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    These prophecies were written down in 1935 and ending at "Twenty centuries plus the savior's age" (which many interpret as being 2033), so here they are after a short intro on the book history:

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    Pier Carpi

    We remember the impact produced by the book's publication by Pier Carpi, "The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII." The book was published in Rome by the "Mediterranean Editions" in 1976 and then, almost immediately, again in French by Jean-Claude Lattes / Williams-Alto. This was to generate some controversy in spiritualist circles and intrigued at the highest point many commentators of prophetic texts. If one believes Jacques Duchaussoy, “... what this author has condensed in his book ‘The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII’ must have provoked terrifying or terrified reactions in high places because in the weeks that followed the French publication of the book, it disappeared from any bookseller and the editor replied ‘sold out’”

    The fact is that the interest, with respect to these papal prophecies -- in any form whatsoever, fell rapidly. It was not until the fall of 1978, the strange conclave that placed John Paul I on the throne of Peter, and the sudden death of the new Pontiff, that we remember the revelations of Pier Carpi and we rediscovered his book. Curiously, it had reappeared in paperback ('J’ai Lu' A353) a few months earlier, in March more precisely ...


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    "0 Italy who believed in the false freedom of 1870 and has never known freedom.
    Who has raised in your womb the ills of the time, born in the city of the first edict.

    You have had false kings, sons of non-kings, you do not know how to kill them while they kill you. Today your king, son of non-king, is the shadow of the mask which yells. In Monaco he will simulate peace, but he has shed blood in Spain.

    And the son of the beast is brother, father, master to him. The black pagan gods are exhumed and eagles and songs of death. There never was freedom, there is no freedom.

    He who believes opposing the false knowledge to faith, pride preterm to the divine, is not free. Today it’s these sons of that pride, enclosed within borders, who are trembling. And they are all enemies.


    And you new Czar, cursed by the little father, you shake the hand of the black dictator.

    Look at the sea, It will be red with blood.



    "United in the pride of victory, of revenge, caught in the net of expansion, you’ll separate from each other and you’ll crumble down in your society, nations.

    It is not privilege that can bring peace to the world, it is not invasion, it is not the separation of the blood, Sons of the demon of Luther. The states of the future were without of you, you've ignored them, you have trampled them. Slaves today, tomorrow enlightened masters.

    Danzig [Gdańsk], wound of Europe, scourge of the world.

    Dividing the world means to divide and injure, kill. The son of the Beast marches on, begotten in a year in secret.

    The docile slaves, eternal sons of God and the most Blessed Great Mother, suffer beyond the Ural Mountains.

    They die by the millions in silence, little will be revealed.

    The dead do not talk.

    The new Tsar [Stalin] kills the true sons of the little father. He sports the eyes of a wolf. But the wolves are at the border.

    Why the traveler with the eyes of steel does not speak, who knows, perhaps it’s been asked of him? Why is he fleeing in silence?

    On the Angels’ Land there was too much pride. The world is sure to smile. And the rich play with the puppies pretending to ignore that these are the three wolves of the world's three errors.


    "Great the races. False crowns are worn on large land, we give slave kings and chiefs to civil people in the name of the void created by evil.

    He who can act remains motionless, hoping to save himself, or take his share.

    In laboratories weapons are prepared, unknown to all. Italy is the forge. [Fermi Labs]

    Italy, who puts in fake marble what she does not have in her heart. Her men are statues without thoughts.

    The intended war. The war of all, without borders. The son of the Beast loosens the wild beasts.

    And Europe collapses, like a statue of mud.

    The sea kills under water. And the sky spits fire. Innocent people killed in houses.

    And where boots and nails arrive, the children of Israel know the torment. Sheep pens for their pain and subtle death.

    The torturers know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

    Always look for the perpetrators, even when you believe they are dead. Look for them wherever power survives on terror. Look for them in the houses of the ones who have been enriched with the war.

    Not for revenge, but to prevent them and their children to invade the world once more by hiding the word and the chief.

    We will say nothing of Italy, but her men are complicit.

    The son of the Beast holds the Great Weapon in his heart.


    "He who fell from the African sky and whose wing was struck and could act. It is why he was killed.

    His secret wife knows and holds the letters of betrayal. They will appear at her death and then the one who seems sheep is to appear wolf.

    Whoever lit three candles in the holy night, fled. Who knew?

    The new Tsar has betrayed, he thought he had lost. He killed his men before the nails trampled them. And by his cowardice millions fall. But his honored body will be removed from the sanctuary.

    The Angels’ Land cries and her leader will betray. Other letters one day to be known. When the secret of the son the Beast’s friend is discovered, who took off at night to the Angels’ Land. [Hess]

    The Celestial Land is divided, invaded. But there acts the greatest of all, it will be one day called father and give love to his great nation. He has three enemies, he will beat them one after the other.

    The first enemy, yellow, hit the sons of Luther, naked in the water. The second is on his land and has powerful friends.

    The third is the new Tsar, who ordered to kill him.


    "Europe is in bloom.

    France has two leaders, but great is the one of the desert [De Gaulle]. He owes a secret gratitude to the general of Spain [Franco].

    We fight, but from the mountains, red and white flowers climb down, Europe, these are your best sons, who one day will be betrayed.

