHOUSE" - one of many vaults full of treasure

    Just something to contemplate. This feels long (21 minutes). There is a lot of loot. Pallets of currencies from all around the world, cases full of US Treasury (and other) bonds, bullion, gold coins (new and ancient), original design specifications for many of the world's currencies and other valuable things.

    I wish I knew the meaning of the lyrics in the songs playing in the video. I noticed one familiar word - "ingat" - which has similar meanings in Tagalog (Filipino) and Indonesian languages: Take care, remember, come back, plan, attentive, careful.
    I imagine the word came from sanskrit... and who knows where that came from.

    Copy posted on dailymotion.com
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...he-people_news
    Original posted on YouTube about 2 years ago.



    12-Term Congressman Ron Paul's Warning to Americans about the Coming Currency Crisis

    Quite long but very good information. They are promoting a book. Get over that and listen to what is being said.

    Also consider what is happening now with Greece defaulting on their national debt. Other countries are likely to default soon. Who will be next? Another of the PIIGS countries? (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain) ...or some other country?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...cy-crisis_news
    Youtube version:


    More interviews planned and website listing which countries have accepted the gift


    Lutz and Davison are heading back to Laos to record more interviews, this time with the Indonesian government officials who are going to Laos for meetings with M1.

    A new web site will list all the countries who have accepted the gift and countries who have not accepted the gift. Is Laos the only country who has accepted the gift? Find out soon. (link will be added when it becomes known)

    If your country has not accepted the gift, you may want to ask your government "why not?"

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v...m1-in-lao_news


    As more interview videos are published, I will add them here.

    If you still haven't read my opening post in another thread:
    SwissIndo Announcement In Multiple National TV News Broadcasts And Newspapers
    ,
    please read it now for a thorough introduction and a clearer view of the big picture.

    Thank you, Dan Lutz and Tracy Davison
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    Default Re: SwissIndo - Interviews with M1 - in Laos, June 15 and 16, 2015 - plus related videos

    I simply do not understand what common people can do. If this offer was made to the US and no one is reporting on it and no one in Congress knows about it then what does posting here going to accomplish reaching our government in one month? Mr. Lutz needs to contact all the major television stations or "radio" stations. Surely if he contacted FOX News they would give him some time. It would be great if each person could decide to opt-in or out. I'd take 6 million.

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    Kings, Queens, Presidents, Prime Ministers and other leaders of all countries have been notified.

    If you like, email a link to this thread to all of your members of congress, governors, mainstream news media, friends, strangers, family... Call them and ask them what they know about SwissIndo.

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    Oh YES LETS FIX THE ECONOMY BY MAKING "DIFFERENT" MONEY.........,UGGGGGGGGGGGGG
    IM so annoyed I CANT FIND WORDS
    WE ARE ALLL RICH AS HELL WITH RESOURCES S U R R O U N D I N G US......
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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    Every body becomes rich.nobody goes to work.that creates scarcity wish creates hyper inflation which makes the money worthless and you can't eat money.techknowology needs to released at the same time which can do the Labour of man then who needs money anyway .all I or anybody needs is equal access to the resources that we already have in adbudance

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    Quote Posted by Cjay (here)
    .....12-Term Congressman Ron Paul's Warning to Americans about the Coming Currency Crisis

    Quite long but very good information. They are promoting a book. Get over that and listen to what is being said.

    Also consider what is happening now with Greece defaulting on their national debt. Other countries are likely to default soon. Who will be next? Another of the PIIGS countries? (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain) ...or some other country?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u...cy-crisis_news
    Youtube version:

    OMG. Ron Paul's true self blatantly exposed as a fear mongering shill. I've never seen him this low and cheap and robotically scripted. Listen without looking. It's a word for word scripted info-mercial. This is a longtime actor/shill/stooge making another contribution to the PTB motus operandi of repeat repeat repeat as one of many stooges from many different angles.

