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    A former neighbor contacted me asking what I thought about "The New World Order 2015" and my response is about my own experience of finding myself in fear of upcoming events.

    Enough Good People

    The Day the Twin Towers fell
    I was Muslim
    A real Muslim
    I fasted in Ramadhan
    I prayed in Arabic
    I taught at the local madrasa
    My youngest daughter chose to wear hijab the day before
    I was a practicing Muslim

    I remember that day vividly
    Watching the TV screen in horror
    I saw in a moment
    - World War III
    - Muslims in concentration camps
    - Destruction and fear over the globe

    That was fourteen years ago

    World War III did not happen
    My community was not put in camps

    Sure, some bad things happened
    Some people had horrible things transpire

    But my personal experience was different
    - Neighbors checked in on us with compassion
    - My daughter’s school made sure she was safe and respected
    - My husband’s employer offered him strong emotional support

    I knew I had two choices
    - I could hide and stay “safe”
    - Or, I could expose myself and make connections

    I chose to use my fear as a motivating force for positive change and decided to expose myself in a big way

    Collectively, Muslims had to stop living invisibly
    They had to start defining themselves, rather than letting others define who they were
    So what could I do? A simple housewife and mother?

    For the sake of my children’s future I
    - Joined interfaith discussion groups and events
    - Organized city-sponsored events for Bellevue and Redmond, WA inviting the general public to “experience” the festivities of Eid at the end of Ramadhan
    - Spoke publicly at the city of Woodinville’s first anniversary commemoration of 9/11
    - And so on…

    With all this, the Truth was exposed

    Not the truth about the details of the events on that fateful day of September 11

    -But the Truth that we are fundamentally good and caring. We all need each other so we can be nurtured and cared-for so we can grow like seeds planted in rich soil.

    The nature of Truth is that it wants to be known, so eventually the truth about the events has leaked out and some very brave people have stepped forward to deliver that information.

    To me, there are many facets to truth. I feel that when we connect with the deeper aspects of Truth – meaning who we really are at our core – we can embody the positive change we want to experience in the world.

    Now, we have another opportunity – to decide how we are going to face the fear of potential events the last half of 2015.

    We can choose – retreat or connection.

    It only takes Enough Good People.


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    Quote Posted by Hathor (here)
    A former neighbor contacted me asking what I thought about "The New World Order 2015" and my response is about my own experience of finding myself in fear of upcoming events.

    Enough Good People

    The Day the Twin Towers fell
    I was Muslim
    A real Muslim
    I fasted in Ramadhan
    I prayed in Arabic
    I taught at the local madrasa
    My youngest daughter chose to wear hijab the day before
    I was a practicing Muslim

    I remember that day vividly
    Watching the TV screen in horror
    I saw in a moment
    - World War III
    - Muslims in concentration camps
    - Destruction and fear over the globe

    That was fourteen years ago

    World War III did not happen
    My community was not put in camps

    Sure, some bad things happened
    Some people had horrible things transpire

    But my personal experience was different
    - Neighbors checked in on us with compassion
    - My daughter’s school made sure she was safe and respected
    - My husband’s employer offered him strong emotional support

    I knew I had two choices
    - I could hide and stay “safe”
    - Or, I could expose myself and make connections

    I chose to use my fear as a motivating force for positive change and decided to expose myself in a big way

    Collectively, Muslims had to stop living invisibly
    They had to start defining themselves, rather than letting others define who they were
    So what could I do? A simple housewife and mother?

    For the sake of my children’s future I
    - Joined interfaith discussion groups and events
    - Organized city-sponsored events for Bellevue and Redmond, WA inviting the general public to “experience” the festivities of Eid at the end of Ramadhan
    - Spoke publicly at the city of Woodinville’s first anniversary commemoration of 9/11
    - And so on…

    With all this, the Truth was exposed

    Not the truth about the details of the events on that fateful day of September 11

    -But the Truth that we are fundamentally good and caring. We all need each other so we can be nurtured and cared-for so we can grow like seeds planted in rich soil.

    The nature of Truth is that it wants to be known, so eventually the truth about the events has leaked out and some very brave people have stepped forward to deliver that information.

    To me, there are many facets to truth. I feel that when we connect with the deeper aspects of Truth – meaning who we really are at our core – we can embody the positive change we want to experience in the world.