    Because the leaders they believe they shot down will control again, always the same.

    They shot down the money puppets, not the money masters. And they will be seduced by the new Tsar, who defeated despite the betrayal, with his fierce red flame.

    The sons of Luther in Europe. War of weapons, wars of the passions. The youngs from the mountains have new flags, which the powerful will tear out through deceit. Beware the sons of Luther and the sons of the new Tsar. They want a world battered for the last meal. France, rise up the Cross of Lorraine. Europe, brandish your songs louder than the sound of the guns.

    The son the Beast has escaped three attacks. Not the fourth. He used them to kill who he hates. But for him it is the end. Locked in the den, tightly holding the other’s wife. On his death, the mystery.

    But beware of the man who emerged from the den at the end. It will take him a long time to die and the prepares the world other scourges. He knows the Beast’s real face.


    "You son of Luther, you will not see the end of the destruction. And your successor will commit more crimes than you, if possible. [FDR - Pearl Harbor / Truman - Hiroshima]

    The Great Weapon will explode in the Orient, leaving eternal wounds. This loose mark on the flesh of the world will no longer be erased.

    The Great Weapon, useless to the war, used for power. To frighten those who do not submit to slavery. But no weapon stops one who has faith.

    On the Celestial Land one fights for freedom. The little Tsar shudders at the explosion. He wants to stop a people in revolt, on the Celestial Land. He will not succeed.

    The traitor of the Land of Angels lost the maps. They will reappear one day. He killed to get them back.

    On Brahma’s Land an unarmed voice. It is the consciousness of the world, which will never die, even when his flesh is dead.

    The mask [Mussolini] will be hung upside down in the city of the edict. But nobody will ever know how he was killed. The order came from afar.

    The king who was not a king's son will not return to Italy. And even the man who said to be his son will be expelled. The night of revenge will be hard.

    0 Israel who returns to your land.


    "The trampled young nations explode, one fights and wins. On the far land of the Orient, one will fight for a long time and peace will be distant. And to the sons of Jeanne, the sons of Luther will be substituted. But all will be defeated.

    On the Celestial Land, a single winner, with thought, with the action, with speech. Through him, a new order of things will come to the world.

    The sons of Luther are fighting around the world.

    Israel resurfaces and triumphs. But Islam is no less great and the crescent is divided.

    The wrath of the enslavers rages closer now that the distant war is lost. The Great Weapons are all over the world and are the keys to fear.

    Europe is divided. A small wall a great shame.

    The little Tsar dies, killed out of sight, in his den. But his killers were already partly dead, the others will kill each others.

    Look in the waters of the Neva.

    Civilized Occident, trampled, heads in rows, enslaved peoples. You are persecuted Christians, the Mother of Silence does not die. Who lost the war, wins it today.

    On Jeanne’s Land, shots at the Cross of Lorraine [De Gaulle]. Not far away, the second Elisabeth witnesses the collapse of what the first one built. Today the sea is short and the force is farther away.

    The war is in man, now.

    Nuremberg the unfair. The assassins are absent. Some of them in the seats of the judges.

    This shadow spreads far.


    "Men and gun shots. In Europe Heads of states and opponents. Someone will fall.

    Seven widows are ready at the altar, they expect the spouses.

    South of Luther unrest, weapons and nations screaming. The son of the Sun will go away several times. But here Mammon commands and God is only in words.

    The man with no hair, the farmer, smiled to the Orient. But his smile is a grin, because many suffer and die because of him. He befell the giant, but he will remain small. [Khrushchev]

    A family of dictators takes power in the land of the son of Luther. It will shed blood. Then Noah will begin to build the ultimate Arch. But she will not know the waters, thanks to the word of he who we do not know but who scares the powerful when he comes down the mountain.

    The President will fall, fall will his brother. Between them the corpse of the innocent star. [Marylin]

    There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her to the altar on the island. [Jackie + Onassis, Scorpio island]

    Their secrets are in weapons, in crime. And those are the secrets of the one who was not at Nuremberg.

    Three will shoot the president. The third one will be among the three who will hit the second.

    Luther will die and that will be good. Behind him, the shadow of whom has already killed. His voice was lying.

    The world knows no flowers.


    "The two red leaders meet, on behalf of humanity.

    On the Celestial Land there is the voice of the one who loves the world and speak for the weak.

    The little man uses force, he kills the spring [Prague]. And those who follow him always will.

    We speak of false peace, but the weapons will always be hidden.

    Men will fly in the sky, and men will get enthusiastic. They should tremble, because it is evil that conquered the skies to strike the earth.

    God has fled, they say. God is dead. He hid himself in the heart of youth. And he will return to vanquish, when cities and lands will burn themselves, to give back value to life. It will come from the earth to destroy the concrete.

    Israel who suffers and struggles, no less than that which gives you the attack and knows not how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone pushes you to fight by keeping hidden. Here the fate of the world is being decided.

    And in the palace where the States embrace, the fugitive from the den is alive and well.

    From the palace, hatred for Israel. And it will be a sign of ruin.


    Man who has climbed to the moon, look at yourself now that you possess it, but reflected in a mud that’s apparent.

    Clashes between two youths. The silent one will defeat and time is on faith’s side.