    Is the right interpretation of this 'the PTB's desperate attempt to make this doomsday scenario happen of grabbing the last of (especially the prosperous boomer generation's) savings and property and implementing draconian laws under this pre-sold excuse' ....or.... 'the worst fear mongering to keep the loosh, insecurity and dependency on controls strong to keep the draconian laws coming without resistance'.... or.....

    I don't get what the benefit is to create a society where no one has enough money to buy these goods, medicines, foods, cars, etc... from all these corporations they've worked so hard to make so big and who have no reason for existence except to have slave-fools to usurp that money from....?

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    Oh YES LETS FIX THE ECONOMY BY MAKING "DIFFERENT" MONEY.........,UGGGGGGGGGGGGG
    IM so annoyed I CANT FIND WORDS
    WE ARE ALLL RICH AS HELL WITH RESOURCES S U R R O U N D I N G US......
    Should we do nothing and let each country get deeper and deeper into debt that they can never repay, until the current financial system self-destructs? And then the Cabal tightens the screws even more until they have bought up every struggling family's home and every struggling business?

    Money itself is not the problem. The problem is that banksters have been stealing it from every one of us with taxes, on almost every cent we earn or spend, that goes straight into the pockets of the banksters.

    Let's get rid of all debt and the usurers and re-purpose the banks.

    Money is at the heart of the matter but it is the heart that matters.

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    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    OMG. Ron Paul's true self blatantly exposed as a fear mongering shill. I've never seen him this low and cheap and robotically scripted. Listen without looking. It's a word for word scripted info-mercial. This is a longtime actor/shill/stooge making another contribution to the PTB motus operandi of repeat repeat repeat as one of many stooges from many different angles.

    Is the right interpretation of this 'the PTB's desperate attempt to make this doomsday scenario happen of grabbing the last of (especially the prosperous boomer generation's) savings and property and implementing draconian laws under this pre-sold excuse' ....or.... 'the worst fear mongering to keep the loosh, insecurity and dependency on controls strong to keep the draconian laws coming without resistance'.... or.....

    I don't get what the benefit is to create a society where no one has enough money to buy these goods, medicines, foods, cars, etc... from all these corporations they've worked so hard to make so big and who have no reason for existence except to have slave-fools to usurp that money from....?
    It's clear you don't like Ron Paul. I am Australian so I don't have any political feelings one way or the other about him. I agree, it was a scripted infomercial. I didn't feel it was fear porn. No fear here. "The economy is a mess, Fiat currency is mathematically destined to end in massive unpayable debt. Returning to currencies based by hard assets makes more sense. I wish we could snap our fingers and have a totally cashless society but we need a bridge between the old system and something better and fairer.

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    Should we do nothing and let each country get deeper and deeper into debt that they can never repay, until the current financial system self-destructs?
    Yes.

    And while we're at it, if we could do away with the current government, judicial, relgious, military, education, agriculture and health care systems that would also be to our advantage.

    All of these systems have become rotten to the core, poisoning our society like gangrenoues limbs on a wounded animal.

    We need to dismantle and rebuild from the ground up, not postpone the inevitable.

    The solution you're presenting is not a solution... it's a band aid.
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    Quote Posted by alh02 (here)
    Quote Posted by Cjay (here)
    Should we do nothing and let each country get deeper and deeper into debt that they can never repay, until the current financial system self-destructs?
    Yes.

    And while we're at it, if we could do away with the current government, judicial, relgious, military, education, agriculture and health care systems that would also be to our advantage.

    All of these systems have become rotten to the core, poisoning our society like gangrenoues limbs on a wounded animal.

    We need to destroy and rebuild from the ground up, not postpone the inevitable.

    The solution you're presenting is not a solution... it's a band aid.
    It is true that a lot of rot needs to be cut out of the system. If we amputate the Cabal, we get rid of worst of the gangrene. What is salvagable should be re-purposed in true service to humanity. We have been traumatised. Healing our hearts and minds will take time. Rebuilding will take decades.