    Now, we have another opportunity – to decide how we are going to face the fear of potential events the last half of 2015.

    We can choose – retreat or connection.

    It only takes Enough Good People.

    This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever read.

    I was living near Yuba City, California, which has a large Sikh population, when they did 9/11, and for weeks afterward many of the Sikhs went into hiding because they were afraid of being mistaken for Muslims. I felt so badly about that, and I was ashamed of my government for propagandizing my countrymen to hate Muslims, and that Muslims were being blamed for the atrocity of 9/11, and being hated on, and that Muslims, and even Sikhs, were afraid for their safety because of the ignorance of some American people and the mendacity of our government. So I would like to offer my apologies for the rank ignorance and stupidity of some of my countrymen, and for the disgusting perfidiousness our government. Enough Good People uniting in peace and harmony is the worst nightmare of the psychopaths who have captured the governments of the world.
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    When 911 happened , I met some students from Saudi Arabia that were Muslims , they were some of the nicest , well mannered gentle ,men I have ever met ... they spoke out against the terrorist ... I fought with my own kind over perceptions , most people have never met a real true Muslim , if they did they would have a very different viewpoint ... being nice and respectful is a choice , too many allow the actions/words of others to influence them ... our very being is tied up in the way we think ... controlling our thoughts is the key to our future survival , we can influence the world to be good , do good , and live rightly but , at the end of the day it's a choice each person has to make and live with ... my old saying is what you do today you live with tomorrow ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Bless you for your wisdom and action.

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    Here is an example of good people uniting.
    As Silkie writes: "Good People uniting in peace and harmony is the worst nightmare of the psychopaths who have captured the governments of the world."

    This below came from a friend living in Japan. She says this is what is going on with the Japanese people.
    There are large protests against the government changing the constitution and allowing war with their "self-defense" platform.
    This below is current - a PEACE MANIFESTO put together by good people at Kyoto University.

    A war begins under the name of self-defense.
    A war benefits the weapon industry.
    A war spins out of control immediately after it begins.

    A war is more difficult to finish than to begin.
    A war hurts not only soldiers, but also the elderly and children.
    A war damages the body, and goes deep inside the heart.

    The human spirit is not to be manipulated.
    Human life is not a means to somebody else’s end.

    The sea should not be swamped by military bases.
    The sky should not be defiled with the roars of fighter planes.

    We wish to live in a special country that is proud of its wisdom,
    rather than in a ‘normal’ country that esteems military contribution.

    Scholarship is not a weapon of war.
    Scholarship is not a tool of business.
    Scholarship is not to serve power.

    In order to protect and create a place to live and the freedom to think, we must wholeheartedly strike the conceited government.
    Kyoto University Campaign for Freedom and Peace

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    for this important topic (and its excellent opening post).

    It should concern us all. George Green is famous for his oft-quoted remark from our (Camelot's) 2008 interview with him:

    If a train’s coming down here and your car is parked right over here, and if I don’t tell you the train’s there, then shame on you for not knowing and shame on me for not telling you.


    On the forum here, I've often referred to my experience as a mountaineer, sometimes guiding/leading inexperienced people in potentially dangerous situations. In over 35 years, no-one I was responsible for ever even experienced a scratch. But part of the reason for that was being awake and aware to real hazards all the time. I wrote here, in response to a query from a member who was concerned I might be 'fear-mongering':
    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive scenario. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.
    Right. None of this doomsday stuff will come true... Notice Ebola is dying down, after multiple people tried to pump it out of all proportion. Last year Syria and DHS insiders were in fashion.

    A lot of us have spent time this summer compiling lists of simple technology that could solve nearly every major problem we have. Bill has provided (and paid for) a good platform for us to meet, but has completely ignored all our efforts. Instead of helping us promote our findings, we get more unfounded speculation and vague eschatology. I've invited him to cooperate several times, to no avail.

    Join the winning team, Bill.
    Thanks for this, but from what you write, I think that maybe you don't understand me fully. Perhaps I can say a little more!

    Everyone who knows me personally understands that I'm an extraordinarily positive person. But it's my JOB to warn of dangers and to consider contingencies.

    I never intentionally 'spread fear'. This is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind.