    Around the shuddering world, winds hot and cold, social storms. Blood under Luther, blood on the usurped Catholic land, in neighboring countries.


    "Great Flash in the Orient. You will not hear the thunder, it too will be unexpected.

    This will happen when in the Orient a leader will die and in the West, a leader will be killed. South of Luther.

    Refuse the assassins who will turn themselves in, refuse those who will be presented. The murderers are in Europe. They want the Mediterranean Sea. Then there will be the murder with no assassin.

    The time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the red and black cross, unbeknownst to all, daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg.

    She hatched the crime against herself. There are those who renounce life, for the love of evil.

    The earth will approach a massacre. One will die for all and he was the best.

    This is not the time for a king, it has never been.

    Since Frederick's death, each king is an usurper. Let the king go, remains the people.

    Europe is thirsty, she will get blood in the streets. But also large processions and the Virgin, happy, will come down to earth. You will not see her in the cave, but in a heart that will revive. From the darkness, she will bring the word that everyone will understand.

    It is the letters’ time.


    "Alexandria is the land of the Council of the world and here are gathering those who believe in man.

    Christ is man because God. Getting ready for the great struggle of spirit against the one who denies it.

    You, Marcus, you won’t be able to do anything from afar and you won’t know how to divide, your knife is light but too slender. The light from the peace meeting is reflected, recognizes it, shreds it to pieces.

    Israel in these days finds a new land around the city with golden roofs. It is time to wash the blood of your children. Israel rushes into the city and saves it. Finally, the star has six points.

    The lone man on the banks of the Neva speaks to the world and kills himself. God will have mercy on him, who created him for this moment. His words will be collected, they will be rosary.

    And others near the Neva will kill. Today, intact out of the river, finally, the never found body of the holy monk. And his secret sons, praying in the sepulcher, will count themselves. They will look toward the city of golden roofs and their prophet, dead in the Neva, the final word on his lips, will be heard wherever the flag is red


    "At the azure Orient, a new sun, on the antique and azure earth will be discovered the tomb of the first emperor chosen from the humble. Chants will rise and people celebrating, celebration of poverty and joy, will march to the slave lands to free them with love. On the river, many will die but the sentinels of a nearing Day will be eternal.

    Man of Boston, nephew of the poet, thanks to you and your dream of derision, the terrible Weapon is harmless. And energy will heal ailments.

    At night, the great removal. The two men who thought themselves masters of the world, brought before the tribunal on the largest square in the world, before men of the earth and pursued by those who have rebelled. Scientists condemned by them to slavery through their power, to put their talents at the service of death, will be the accusers.

    Then will be the turn of the persecuted. Terrible will be the conviction and Man will find himself in the embrace between science and faith.

    The proceedings of the trial will be the poem of the people, and the lyrics are sweet to the lowly, terrible for the arrogant powers.

    The dispatched armies stopped at the boundaries of the square and the men-soldiers turned their weapons around. Weapons are defeated that day. Those of the earth, those of the sky.


    "From the South against Luther and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who sat on the seat of the judges.

    She, who was the slave colony of copper and salt, imposes her popular command.

    And a saint arrives in the White City to tell high, to tell truth. Behind him, bare-chested, the humble who will bring justice to the land of Luther, yesterday torn.

    The western lands that had rebelled, their men locked in concrete among the palm trees, had fought.

    Luther had two leaders, enemies and divided. On the other side of the small river, the command of the people and the order to yield to the people who today have the power of speech, now that the weapons are dead.

    Luther will experience struggles, reconciliations, and then one voice only, the highest, the one already uttered. And under the statue of the first sainte, the charter of love will be signed.

    On the lakes, he who hates is waiting, wants to kill and dares not.

    Today only ends Nuremberg.

    But beware of the face that’s smiling, and comes from the South, further south than all. His heart was always in the North, he came back to take it back with the black brothers.

    There is still fear, but in peace, all the men from upper and lower Luther will seek someone. And the day a woman will swear on the restored Bible will be day of peace.


    "Luther's wife will be found in the livid dawn at the foot of the wall that divided Berlin.

    Nobody knows how she arrived, no one will know how she was killed.

    There will be signs on her body and he who will try to speak will be killed in turn, with the same signs.

    When the world recognize this face, we say that her life was devoted to vice.

    She had left office for the love of Christ, the humble. And instead she was killed by the defect.

    Many countries will be shaken, people will revolt. And only one will succeed in speaking, just in time before dying. He will say the names of who killed, it will reveal their secret signs. And the world will rise up against the game of the powerful, secret fraternity of powerful, who prepared the enslavement of peoples.

    The few honest leaders will come together, the culprits will be overthrown.

    The woman who left the power for Christ will be sanctified. And to build her a monument, the wall will be shot down, united Europe to Europe.

    How much blood to justice. But only blood can water the new flowers.

    Peace to you, Patricia, daughter of God.


    "Through seven, worldwide from Greece, after the vision. And the new words will conquer the earth.

    Repeated by Christ. Repeated for his new children. This will be the moment of awakening and great songs.

    Parchment rolls will be found in the Azores and talk about ancient civilizations that will teach men of ancient things unknown to them. Death will be distant and pain small.

    Things of the earth, through the rolls, will speak of heavenly things to men.