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    Quote Posted by alh02 (here)
    Quote Posted by Cjay (here)
    Should we do nothing and let each country get deeper and deeper into debt that they can never repay, until the current financial system self-destructs?
    Yes.

    And while we're at it, if we could do away with the current government, judicial, relgious, military, education, agriculture and health care systems that would also be to our advantage.

    All of these systems have become rotten to the core, poisoning our society like gangrenoues limbs on a wounded animal.

    We need to destroy and rebuild from the ground up, not postpone the inevitable.

    The solution you're presenting is not a solution... it's a band aid.
    I have to agree, but how to even rebuild with only trustworthy people? Sorry to be such a pessimist, but maybe realistically even 'good' cycles of peace, fairness and equality are unsustainable due to human nature and Earth appearing to be a place to screw up and learn from your reality making consequences. The issue I like the least however is the young and/or vulnerable humans and/or animals being hurt, and wish that suffering could be eradicated first.

    And Cjay...Re: Ron Paul, I used to buy his seemingly direct telling it like it is and really only now realizing what a deep player he was all along, and that it means it's worth now taking a look at what his assignment all along. And I super disagree---if that sky-is-falling-in-every-way info-mercial wasn't as bad as fear porn gets what is?!!

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    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I have to agree, but how to even rebuild with only trustworthy people? Sorry to be such a pessimist, but maybe realistically even 'good' cycles of peace, fairness and equality are unsustainable due to human nature and Earth appearing to be a place to screw up and learn from your reality making consequences. The issue I like the least however is the young and/or vulnerable humans and/or animals being hurt, and wish that suffering could be eradicated first.
    Transparent checks and balances will be in place. Protection - of all people, the Earth, including the air, water and all life - is one of the key purposes of Payments 1-11.

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    And Cjay...Re: Ron Paul, I used to buy his seemingly direct telling it like it is and really only now realizing what a deep player he was all along, and that it means it's worth now taking a look at what his assignment all along. And I super disagree---if that sky-is-falling-in-every-way info-mercial wasn't as bad as fear porn gets what is?!!
    Ron Paul is just one voice. Many thousands of commentators worldwide are saying similar things. If you don't trust what Ron Paul says, ignore him and find out what others are saying about the same subjects. Fear is one possibe reaction to bad news, regardless of the source. Choosing to move beyond fear empowers us to take positive steps toward resolving the situation.

    If 99.9% do nothing, the 0.1% win. If 1% of the population took persistent positive action in relation to any issue - the 0.1% would be totally overwhelmed.

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    Quote Posted by Cjay (here)
    Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
    Oh YES LETS FIX THE ECONOMY BY MAKING "DIFFERENT" MONEY.........,UGGGGGGGGGGGGG
    IM so annoyed I CANT FIND WORDS
    WE ARE ALLL RICH AS HELL WITH RESOURCES S U R R O U N D I N G US......
    Should we do nothing and let each country get deeper and deeper into debt that they can never repay, until the current financial system self-destructs? And then the Cabal tightens the screws even more until they have bought up every struggling family's home and every struggling business?

    Money itself is not the problem. The problem is that banksters have been stealing it from every one of us with taxes, on almost every cent we earn or spend, that goes straight into the pockets of the banksters.

    Let's get rid of all debt and the usurers and re-purpose the banks.

    Money is at the heart of the matter but it is the heart that matters.

    I do not believe i ever said---- We should DO NOTHING?

    Yes lets take PAPER (or metal or whtever the hell is used) resource from one tree/earth and turn around to pay for another RESOURCE?! The resources which have been designed TO BE F R E E ........





    IF the WHOLE GLOBE was cultivated as a garden and there were EATABLE PLANTS AND TREES in every space GRASS grows theres FOOD in abundance......And theres ABSOLUTELY no reason for homelessness in a world FULL OF WOOD.....