    If I'm guiding a client on a mountain (I used to do this, as a semi-professional mountaineer), and I sense an avalanche danger, or a coming storm, or that it may be too late in the day to make the summit and return safely to camp, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.

    Sometimes I'd make the call, and sometimes I'd consult with my clients, partners or friends to ask them what personal risk they were willing to take. But they would need to be well-informed of the facts.

    Sometimes, the facts are just not certain; but I'd still need to inform them of possibilities.

    I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.

    For me, the issues are about balance, accuracy and perspective.
    If George Green's train always fails to materialize, after one has panicked and scrambled each time to get one's car out of the way, it becomes a Wolf, Wolf situation that is itself dangerous as it generates complacency. And complacent mountaineers usually meet with accidents (they really do, eventually).

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    for this important topic (and its excellent opening post).

    It should concern us all. George Green is famous for his oft-quoted remark from our (Camelot's) 2008 interview with him:

    If a train’s coming down here and your car is parked right over here, and if I don’t tell you the train’s there, then shame on you for not knowing and shame on me for not telling you.


    On the forum here, I've often referred to my experience as a mountaineer, sometimes guiding/leading inexperienced people in potentially dangerous situations. In over 35 years, no-one I was responsible for ever even experienced a scratch. But part of the reason for that was being awake and aware to real hazards all the time. I wrote here, in response to a query from a member who was concerned I might be 'fear-mongering':
    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive scenario. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.
    Right. None of this doomsday stuff will come true... Notice Ebola is dying down, after multiple people tried to pump it out of all proportion. Last year Syria and DHS insiders were in fashion.

    A lot of us have spent time this summer compiling lists of simple technology that could solve nearly every major problem we have. Bill has provided (and paid for) a good platform for us to meet, but has completely ignored all our efforts. Instead of helping us promote our findings, we get more unfounded speculation and vague eschatology. I've invited him to cooperate several times, to no avail.

    Join the winning team, Bill.
    Thanks for this, but from what you write, I think that maybe you don't understand me fully. Perhaps I can say a little more!

    Everyone who knows me personally understands that I'm an extraordinarily positive person. But it's my JOB to warn of dangers and to consider contingencies.

    I never intentionally 'spread fear'. This is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind.

    If I'm guiding a client on a mountain (I used to do this, as a semi-professional mountaineer), and I sense an avalanche danger, or a coming storm, or that it may be too late in the day to make the summit and return safely to camp, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.

    Sometimes I'd make the call, and sometimes I'd consult with my clients, partners or friends to ask them what personal risk they were willing to take. But they would need to be well-informed of the facts.

    Sometimes, the facts are just not certain; but I'd still need to inform them of possibilities.

    I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.

    For me, the issues are about balance, accuracy and perspective.
    If George Green's train always fails to materialize, after one has panicked and scrambled each time to get one's car out of the way, it becomes a Wolf, Wolf situation that is itself dangerous as it generates complacency. And complacent mountaineers usually meet with accidents (they really do, eventually).
    Yes. When there are real dangers involved in an activity, any activity, it is hardly fear mongering to warn others of those dangers. As a matter of fact, to know, but not warn, is reprehensible.

    Thanks, Bill

    addition Btw, if someone accused you of fear mongering they do not have their head on straight.
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    Here's the paradox in all this, and I'll illustrate it with a real example.

    Back in 2009-10, there was a real scare about Swine Flu (H5N1). Jane Burgermeister (who I interviewed), and many others, blew the whistle loudly.

    There was no 1918-style global pandemic, as we're all aware. But I know personally a bunch of very able people who worked behind the scenes on a spiritual level to make sure the threat didn't materialize. And if I knew one such group, there were probably a hundred other groups doing similar work.

    When enough of those Good People get to work (and I think they often do!), they do NOT trumpet what they're doing, and attract little or no attention to themselves. They just very quietly and competently do their job.

    Some of those Good People do need to be supported in being kept well aware of current scenarios and plans (and those are real, as George Green's train sometimes is). Then they focus on the issues, and do their very quiet but powerful thing.

    The problem is always (for myself and thousands of others, including many reading this who are also trying to raise awareness) that one's addressing an unknown, 'mixed-ability' audience.

    By that, I mean no disrespect: I'm referring to the plain fact that people will respond (or react) to information in widely differing individual ways. Some will have nightmares, some will panic, some will become disempowered by anxiety: but others will take action — in an equally wide variety of possible ways.