    Ever growing in numbers, signs. The lights in the sky will be red, blue, green, fast. They will increase.

    Someone comes from afar, wants to meet men of the earth.

    There has already been meetings. But who has really seen kept silent.

    If a star goes out, it is already dead. But the light that approaches is someone who is dead and who is returning.

    In the maps of the underground iron tunnel of Wherner, still secret, the answer, uncovered.

    The time is not the one we know, we have brothers living, brothers dead.

    We are ourselves, time troubles us.

    Welcome Arthur, child of the past. You will be the proof. And you will meet the Father of the Mother.


    "This is the time of the two emperors.

    And the Mother does not have a Father, because many want to be her father. And two will be supported by the opponents.

    The screams and the barriers of dispute arise, but already the Beast is getting out of the water.

    And famine stop armies.

    The men count themselves dying.

    And after the famine,the plague.

    God has unleashed the war of nature to prevent the war of men.

    The first emperor dies of starvation, imprisoned in the tower of his dreams.

    The second emperor in the desert, attacked by the animals of the plague, unknown.

    The daughter of Cain has gone up North, to preach. Lust in the new Babylon, for seven years.

    The seventh year falls the seventh veil of Salome, but there is no Emperor, there is no one that will lift the sword and cut the neck of John.

    The time is near."

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    Many of the above seem to overlap and are not necessarily in a time sequence, just in chapters' sequence in Pier Carpi's book.

    In any case, interesting "visions" and views from a pope to be.


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    [whatchamacallit] = most probable interpretation

    Sons of Jeanne = French

    Sons of Luther = Americans

    Angels’ Land = Great Britain

    Celestial Land = China

    Brahma’s Land = India

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    PS: The above visions, prophecies and symbolic messages may make more sense to some when contrasted with The Ruiner's Earth history and data...

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    Quote On Brahma’s Land an unarmed voice. It is the consciousness of the world, which will never die, even when his flesh is dead.
    An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, be the change you want to see in the world.

    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    This is not the time for a king, it has never been.

    Since Frederick's death, each king is an usurper. Let the king go, remains the people.
    For those following The Ruiner's blog, there is that rumor that one of Anu's sons wanted to be king of this sector of space but dad said "Nope!"

    Now, this has a strange resonance with another "Plan" that's been known for a while:

    Quote The Elders of Zion vowed to harass the nations with corruption and strife until they accepted their "Superstate" (i.e. world government tyranny.)

    "The recognition of our despot may also come ...when the peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence - a matter which we shall arrange for - of their rulers, will clamour: "Away with them and give us one king over all the earth who will unite us and annihilate the causes of disorders - frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts - who will give us peace and quiet which we cannot find under our rulers and representatives." (H. Makow's emphasis, Protocols of Zion, 10-18)
    Of course, this quote above has another strange resonance with that other template: The Orion Model!
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    The Great Weapon will explode in the Orient, leaving eternal wounds. This loose mark on the flesh of the world will no longer be erased.

    The Great Weapon, useless to the war, used for power. To frighten those who do not submit to slavery. But no weapon stops one who has faith.


    Atomic Message


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    70 years after the US dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the real reasons behind the decision still divide historians. Recently declassified documents from the time suggest the nuclear strikes may have been performed not out of military necessity but to intimidate the USSR. RTD’s Peter Scott travels to the two Japanese cities that were devastated by the attacks, where he visits a victims' memorial and meets nuclear blast survivors still haunted by their memories. He also interviews President Truman’s grandson, Clifton Truman Daniel, on the subject of his grandfather’s controversial legacy.

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    The following disclosure seems to fit this one:

    Quote It is the letters’ time.
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    'Cabinet of Shame': Italian govt declassifies documents related to Nazi & fascist war crimes


    Published time: 17 Feb, 2016 12:02


    A picture taken in September 1937, in Munich, shows German Chancellor Adolf Hitler (R) riding in a car with Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. © SNEP / AFP

    The Italian government has released documents outlining fascist and Nazi war crimes committed in the country during World War II. Some of the papers are part of a “cabinet of shame” which concealed the crimes for decades.

    Declassified by a parliamentary commission, the papers detail war crimes ranging from anti-Jewish persecution to massacres of civilians. In total, the crimes resulted in 15,000 deaths.

    They include 695 files from the so-called “cabinet of shame,” which for decades hid away original documents of war crimes inside a storeroom of the military prosecutor's headquarters, bearing the stamp “provisionally archived.” Originally discovered in 1994, the cabinet kept files from the secret services, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Interior Ministry, and other offices.

    Among the gruesome crimes kept in the cabinet was the SS killing of about 560 people, including dozens of children, in the Tuscan village of Sant'Anna di Stazzema. A British intelligence report titled 'Atrocities in Italy' was also found which outlined investigative findings that British officers handed to Italian prosecutors after World War II to help them put war criminals on trial.

    The speaker of the Chamber of Deputies, Laura Boldrini, said the move is an important step in Italy's path towards transparency.

    "A truly democratic country should not be afraid of its past," she said, as quoted by the International Business Times.

    Renzo Gattegna, president of the Union of Italian Jewish Communities, hailed the opening of the cabinet as a “historic breakthrough,” according to the Times of Israel.