    There no reason to make things MORE COMPLICATED.....theres no reason to CONTINUE THE MIDDLE MAN ****....


    There are NO INBETWEENS setting Humanity apart from what was designed TO BE FREE and taken WITHOUT ANY PAPER, DOCUMENT, MUMBO JUMBO, BUREAUCRATIC, ALICE IN WONDERLAND SYSTEM OF INSANITY


    Quite simply......a system HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO PLACE.....its humanities job now to transition from a system of death to a system of LIFE.....ANYTHING BUILT ON THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM parading DIFFERENT banners will be the cycle of our insanity and NOTHING WILL COME OF IT
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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    Well, perhaps all that has to happen is for someone to self realize.

    Right now, we can trace the existence of common currency, courts, government, military and church all the way back to the Romans. They were the ones who took over most of Europe and brought these institutions into existence for the masses and these institutions all still exist everywhere in the western world.

    However, they are quite mindless because of this.

    None of the original people who started these things are still involved with them, they actually died over 2000 years ago, every single one of them. So, what has been continuing, in their absence, is a line of people chosen by birth. If you found yourself born into a family that had this, that is what you would be expected to do, and, the rules that were there before you even arrived are what keeps you there.

    Also, because of this, everyone is too afraid to ever change the rules.

    No one will accept responsibility for actually being the living thing: the real deal: the one who is in the here and now!

    They all need to self realize. They need to examine what was, and look at what is, and make some darn decisions!

    Which I can safely say is simply a matter of self recognizing. You need to be here now, for, you are here now.


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    Default Re: SwissIndo - Interviews with M1 - in Laos, June 15 and 16, 2015 - plus related videos

    Hi CJay

    Since by starting a new thread you kind of erased the opposition, I will repost here what I had posted there, in the other thread. I do think that discussions and views have to be balanced with all side having their input, otherwise you are recreating exactly what PTB and the cabal do on a regular basis, hiding opposition, not giving the entire view points to all, for all to decide freely.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...063#post976063

    Quote https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976014
    The way I understood this proposal of giving us stippens on a monthly basis, to all the planet's inhabitants, erasing all debts, and making sure we all live on the same source of monthly stippens for our basic needs, sound sooooooooo much like having everyone Under one and only Financial control.

    This smells NWO and Cabal, even if Asian, like never before. Erase all debts, have everybody jumping with joy from left and right, have them willingly open their bank account electronically, and then pour just enough for monthly survival, and have them wait for their stippens monthly. How much more control can you ever have????

    Wake up people. It is either a fraudulent person altogether, or a fraudulent cause - putting on you the Financial shackles tighter and tighter (we already have the shackles, they are just not tight enough yet).

    This is how I view it, if that proposal was ever a true one, which I doubt as well.

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    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976051
    I think that the 6 milions in question remains in the coffer of the SwissIndo in Indonesia and is never given to you as such, it is given by montly stippens, What he is doing is "reserving" the 6 millions, period. Then giving you montly stippens.

    Read carefully and listen to the videos. You will see.

    But, if even Avalonians are confounded, imagine how the general masses will react. They will see only goodies and no hook.

    AND I am not blinded at all, not at may age, nor with my business experience and I have no fear. The only thing that may happen to me is dying, and it will at some point. Your way of putting blames and jugdments on my own thoughts process shows that you are taken by it quite totally. I am here quite cold while looking at the SwissIndo stuff.

    YOU read carefully, with an open mind, instead of dreams and wishes, you will see for yourself.

    That said, I do think that something has to be done in terms of world finance, but this SwissIndo is a hook.

    Why not look at micro finance stratégies instead, where everything is local and cannot be centrally controlled.

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    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976063
    Well, Cjay, you seems to be sold to Swiss Indo.