    That action can include quiet, invisible action, which can change the world around us in ways that are real but just as invisible. In my strong personal opinion, that's we want Enough Good People to be doing.
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    Then I'd better get busy.

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    I agree with you Bill; i´ll just love if you consider that sometimes in the path on a montain, good advise is great to be aware. be aware of the dangers to be save and aware of the best places/views/scenario to enjoy the ride. A safe and enjoyable path. Thanks for all your doing. WE couldn´t really ask for more. With all my love and respect.
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    I have been looking into the thoughts, writings, and the documentary on HOWARD ZINN - another "good" man who had made a difference, and shall continue to do so as people become inspired by him and his work. To quote Mr. Zinn:

    "We grow up in a controlled society, where we are told that when one person kills another person, that is murder, but when the government kills a hundred thousand, that is patriotism."

    He also notes that it is the small positive actions of everyday good people that build and build and build, and produce results in society.

    The documentary of his work is called, "You Can't be Neutral on a Moving Train" (released in 2004, narrated by Matt Damon). It is available on this linked to page: http://freedocumentaries.org/documen...a-moving-train

    Here is Matt Damon speaking the actual words of Howard Zinn (it is only 5 minutes long). I recommend listening to this, and reflecting on "people obey" and what we need is civil disobedience:


    An interview of Howard Zinn is here:

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    I loved this so much I shared it on my Facebook! Thanks so much for spreading ideas of what to do!

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    "In communities across America, Represent.Us members are working together — conservatives, progressives and everyone in between — to pass local Anti-Corruption Acts."
    "There are more than 23,000 municipalities and 27 states where the People can bypass politicians and enact Anti-Corruption Acts themselves."

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    Im not sure why but this post really hit me with inspiration. Is it that we live in an era when dark minds hold the overwhelming amount of power and perhaps most of these minds dont even know they have gotten so dark. Is it the end justifies the means mentality that is really nothing but an excuse to do as thou will. I feel I was inspired because i too feel strongly that there is good men and woman out there doing their best against overwhelming forces. Their victories are silenced not announced, their hardships are kept deep within themselves, not having anyone that can be trusted. I would bet that their spouses dont even know how many times they contributed to saving lives. They have never seen a medal or stars pinned on them, but just the solitude of knowing that they are doing the right thing in the eyes of the creator. To use a starwars analogy its as if the dark power executed order 666 destroying all that which was good in defending the republic and now all the jedi's have gone covert/underground for protection. I know many of us including myself are seeking spiritual paths but whats the purpose of it if our spirits are not in the fight of the universal furies of positive and negative forces. Perhaps it is this that evolves our spirits more than anything else and is what truly animates us.

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    Quote Posted by Blue Mobius (here)
    Im not sure why but this post really hit me with inspiration. Is it that we live in an era when dark minds hold the overwhelming amount of power and perhaps most of these minds dont even know they have gotten so dark. Is it the end justifies the means mentality that is really nothing but an excuse to do as thou will. I feel I was inspired because i too feel strongly that there is good men and woman out there doing their best against overwhelming forces. Their victories are silenced not announced, their hardships are kept deep within themselves, not having anyone that can be trusted. I would bet that their spouses dont even know how many times they contributed to saving lives. They have never seen a medal or stars pinned on them, but just the solitude of knowing that they are doing the right thing in the eyes of the creator. To use a starwars analogy its as if the dark power executed order 666 destroying all that which was good in defending the republic and now all the jedi's have gone covert/underground for protection. I know many of us including myself are seeking spiritual paths but whats the purpose of it if our spirits are not in the fight of the universal furies of positive and negative forces. Perhaps it is this that evolves our spirits more than anything else and is what truly animates us.
    Brilliant. Simply brilliant.



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    P.S. With all respect, I personally would be very cautious of Howard Zinn. Its clear he has many good things to say that I would agree with but there are some little things thrown out there like bombs against free western civilization that would in my opinion be counter productive. Im sure he feels he is doing the right thing and I still have respect for the man. But when suggested that the constitution will not give you democracy I would at that point walk away. Its not hard for an honest intellectual to understand that it is the fabric of a free and just society and I challenge anyone to take a look into the nations that lack a true and just constitution and tell me if you would want to live and raise children there.