    It “fills a serious gap and announces the start of a new season of awareness about the crimes and responsibilities of fascism and Nazism in Italy,” Gattegna said.

    The war crime documents were uploaded as a 13,000-page database on the website of parliament's Chamber of Deputies on Tuesday. Users can browse the online index and request digital copies of specific documents.

    The disclosure comes after a parliamentary investigation launched in 2003 found that the documents were not deliberately hidden, but rather forgotten. However, a separate report claimed they were intentionally buried in order to avoid damaging relations with Germany.
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    "Since Frederick's death, each king is an usurper. Let the king go, remains the people." This might be a reference to King Frederick's of Denmark, as I believe the first male child to be born is always named either Christian or Frederick, and if it was also the first born child then it would be also the first to become the monarch of Denmark.
    Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark is married to Mary Donaldson, and is next in line to the thrown.

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    Queen Margrethe II in May 2012
    Reign 14 January 1972 – present
    Predecessor Frederick IX
    Heir apparent Crown Prince Frederick
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    I think the king, referred to, to have been the "last real king" is "Frederick the Great"

    The statement also goes right in the face and teeth of the "divine endorsement" of royalties, as it were...
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    Khazaria 2.0? The Planned Jewish Migration Out of Israel – to Ukraine

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    Genetic research showing that eastern European Jews do indeed originate from the historical region of Khazaria in Central Asia and not Palestine has been officially accepted, which Jim Wald discusses below. Curiously, a mere month before this news was released in 2014, the western-backed coup in Ukraine erupted. Just a coincidence? As our first author JC Collins observes, the war in Ukraine was intended to clear the Russians out of the Donbas and Crimea.

    And Khazakhstan, a large country some distance to the east of Ukraine (see map), has been developing relations with Israel since the collapse of the Soviet Union around 1990, relations on a number of key fronts. Astana, its capital located in the far north-east of the country, has undergone a construction boom with key monuments having a strongly Masonic character.

    As Collins observes, strange times on the new world frontier.

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    ER ed.: this article was first published on May 30, 2016

    The Planned Jewish Migration Out of Israel

    JC COLLINS

    On March 16, 2014 the Times of Israel published a little discussed pieced titled Leaked Report: Israel Acknowledges Jews in Fact Khazars; Secret Plan for Reverse Migration to Ukraine. Just four weeks before this explosive publication, on February 18, 2014, the official and democratic government ofUkraine was ousted and a Jewish-supported new interim government was appointed. Both of these occurrences can be connected to the larger construction of a new world capital in Kazakhstan called Astana (see image).


    The Times of Israel piece is important because, for the first time, there is a semi-official pronouncement of the Khazarian heritage of Eastern European Jews who migrated to the land of Palestine and established the nation of Israel.

    This idea was first promoted by the Hungarian historian Arthur Koestler in his 1976 book titled The Thirteenth Tribe. Koestler suffered heavy criticism and his book was the target of a massive propaganda campaign meant to discredit his work. The fact that an official Jewish publication is now discussing a “secret report” promoting the same conclusion should not go unnoticed by the large contingent of online scholars and historians.

    The Khazars were a Mongol-Tatar people (see map below) who converted to Judaism en masse during a tumultuous time in Eastern European history. Surrounded on both sides by the warring religions – Christianity and Islam, the Khazar Empire choose the path of Judaic conversation as a means of stemming off invasion from either of its larger neighbors.

    In the 11th Century, the Russian Empire conquered Khazaria and destroyed any possibility of a larger establishment of a Khazarian/Jewish homeland in Eastern Europe. Centuries later, the Khazarian remnants gained a level of revenge by orchestrating the Bolshevik Revolution and murdering the Russian monarch family the Romanovs.

    It is probable, but not easily proven, that after Lenin’s death and the rise of Stalin, the Soviet Union once again came under control of the ethnic Russians. This lasted until the fall of the Berlin Wall and the complete collapse of the USSR, at which time the foreign encouraged oligarchs who contributed to the economic downfall of the Union established a de facto business and industrial dictatorship over what remained.



    Ironically, the nation of Israel established diplomatic ties with the former Soviet Union member state of Kazakhstan in 1991, along with others, such as Georgia. The relationship between Israel and Kazakhstan has grown at a steady pace and includes coordination along political, trade, economic, defense, and intelligence lines.

    Since the rise of Vladimir Putin in Russia and the arrest and expulsion of the oligarchs, there has been an exodus of ethnic Russians from Kazakhstan back to the motherland. This migration has included Russian doctors, teachers, scientists, and other prominent members of society. As such, Israel has been providing Kazakhstan with an increase in Jewish expertise in those same areas as relations tighten even further.

    In addition, 25% of Israel’s oil comes from Kazakhstan. This is set to grow substantially in the coming years as Israel finds itself further isolated diplomatically and will be forced to give up the West Bank and possibly the Gaza Strip in order to appease international pressure. Settlers from these areas have already begun to migrate into Kazakhstan, but not at the anticipated pace of migration into Eastern Ukraine.

    As strained relations between Russia and Kazakhstan increase, and military bases on both sides of the border are hardened, the battle for control of Eastern Ukraine quietly continues without much coverage in the Western media. This war is meant to remove the ethnic and Russian speaking majority from the east of the country – a region which made up a large section of the Khazar Empire a thousand years before.