    I do not need comments of delegates who have only seen promises. They all work for free and have not seen the money. They may as well be working for the Cabal and not know it. I have seen so many such comments in advertising of cars as well. Or in the cultish catholic Church for example. Bring something to the table, numbers and facts, not comments and opinions.

    Please, reread my post, and answer it.

    I suggest everyone on this thread to thread carefully with this. Read the articles, listen to the videos and DO read the critics, with an open mind.

    In my views, it does not make it as legitimate good will. But not with a 20 foot pole.

    Add to this what is going on in the Chinese market place, and the value of their shares, what is going on in Greece, and in Ukraine as well, and add Swiss Indo offers. Just in time before a worldwide Financial crisis - putting the shackle on your montly living.

    No more to be said.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Hi CJay

    Since by starting a new thread you kind of erased the opposition, I will repost here what I had posted there, in the other thread. I do think that discussions and views have to be balanced with all side having their input, otherwise you are recreating exactly what PTB and the cabal do on a regular basis, hiding opposition, not giving the entire view points to all, for all to decide freely.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...063#post976063

    Quote https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976014
    The way I understood this proposal of giving us stippens on a monthly basis, to all the planet's inhabitants, erasing all debts, and making sure we all live on the same source of monthly stippens for our basic needs, sound sooooooooo much like having everyone Under one and only Financial control.

    This smells NWO and Cabal, even if Asian, like never before. Erase all debts, have everybody jumping with joy from left and right, have them willingly open their bank account electronically, and then pour just enough for monthly survival, and have them wait for their stippens monthly. How much more control can you ever have????

    Wake up people. It is either a fraudulent person altogether, or a fraudulent cause - putting on you the Financial shackles tighter and tighter (we already have the shackles, they are just not tight enough yet).

    This is how I view it, if that proposal was ever a true one, which I doubt as well.

    -------------
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976051
    I think that the 6 milions in question remains in the coffer of the SwissIndo in Indonesia and is never given to you as such, it is given by montly stippens, What he is doing is "reserving" the 6 millions, period. Then giving you montly stippens.

    Read carefully and listen to the videos. You will see.

    But, if even Avalonians are confounded, imagine how the general masses will react. They will see only goodies and no hook.

    AND I am not blinded at all, not at may age, nor with my business experience and I have no fear. The only thing that may happen to me is dying, and it will at some point. Your way of putting blames and jugdments on my own thoughts process shows that you are taken by it quite totally. I am here quite cold while looking at the SwissIndo stuff.

    YOU read carefully, with an open mind, instead of dreams and wishes, you will see for yourself.

    That said, I do think that something has to be done in terms of world finance, but this SwissIndo is a hook.

    Why not look at micro finance stratégies instead, where everything is local and cannot be centrally controlled.

    --------------------
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post976063
    Well, Cjay, you seems to be sold to Swiss Indo.

    I do not need comments of delegates who have only seen promises. They all work for free and have not seen the money. They may as well be working for the Cabal and not know it. I have seen so many such comments in advertising of cars as well. Or in the cultish catholic Church for example. Bring something to the table, numbers and facts, not comments and opinions.

    Please, reread my post, and answer it.

    I suggest everyone on this thread to thread carefully with this. Read the articles, listen to the videos and DO read the critics, with an open mind.

    In my views, it does not make it as legitimate good will. But not with a 20 foot pole.

    Add to this what is going on in the Chinese market place, and the value of their shares, what is going on in Greece, and in Ukraine as well, and add Swiss Indo offers. Just in time before a worldwide Financial crisis - putting the shackle on your montly living.

    No more to be said.
    Since I'm not involved with this, at all, and can bring a third person perspective, I think I shall.

    Shortly after I graduated from secondary school and was in the work force full time, family owned businesses, subdividing and mechanical systems, utilities and water and sewage, we did everything here in our small town, the high school I went to started a work for credit program, where senior students could come to our job site and earn credits while getting hands on experience designing and building things.