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    Quote Now, we have another opportunity – to decide how we are going to face the fear of potential events the last half of 2015.

    We can choose – retreat or connection.

    It only takes Enough Good People.
    I just refuse to worry about it. If something happens, like everything else, I'll take it as it comes.
    Fretting about something which may or may not happen is just buying into fear. We've all been through plenty of hard times and survived, mostly becoming stronger in the process. How can we not have confidence that we'll be able to see ourselves through whatever the universe dishes out?
    Fear gives this reality more credit than it deserves.

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    Quote Posted by Ted (here)
    Quote Now, we have another opportunity – to decide how we are going to face the fear of potential events the last half of 2015.

    We can choose – retreat or connection.

    It only takes Enough Good People.
    I just refuse to worry about it. If something happens, like everything else, I'll take it as it comes.
    Fretting about something which may or may not happen is just buying into fear. We've all been through plenty of hard times and survived, mostly becoming stronger in the process. How can we not have confidence that we'll be able to see ourselves through whatever the universe dishes out?
    Fear gives this reality more credit than it deserves.
    I believe fear might just be love turned inside out for a reason not to known and our institutions that stand today are a great example of what our realities reflect. So if we switched to a more love based reality it's going to be what we are at the core and everything will stand in its truth with no fear added into it which means no opposite effects of what love really is geometric symbols and this driving life force of love will take you to the next level.


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    Here's another aspect of this REALLY important topic — which (if I understand Hathor right! ) can be summarized as
    "Okay, so we all receive information. But THEN what do we do? Do we freeze in fear, or do we get proactive? And if we choose to be proactive, how can we network to be really effective, and create synergy with Enough Good People?"
    How we respond PERSONALLY to potentially alarming news also defines us. (I posted this yesterday, by the way — do read: A premonition — that "I would die today")

    Let's imagine someone is informed by doctors that they have a life-threatening illness. Some of you reading this may have experienced this personally. The choices are...
    • Become afraid, disempowered, buy into the fear, transfer one's sovereign authority to others (i.e. the doctors, who one may believe must "know best"), and — maybe — die soon after.
    • Do NOT be afraid, believing nothing one is told, but research all the facts for oneself, seeking alternative opinions and views. Orthodox medicine could EASILY be wrong.
    • Regard the situation as a personal challenge: one will NOT become disempowered.
    • Regard it as a gift of a learning opportunity: to transcend the entire situation, regard it as a blessing, and, maybe, transform one's entire life.


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    Here's the paradox in all this, and I'll illustrate it with a real example.

    Back in 2009-10, there was a real scare about Swine Flu (H5N1). Jane Burgermeister (who I interviewed), and many others, blew the whistle loudly.

    There was no 1918-style global pandemic, as we're all aware. But I know personally a bunch of very able people who worked behind the scenes on a spiritual level to make sure the threat didn't materialize. And if I knew one such group, there were probably a hundred other groups doing similar work.

    When enough of those Good People get to work (and I think they often do!), they do NOT trumpet what they're doing, and attract little or no attention to themselves. They just very quietly and competently do their job.

    Some of those Good People do need to be supported in being kept well aware of current scenarios and plans (and those are real, as George Green's train sometimes is). Then they focus on the issues, and do their very quiet but powerful thing.

    The problem is always (for myself and thousands of others, including many reading this who are also trying to raise awareness) that one's addressing an unknown, 'mixed-ability' audience.

    By that, I mean no disrespect: I'm referring to the plain fact that people will respond (or react) to information in widely differing individual ways. Some will have nightmares, some will panic, some will become disempowered by anxiety: but others will take action — in an equally wide variety of possible ways.

    That action can include quiet, invisible action, which can change the world around us in ways that are real but just as invisible. In my strong personal opinion, that's we want Enough Good People to be doing.

    I've been a memberof one such group that engaged in "spiritual warfare" on the astral..I posted about it once before..so, yes, there are groups who do "engage the enemy", or work invisibly. On my own, usually when something particularly awful has happened, I do a "shield of light" visualization for the planet. I usually visualize leaving earth in a merkabah..turning around and looking at the planet..and just BLASTING it with light. imagine "force lightning"..but with light, not darkness.

    I wish I could connect with like-minded people in my area to start a group of my own..but I find it hard to trust people nowadays..

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