    When the map of ancient Khazar is superimposed over a modern map of Eastern Europe, we can clearly see the importance of Ukraine and Crimea, as well as other areas of past tension and war, such as Georgia.


    Considering the inevitability of a Palestinian state, the need to resettle the settlers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip to Ukraine is becoming an all-important issue. This migration was originally intended to load Crimea with Jewish migrants, but the Russian move to annex Crimea through official diplomatic means has caused a readjustment of strategies.

    The pressure building along Russia’s borders from NATO and Western Jewish financiers, such as George Soros, is intent on establishing a new Khazaria which will be larger than the original and will incorporate the nation of Kazakhstan. The remnants of the old Khazaria are working towards this objective from within the nations of Israel, Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, and Kazakhstan.

    A new capital called Astana was established within Kazakhstan on December 10th, 1997. This capital is under construction and has contributed to a massive construction boom in the region. This new futuristic city is full of Masonic symbolism and New World Religion designs. Though it has relatively flown under the radar for many years, there is a surprisingly large amount of information available about the construction of Astana.

    It is looking obvious that both Russia and China are willing to accept the establishment of this new Khazaria in the heart of the Eurasian continent. The monetary objectives of all players on designing a new international financial framework is extremely telling of the more macro geopolitical and economic alignments taking place.

    The establishment of a one world system of governance, including political, economic, and religious, can be compared to herding cats. It would almost seem impossible if it weren’t for the fact that all cats were being directed down a very wide pathway which allows them to bump into one another and switch sides consistently as they rush to the final objective. Strange times on the new world frontier. – JC

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    Photo of PM Netanyahu with Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev 2016, copyright: GPO/Haim Zach

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    Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine

    JIM WALD

    Jerusalem and Zhitomir, 16 March/Adar II 14
    (Our Russian and Ukrainian correspondents Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass also contributed to this story, delayed due to the crisis over the Crimean referendum.)

    Fast-breaking Developments
    Followers of Middle Eastern affairs know two things: always expect the unexpected, and never write off Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who has more political lives than the proverbial cat.

    Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them – at least temporarily – to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled.

    A Warlike Turkic People—and a Mystery
    It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews.


    The Khazar Empire, from M. J-H. Schnitzler’s map of The Empire of Charlemagne and that of the Arabs, (Strasbourg, 1857)

    Arabs have long cited the Khazar hypothesis in attempts to deny a Jewish historical claim to the land of Israel. During the UN debate over Palestine Partition, Chaim Weizmann responded, sarcastically:
    “lt is very strange. All my life I have been a Jew, felt like a Jew, and I now learn that I am a Khazar.” In a more folksy vein, Prime Minister Golda Meir famously said:

    “Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars in Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak.”

    A warlike people: Khazar battle axe, c. 7th-9th centuries

    Contrarian Hungarian ex-communist and scientist Arthur Koestler brought the Khazar hypothesis to a wider audience with The Thirteenth Tribe (1976), in the hope that disproving a common Jewish “racial” identity would end antisemitism. Clearly, that hope has not been fulfilled. Most recently, left-wing Israeli historian Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People took Koestler’s thesis in a direction he had not intended, arguing that because Jews were a religious community descended from converts, they do not constitute a nation or need a state of their own. Scientists, however, dismissed the Khazar hypothesis because the genetic evidence did not add up. Until now. In 2012, Israeli researcher Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool. Sand declared himself vindicated, and progressive organs such as Haaretz and The Forward trumpeted the results.

    Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars. (Whether this would result in yet another proposal to revise the words to “Hatikvah” remains to be seen.) At first sight, this would seem to be the worst possible news, given the Prime Minister’s relentless insistence on the need for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish state” and the stagnation of the peace talks. But others have underestimated him at their peril. An aide quipped, when life hands you an etrog, you build a sukkah.

    Speaking off the record, he explained,
    “We first thought that admitting we are really Khazars was one way to get around Abbas’s insistence that no Jew can remain in a Palestinian state. Maybe we were grasping at straws. But when he refused to accept that, it forced us to think about more creative solutions. The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut [disengagement].
    “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical.”
    Speaking on deep background, a well-placed source in intelligence circles said:
    “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical. The press as usual exaggerates and sensationalizes; this is why we need military censorship.”
    Khazaria 2.0?
    All Jews who wish to return would be welcomed back without condition as citizens, the more so if they take part in the promised infusion of massive Israeli military assistance, including troops, equipment, and construction of new bases. If the initial transfer works, other West Bank settlers would be encouraged to relocate to Ukraine, as well. After Ukraine, bolstered by this support, reestablishes control over all its territory, the current Autonomous Republic of Crimea would once again become an autonomous Jewish domain. The small-scale successor to the medieval empire of Khazaria (as the peninsula, too, was once known) would be called, in Yiddish, Chazerai.


    the Khazar Empire, map of Europe in the Age of Charles the Great, from Karl von Spruner, _Historisch-geographischer Hand-Atlas_ (Gotha, 1854)
    “As you know,” the spokesman continued, “the Prime Minister has said time and again: we are a proud and ancient people whose history here goes back 4,000 years. The same is true of the Khazars: just back in Europe and not quite as long. But look at the map: the Khazars did not have to live within ‘Auschwitz borders.’”