    I had a group of 4 students one summer, 3 of them knew tools enough to use them and help with whatever we were constructing, however the 4th was all thumbs when it came to these things. He did however have a sketch pad with him in his nap-sack at all times, and the pencils and what not to draw. He did sketches during lunches, and he was extremely good at that.

    Within the first few weeks of that summer, I relegated him to taking notes, and drawing sketches of whatever we were doing, and asked him if this was ok, that he not use tools like the rest of us, to which he agreed.

    The reality here on Earth is that we do not need everybody, to have everything we need done: done. And, we have not for a very long time now. Forcing everyone to participate some how in this capitalistic monster is what is killing everything on this Earth today. That mind set is directly responsible for the mountains and mountains of garbage being produced every year.

    Just as an example, here in Canada, even before the mass onset of "factory farming" it only took about 1% of our population to grow 100% of our food.

    I am currently one of 50 or so master refrigeration mechanics in and around the city of Ottawa, a city of 1 million people, and we 50 keep all of the food cold and the ice cream frozen, city wide. All the beer cold, all the produce cold, and of course all of the industry where cooling is needed.

    This works out to 0.00005% of the population. (four zero's) A similar number of master electricians keep the lights on.

    So, whatever the solution, it has to include the reality that we just do not need everybody "gainfully employed" and if we continue to foster that precedent we will only succeed in killing what remains of the biosphere here, the systems that support and make life even possible here in the first place.

    As a species, Humans have, actually, repeatedly, made moves to have a 4 day work week, which was supposed to quickly move to a 3 day work week. Job sharing has been proposed over and over again, where every job became the responsibility of 2 people, both of whom would work half as much and have twice the free time to work on other endeavours, like family and home and crafts.

    All of these initiatives were squashed by TPTB and a fierce charge in the other direction is what happened. People need now 3 jobs each, or something ridiculous like that, just to have a home and family.

    peace.
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    Default Re: SwissIndo - Interviews with M1 - in Laos, June 15 and 16, 2015 - plus related videos

    Quote As a species, Humans have, actually, repeatedly, made moves to have a 4 day work week, which was supposed to quickly move to a 3 day work week. Job sharing has been proposed over and over again, where every job became the responsibility of 2 people, both of whom would work half as much and have twice the free time to work on other endeavours, like family and home and crafts.

    All of these initiatives were squashed by TPTB and a fierce charge in the other direction is what happened. People need now 3 jobs each, or something ridiculous like that, just to have a home and family.
    I do not know if your argument was a counter argument, because I fully agree with what you say.

    Nobody should have to work 40 hours plus in these days and age. We do have the technologies to avoid working so hard. While everybody should give a hand within their 20 hours work week

    However, what I see with SwissIndo is the centralisation of capital instead of the decentralisation. And making eveyone hook to monthly stippens. This centralisation is its biggest risk factor, it makes us dépendent, not independent. And also all hook on electronical control of capital. This is my point. It looks like plan B of PTB, if plan A does not work, for an global Financial control of everyone's finance. Ask people in North Korea if they like that system. Even the size of their apartment and the number of bicycles they have is controlled through "deemed good behavior" gudged by government agents - central control of incomes and capital.

    Change the structure of the capital handling, in the actual banks or with Swiss Indo and you change the story and benefits for all as well.

    I have seen too many promises over time not to check at everything.

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    OK, well, in line with what I mentioned above, the numbers are not in favour of any type of system what so ever. The one we have now is broken, and it is breaking everything around it. Everything. And the truth is, there are what I call the 4 columns of Humanity, the 4 essential needs we all have, and they are the columns that I call Farmers, Teachers, Technicians and Artists. Within those 4 columns are everything we need, and, these people, all of them real and all of them working, by the way, is everything we need. However, these people only make up, at most, 7% of our population. The other 93% of us are doing ... whatever they're doing, but is has nothing to do with food, shelter and health.