    no “Auschwitz borders”: the great extent of the Khazar Empire (pink, at right) is readily apparent in this map of Europe circa 800, by Monin (Paris, 1841). Compare with Charlemagne’s empire (pink, at left)
    “As the Prime Minister has said, no one will tell Jews where they may or may not live on the historic territory of their existence as a sovereign people. He is willing to make painful sacrifices for peace, even if that means giving up part of our biblical homeland in Judea and Samaria. But then you have to expect us to exercise our historical rights somewhere else. We decided this will be on the shores of the Black Sea, where we were an autochthonous people for more than 2000 years. Even the great non-Zionist historian Simon Dubnow said we had the right to colonize Crimea. It’s in all the history books. You can look it up.”
    Old-New Land?


    Black Sea, showing Khazar presence in Crimea and coastal regions: Rigobert Bonne, Imperii Romani Distracta. Pars Orientalis, (Paris, 1780). Note Ukraine and Kiev at upper left. At right: Caspian Sea, also labeled, as was the custom, as the Khazar Sea
    “We’d like to think of it as sort of a homeland-away-from-home,” added the anonymous intelligence source. “Or the original one,” he said with a wink. “After all, Herzl wrote about the Old-New Land, didn’t he? And the transition shouldn’t be too difficult for the settlers because, you know, they’ll still get to feel as if they are pioneers: experience danger, construct new housing, carry weapons. The women can continue to wear scarves on their heads, and the food won’t be very different from what they already eat.”
    In retrospect, we should have seen this coming, said a venerable State Department Arabist, ticking off the signs on his fingers: a little-noticed report that Russia was cracking down on Israeli smuggling of Khazar artifacts, the decisions of both Spain and Portugal to give citizenship to descendants of their expelled Jews, as well as evidence that former IDF soldiers were already leading militias in support of the Ukrainian government. And now, also maybe the possibility that the missing Malaysian jet was diverted to Central Asia.

    A veteran Middle East journalist said:
    “It’s problematic, but in a perverse way, brilliant. In one fell swoop, Bibi has managed to confound friend and foe alike. He’s put the ball back in the Palestinians’ court and relieved the pressure from the Americans without actually making any real concessions. Meanwhile, by lining up with the Syrian rebels and Ukraine, as well as Georgia and Azerbaijan, he compensates for the loss of the Turkish alliance and puts pressure on both Assad and Iran. And the new Cypriot-Israeli gas deal props up Ukraine and weakens the economic leverage of both the Russians and the Gulf oil states. Just brilliant.”
    Reactions from around the world
    Given the confluence of the weekend and the Purim and Saint Patrick’s Day holidays, reporters scrambled to get responses. Reactions from around the world trickled in.

    • Members of the YESHA Council of settlers, some of them evidently the worse for wear after too much festival slivovitz, were caught completely off-guard. Always wary of Netanyahu, whom they regard as a slick opportunist rather than reliable ideological ally, they refused to comment until they had further assessed the situation.

    Most of the hastily offered reactions fell into the predictable categories.

    • Right-wing antisemitic groups pounced on the story as vindication of their conspiracy theories, claiming that this was the culmination of the Jews’ centuries-old plan to avenge the defeat of Khazaria by the Russians in the Middle Ages, a reprise of Israel’s support for Georgia in 2008. “Jews have memories as long as their noses,” one declared.

    • From Ramallah, a Fatah spokesman said the offer was a start but did not go nearly far enough toward satisfying Palestinian demands. Holding up an image of a Khazar warrior from an archaeological artifact, he explained:
    There is a continuum of conquest and cruelty. It’s very simple, genetics does not lie. We see the results today: the Zionist regime and brutal Occupation Forces are descended from warlike barbarians. Palestinians are descended from peaceful pastoralists, in fact, from the ancient Israelites that you have falsely claimed as your ancestors. By the way, it is not true, however, that your ancestors ever had a temple in Jerusalem.

    Then: Khazarian barbarian. Warrior with prisoner, image from archaeological object.
    [source: Wikimedia Commons]

    • The famously reliable unofficial intelligence website DAFTKAfile admitted:
    Boy, are our faces red. We were caught flat-footed and thought that the return to Spain and Portugal was the real story. Obviously, that was an impeccably planned and clever feint to distract attention from the coming revolution in Ukraine. Nicely played, Mossad.
    • Prolific blogger Richard Sliverstein, whose knowledge of Jewish culture and uncanny ability to ferret out military secrets regularly provoke astonishment even among his critics, commented:
    Frankly, I’m surprised that my Mossad sources did not get this story to me first. But I’ve been up against a deadline for an essay on the kabbalistic significance of sesame seeds, the main ingredient in hummus, so I haven’t caught up on my email. But, do I feel vindicated? Well, yes, but it’s scant satisfaction. I’ve been saying for years that the Jews are descended from Mongol-Tatar Khazars, but it has barely made a dent in the propaganda armor of these Zionist hasbaroid dolts.
    • An official of a leading human-rights NGO said:
    Evacuating illegal settlements must be a part of any peace deal, but first forcing settlers to leave Palestine and then resettling them in Ukraine may be a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. We’ll see what the ICC has to say about this. And if they think they can be even more trigger-happy in Ukraine than the West Bank, they have another think coming.
    • Ultra-Ultra-Orthodox spokesman Menuchem Yontef (formerly of Inowraclaw) welcomed the news:
    We reject the Zionist state, which is illegitimate until Mashiach comes. We don’t care where we live as long as we can study the Torah and obey its commandments in full. However, we refuse to serve in the military there as well as here. And—we also want subsidies. That is G-d’s will.
    • The spokeswoman for a delegation of Episcopalian peace activists, reached after the Christ at the Checkpoint conference in Bethlehem, said, with tears in her eyes:
    We applaud this consistency of principle. If only all Jews would think like Menuchem Yontef—in fact, I’d like to call them “Menuchem Yontef Jews”: “M. Y. Jews,” for short—then antisemitism would disappear and members of all three Abrahamic faiths would again live together peacefully here as they did before the advent of Zionism. The nation-state is a relic of the nineteenth century, which has caused untold suffering. The most urgent task for world peace is the immediate creation of a free and sovereign Palestine.
    • Noted academic and theorist Judith Buntler mused:
    It may seem like a paradox to establish alterity or ‘interruption’ at the heart of ethical relations. But to know that we have first to consider what such terms mean. One might argue that the distinctive trait of Khazarian identity is that it is interrupted by alterity, that the relation to the gentile defines not only its diasporic situation, but one of its most fundamental ethical relations. Although such a statement may well be true (meaning that it belongs to a set of statements that are true), it manages to reserve alterity as a predicate of a prior subject. The relation to alterity becomes one predicate of ‘being Khazarian.’ It is quite another thing to understand that very relationship as challenging the idea of ‘Khazarian’ as a static sort of being, one that is adequately described as a subject. . . . coexistence projects can only begin with the dismantling of political Zionism.
    • Anti-Israel BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) leader Ali Abubinomial put it more simply. Pounding his desk, he fumed, “So, Israel and Khazaria? This is what the Zionists mean by a ‘two-state solution’?! Do the math! Has no one read my book?”

    • Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) called an emergency meeting to establish ties with the Pecheneg Liberation Organization (PLO), saying, “Pechenegs should not pay the price for European antisemitism.” The new solidarity group, “Students for Pechenegs in Ukraine” (SPUK), proclaimed as its motto: “From the Black to the Caspian Sea, We’re Gonna Find Somebody to Free!”

    • For his part, peace activist and former East Jerusalem administrator Myron Benvenuti responded with equanimity:
    “I’ve got nothing to worry about: I’m Sephardic and my family has lived here for centuries. Anyway, if I have to go somewhere else, it’s going to be Spain, not Ukraine: more sunshine, less gunfire.”
    The consensus of the broad majority of “Middle Israel,” which feels that Netanyahu is not doing enough for peace but also questions the sincerity of the Palestinians, is skeptical and despairing. One woman said, in frustration: We all long for an agreement but just cannot see how to achieve it. For now, all we can see is this Chazerai.

    * * *

    Update March 17:
    Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.

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    ... for the longest time, I couldn't place a "City with golden roofs" anywhere... until yesterday when I tried the French version: "La Cité aux Toits d'Or" which yields (Yandex) two main contender:

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    As a side note, since POM was recommened:

    I used to read Philosophy of Metrics (JC Collins) quite regularly.

    Some time between 7 Nov 2020 and 29 Jan 2021, the site went down, and never came back. It looks like the domain name is now for sale.

    This is a link to last version of the working site in the way back machine from 7 Nov 2020

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201107...ofmetrics.com/

    JC Collins was a thoughtful, well-researched writer. I don't know what happened to him, why the site closed and if, or where, he is still writing.

    The Geo-Political articles were rich.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200924.../geopolitical/

    I downloaded his paper on re-engineering the dollar and often return to it. It was helpful for understanding the dynamics.

    At the time I saved the l link to that paper (the Q call to archive is something I truly listened to, and I'm glad I did, and do archive) I wondered if it could be found in the wayback? It can.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190403...the-Dollar.pdf

    I don't remember the names to his other e-papers. But if anyone can remember the names, maybe those can be found, too?

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    Always look for the perpetrators, even when you believe they are dead. Look for them wherever power survives on terror. Look for them in the houses of the ones who have been enriched with the war.

    Not for revenge, but to prevent them and their children to invade the world once more by hiding the word and the chief.




    With mention of 'the daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg' makes me wonder.


    The time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the red and black cross, unbeknownst to all, daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg.

    She hatched the crime against herself. There are those who renounce life, for the love of evil.

    The earth will approach a massacre. One will die for all and he was the best.

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    At night, the great removal. The two men who thought themselves masters of the world, brought before the tribunal on the largest square in the world, before men of the earth and pursued by those who have rebelled. Scientists condemned by them to slavery through their power, to put their talents at the service of death, will be the accusers.

    Then will be the turn of the persecuted. Terrible will be the conviction and Man will find himself in the embrace between science and faith.

    The proceedings of the trial will be the poem of the people, and the lyrics are sweet to the lowly, terrible for the arrogant powers.

    The dispatched armies stopped at the boundaries of the square and the men-soldiers turned their weapons around. Weapons are defeated that day. Those of the earth, those of the sky.

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