    These 4 columns all overlap, and doctors exist between Teaching and Tech, with a little bit of Art thrown in, for example. All columns have a little bit of art thrown in, and of course Artists are mostly art and less of everything else. All essential services are in there. And, every indigenous Human culture has maintained bead workers and artists. Those who made musical instruments and those who played them. None of these services have anything to do with food, water, shelter and raising young, yet they have always been maintained and respected by the communities they lived in.

    And right now, if anyone on Earth who has a home, but does not continue to pay their electric bills, their water bills and all of these recurring charges levied against everyone everywhere, also including the property taxes, they will loose their home and way of life completely, and by force. Police with guns will come to their house and remove them.

    THIS can not be ignored, yet.

    What this capitalistic model has produced is effectively a giant hamster wheel, so big and so mindless that it completely now destroys everything it runs over, and, Humans who do not get onto the hamster wheel and keep running beside everyone else who is on it and helping to propel it forward, indefinitely, will themselves be run over and destroyed by it.

    That predicament needs to change, regardless to how it is done, in my book. That hamster wheel needs to be completely de-constructed now, and split into millions or billions of tiny pieces, none of which has the ability to destroy anything.

    Corporations are the all powerful now, and they are mindless. We need similar empowerment broken down and given to the masses, the vast majority of which, 99.99999% are mindful, and present, and will not do destructive things.

    I'm not going to base my way of life on what 0.000001% of the Human population MIGHT do with more freedom, that's a ridiculous idea, based on fear, and is completely disempowering.
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    Quote As a species, Humans have, actually, repeatedly, made moves to have a 4 day work week, which was supposed to quickly move to a 3 day work week. Job sharing has been proposed over and over again, where every job became the responsibility of 2 people, both of whom would work half as much and have twice the free time to work on other endeavours, like family and home and crafts.

    All of these initiatives were squashed by TPTB and a fierce charge in the other direction is what happened. People need now 3 jobs each, or something ridiculous like that, just to have a home and family.
    I do not know if your argument was a counter argument, because I fully agree with what you say.

    Nobody should have to work 40 hours plus in these days and age. We do have the technologies to avoid working so hard. While everybody should give a hand within their 20 hours work week

    However, what I see with SwissIndo is the centralisation of capital instead of the decentralisation. And making eveyone hook to monthly stippens. This centralisation is its biggest risk factor, it makes us dépendent, not independent. And also all hook on electronical control of capital. This is my point. It looks like plan B of PTB, if plan A does not work, for an global Financial control of everyone's finance. Ask people in North Korea if they like that system. Even the size of their apartment and the number of bicycles they have is controlled through "deemed good behavior" gudged by government agents - central control of incomes and capital.

    Change the structure of the capital handling, in the actual banks or with Swiss Indo and you change the story and benefits for all as well.

    I have seen too many promises over time not to check at everything.

    Here's a little new information from Neil Keenan....just to confuse things even further:

    https://foreverunlimited.wordpress.c...-truth-part-2/

    Towards the end, Neil has this to say:

    "Here is one more ongoing scam group promoting the same old Swissindo con – Mr. Sino, M1 con, who was never elected to be the M1 for the Global Collateral Accounts. Promoters Dan Lutz and Tracy Davisdson (ex-Zeek pimp flees to Philippines) promote this false Thailand con-artist impostor Mr. Sino (also with an address in Cirebon, Indonesia), who is trying to trump the real Mr. Edy Seno Soetanto, the heir son of the Grantee of the President Soekarno trust accounts, which relate to the collateral account assets."

    Go figure!!
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    Quite simply......a system HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO PLACE.....its humanities job now to transition from a system of death to a system of LIFE.....ANYTHING BUILT ON THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM parading DIFFERENT banners will be the cycle of our insanity and NOTHING WILL COME OF IT
    Transition is the key word here. We need to be very clear about what we want and do not want in our collective future. There will be a period of transition from the chaotic, unfair system we have now, to a system that we collectively desire and co-create.

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